I've noticed a trend with my married friends and family that rather than break up or get divorced, they just have open relationships. Is this better than fricking around on the side and in secret? Seems like it. Obviously better to just be monogamous and not fricking others, but what to do when that is no longer desirable?
It's better if both parties are getting something out of it, and if they have very good communication. Too many "open relationships" end up spiraling into disaster when boundaries are not established, and eventually someone gets hurt in a way that cannot be reconciled.
Checked. These people actually exist. I knew a kid that was like this. He’d spam me Black person memes and decapitation videos. He was genuinely offended when I didn’t believe he went to church every Sunday and legitimately worshipped christ. It was the oddest thing.
Most people on this website are isolated poor morons who live in small towns and were raised christian as a consequence of that
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.
yeah basically every time a couple opens their relationship it results in one person fricking around a ton and the other getting nothing. then the frick-arounder finds someone better and moves on.
if a chick tries to “open” your relationship it is for all intensive porpoises over
It's better if both parties are getting something out of it, and if they have very good communication. Too many "open relationships" end up spiraling into disaster when boundaries are not established, and eventually someone gets hurt in a way that cannot be reconciled.
This is sinful and you have broken your word with God. People like this deserve and should receive a sword to their necks. Both the women and men. While this might seem extreme it is necessary for it to be done and to be done publicly. Corrupting and infesting the institution of marriage, as has already been done, is public on purpose and new terms are invented every day for the degeneration of this sacred union. Open marriage, gay marriage and civil union are some of these words. The public offenders should be immediately executed, trialed, sentenced and executed the same day. After which a moratorium should be offered for closeted offenders to get their house in order. A period where divorces are allowed should be maintained after which execution should be carried out on those who continue to offend and have not chosen to end their already worm infested, maggot eaten unions.
I'm Catholic. An open relationship implies pre-marital sex. Marriages should be organised by the parents or perhaps a technologically aided system using AI, creating pairs that best fit, ensuring no man or woman is left wondering without a soulmate. Dating, intercourse and "open relationships" are sinful and the offenders also deserve the sword. They are secondary. If those who desecrate marriage are punished publicly first and if a system of arranged, sacred and sanctified marriages is in place first, it will convince most incels and prostitutes into wholesome unions. Pornography of course must be banned for this and all offenders must be burnt, not decapitated. Public show of repentance first and if they refuse then hell fire is what they deserve on earth and in the afterlife. This is non-negotiable and God will make it true for it is His law and His law reigns in Heaven and on Earth, His Will be done.
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This is sinful and you have broken your word with God. People like this deserve and should receive a sword to their necks. Both the women and men. While this might seem extreme it is necessary for it to be done and to be done publicly. Corrupting and infesting the institution of marriage, as has already been done, is public on purpose and new terms are invented every day for the degeneration of this sacred union. Open marriage, gay marriage and civil union are some of these words. The public offenders should be immediately executed, trialed, sentenced and executed the same day. After which a moratorium should be offered for closeted offenders to get their house in order. A period where divorces are allowed should be maintained after which execution should be carried out on those who continue to offend and have not chosen to end their already worm infested, maggot eaten unions.
>pre-marriage open relationships
so basically just humping everything that moves in front of you like some kind of rabbit or mutt? if you're a human being you are called to something higher than this. repent.
I'm Catholic. An open relationship implies pre-marital sex. Marriages should be organised by the parents or perhaps a technologically aided system using AI, creating pairs that best fit, ensuring no man or woman is left wondering without a soulmate. Dating, intercourse and "open relationships" are sinful and the offenders also deserve the sword. They are secondary. If those who desecrate marriage are punished publicly first and if a system of arranged, sacred and sanctified marriages is in place first, it will convince most incels and prostitutes into wholesome unions. Pornography of course must be banned for this and all offenders must be burnt, not decapitated. Public show of repentance first and if they refuse then hell fire is what they deserve on earth and in the afterlife. This is non-negotiable and God will make it true for it is His law and His law reigns in Heaven and on Earth, His Will be done.
>what to do when that is no longer desirable?
Are you serious? You make it desirable
Do you not realize that if you're no longer interested in fricking your wife then you've seriously fricked up your life and marriage
Going out and ruining another woman while making a mockery of marriage is not the answer
>And she says no or just gets offended.
Bro if you are in a relationship where a woman where you are letting her tell you no or getting offended over an obvious truth, and you're just taking that at face value, then there's no helping you. Honestly the fact that you let your wife get up to 200 pounds in the first place is a huge red flag. Get your shit together.
It's better if both parties are getting something out of it, and if they have very good communication. Too many "open relationships" end up spiraling into disaster when boundaries are not established, and eventually someone gets hurt in a way that cannot be reconciled.
I was talking about pre-marriage open relationships, Muslim-kun.
No its not better. Go look at reddit or any forum that tries to shill open relationships, like more than half the posts are how to shake being jealous and feeling like you've ruined everything. Also even if you are a pretty fit guy, girls have an obvious advantage. I know its reddit so the guys on there are like the epitome of cucks, before they even went open relationship, but tons of posts are about how their girls get tons of guys and they either get like 1-2 or noone. Its like the fricking worst thing you can do. You try to work it out with wife, you seek counseling if it gets to that, but if she starts mentioning open relationships you nope out of there faster than you can blink.
Best post from Reddit subs was the one where the woman pushed for an open marriage, and while having fun her husband started ducking down traps/femboys.
The wife freaks out and wants to close their marriage, and redditors turn on her for her lack of understanding.
But the last part you said is the truth. If a woman mentions open marriage fricking leave.
>I've noticed a trend with my married friends and family
I was talking about pre-marriage open relationships, Muslim-kun.
>I was talking about pre-marriage open relationships
Is american schooling really that bad? Is object permanence now a matter of excellence?
No wonder such dimwits would fail to see value in a thing they themselves do not enforce.
"Opening up a relationship" just means telling the other, you don't find him/her enough. From that point onward, they will never be.
So, it no longer is a relationship, but a friendship, or situationship.
That is not a thing that should become marriage, or come from it, at any point.
Marriage is two entities becoming one. More than that is either family, or an orgy.
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I tried this with a failing GF and it made it 100% more painful than just ending it.
At the moment though I thought that I didn't have enough strength to end it, and that doing this would be less painful/ could potentially work. This seems to be the general consensus, and everytime you hear that it was not worth it
People are scared of losing access to guaranteed pussy. This is why you constantly read stories from losers here talking about their exes texting them and shit or thinking they're "chad" for being rebound dick for a girl.
If you get to the point where it’s something that unironically gets brought up as a legitimate topic of discussion, the relationship as you knew it is over. Online dating makes access to affairs as secretive and low effort as possible.
“I’m just here for friends!”
Or just no face pics/fake name.
If your partner actually brings it up, they’re going to frick other people whether you agree to it or not. For many people, they decide it’s better than being alone
>open relationships
lol I honestly don't understand this at all, totally alien angloshit as far as i'm concerned.
That's like having a sexfriend, or worse nosexfriend, with all the downsides of a relationship.
What's even the point?
But then I also don't see the point of shacking up with a woman if you aren't having kids with her.
I can’t believe people do this. IRL I’ve been in social situations where this has been brought up and I’ve debated the side of it being degenerate. I’ve been cast down as controlling, not open minded, why do you care what people do behind four walls, etc. But the times it’s been brought up, it concerns people with kids. I just can’t help but think these two selfish people forced a kid to sign up for all of life’s troubles, and they can’t even manage to try having a functional loving relationship, they have to cater to their hedonist desires in order to get by. Makes me sick
>what to do when that is no longer desirable?
You divorce, or of you have kids, you can consider staying together for them but not seeing other people.
Psychologist who has a very traditional mindset surrounding marriage but got kind of redpilled on open relationships by a onions man marriage counselor-psychologist.
Open relationships are a viable option for most pairs because people just don't put the effort into relationships that they should for the relationship to work properly. They never had. That is why people cheat. Almost everyone gets sloppy and in the "traditional" marriage constellation, people cheat without the other person knowing, which is both breaking a promise and lying. Being able to be honest with your needs/dissatisfaction and being able to find a way to stay with the person on some level is a few levels above being a shitty liar. That being said, it's still stupid and moronic regarding parenthood (your kids are gonna grow up shitty) and quality of the relationship. Open relationships are a sign, for me, that the person isn't eiher ready or made for a real lifelong relationship. That is okay, almost no one is and it's better not to lie to eachother. I have a gf that I plan to marry. I had a 4 year long relationship and got in the situation where I had a chance to cheat and was very tempted to do so. Still managed to not do it. Then I cheated on other gf. It's ridiculously easy to cheat. It's much harder to tell someone you love, that you've been thinking of other people and that you are not satisfied with the sex you're having. It's even harder to hear. I care about my future wife, current gf. I am willing to go through this. I am even willing to recover from a single case of cheating, because everyone is allowed to make a mistake.
tldr; open relationships are the result of people being morons and never really being able to fully commit but now they just don't want to lie about it. Work on your relationships and find someone who is willing to work on them as well and you'll be happy and won't need an open relationship.
Please argue your case. Long, stable relationships in this day and age are incredibly unnatural. Today's world is not made for love, it's made for quick sex and constant horniness. That horniness is natural and people are just being made aware of it. Instead of letting your frustration build up over 30 years of marriage and then cheating on your wife with your secretary and ruining your marriage, either go to therapy and find out why you can't fully commit or just be in an open relationship. I am not advocating for open relationships, I am against them as I think it's lazy. I just think that people were and are lazy in relationships regardless of it being open.
My case is simple. Rather than aiming for that which is difficult, open relationships enable people to root in the mud with what's easy and undesirable. >Today's world is not made for love, it's made for quick sex and constant horniness.
Today's world is also made for being a 300lb omegafat. Is your advice that people should accept their fate there as well?
Okay, I understand your case. I think you might be missing a key component, though - People are not used to be reaching for the difficult, unreachable goal, especially today where we are spoonfed quick solutions. Rather than throwing yourself into a hardcore life of dedication, only to disappoint yourself and others by cheating and corruption your view of yourself, make progress. There is a very low chance that your first relationship will be "the one" unless you are from a very specific family constellation and both are attending therapy or pair therapy from time to time. Communication is incredibly difficult. It's better to learn from your mistakes - maybe learning that you don't need an open relationship but you just don't know how to communicate your needs. That is something you only learn by experiencing it.
I am not advocating that people should accept their fate as 300lbs omegafats. I am advocating for slow, sustainable change that is internally motivated, instead of throwing the person in a military pit with abusive generals who induce trauma and the person will stop the "healthy ways" the moment they leave the abusive setting. People are stupid, lazy and selfish. We need to work with that and it's better to stumble and fail and learn how to not frick up and find what you want instead of betting on one horse without allowing yourself the possibility of fricking up. You hardly ever do anything good for the first time and you have to accept the real possibility that you are going to frick up. You either accept that in accepting that the relationship will fail, will be open, or you'll have to put in incredible amounts of work that will be uncomfortable at some points. A lot of people don't have it in them to do the last one and are scared of the first one. I am interested in making people stronger and better in a way where they understand how to get even better and stronger without my help. Sometimes that is learned by fricking up.
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That's great but the >I fricked up and must learn
pathway in a marriage is either fixing your marriage or divorce. Open relationship doesn't teach anything, it simply enables the shitty status quo plus extra momentary comfort without any growth. >I am interested in making people stronger and better in a way where they understand how to get even better and stronger without my help.
An open relationship is counter to these goals, both in the short and long term.
>Then I cheated on other gf. It's ridiculously easy to cheat.
No. It's fricking easy to not cheat. You just don't have sex with somebody that isn't your partner. Holy shit you fricks need God. This is why religion exists. It's not for people with actual morals. It's for the rest of the morons like you that need a threatening sky dad threatening your ass with instant death from above.
>recover from a single case of cheating
no such thing
no hope, never ever again, obviously
you're so wrong and I'm right
also stop saying what studies you're paying for, it doesn't add to your argument
Somethint you need to understand about normans is they all suffer from extreme relationship FOMO. They are obsessed with sex, relationships, marriage, children to such an extent they never pause (or even have the ability) to self reflect on their situation or feelings. Theyre like animals on a conveyor belt >Talk to as many people as possible >Get dates >Sex >Relationship >Ok youve been in a relationship for months time for marriage >Get married >Have kids >Fast forwards 5 years >Wow i hate this fricker
I'm so glad that I've never actually gone seeking a relationship. When I've been single it's just been about keeping fit and drinking with mates. When a relationship comes along then at least it's organic, and not just desperately grasping at something with some dumb b***h who is doing the same. Best way to get quality women is just to forget about them until you meet them. If you go looking you'll just get duds
open relationships cover a very wide ground. I am anti open relationship even though I've basically been in one and it ended well. really people are fricking weird and we've got no idea what happens in their heads. >be me during covid >have female housemate and stuck indoors with her >get drunk and frick >nothing else to do so it becomes our daily routine >explicitly not in a relationship, it's strictly just a fwb thing >keep fricking after lockdown when we're both single >met gf last year >gf asks if I ever have had a threesome >I have and it was fricking horrible (devil's threesome: do not google) >asks if I've ever fricked my housemate >it'satrap.jpg >cautiously admit we have during lockdown (I haven't been fricking her on the side when I'm in a relationship) >gf asks if housemate would want a threesome >alright this could be a win >laid strict ground rules and asked gf what she wanted (very important) >next night have drinks with gf (gf has basically moved in with us) and housemate >gf raises that she knows me and roomie used to frick >roomie goes bright red and almost is scared off >gf calms her down and asks her if she ever wants to join us >conversation turns horny and it's getting late so I say it's time for bed and asks roomie if she's coming too >she does >frick together for a few months but I only frick my housemate when my gf is there too (which was one of the rules I set but my gf was almost always around but there were a few times when keeping to that rule was a challenge)
Roomie eventually got clingy and I was concerned about how she was processing everything. on a night out she met another man and was really awkward about it so I told her I don't own her, go and talk to him and they're dating now.
as long as you set hard rules, know what everyone wants out of it, and stick to that (aka respect) it's manageable, but I'd never consider raising children or openly dating two women. I was with my gf and my housemate was strictly our shared side piece
>as long as you set hard rules, know what everyone wants out of it, and stick to that (aka respect) it's manageable,
And this is precisely why open relationships fail most of the time: they require constant, uncompromising communication, and for many couples it takes YEARS to get to that point, if they ever get there at all. Without communication and respect, all you're doing in an open relationship is dragging other people into your inevitable implosion, and that is fair to no one.
This is also why so many anons ITT are so vehemently against open relationships - as far as they're concerned, women are incapable of communicating with their partners, are always lying and are always looking for a chance to leave their boyfriends/husbands (yeah, yeah, BBC, cuck, wife's boyfriend, etc. etc.)
Why are norms so opposed to open communication? Like, just saying you're looking for something serious on the first date will filter 90% of women right then and there. Even if they want that too. Even if you aren't a sperg. You have to communicate your intentions without ever doing so. I swear that when you get open with people all their social media points, stories of "conquest", etc amount to jack and they have to admit there isn't much under the cover.
Because while they might want things like a serious relationship, many are always looking at the greener pasture and if they admit they want something serious with you that takes an astounding amount of work. It's easier to cut loose from someone if it's only implied serious rather than explicitly serious.
yeah the rules have to be comprehensive, they were basically >don't get rid of your flat just in case it goes breasts up and we have to bug out (gf was already considering moving in with me fully) >nobody else can know, this is a private thing and it's none of their business (this failed quickly cos we had two other housemates and it's impossible to hide something like that with the people that you live with lol) >this is something we do as a couple, nobody else gets involved and neither of us fricks her without the other present >if either of us change their mind, say so immediately and we'll stop it
outside of that it was just working out exactly what we wanted from it and what our boundaries were
it was nice nutting in two women back to back but I wouldn't do it again, there's so many variables and risks involved I know we got lucky
>Roomie eventually got clingy and I was concerned about how she was processing everything.
Could it be that you fricked up your roomie's pair bonding? It's rare for women nowadays to "settle" with only one sexual partner and that's pretty much what she did the entire time she was with you, expecting a more serious move. Which explains the initial unwillingness to separate and hop on some other dick.
maybe, I found out that she was turning down blokes saying she was in a relationship. I told her we aren't in a relationship, I'm with my girlfriend and she's just involved casually. she's free to go whenever she wants and she did. as soon as I noticed she thought she had some kind of obligation to me I pushed her towards seeing other men.
it's my gf that I was more concerned with at the time. she got really pissed off when my housemate went her own way, she deffo felt some kind of ownership over her.
Open relationships are a joke
If you’re no longer invested in it then break it off, “opening it up” just drags it out senselessly
Usually it’s women who advocate it because they get stability without any of the compromise
Open relationships are only for a hyper specific person. I wouldn't be surprised if most of these couples are just prolonging the divorce. If possible it's best to just end it before tons of resentment starts.
people's brains have been burnt by porn in the internet and soft porn on mainstream media.
if they didn't keep looking at that stuff, they wouldn't lose attraction to their partners.
What the frick is wrong with women. Its like saying "a man being friends with a sex addicted prostitute is nothing for the wife to worry about, men are pure creatures and proof is they invented instagram, banging other chicks is okay if yoir wife is fat tho". I swear to god ive developed gynophobia, i dont want then even near me i dont give a frick if i get called a misogynistic women are fricking evil.
>be in relationship with vain b***h that goes to the gym >she cheats on you
there is no possible way you could have seen this coming. totally out of left field.
I honestly don't know how marriage can possibly work
It seems like it would be so easy to fail there are so many opportunities and stuff these days that is just begging for it and a culture that is extremely permissive
And being fit and seeing lots of married women check you out and all that doesn't help
Black trainer at my gym, late 40's maybe 50? Trains some mushroom looking short fat old woman, stands 6 feet from her and watches and coachers her. Trains some old man in his 60's, fidgets around, organizes gym equipment while the old man is doing some machine. Trains young hot early 30's athletic girl and has his hands on her back or leg to brace or spot her reps. This while her (has to be) bf or husband (who's ottermode) does his thing in the gym. Frick that b***h you are not training with some Leroy that puts his hands all over you and touches you while I sit there and watch? are you out of your fricking mind? I feel bad for the dude, I would dump her so fast, she doesn't need that jig training her? wtf, frick that shit.
Funny. My friend sister cheated on her husband with her gym pt. She is with the pt now. Everyone freaked out. Trad girl, educated, from a good family and even her husband wasn't safe.
>Trad girl, educated, from a good family and even her husband wasn't safe.
It was his thinking he was "safe" that caused him to throw away his marriage.
From what I know he was always a great husband in that year or so they were married kek there's literally no running away from these hoes unless you ignore them completely
>he was always a great husband
I bet he was, anon. I bet he showered her with gifts and rubbed her feet and made her dinner and did "his share" of the chores. You know, all the things that "great husbands" do.
if a woman isn't sucking my wiener, cooking my meals, cleaning my house, and also being impregnated by me as much as possible she isn't even allowed to be within my physical presence
>letting your wife be friends with other males >letting your wife be friends with the athletic PT who has a fetish for wife stealing >being such a cuck you buy her training program and tight skimpy clothes for her to wear
Lmao. Lol even
The first tweet is 100% true. The problem is that they can develop feelings, which is natural for hetereosexual men and women when they spend time together and are attractive.
I am my wife's fitness instructor.
fpbp
That or either have your wife have a female instructor
I've noticed a trend with my married friends and family that rather than break up or get divorced, they just have open relationships. Is this better than fricking around on the side and in secret? Seems like it. Obviously better to just be monogamous and not fricking others, but what to do when that is no longer desirable?
It's better if both parties are getting something out of it, and if they have very good communication. Too many "open relationships" end up spiraling into disaster when boundaries are not established, and eventually someone gets hurt in a way that cannot be reconciled.
>a post defending open relationships on IST
Lmao
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It's absolutely fascinating how many christcucks there are on this website.
Christ is lord and IST is a Christan website. Deal with it, heathens
What makes IST inherently israeli, I’m confused can you explain?
They're not real Christians, but LARPers who've maybe been to church once in their life.
Checked. These people actually exist. I knew a kid that was like this. He’d spam me Black person memes and decapitation videos. He was genuinely offended when I didn’t believe he went to church every Sunday and legitimately worshipped christ. It was the oddest thing.
There’s no hate like Christian love
Most people on this website are isolated poor morons who live in small towns and were raised christian as a consequence of that
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.
yeah basically every time a couple opens their relationship it results in one person fricking around a ton and the other getting nothing. then the frick-arounder finds someone better and moves on.
if a chick tries to “open” your relationship it is for all intensive porpoises over
~~*Open relationship*~~ is a contradiction in terms.
This is sinful and you have broken your word with God. People like this deserve and should receive a sword to their necks. Both the women and men. While this might seem extreme it is necessary for it to be done and to be done publicly. Corrupting and infesting the institution of marriage, as has already been done, is public on purpose and new terms are invented every day for the degeneration of this sacred union. Open marriage, gay marriage and civil union are some of these words. The public offenders should be immediately executed, trialed, sentenced and executed the same day. After which a moratorium should be offered for closeted offenders to get their house in order. A period where divorces are allowed should be maintained after which execution should be carried out on those who continue to offend and have not chosen to end their already worm infested, maggot eaten unions.
I was talking about pre-marriage open relationships, Muslim-kun.
I'm Catholic. An open relationship implies pre-marital sex. Marriages should be organised by the parents or perhaps a technologically aided system using AI, creating pairs that best fit, ensuring no man or woman is left wondering without a soulmate. Dating, intercourse and "open relationships" are sinful and the offenders also deserve the sword. They are secondary. If those who desecrate marriage are punished publicly first and if a system of arranged, sacred and sanctified marriages is in place first, it will convince most incels and prostitutes into wholesome unions. Pornography of course must be banned for this and all offenders must be burnt, not decapitated. Public show of repentance first and if they refuse then hell fire is what they deserve on earth and in the afterlife. This is non-negotiable and God will make it true for it is His law and His law reigns in Heaven and on Earth, His Will be done.
based
>pre-marriage open relationships
so basically just humping everything that moves in front of you like some kind of rabbit or mutt? if you're a human being you are called to something higher than this. repent.
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Best post itt
See, i'm the opposite. I think all people who worship the god of Abraham should be thrown in a fire.
even israelites?
You're a israelite
And gradually, I started to hate them
meds
Lol you believe in god. Look me up in the afterlife and I’ll buy you a whiskey and a BLT.
>what to do when that is no longer desirable?
Are you serious? You make it desirable
Do you not realize that if you're no longer interested in fricking your wife then you've seriously fricked up your life and marriage
Going out and ruining another woman while making a mockery of marriage is not the answer
>You make it desirable
How do you do that, when your wife put on 200 lbs and is now quite fat and ugly, for example?
You tell her to lose the weight, obviously.
And she says no or just gets offended. Your move?
>And she says no or just gets offended.
Bro if you are in a relationship where a woman where you are letting her tell you no or getting offended over an obvious truth, and you're just taking that at face value, then there's no helping you. Honestly the fact that you let your wife get up to 200 pounds in the first place is a huge red flag. Get your shit together.
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No its not better. Go look at reddit or any forum that tries to shill open relationships, like more than half the posts are how to shake being jealous and feeling like you've ruined everything. Also even if you are a pretty fit guy, girls have an obvious advantage. I know its reddit so the guys on there are like the epitome of cucks, before they even went open relationship, but tons of posts are about how their girls get tons of guys and they either get like 1-2 or noone. Its like the fricking worst thing you can do. You try to work it out with wife, you seek counseling if it gets to that, but if she starts mentioning open relationships you nope out of there faster than you can blink.
Best post from Reddit subs was the one where the woman pushed for an open marriage, and while having fun her husband started ducking down traps/femboys.
The wife freaks out and wants to close their marriage, and redditors turn on her for her lack of understanding.
But the last part you said is the truth. If a woman mentions open marriage fricking leave.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171014051113/https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/comments/762fd4/i_asked_my_husband_to_open_our_relationship_hes/
hot, any more examples?
>I've noticed a trend with my married friends and family
>I was talking about pre-marriage open relationships
Is american schooling really that bad? Is object permanence now a matter of excellence?
No wonder such dimwits would fail to see value in a thing they themselves do not enforce.
"Opening up a relationship" just means telling the other, you don't find him/her enough. From that point onward, they will never be.
So, it no longer is a relationship, but a friendship, or situationship.
That is not a thing that should become marriage, or come from it, at any point.
Marriage is two entities becoming one. More than that is either family, or an orgy.
>Is american schooling really that bad? Is object permanence now a matter of excellence?
well done getting the reference hinted at
what percentage of blacks cant read out of high school again?
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I tried this with a failing GF and it made it 100% more painful than just ending it.
At the moment though I thought that I didn't have enough strength to end it, and that doing this would be less painful/ could potentially work. This seems to be the general consensus, and everytime you hear that it was not worth it
Just my tale
People are scared of losing access to guaranteed pussy. This is why you constantly read stories from losers here talking about their exes texting them and shit or thinking they're "chad" for being rebound dick for a girl.
If you get to the point where it’s something that unironically gets brought up as a legitimate topic of discussion, the relationship as you knew it is over. Online dating makes access to affairs as secretive and low effort as possible.
“I’m just here for friends!”
Or just no face pics/fake name.
If your partner actually brings it up, they’re going to frick other people whether you agree to it or not. For many people, they decide it’s better than being alone
>open relationships
lol I honestly don't understand this at all, totally alien angloshit as far as i'm concerned.
That's like having a sexfriend, or worse nosexfriend, with all the downsides of a relationship.
What's even the point?
But then I also don't see the point of shacking up with a woman if you aren't having kids with her.
statistics disagree
Couples that participate in this degenerate behavior deserve to be stoned to death
I can’t believe people do this. IRL I’ve been in social situations where this has been brought up and I’ve debated the side of it being degenerate. I’ve been cast down as controlling, not open minded, why do you care what people do behind four walls, etc. But the times it’s been brought up, it concerns people with kids. I just can’t help but think these two selfish people forced a kid to sign up for all of life’s troubles, and they can’t even manage to try having a functional loving relationship, they have to cater to their hedonist desires in order to get by. Makes me sick
Then there is absolutely no reason to stay in the relationship, moron.
>what to do when that is no longer desirable?
You divorce, or of you have kids, you can consider staying together for them but not seeing other people.
Psychologist who has a very traditional mindset surrounding marriage but got kind of redpilled on open relationships by a onions man marriage counselor-psychologist.
Open relationships are a viable option for most pairs because people just don't put the effort into relationships that they should for the relationship to work properly. They never had. That is why people cheat. Almost everyone gets sloppy and in the "traditional" marriage constellation, people cheat without the other person knowing, which is both breaking a promise and lying. Being able to be honest with your needs/dissatisfaction and being able to find a way to stay with the person on some level is a few levels above being a shitty liar. That being said, it's still stupid and moronic regarding parenthood (your kids are gonna grow up shitty) and quality of the relationship. Open relationships are a sign, for me, that the person isn't eiher ready or made for a real lifelong relationship. That is okay, almost no one is and it's better not to lie to eachother. I have a gf that I plan to marry. I had a 4 year long relationship and got in the situation where I had a chance to cheat and was very tempted to do so. Still managed to not do it. Then I cheated on other gf. It's ridiculously easy to cheat. It's much harder to tell someone you love, that you've been thinking of other people and that you are not satisfied with the sex you're having. It's even harder to hear. I care about my future wife, current gf. I am willing to go through this. I am even willing to recover from a single case of cheating, because everyone is allowed to make a mistake.
tldr; open relationships are the result of people being morons and never really being able to fully commit but now they just don't want to lie about it. Work on your relationships and find someone who is willing to work on them as well and you'll be happy and won't need an open relationship.
This is the marriage equivalent of the sort of fatty cope we see on /fph/
Please argue your case. Long, stable relationships in this day and age are incredibly unnatural. Today's world is not made for love, it's made for quick sex and constant horniness. That horniness is natural and people are just being made aware of it. Instead of letting your frustration build up over 30 years of marriage and then cheating on your wife with your secretary and ruining your marriage, either go to therapy and find out why you can't fully commit or just be in an open relationship. I am not advocating for open relationships, I am against them as I think it's lazy. I just think that people were and are lazy in relationships regardless of it being open.
My case is simple. Rather than aiming for that which is difficult, open relationships enable people to root in the mud with what's easy and undesirable.
>Today's world is not made for love, it's made for quick sex and constant horniness.
Today's world is also made for being a 300lb omegafat. Is your advice that people should accept their fate there as well?
Okay, I understand your case. I think you might be missing a key component, though - People are not used to be reaching for the difficult, unreachable goal, especially today where we are spoonfed quick solutions. Rather than throwing yourself into a hardcore life of dedication, only to disappoint yourself and others by cheating and corruption your view of yourself, make progress. There is a very low chance that your first relationship will be "the one" unless you are from a very specific family constellation and both are attending therapy or pair therapy from time to time. Communication is incredibly difficult. It's better to learn from your mistakes - maybe learning that you don't need an open relationship but you just don't know how to communicate your needs. That is something you only learn by experiencing it.
I am not advocating that people should accept their fate as 300lbs omegafats. I am advocating for slow, sustainable change that is internally motivated, instead of throwing the person in a military pit with abusive generals who induce trauma and the person will stop the "healthy ways" the moment they leave the abusive setting. People are stupid, lazy and selfish. We need to work with that and it's better to stumble and fail and learn how to not frick up and find what you want instead of betting on one horse without allowing yourself the possibility of fricking up. You hardly ever do anything good for the first time and you have to accept the real possibility that you are going to frick up. You either accept that in accepting that the relationship will fail, will be open, or you'll have to put in incredible amounts of work that will be uncomfortable at some points. A lot of people don't have it in them to do the last one and are scared of the first one. I am interested in making people stronger and better in a way where they understand how to get even better and stronger without my help. Sometimes that is learned by fricking up.
That's great but the
>I fricked up and must learn
pathway in a marriage is either fixing your marriage or divorce. Open relationship doesn't teach anything, it simply enables the shitty status quo plus extra momentary comfort without any growth.
>I am interested in making people stronger and better in a way where they understand how to get even better and stronger without my help.
An open relationship is counter to these goals, both in the short and long term.
Again, open relationship is a contradiction in terms
>Then I cheated on other gf. It's ridiculously easy to cheat.
No. It's fricking easy to not cheat. You just don't have sex with somebody that isn't your partner. Holy shit you fricks need God. This is why religion exists. It's not for people with actual morals. It's for the rest of the morons like you that need a threatening sky dad threatening your ass with instant death from above.
>recover from a single case of cheating
no such thing
no hope, never ever again, obviously
you're so wrong and I'm right
also stop saying what studies you're paying for, it doesn't add to your argument
Somethint you need to understand about normans is they all suffer from extreme relationship FOMO. They are obsessed with sex, relationships, marriage, children to such an extent they never pause (or even have the ability) to self reflect on their situation or feelings. Theyre like animals on a conveyor belt
>Talk to as many people as possible
>Get dates
>Sex
>Relationship
>Ok youve been in a relationship for months time for marriage
>Get married
>Have kids
>Fast forwards 5 years
>Wow i hate this fricker
I'm so glad that I've never actually gone seeking a relationship. When I've been single it's just been about keeping fit and drinking with mates. When a relationship comes along then at least it's organic, and not just desperately grasping at something with some dumb b***h who is doing the same. Best way to get quality women is just to forget about them until you meet them. If you go looking you'll just get duds
Could you really fall asleep next to your wife when she smells like another man's cum?
open relationships cover a very wide ground. I am anti open relationship even though I've basically been in one and it ended well. really people are fricking weird and we've got no idea what happens in their heads.
>be me during covid
>have female housemate and stuck indoors with her
>get drunk and frick
>nothing else to do so it becomes our daily routine
>explicitly not in a relationship, it's strictly just a fwb thing
>keep fricking after lockdown when we're both single
>met gf last year
>gf asks if I ever have had a threesome
>I have and it was fricking horrible (devil's threesome: do not google)
>asks if I've ever fricked my housemate
>it'satrap.jpg
>cautiously admit we have during lockdown (I haven't been fricking her on the side when I'm in a relationship)
>gf asks if housemate would want a threesome
>alright this could be a win
>laid strict ground rules and asked gf what she wanted (very important)
>next night have drinks with gf (gf has basically moved in with us) and housemate
>gf raises that she knows me and roomie used to frick
>roomie goes bright red and almost is scared off
>gf calms her down and asks her if she ever wants to join us
>conversation turns horny and it's getting late so I say it's time for bed and asks roomie if she's coming too
>she does
>frick together for a few months but I only frick my housemate when my gf is there too (which was one of the rules I set but my gf was almost always around but there were a few times when keeping to that rule was a challenge)
Roomie eventually got clingy and I was concerned about how she was processing everything. on a night out she met another man and was really awkward about it so I told her I don't own her, go and talk to him and they're dating now.
as long as you set hard rules, know what everyone wants out of it, and stick to that (aka respect) it's manageable, but I'd never consider raising children or openly dating two women. I was with my gf and my housemate was strictly our shared side piece
>as long as you set hard rules, know what everyone wants out of it, and stick to that (aka respect) it's manageable,
And this is precisely why open relationships fail most of the time: they require constant, uncompromising communication, and for many couples it takes YEARS to get to that point, if they ever get there at all. Without communication and respect, all you're doing in an open relationship is dragging other people into your inevitable implosion, and that is fair to no one.
This is also why so many anons ITT are so vehemently against open relationships - as far as they're concerned, women are incapable of communicating with their partners, are always lying and are always looking for a chance to leave their boyfriends/husbands (yeah, yeah, BBC, cuck, wife's boyfriend, etc. etc.)
Why are norms so opposed to open communication? Like, just saying you're looking for something serious on the first date will filter 90% of women right then and there. Even if they want that too. Even if you aren't a sperg. You have to communicate your intentions without ever doing so. I swear that when you get open with people all their social media points, stories of "conquest", etc amount to jack and they have to admit there isn't much under the cover.
Because while they might want things like a serious relationship, many are always looking at the greener pasture and if they admit they want something serious with you that takes an astounding amount of work. It's easier to cut loose from someone if it's only implied serious rather than explicitly serious.
I fricking hate normies so much.
yeah the rules have to be comprehensive, they were basically
>don't get rid of your flat just in case it goes breasts up and we have to bug out (gf was already considering moving in with me fully)
>nobody else can know, this is a private thing and it's none of their business (this failed quickly cos we had two other housemates and it's impossible to hide something like that with the people that you live with lol)
>this is something we do as a couple, nobody else gets involved and neither of us fricks her without the other present
>if either of us change their mind, say so immediately and we'll stop it
outside of that it was just working out exactly what we wanted from it and what our boundaries were
it was nice nutting in two women back to back but I wouldn't do it again, there's so many variables and risks involved I know we got lucky
>Roomie eventually got clingy and I was concerned about how she was processing everything.
Could it be that you fricked up your roomie's pair bonding? It's rare for women nowadays to "settle" with only one sexual partner and that's pretty much what she did the entire time she was with you, expecting a more serious move. Which explains the initial unwillingness to separate and hop on some other dick.
maybe, I found out that she was turning down blokes saying she was in a relationship. I told her we aren't in a relationship, I'm with my girlfriend and she's just involved casually. she's free to go whenever she wants and she did. as soon as I noticed she thought she had some kind of obligation to me I pushed her towards seeing other men.
it's my gf that I was more concerned with at the time. she got really pissed off when my housemate went her own way, she deffo felt some kind of ownership over her.
Open relationships are a joke
If you’re no longer invested in it then break it off, “opening it up” just drags it out senselessly
Usually it’s women who advocate it because they get stability without any of the compromise
Open relationships are only for a hyper specific person. I wouldn't be surprised if most of these couples are just prolonging the divorce. If possible it's best to just end it before tons of resentment starts.
people's brains have been burnt by porn in the internet and soft porn on mainstream media.
if they didn't keep looking at that stuff, they wouldn't lose attraction to their partners.
Also if people didn’t turn into mega fats
I hate gen y and gen x like you wouldn't believe. Why can't you just stop engaging in degeneracy?
I am the fitness instructor. Yes. I do frick your wife.
I'm the mailman and I'm fricking YOUR wife.
>male friends
Into the trash it goes.
Well I'm not married, but when I do get married, I will be my wife's personal trainer if ya catch my drift.
What the frick is wrong with women. Its like saying "a man being friends with a sex addicted prostitute is nothing for the wife to worry about, men are pure creatures and proof is they invented instagram, banging other chicks is okay if yoir wife is fat tho". I swear to god ive developed gynophobia, i dont want then even near me i dont give a frick if i get called a misogynistic women are fricking evil.
Amazing they managed to do that to you with nothing but online pictures. It's working
>be in relationship with vain b***h that goes to the gym
>she cheats on you
there is no possible way you could have seen this coming. totally out of left field.
My wife's son loves her gym instructor
They seem to get on well
Anyway, i've got more baldur's gate 3 to get back to before i cook my wife's boyfriend some dinner
I honestly don't know how marriage can possibly work
It seems like it would be so easy to fail there are so many opportunities and stuff these days that is just begging for it and a culture that is extremely permissive
And being fit and seeing lots of married women check you out and all that doesn't help
Because you need to valuesmaxx not stacymaxx, zoomer.
>t. Going on 16 years with wife
Black trainer at my gym, late 40's maybe 50? Trains some mushroom looking short fat old woman, stands 6 feet from her and watches and coachers her. Trains some old man in his 60's, fidgets around, organizes gym equipment while the old man is doing some machine. Trains young hot early 30's athletic girl and has his hands on her back or leg to brace or spot her reps. This while her (has to be) bf or husband (who's ottermode) does his thing in the gym. Frick that b***h you are not training with some Leroy that puts his hands all over you and touches you while I sit there and watch? are you out of your fricking mind? I feel bad for the dude, I would dump her so fast, she doesn't need that jig training her? wtf, frick that shit.
Funny. My friend sister cheated on her husband with her gym pt. She is with the pt now. Everyone freaked out. Trad girl, educated, from a good family and even her husband wasn't safe.
>Trad girl, educated, from a good family and even her husband wasn't safe.
It was his thinking he was "safe" that caused him to throw away his marriage.
From what I know he was always a great husband in that year or so they were married kek there's literally no running away from these hoes unless you ignore them completely
>he was always a great husband
I bet he was, anon. I bet he showered her with gifts and rubbed her feet and made her dinner and did "his share" of the chores. You know, all the things that "great husbands" do.
Your sister was slonking pipes since 10th grade, dumbass.
whenever someone tells you unprompted about this immoral thing they definitely do not do, you can safely assume that's exactly what they are doing.
Why are so many women just horrible people.
All 6 of them are faithful
if a woman isn't sucking my wiener, cooking my meals, cleaning my house, and also being impregnated by me as much as possible she isn't even allowed to be within my physical presence
>letting your wife be friends with other males
>letting your wife be friends with the athletic PT who has a fetish for wife stealing
>being such a cuck you buy her training program and tight skimpy clothes for her to wear
Lmao. Lol even
The first tweet is 100% true. The problem is that they can develop feelings, which is natural for hetereosexual men and women when they spend time together and are attractive.