pic rel compares sprinting against marathoning
personally i dont think either is an option, because as a fat frick my joints will collapse against my weight if i add any more stress so i'll ask:
so you like HIIT or LISS for fat loss?
whats a low impact HIIT or LISS that you favor?
which has a lower risk of giving me an heart attack?
liss better for fat loss, hiit burns more calories, but a larger portion of those calories come from carbs and glycogen, not fat. Liss optimizes fat loss.
elliptical or bike are the best for fat people.
how do we know where the calories come from?
does liss take energy from fat?
yes but exercise should be done too
you means squats and deads as hiit?
beacuse during low intensity, aerobic exercise, your body can take all the nececary calories from burning its fat storage, whilst during high intensity anaerobic exercize, your body cannot burn enough calories from fat to give you all the energy you need, so it will burn the sugars stored in your muscles and blood
isn't it possible that during liss muscle takes his own glucose, then it takes more from blood, which then takes it from liver?
your muscles still use glucose yes, but the glucose is made from fat, and in enough quantities as to satiate the muscles
Does this really make a difference over a long time scale? If genetic clones both ate maintenance and one did daily HIIT while the other did LISS, enough to burn say 500 kcal each, are you saying the LISS clone would have less body fat after a month, year, etc.?
Ultimately your body has to replace glycogen burned during exercise, and it will use a combination of food and stored fat to do that. If your glycogen stores are nearly full because you did low intensity exercise and burned mainly fat, then excess calories will be made into fat.
you need to ignore the glycogen thingy even though its correct. I can tell you by personal experience that most people, including athletic ones wont be able to do hiit for a prolonged time especially in a caloric deficit, its taxing af on your cns. liss on the other hand can be done every single day even on lift days, also easier on the joints. that aspect of liss vs hiit is more important when it comes to muscle loss in my opinion.
Fork putdowns are the best cardio for fatloss.
You barealy burn any calories from physical activity, spending all that energy on controlling your diet will yield much better results.
this is a moronic take, i can tell you've never done a cut in your life
a 15 mins session of cardio can be a life saver of your cut and mental willpower
anyway it depends on the time you have, if you don't have a lot I do stair master, the best overall in my opinion. I don't do hiit, just liss, but more like medium intensity
If I have time I do stair master + around 45 of walking on an incline, and if i ate too much 10 to 15 mins of bike afterward
This is such a lie. Do you do any intense exercise?
this tbh
lost 50 lbs just eating less, staying on my bed all day
>You barealy burn any calories from physical activity
you can burn like 300 calories on 15 minutes on an indoor bike, easily taking you to a deficit
high volume squats and deads
Walk 10 km every day also improve your diet also kettlebells
the best cardio for fat loss is the one you can consistently convince yourself to do on a regular basis. If you don't enjoy your cardio you aren't likely to keep doing it.
fork putdowns work best for me
as has been explained numerous times, cardio is basically irrelevant for fat loss
you can do an hour of LISS and that will burn 400-600 calories, depending on the specifics
an hour of HIIT, for those few who can manage it, might go up to 1000cals or so.
meanwhile, you can eat a medium dominoes pizza and get ~4000 calories, aka pretty much an entire weeks worth of liss cardio, and then some
a single donut can easily overpower an entire hour on the treadmill.
so, if you want to lose fat, stop fricking eating.
and, by all means, do cardio. its good for your heart, its good for your conditioning. after all, what's the point of being jacked if you can't frick the shit out of young tinderbawds?
just understand that trying to lose fat by doing cardio is like trying to stop a car by sticking your hand out the window and using it as an airbrake.
Dude this is such an extreme example. Why do you morons go from one end to the other
Combine exercise and diet and you'll be good
its not an extreme example, in fact its not an example at all
its a simple illustration of the very basic fact that you can NEVER out-cardio your diet.
you cardio for the fitness/health gains, not for fat loss
if you want to lose fat, you eat less
you also cardio for fat loss. obviously. you cant totally outrun a bad diet, but all the calories burnt add up.
so calorie deficit + cardio will give you faster and better results.
>you also cardio for fat loss
no, that's 'tarded. just eat less.
doing an hour of liss 7 days a week just so you can burn an extra 400-600 cals per day is 'tarded
instead, what you should do is eat 400-600 fewer calories, and only do 20-30mins of cardio and only 3-4 times a week, for the health/conditioning
>you cant totally outrun a bad diet, but all the calories burnt add up.
no, you can't and yea, they do
but its still 'tarded
there's a finite number of hours in a day/week/month/year/your life
why waste so many of them walking on treadmill (/elliptic/rowing machine/whatever) when you can just eat less
there's also a limit to your body's ability to tolerate stress/impacts and to regenerate damage.
i spend about 2 hours a day in the gym, 4 times a week
roughly 30mins of that is cardio, 10mins walking warmup, 20mins on the elliptical after weights (elliptical to reduce the impact on my knees/ankles)
why stretch that to ~3 hours per day, just so i can burn a few extra cals
and ofc i have 0 inclination to go to the gym more than 4 times a week
so, when i want to cut, i don't waste more of my free time walking, i just eat less. and my cardio stays the same, because its there for my heart and my conditioning, not to allow me to eat more.
you should do what you can. if you got time, you can put in more.
30 minutes a day with higher intensity is probably enough for most people.
weight loss takes years. it'll all add up.
plus, you can walk anywhere. it doesnt have to be alone on a treadmill at the gym. you can walk with friends, family or gf.
>if you got time, you can put in more
yea, no thanks, i'd much rather spend those extra hours gaming/shitposting/watching movies or tv/reading/gooning/going out/whatever.
the only thing that would make me do more cardio is a cardiologist telling me i need it
which is not going to happen any time soon, but maybe when im older
>plus, you can walk anywhere. it doesnt have to be alone on a treadmill at the gym. you can walk with friends, family or gf.
yea, we're talking about doing cardio at the gym here, not walking around with friends/family for recreation
i have no problem with that, ofc.
ok we halfway agree
> you can do an hour of LISS and that will burn 400-600 calories,
More like 800, and that is probably an underestimate. only way you'd burn so few calories is if you were both skinny AND very unfit.
i used this:
https://www.calculator.net/calories-burned-calculator.html?activity=1&activity2=Walking%3A+fast&chour=&cmin=60&cweight=100&cweightunit=k&ctype=1&x=81&y=24
but anyways, this is splitting hairs
the point is, burning calories by cardio is about an order of magnitude to weak of an effect
That's because you set it to walking.
And a medium stuffed crust dominos pizza is 2099 calories, with a large being 2682.
https://corporate.dominos.co.uk/Media/Default/Corporate%20Responsibility/Food/C6%20Corporate%20Nutrition%20Brief%20v1.1%20(06_12_2022).pdf
So your numbers are way off. If you were doing an hour of cardio every day and eating a large domino's pizza and nothing else, you'd probably be losing weight. Possibly considerable weight.
>That's because you set it to walking.
well yea, that's liss. walking, fast.
>And a medium stuffed crust dominos pizza is 2099 calories, with a large being 2682.
yea, that's my bad, i confused the kJ number with the kCal number.
> If you were doing an hour of cardio every day and eating a large domino's pizza and nothing else, you'd probably be losing weight
if you actually did that for any appreciable length of time, you'd probably end up in the hospital. not exactly nutritious food, you'd be WAY off of any reasonable macros target, and doubt there's a lot of vitamins and shit in that goyslop.
my point was that adding a pizza to your weekly diet is enough to counteract a weeks worth of liss cardio, which more or less stands up, despite my fricking up the pizza calories calculation
2100 calories is 4-5 days worth of 1 hour on the treadmill
2700 is 7 days
LISS is anything you aren't doing in high intensity intervals, if it's an activity you can do for an hour (or really more than 5 minutes) at a consistent intensity then it's certainly not HIIT.
> if you actually did that for any appreciable length of time, you'd probably end up in the hospital. not exactly nutritious food
You'd probably be fine, but yes I wouldn't recommend anybody do that.
> my point was that adding a pizza to your weekly diet is enough to counteract a weeks worth of liss cardio, which more or less stands up
You'd need to eat 2 whole pizzas on your own for that. And you'd need to be eating that on top of eating all the other calories.
swim, if you can't swim then the elliptical
As for the rhythm, I would recommend LISS if you have time, keep your heart rate at 50%-60% of your maximum heart rate.
Imo HIIT is overrated, if you are fatty you will most likely not even reach the constant "all-out" intervals and tye after burner effect is a meme
this is what i think too, ty
i'll probably bike, my gym doesnt have the elliptical
When I use the elliptical I always feel moronic, for me it is the stairmaster
Do any cardio you want and can regularly perform. Cardio isn't going to make it break your weight loss it's going to come down to eating less.
Fork put downs > cardio
Half an hour of training at constant high HR (80% of max) absolutely kills me.
How do I train to have more stamina? Do I just stick with this until it gets better, should I do intervals? Shit is confusing.
Mix it up depending on your volume.
Half an hour at 80% once a week should be enough. Have another day where you do some short intervals at 90-95%+
Then everything else go for 60-70% of maximum
Whatevers fun hoking, biking,BJJ,etc
Fatloss when you burn all your glycogen and stored carbons. Try not eating like a fatass and doing anything.
You will loose peak wait.
For weight loss the more novel the form of cardio the more calories it burns. So if you just cycle through a dozen diffent forms you'll probably get the most burned out of it. But if you train running when you're not cutting you can easily get your performance to the point where you're burning 400-500 per half hour.