only gymcel NEETs have the time to spend in the gym to do isolations. Most people are natural and most people have a hard time devoting 4-5 hours a week to the gym, which means compounds are superior for those types of people.
>only gymcel NEETs have the time to spend in the gym to do isolations
No >Most people are natural
No way, unbeliavable >and most people have a hard time devoting 4-5 hours a week to the gym
Most people can't define and/or prioritize what they actually want, of course they won't have discipline to dedicate 4 measly hours a week to their body >which means compounds are superior for those types of people
False premise aside, yes, compounds should be the foundation of every workout whatever you are (average health-seeking person, bodybuilder, powerlifter, other sports athlete, etc), however there is MUCH to be gained from isolation work
Even football players, swimmers and fighters do isolations, imagine if a fricking bodybuilder wouldn't benefit from it
But keep doing your OHP only my dude, not my problem
>Even football players, swimmers and fighters do isolations
Yes, people that do sports and their muscular performance is directly tied to the amount of money they make.
I also never said anything about isolations being useless, just that people tend to not have time for them.
When you grow up, you'll likely see what I'm talking about
>dont have time for them >can literally do 3 sets that take about 30-45 seconds twice a week (in addition to the compounds)
Quit making excuses like a child, take responsibility of your actions
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It takes longer than 45 seconds to do 3 sets moron.
If you've done the compounds properly, the muscle is sufficiently fatigued.
Have you ever lifted weights before?
You can do a circuit every so often with dumbbells at home, Hammer Curls to Arnold Presses (focus on one arm until it fatigues and switch) and finish off with some lateral raises. Would take you at most like 15 minutes to complete, work with tension as well.
This with a slight lean forward and thumbs up for max ergo.
My gains shot up when I incorporated these. I can do 40lbs for 4x8 and I used to be stalled on 25lbs dbs.
bear crawls, specifically backwards bear crawls. More of an endurance workout so you get ultra volume and you naturally reach full rom while also working your entire shoulder, core, and legs.
only gymcel NEETs have the time to spend in the gym to do isolations. Most people are natural and most people have a hard time devoting 4-5 hours a week to the gym, which means compounds are superior for those types of people.
It takes 10 minutes for me to add an isolation superset at the end of my workouts, oh dreaded powershitter. When bulking and on PPL, my push day ends with cabble twists, tricep pull downs, and cable lat raises for 3 sets. You can skip isolation work if you want and will make decent gains until an intermediate level, but there's no reason not to incorporate isolation work if you want more gains (at any point, and particularly afterw noob gains are done). Making up hyperbolic BS to try to scare people away from curls and lat raises is moronic.
Unilateral cable lat raises are pretty good. Set the cable low, lean away from the pillar, and pull the handle with the cable between your legs.
Alternatively, stand up straight and pull it all the way across your body.
DB wise you can like on a steep incline bench and do them that way so you're less likely to cheat.
I tend to do these in the 12-20 rep ranges. Anything heavier and I can raise them just fine, but when I put my arms down I get an intense pain in my shoulder joint.
This is your best bet OP. Like others have said, lat raises with different angle variations or cable lat raises. It's not something to worry too much about but it absolutely helps with size and stabilization. Unless you're OHPing regularly you're not hitting your side delts much at all. As a noob 90% of your work should be heavy compounds, but lat raises are one if a handful of useful isolation lifts that anyone can benefit from.
Unilateral cable lat raises are pretty good. Set the cable low, lean away from the pillar, and pull the handle with the cable between your legs.
Alternatively, stand up straight and pull it all the way across your body.
DB wise you can like on a steep incline bench and do them that way so you're less likely to cheat.
I tend to do these in the 12-20 rep ranges. Anything heavier and I can raise them just fine, but when I put my arms down I get an intense pain in my shoulder joint.
I do these slightly bent over, and my arms are angled slightly inwards, at like a 30 degree angle to the line of my shoulders, and stretched out fully. I go above shoulder level and do a little pause at the top. I think this is good form because i never feel it in my traps, i get a sick burn in my side delts and i don't get any joint pain.
Take the Lu raises pill. Been doing lateral raises for like 6 months and never felt them properly. Lately started doing Lu raises and finally feel like my side delta are growing.
there is none. my shoulders explode in size from this and OHP combined like nothing else
What about rear delts, or do you not train them at all?
Rows and facepulls
Arm circles
what is the definitive way you are supposed to do lat raises?
Arms straight out, hold for time (5-10 counts) they are an isometric exercise not a dynamic one.
With cable, one armed
Now we're talking
I second this 100%
only gymcel NEETs have the time to spend in the gym to do isolations. Most people are natural and most people have a hard time devoting 4-5 hours a week to the gym, which means compounds are superior for those types of people.
>only gymcel NEETs have the time to spend in the gym to do isolations
No
>Most people are natural
No way, unbeliavable
>and most people have a hard time devoting 4-5 hours a week to the gym
Most people can't define and/or prioritize what they actually want, of course they won't have discipline to dedicate 4 measly hours a week to their body
>which means compounds are superior for those types of people
False premise aside, yes, compounds should be the foundation of every workout whatever you are (average health-seeking person, bodybuilder, powerlifter, other sports athlete, etc), however there is MUCH to be gained from isolation work
Even football players, swimmers and fighters do isolations, imagine if a fricking bodybuilder wouldn't benefit from it
But keep doing your OHP only my dude, not my problem
>Even football players, swimmers and fighters do isolations
Yes, people that do sports and their muscular performance is directly tied to the amount of money they make.
I also never said anything about isolations being useless, just that people tend to not have time for them.
When you grow up, you'll likely see what I'm talking about
>dont have time for them
>can literally do 3 sets that take about 30-45 seconds twice a week (in addition to the compounds)
Quit making excuses like a child, take responsibility of your actions
It takes longer than 45 seconds to do 3 sets moron.
If you've done the compounds properly, the muscle is sufficiently fatigued.
Have you ever lifted weights before?
You can do a circuit every so often with dumbbells at home, Hammer Curls to Arnold Presses (focus on one arm until it fatigues and switch) and finish off with some lateral raises. Would take you at most like 15 minutes to complete, work with tension as well.
This with a slight lean forward and thumbs up for max ergo.
My gains shot up when I incorporated these. I can do 40lbs for 4x8 and I used to be stalled on 25lbs dbs.
I like this one better, makes my delts burn
dis is de wey
hell yeah how little weight this permits me to do without cheating my ass off while also destroying my delts
Lateral raise machine
Cable, or a machine.
delts are purely genetic. just do ohp and don't bother with shit like raises and other isolation crap
Ohp mostly does front delts not lateral
Post body
Shit physique 100% guaranteed
You can just post body and if you look good you win but you won't and instead are arguing like women like to do, post your body know-it-all
upright row
do you use barbell or dumbbells?
bear crawls, specifically backwards bear crawls. More of an endurance workout so you get ultra volume and you naturally reach full rom while also working your entire shoulder, core, and legs.
What a dumb frick lmao
It takes 10 minutes for me to add an isolation superset at the end of my workouts, oh dreaded powershitter. When bulking and on PPL, my push day ends with cabble twists, tricep pull downs, and cable lat raises for 3 sets. You can skip isolation work if you want and will make decent gains until an intermediate level, but there's no reason not to incorporate isolation work if you want more gains (at any point, and particularly afterw noob gains are done). Making up hyperbolic BS to try to scare people away from curls and lat raises is moronic.
This is your best bet OP. Like others have said, lat raises with different angle variations or cable lat raises. It's not something to worry too much about but it absolutely helps with size and stabilization. Unless you're OHPing regularly you're not hitting your side delts much at all. As a noob 90% of your work should be heavy compounds, but lat raises are one if a handful of useful isolation lifts that anyone can benefit from.
post body
I started incorporating Lu raises into my routine last week.
Every powershitter pretending to be an olympic weight lifter, laughable.
I’m just a guy trying to build muscle.
They aren't for muscle building reasons, they are done for shoulder mobility and such.
snatch grip high pull, btn press. doing muh shoulder day with just lateral raises is homosexualy
Unilateral cable lat raises are pretty good. Set the cable low, lean away from the pillar, and pull the handle with the cable between your legs.
Alternatively, stand up straight and pull it all the way across your body.
DB wise you can like on a steep incline bench and do them that way so you're less likely to cheat.
I tend to do these in the 12-20 rep ranges. Anything heavier and I can raise them just fine, but when I put my arms down I get an intense pain in my shoulder joint.
I do these slightly bent over, and my arms are angled slightly inwards, at like a 30 degree angle to the line of my shoulders, and stretched out fully. I go above shoulder level and do a little pause at the top. I think this is good form because i never feel it in my traps, i get a sick burn in my side delts and i don't get any joint pain.
Take the Lu raises pill. Been doing lateral raises for like 6 months and never felt them properly. Lately started doing Lu raises and finally feel like my side delta are growing.
you literally do this exact movement on the ground doing a reverse bear crawl while also training your legs and your core.