noticed there was no boxing/fighting general, if there is someone direct me to that.
i've been lifting on and off for 2 years now, i'm not jacked or ripped and i'm still a dyel but i'm a healthy BMI and i have stamina now.
i've always wanted to get into boxing but i don't think i have the time or money to jump right in with a trainer and such. does anyone have any good youtube tutorials or written guides for learning the basics? i should have a basic setup with like a punching bag and such, i plan on buying some gloves later this week.
send good youtube channels, guides, and tutorials that I can use to learn.
i'm not shadowboxing btw that's gay.
Join a boxing gym that has classes, you don't need a personal trainer. Learning online you're not going to even know what mistakes you're making having no one to correct you. If you want to just hit a bag, fine. You'll at least get decent cardio, but you're never going to know how to actually fight. Shadowboxing isn't gay, you're just a homosexual.
frick i just bought a 3 month subscription to my local community center, was gonna lift there, guess i'm doubling down with another subscription lol.
never been to a boxing gym, are the trainers/classes usually included in the fee or does it depend on the gym.
Ok so there's FITNESS BOXING and there's actual boxing.
Actual boxing there is nothing to question, you go there to learn how to box. You pay a membership that may vary in how often you can access the gym, but if it's a legit boxing gym, you are ONLY paying to learn how to box so of course it's included in the fee.
Fitness boxing is essentially just a gym with "boxing" techniques as a form of cardio, you will not learn how to fight there.
I'd like to do a mix of fitness and real boxing. I don't plan on doing actual fights, I'm a student with a white collar job, but it's good to stay in shape and it'd be fun to spar with my friends.
With that being said, I do NOT have the time or money to spend $100 a month on a membership so that I can go to a boxing gym every day. I will have a full time job this summer and when I'm not on break I have school with work still on top of that.
I think my uni has some fitness boxing stuff but I wanna learn to spar which is why I ask. Is there any other way to get into boxing without spending that kinda money and time?
To those of you telling me to shadowbox, why the hell would I do that when I have access to bags. Why not just practice on the bags instead? Or get one of those stick things that you hit and then duck under.
>mix of fitness and real boxing
No, just do real boxing. There is no reason to do fitness boxing unless you do not want to learn how to fight. Real boxing is everything fitness boxing is (trust me, the cardio is insane) except you actually learn how to fight. Fitness boxing should be looked at as just a fun form of cardio to add to your regular gym routine. You do not need to want to be an actual pro fighter to learn how to really box either. It's still FAR more worth it. It's like comparing squatting on a machine to free weight, there is just no point to one if you can do the other.
>To those of you telling me to shadowbox, why the hell would I do that when I have access to bags. Why not just practice on the bags instead? Or get one of those stick things that you hit and then duck under.
Every single martial art has some kind of shadowboxing like drill. Shadowboxing is not just something you do because there's no equipment, it's an essential part of training. Even in weight lifting it's helpful to practice movements without any weight. Shadow boxing helps you practice form, doesn't wear your body out as much from impact, trains speed and coordination with movements, and the important part is your brain. It's incredibly useful to imagine scenarios and practice responding to them consequence free, the same way its useful to imagine travel paths for the bar when moving weights.
Stop thinking you know everything, lifting is not that different, there's proper ways to go about things and there's lots of ways to get hurt or waste your time for being ignorant.
>Even in weight lifting it's helpful to practice movements without any weight
this was all you had to say, i think i understand now.
>Stop thinking you know everything
the entire thread is me asking where to start LOL
I'd say the boxing gym is totally worth it. It's really fun and satisfying. I'm brand new to the sport and I'm learning new stuff everytime I go. I'm even practicing outside of the gym so I know when I go the next day I have something to add in. My gym we almost exclusively work with a partner with one holding focus mitts and the other punching so you get a good feel for being in front of and moving around another person rather than just hitting the bag.
My gym had a $50 3 week subscription and you can go as much as you want. I'm going every day but skipped yesterday because I do manual labor and needed a day off. After the trial it's $100 a month with unlimited classes although I know not every gym is like that. We can also sign up for 1 on 1 coaching with a trainer for an extra cost. I got to work 1 on 1 with a coach one night because I was new and there were an odd amount of students and it's got me thinking I might try to do 1-2 personal training sessions a month on top of class but I'll have to see how much it costs
To add, if you don't have "time or money" right now but you are serious about getting into boxing or another martial art when you eventually do, then just focus on CARDIO. Run like hell, jump rope too, you can practically never have too much cardio for fighting and it's hard to frick it up. If you go in there with extremely high stamina you'll already be far ahead of the game.
You get into boxing by going to a boxing gym and practicing boxing from a boxing coach. Don't try to self teach, it's not impossible, it's just EXTREMELY highly likely you will do things wrong and create bad habits that will become harder to undo. You don't know what you're doing. Even just looking for someone in person who knows boxing but may not be a trainer is still better than trying to diy it.
read all 1500 chapters of hajime no ippo.
if you can do it then it means you have the necessary willpower to stick to this discipline.
>i'm not shadowboxing btw that's gay.
then quit now
>i'm not shadowboxing btw that's gay.
Then you're never going to box lmao, what the frick do you think you'll be doing? You'll be punching air for almost half the time.
>sparred for the first time ever against a guy who fights amateur
>hold my own, get hit more but it's sparring
>got a gnarly upjab on the guy
>heard both coaches go "ohhh" when I landed it
Based. I can't wait till I can spar. Did you find you could remember everything you had learned when you got in the ring or did it all kind of go out the window?
Not him but it was my experience and almost everyone I know that your first time in a real spar ever, it's gonna all go right out the window. Your brain isn't trained yet on how to stay calm and react properly to actually being attacked. It gets much easier much faster and especially if you remember that your goal should be to figure out how to stay CALM. Biggest thing that holds someone back from getting better in spars is thinking they need to be spazzy and amped up or just not knowing at all how to get themselves back to calm and collected. It's like night and day when you finally stop flinching lol.
That makes sense. I know I'm realistically not close to being ready to spar. I have a bit of a Muay Thai background from like a decade ago so I'm picking things up quickly, but the differences like stance ect have been hard for me to break. How long did you train before you were allowed to spar? My gym requires us to get permission from a coach to be allowed to go to sparring sessions and I don't want to jump the gun or seem too eager and ask yet. I'm planning on training 6 days a week if my body can keep up with it. Luckily my gym is only a 2 minute walk away and I have hours in between getting off work and when class starts so I get some downtime to rest and take a nap so I'm not running myself too ragged
I also do Muay Thai. Took a few months before I was allowed to spar. Yes trying to go from Muay Thai to Boxing is difficult, hence the point I was making to the OP that training himself is stupid because UNTRAINING is harder than learning for the first time.
It's good that you need permission, if a coach just let anyone walk into the ring he'd be a moron. It's not a bad thing to ask, at all. Just ask him, if you're ready he'll say yes, if not he'll just say no and just keep training, at least he'll have it in mind to tell you once you're ready. Get some friends to help you with very light sparring sessions if you can just so you can start getting used to what it's like to have someone try and attack you. But be responsible and don't hurt your friends.
what he said tbh:
once I began to move a bit, took a solid punch and began to slip punches, I felt a bit calmer and began to remember shit. one thing though, I can only land jabs at the moment in single shots - I feel nervous about throwing rights and I find that I'm too tense to throw a lot, will this go as I spar more?
>will this go as I spar more?
Yes. You just have to do it. Even if it comes out awkward and wrong, you need to train your brain to throw multiple punches. I also had the same issue, I would just stick and move/block. Once I got one in I'd felt I did my job and it was time to get back to safety. Problem is, that's what I'm training my brain to do. It wasn't until I deliberately threw combinations that it eventually felt normal and not so anxiety inducing and tense to do it. But they did come out very awkward at first. My problem was I always felt I would get countered hard if I threw more than one, especially if the first one didn't land. My trainer noticed and told me to consciously try to get over that and throw multiple punches, even if the first or second or third etc doesn't land, it might be the next one that the other guy runs into or opens himself up for.
And again, getting hit is ok, you need to train your brain to be able to dismiss getting punched so you can stay focused and not flinch/look away. So just keep sparring, but don't forget you're not just there to get beat up, you should be consciously deciding to try out things and put your training to real practice. If you've been training a combo, then next time you spar, your goal for that whole session is to just try and do that combo until you're comfortable with it.
>if you've been training a combo, then next time you spar, your goal for that whole session is to just try and do that combo until you're comfortable with it.
I had that in mind going in with it but with that upjab and a check hook: my trainer told me to forget them and do simple stuff but the upjab succeeded but the guy hit ME with a check hook lmao.
Listen to your coach, you should have fundamentals down.
I should and I will next time, I just saw my opportunity and took it.
biggest thing that held me (still does) is to keep on fricking moving
even if you land a punch, FRICKING KEEP MOVING
What are you implying with that picture of based GGG?
if you want a piece of advice from me, consider doing a grappling martial art (like Judo or Jiu-Jitsu) instead of striking. Why? You avoid getting hit in the head. Don't underestimate strikes to the head. I know multiple people myself who've been boxing since their childhood and who started developing early-onset dementia in their mid 30s - medical studies are also clear on this. Getting repeatedly punched into your brain leads to said brain getting damaged, who would've thought.
Other than that, striking and grappling are about equal of a workout, with striking having its focus on endurance, and grappling on strength. Considering real world applicability, I'd even go as far as saying that grappling is more applicable in a street fight, because most real life altercations start in very close quarters with only a few inches of distance between the combatants, where striking is near non-effective.
>I'd even go as far as saying that grappling is more applicable in a street fight, because most real life altercations start in very close quarters with only a few inches of distance between the combatants, where striking is near non-effective.
You moron, the conventional logic has always been the complete opposite of this. You DO NOT want to get into a grappling situation in a street fight where you could potentially go to the ground. In a 1 on 1 guaranteed fair fight sure, but spontaneous violence in the street? This isn't a movie, you have to worry about weapons and other people kicking your shit in while you focus on the 1 guy.
For spontaneous street violence, you want striking because it leaves you far more prepared for the "anything could happen" aspect. You strike you move you strike you move until you've created enough space to get the frick out. Lets you be far more aware of your immediate environment and you want the cardio to outrun the opponent.
>You strike you move you strike you move until you've created enough space
ok tell me where I should move in that situation
not even to mention legal ramifications - grappling is far more controllable in terms of how hard you wanna go on your opponent. in most situations where public violence occurs (bars, clubs, demonstrations, festivals, ...) there are bouncers or even police on site which will promptly arrive. if you got shoved by a hyperaggressive drunk tard who wants to start shit, you can pin his arms or even put him into a chokehold and subdue him until authorities arrive five seconds later and cuff him.
with striking, there is no nuance in that type of situation. it's either "you do nothing" or "you beat him unconscious". imagine a cop hears some rummaging and screaming and runs over to where the noise comes from - in one situation he sees you pinning a guy on the ground who is drunkenly thrashing around, yelling insults and slurs at you, in the other he sees you in the process of beating a random guy to a pulp with girls screaming at you to stop, guys trying to pull you of your victim, and your fists covered in blood. in the first situation the cop will escort the aggressor to his patrol car and thank you for intervening, in the second situation you're lucky if you don't get shot and ONLY go to jail for 5 years.
Just from the way you're typing out those scenarios I can tell how incredibly inexperienced in life you are. You are imagine IDEAL heroic scenarios where using grappling would go smoothly. I'm telling you reality is usually a lot more unfair and fricked up and you don't want to be on the ground, not as aware of your environment, or worrying about "not hurting him too much" in an actual random violence situation. You want to negate the threat and get the frick out of the situation until you are sure you're completely safe. In real life, people have homies around, people carry weapons or use makeshift ones and security/good Samaritans aren't always around/capable/arrive on time.
>with striking, there is no nuance in that type of situation. it's either "you do nothing" or "you beat him unconscious"
You really must think life is a movie. Most of the time fights are short bursts of violence and then its split up or someone stops. Getting knocked out is not very common and it's not an easy thing to do. Also weird how you somehow don't see how grappling is just as deadly and just because you know how to control someone, doesn't mean you may not have to break a limb or slam someone's head into the ground to survive a violent account. You may not even "have" to, you can still just end up doing it in the spur of the moment. You only beat someone to a pulp if you WANT to do that.
You sound so childish and inexperienced.
>grappling is more applicable in a street fight
have fun rolling on the ground while your head is used as a soccer ball for the frickers buddies
>close quarters is bad for striking
get a load of this gay
anyone actually trained in boxing will lay you out real fricking quick in an actual fight
>i'm not shadowboxing btw that's gay.
>and i have stamina now.
the day you enter a boxing gym you'll figure out real quick you actually dont
>i'm not shadowboxing btw that's gay.
ngmi
Just walk into a gym and say, "hello, I want to start learning how to box." It's that easy. Why did you need to make a thread about it? No one here knows anything about fitness
Saying you won't shadow box is like the other moron here posting about not doing any guard work for BJJ cuz its gay. Have fun not having any boxing trainer take you seriously because of your stance on shadow boxing. It takes 15 fricking minutes. If you're in a boxing gym, everyone does it. It's not weird, and no one cares.
Don’t be a pussy and jump In already fighting mostly mental also don’t listen to pussies who say hard sparring is bad hard sparring is the only way to prepare for any real life situation that requires violence
Does Title make good equipment? Need to get some focus mitts and they have a 25% sale this weekend. What ones should I get if they do?
how effective is guard pummeling? I've been told I have heavy hands and always liked how Marciano used to just pummel peoples guards and arms so that their guards lowered and their punch output wained. it probably wouldnt work at a short-form amateur level, but is fun to consider I suppose.