Which one is the best to learn? What goes well with lifting heavy things?
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Best to learn is probably kickboxing or Muay Thai. Best to pair with moving heavy shit is sumo. Overall you’re better off just carrying a gun.
>Overall you’re better off just carrying a gun.
Why not both?
Because you should just not engage in fist fights. If there’s a credible threat you should meet it with overwhelming force. That’s not kicking someone in the calf it’s unloading 9 shots into their center mass. If they’re not a credible threat just walk away.
Correct. Learning to fight is good for confidence in stressful situations and it’s fun competing (if you’re into that). Street fighting should be a last resort, carrying a gun is a much better option
unfortunately irl even a gun is mostly useless
most attacks happen by someone running into someone else, pulling out a tiny switchblade and stabbing the other person like 10-15 times very quickly before they can react
the actual best protection would be some under stab proof vest
You live in some crowded city in thailand or something? That literally never happens
Good ol wrestling is probably the easiest to make work with heavy lifting. Or sumo since there isn't weight classes.
Almost impossible to learn outside high school athletics if your American unfortunately
Fricking sucks, only option is erotic choking sports instead.
Muay Thai/Judo/(Boxing or Kickboxing) would probably be the best/most practical combo to go for.
>Judo
>practical
That's how you spot an american who doesn't train
tossing someone headfirst on concrete seems like a practical way to end fights
>trains for 2-3 years
>yeah I'd say I'm an expert and shit
There are literally people at the top end of any martial art who can cream anyone and make a "highly respected school black belt" look like they're autistic.
Muay thai doesn't pair well with lifting unless you're lifting specifically for muay thai.
I like kung fu but I'm short and like how it equals the playing field vs a strong opponent by redirecting their blows and encourages dirty fighting. Some of the first moves you learn are blocking crotch shots and throwing sand in your opponents eyes. While the Chinese are scum everywhere else in life when it comes to having no honor, frick honor when it comes to fights. Plus a kung fu master 3x black belt who mastered other martial arts and multiple types of weapons loved kung fu the most. So I'm going to fricking trust the coolest man I've ever met over couch potato fans on the Internet.
What ever you choose for the love of God avoid karate. It's watered down garbage because it was such a huge thing for students to kill their master to prove they are better. So masters kept holding back teaching their "ultimate" move. Kept going for generations and now it's garbage.
Depends, for fun I'd go with BJJ, for a street fight definitely go with a striking art, either boxing, kickboxing or Muay thai.
The BJJ will help you get homosexuals off you on the ground too. So many fights end with ground n pound
Here you go OP
Pretty much this
Weaboo tier can give you good cardio, discipline, be very cool hobbies etc. but you won't be able to fight someone for shit
>boxing beats boxing + kicks
Its like how sometimes leaders dont actually do a ton if different work but instead know how to delegate work. Boxing is such a simple concept that it allows for the blossoming of strategy while other styles can overwhelm your thoughts on technique so you cant think as much on strategy. I say this as a judo guy
thats not how it works, boxers dont have better strategies or muscle memory or whatever, they're just more specialized in hands, boxers can evade punches and punch better, but they would lose against fighters that can use kicks and knees everytime, boxing stances and techniques are specialized to defend and attack against punches only.
i dont know how to explain striking to a grappling guy..
strikers make a combined gameplan depending on their own style and their opponents', and focus more on concepts like what types of defense and attacks, when to apply pressure etc. its not so much about "i can see right now this guy is throwing a left hook so i am going to do this", that type of thing is all muscle memory and style.
I thought Judokas could hold their own against BJJ practitioners.
If anything training too much in a specialized martial art is a bad habit because there are several ranges for different techniques. You don't wanna be used to standing so close to each other like in boxing when that's the perfect distance to get underhooked, or not be ready for someone to close like 8 fricking feet with a kick.
For self defense, yes. That is why I put it on the far right category. Boxing is focused on defending one of the most common types of attacks that an untrained person would try. Being able to slip/roll/weave/parry really effectively is much more critical than checking kicks. Boxing spends a lot more time worried about the footwork of defending punches as well. This is the reason I also put Judo so far to the right. Judo will teach you to defend from someone grabbing your upper body really well, which is also one of the most common ways someone would attack you in a self defense situation.
Boxing, judo, wrestling also have really good youth leagues in the west. These sports allow someone to develop as an athlete and compete from very young, frequently, which leads to better outcomes.
As a former amateur muay thai fighter, if I was ever in a fight I would just straight kick the other guys knee out or grab him by the head and throw knees into his face until he gives up
trying to parry or slip punches in a street fight only works in movies and punching someone with a bare fist is a great way to break your knuckles
Muay Thai fighters need to work on their hip openness, covering distance, doing sidekicks at all, and my signature leaping roundhouse. Yeah you hit with the fricking instep it has more speed and hits hard as shit. Front side kick is way better as a jab, any back kick you've seen in pro fighting isn't breaking more than 4 boards(I get it easy to hit a bag), hook kicks are gay, and lean forward and kick with your whole body I can kick over a fridge because I practiced slow and had my technique perfected before I used it in sparring.
What muay Thai does really well is being able to advance slowly while keeping a very tough defense. But if you aren't able to move fast with a wider stance someone is just gonna fricking slam their foot at you as hard as they can and you can't really stop it if they are good.
They also usually win at kickboxing because they're much better in close and their hands are way better than other kickboxers.
Oh I wasn’t saying Muay Thai doesn’t work, and agree with you that hands are very fragile. I just think, all else being equal, boxers work on defense against punching more, and punching is one of the most common attacks one would have to deal with in terms of ‘da streetz’
> Boxing, judo, wrestling also have really good youth leagues in the west. These sports allow someone to develop as an athlete and compete from very young, frequently, which leads to better outcomes.
How bad of an idea would it be to start judo at 25 while being minimally fit? I'm skinnyfat, starting taking the gym seriously this January but I've been amused by Judo for some time and want to try it. Ideally I'll get some gains this year then start training judo afterwards, but I don't know how good of a plan this is.
>boxing beats boxing + kicks
Minute for minute hour for hour day for day, yes.
Because on the street kicks are rarely useful and often a huge liability.
It's time and technique wasted in that context.
Teeps, knees, and low kicks to the side of the knee are incredibly effective in a street fight. Mid to high round kicks are a mixed bag and really only effective if you're already dominant.
Another advantage muay thai has is that street fights often involve collar grabbing/clinch, and knowing how to throw elbows and knees from that position or sweep someone to the ground is fairly useful.
Pretty accurate
Kendo uses a sword, how can the ufc btfo somebody with a weapon?
In some place like the uk it would be handy
>stomps your head when you pull guard and start butt scooting towards me
Yeah bjj should be all the way to the left
Aikido is goat tier, but -extremely- high skill cap to git gud.
what are the two last one
Wrestling and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Sumo? The only advantage the have is they will be 300lbs and strong. Otherwise it falls apart pretty fast and was btfo by the UFC really hard.
Have seen it btfo other styles quite easily.
Always nice to see someone confirm that getting big trumps joining the pajama club.
Muay thai fighters and kick boxers have gone on to win world champion boxing titles
Not a single boxer has done the reverse
Really makes you think
Makes you think there are rules and referees and win conditions that are not relevant on the street.
And martial arts that can only use hands and one that require you to be on the ground doesnt?
Who is talking about the street?
This is such a fricking moronic argument. There are barely any boxers who go into other sports, because boxing IS MORE RELEVANT and a more established sport. There's no point for a boxer to go into other sports if they're good at boxing. There's a TON of incentive for other martial artists to go into boxing to earn more money. Why the frick would a champion boxer transition to something else, when he's making more just boxing.
Shut up Black person
Idiot anon said boxing btfo everything to the left but in reality kick/muay guys enter the boxing world and clean up because they have the foundation of good hands but are also more well rounded athletically
Anyone picking BJJ over judo for self-defense is a moron unless you don't have access to a good gym. Real altercations start standing, and isn't taking place on soft mat floors.
Judo gays are obnoxious. I rarely see the part of it that gets wanked actually used
That might be, but the point still stands. Judo isn't that big in America so that could be why you haven't seen it, but my friends who are security guards were taught basic judo throws as part of their training and have great success with them.
>Judo gays are obnoxious
Only in america. In other parts of the world where judo is actually popular as an olympic sport (as opposed to wrestling), everyone understands judo is good for kids and that anyone serious over self-defense would go for BJJ. But in America they have this inferiority complex so they have to pretend like their sport is better for da streetz, when in fact it's much less realistic since it doesn't allow any of the shit that actually works in real life (leg takedowns)
>since it doesn't allow any of the shit that actually works in real life
Sucks that it's out from randori, but I still had to learn it for my belt promotion
Yes
Too much focus on legs, boxing is faster, by the time you kicked, your opponent already knocked you down
You have never trained Muay Thai and have no concept of range management. Unless you’re fighting a skilled boxer in the street (not likely) you will have a huge advantage by getting good at low kicks. A few to the leg will be a rude awakening to whoever you’re fighting and will greatly affect their ability to throw punches and move
>projecting this much
ive done boxing/kboxing for years
getting inside the kboxer space cancels all the kicks and kboxers dont know how to defend/attack from someone at touching distance
I specifically said that unless you’re fighting a skilled boxer you’ll have no issue, I’m not trying to say boxing is useless against MT as I’ve sparred with some good boxers and gotten laced up.
>don’t know how to attack at touching distance
What are knees and elbows
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Do you want to argue with idiots on the internet or do you actually want to start training? If you just want to shitpost, simply monitor this thread as it inevitably devolves into shitflinging.
If you are actually serious about getting out there and training, proceed as follows:
Open google maps and search for martial arts schools/gyms in your area.
See how far they are from your home and list which ones you could realistically commute to at least a few times a week.
Most gyms offer some form of a trial period. Go around to each gym on your list and use their trial period. Let the owner know you're just trying them out.
After that, decide which one you want to go with.
IMHO, find a gym that participates in some form of combat sport and has successful fighters.
Protip, if you live in the US, chances are the best option available to you is BJJ. IST shits on jiujitsu, but there are good gyms out there, and it's better to train that to not train. Now go on and be about it, son.
>IST shits on jiujitsu, but there are good gyms out there, and it's better to train that to not train. Now go on and be about it, son.
Problem for me is there's gyms everywhere around me. So many options I don't know which to pick.
They will usually let you do a trial week. Just try them and pick the one you like.
If you tell me what city you live in, I'll take a look at what's in your area and give you my opinion on which gyms look best. But ultimately, respect this guy's dubs of truth:
>If you tell me what city you live in
Best I'll do is state - CT
OK, I'm starting with the Hartford area just because it's towards the middle of the state. Maybe later I'll comb through the New Haven area.
Honestly this might be trickier than I thought, you guys have some weirdass martial arts schools in Hartford. Strange combinations like a muay Thai gym that also does Tang Soo Do, etc.
This place claims they teach like a dozen styles, which seems suspicious to me, but it might be worth checking out their BJJ/MT/boxing programs:
https://www.teamplusone.com//martial-arts/
This looks like a straight-up old school boxing gym, could be cool:
https://fourropesboxing.com/
If you're a weeb (you know you are anon), this looks like a proper old-school Okinawan dojo:
http://uechikarate.com/
This place is down in Hamden. It looks like a legitimately good jiujitsu gym, they've got a fricken coral belt there. They also have a MT program (skip the krav though):
https://soulcraftbjj.com/
Here's one I can tell you to avoid:
https://villaristudios.com/
This is this guy's school:
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Hell, do it just for laughs.
Any CT-based anons on here, please chime in.
What if I just wanna do kickboxing again and beat everyone at the gym what do I do then? Practice against someone worse than me?
my favorite is capoeira cause it looks cool and the dance part is super fun.
i’ve never had to resort to physical violence in my 36 years as i don’t live in a shithole
2/3rds of these are pretend street performer memes whose top practitioners have been debunked
Every day...
it's the same old thing...
Take in the garbage...
Walk the fly...
Really liked krav maga, if I still lived in a bigger city I would probably keep doing it.
Doing Tang soo do now. Its still fun, it motivates me to stay in shape and I like the focus on strikes as mostly wrestled in high school, but the philosophy and goofy adherence to tradition I find annoying.
All are great options, even with karate or tkd, your ability to kick someone's head will be far greater than most people ability to defend them.
>What goes well with lifting
Literally all of them, specially wrestling/grappling styles.
No such thing as being too strong.
Karate, kickboxing, tkd, muay thai, and boxing have the highest skillcap. But if you're real frickin strong and expert/master at any of them(with knowledge of how the other martial arts work) then you will be able to beat pretty much anyone at any gym or competition you go to.
Rugby
If i had infinite time and money here's what I'd do:
>buy a punching bag, barbell, dbs, then squat cage pulleys
>train at the best gym around no matter the martial art
>try to find a muay thai or mma gym(they usually go hand in hand) for stopping in to spar, remember classes are open you aren't limited to anything but the amount of effort you're willing to put in
>try to find the best jiu-jitsu jitsu, judo, wrestling, etc(mma places often have ex wrestler coaches, bjj is hyper specific but judo is top shelf stand up grappling for experts with Japanese jiu-jitsu jitsu usually)
To find the best gyms find the places that compete in their respective competitions, go see how hard they hit the bag in classes etc. If you wish to compete yourself I'd recommend training for 2 years minimum before getting into full contact competitions and you should be bulking never listen to the strength training advice of a martial artist
Only 3 on here are practical kickboxing, muay thai, and boxing and only another 3 that are useful when you add in practical skills taekwondo, karate, and judo. The rest I suppose are good strength and conditioning routines, but that is it. Pick from one of the six I listed if you want to learn how to fight.
>Which one is the best to learn? What goes well with lifting heavy things?
What is your goal?
Self Defence, acrobatic skills, a black belt as fast as possible, fighting in a cage or winning a gold medal in tkd…?
Without knowing the question you won’t find the right answer.
Just ~lift~ train
Gun
The best are (in no particular order)
>mma
>boxing
>wrestling
>muay thai
>kickboxing
>judo
>jiu-jitsu
They all go well with lifting and lifting will usually mean better performance. Tho some more cardio intense maetial arts like muay thai and kickboxing will slow down some of your gains if you don't eat enough
for actual, practical self defense:
wrestling + boxing
to help with your lifting:
judo+wrestling
How much does doing a martial art impact recovery?
Depends how hard you go. It can sap a lot of energy and and you might want to increase you calorie intake to boost recovery
Martial arts are catabolic as frick
Muay Thai and BJJ have been my favorites and are the only 2 I consistently train now. Judo is cool as frick too. Wrestling is probably the most effective for takedowns/ground work but only if you trained it for >5 years, if not then a good BJJ practitioner could mangle you. Boxing is okay but I prefer Muay Thai only because leg kicks can be the deciding factor in a stand up fight, not to mention elbows and knees
Will mma stance makes muay thai and boxing techniques weaker?
Taekwondo or kickboxing with the basics of boxing and jiu jitsu and you will almost never lose a fight. Everyone will punch, some people will grab, no one will kick so if you can kick you will frick people up.
>3rd Dan in taekwondo
>1st Dan in hapkido
>beats everyone
>no one gives a frick that you carry 2 sticks in public
Nothing personell kid
My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable
I did boxing, taekwondo, capoeira karate and Muay Thai moggs
For a street fight it probably goes something like:
1. Run (going to save you much trouble in the long run)
2. If mutt and in state where its possible, pull gun
3. Boxing or Muay Thai
4. If living in a country where you're actually likely to see a knife fight and can't carry a gun, any kind of FMA
For anything other than a street fight, whatever you find to be fun.
Stick beats knife.
i think kung fu could actually work but you have to spar with it a lot or you will get fricked and theres no where to spar. but doing it on a bag kinda works . it can be used like wrestling if you grab them, it's got lots of funky locks
Kickboxing & boxing are the best for actual fighting
Judo.
Kudo
Or sambo
Kickboxing is underrated. Boxing is the best for an actual workout in my opinion. And best overall because kicking is gay