Is bonebroth just a meme? Currently boiling down a chicken carcass to make some stock and I'm considering just drinking cups of it throughout the week. Got me thinking about making bone broth with pig/cow bones as I heard there are benefits, but not sure if it's just a meme
You can use beef or pork bones
i mean is it a meme in terms of gains? probably,
is it a meme in terms of saving money? no.
why dont you just make soup bro? why would you drink it by itself?
I'd planned to use it for a gravy for a roast chicken next week, but I could definitely make a soup. Any recipes you'd recommend?
wish i could help you off the top of my head. im think about trying my hand at pho next week though. it would probably be a good base for that
no dramas mate, thanks anyway
leek n potato is hard to frick up and absolutely delicious with a chicken stock
also consider using it part in place of water for longer boil carbs - rice, buckwheat, pearl barley, keenwah etc
lastly, anything stewy is going to enjoy it - goulash, bouillabaisse, gumbo. these are probably a little advanced though.
basically, stock is gud, and sure you can just drink the stuff for those unctuous collagen benefits, but using it in regular cooking will make your regular cooking extra delicious and still give you said nutritional karma.
Use an instant pot/pressure cooker
It’s faster, less work and way better results than you can get by babying a pot on the stove
>babying a pot
you mean sticking it on low heat and coming back in 5 hours?
I have an instant pot but with a big carcass its much easier in a dutch oven
A meme? They're a tasty way to reuse otherwise wasted parts of a meal you already had.
They make good soups, good gravy, good sauces. And they taste better than store bought stock cubes.
None of that is a meme. It does mean more washing up - the pot you reduce the stock with, whatever you filter out the bones etc with (I hate washing seives). But you get tastier meals.
Roast dinner? Great gravy just add some thickener and maybe a pinch of salt.
Cottage pie? Add that stock that to the cooked mince and sautéed onions, (chopped carrots optional). Add a bay leaf, splash of red wine and some dried basil. Top with mashed potatoes and a little grated cheese.
Chanko nabe (aka sumo stew) - simmer the stock with grated ginger, garlic, onions sauce and sake (or mirin). Then add it to a pot of fresh, finely chopped vegs and meats (e.g. Pork, bacon, chicken, fish, seafood) and simmer for a further 10 minutes until it's cooked through (pic related). Serve with rice or eat alone (and drink the leftover broth or you're gay). Pic related.
Is it a meme? Idk is good food a meme? No. Does it do anything special? Idk less waste and more taste. Say no more, it's already fricking worth it.
I mean drinking bone broth on its own, that seems to be the leading health trend at the moment
The main benefit I see people tout is how much collagen bone broth has, which is how your skin maintains elasticity. These are true, bone broth is rich in a bunch of vitamins and minerals but it's more of a way of getting it naturally rather than taking supplements
Im pretty sure a lot of people use it for multiday fasts
That Sumo Stew sounds good thanks
Cheers sounds good
Looks good.
>I am now erect
Too pretty to make into bone broth
Here's my pressure cook prepped ramen broth ingredients. Chicken bones, chicken feet, pig hooves, ginger and garlic
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I made this shit from lamb bones and it had a foul taste to it, which I don't know if it came from the gaminess of the lamb or because I didn't take out to scum that pools at the top, but I did not eat it. Next time I think I'll just roast it and just suck out the marrow.
>I didn't take out to scum that pools at the top
that was your issue, calling someone scum is a derogatory term for a reason
Lamb has that gland or whatever in the legs that you have to remove when cooked otherwise it makes everything taste like shit. Not sure if you did that
its not a meme but dont use bird bones for bone broth, use oxtail bones
boil oxtail in a pot for a long time. you can reuse the bones for awhile
Costs frickiung $70
It is a smart idea to consume food rich in collagen, but it's rendered pointless by cooking.
Collagen denatures at quite low temperatures (39-40°C for mammals), which means that your body will struggle a lot to even use it.
One of the best sources of collagen is bone marrow. You can eat it raw, it doesn't really taste like anything.
Alternatively, you can rub it between the palms of your hands until it melts, and apply it to your skin (face, neck, arms, etc.).
This works wonders against wrinkles. Your skin will also be hydrated for days on end.
Try to find a butcher that'll get you grass fed beef bones and tell him to cut them length-wise. Huge amounts of nutrition there, at a low cost.
>which means that your body will struggle a lot to even use it.
bullshit.
You basically digest it all anyway. It doesn't matter that it breaks down
Anyway, I wouldn't drink it. Just seems like a waste. You could drink something much more pleasant instead, and save the stock for cooking.
No, it's not.
yes it is, how tf do you think protein digestion works?
there are literally morons on IST that think your body just assimilates stuff into it like akira. its not worth arguing with them.
Stomach acids and enzymes break down everything, not heat. Bacteria in your intestines eat the resulting product, and they shit, piss and sweat nutrients that you need.
The lacteal system collects these nutrients and delivers them to the rest of the body.
Proteins that have been exposed to heat are only partially absorbed. A lot of them just exit your digestive tract and end up pooped out.
You have been burning and reducing the nutrient density of your food your entire life, and you refuse to acknowledge your moronation.
>i added a picture with some words on it so it must be true!
you are a fricking moron. kys
>Stage 2 of grief: anger.
Cool idea Mr Pottenger
Counterpoint: you are not a cat. A cat is an obligate carnivore specialised in eating a whole animal
You are a hominid coevolved with things like fire, and tool use. Next you'll talk about the things vegans talk about when they look at teeth. It's irrelevant, because your ancestors have had fire and tools for between 100 and 200 THOUSAND years.
but wait! he posted a screenshot of an IST thread. bet you feel breddy stupid now
don't be such a meanie, if IST user Professional Spaniard chooses to identify as a cat then we should accept him as a cat, and if that means he has to follow a raw meat diet, then society should accept him doing so.
>Stage 3 of grief: bargaining
Humans are obligate carnivores. Our digestive tract has no ability to digest cellulose, lacks the multiple stomachs required, and our body temperature is not high enough to use vegetable oils (ruminants' body temp is several degrees higher).
That's the reason why people today are sicker than they have ever been, severe malnutrition. Almost all the population follows a plant-based diet, and whatever little meat they eat is heavily cooked or processed.
meow meow
Milk is not "poison" to cats. All cats can drink milk with no issue as long as it's raw. "Lactose" intolerance is caused by pasteurization. You just fell for the propaganda.
If it's such a horrible poison to them, please explain why the cats drinking RAW milk thrived.
>Humans are obligate carnivores.
are you sure you know what that word means kitten?
>humans are obligate carnivores
No we're not lmao. T. Life expectancy in the 80s
>we're sicker than ever
Yeah because we're fatter than ever, eating a vast excess compared to our evolutionary history. And exposed to pollution in the form of cigarettes, burning solid fuels indoors, close proximity to car exhaust, particularly bad with poorly maintened engines. The food is an irrelevant factor. But yeah burned food is also bad.
Severe malnutrition only happens in the western world through abuse or mental illness.
And the inuits eat the whole animal, which is filled with nutrients in the way that only muscle meat isn't. And they don't eat it raw. They have fire, dingus.
Humans don't need to be fricking herbivores (you're talking about ruminants, animals specialised in eating green plants, the most extreme kind of herbivore). We have fire. And very similar digestive systems to omnivorous (and primarily but not exclusively, fructivorous) chimpanzees because - shocker - we share a common ancestor mere millions of years ago.
>Our digestive tract has no ability to digest cellulose, lacks the multiple stomachs required
Neither do elephants
We are animals, just like cats. Every animal on the planet eats its meat raw, except for humans. Do you think we have a biological adaptation to eating cooked meat? Can you point to any evidence of such an adaptation? This isea that we are beyond or above nature is ridiculous. We're animals and our bodies follow the laws of nature just like any other beast's. "You're not a cat" is such a moronic argument.
we were mocking her 'evidence' for the claim that 'your body will struggle a lot to even use [collagen exposed to temperatures >40*C]'
i.e. regardless of the validity of Pottenger's study, its irrelevant because a cats digestive system is not a humans. Incidentally, we now know that cats need taurine, which cooked meat lacks. We also know that humans don't, perhaps because human's aren't obligate carnivores, and definitely because they're not cats.
Do you think we have a biological adaptation to eating cooked meat?
Yes. Biologically. Humans have been cooking for tens, probably hundreds, of thousands of years. Europeans adapted to drinking cows milk in under ten thousand years.
>Can you point to any evidence of such an adaptation?
There are zero (0) human cultures that do not cook their food with fire. In the amazon, in deep Australia, in the grass fields of Mongolia (where they cook with dried sheep's dung when they cannot find wood). Everyone cooks at least somethings. Not all the food, but every human culture ever known does it. Answer me this, if we are obligate carnivores for whom raw meat is best, why do the raw meat purists only appear in the 20th century?
Also, finally, you know that animals eat different things yeah? The ideal diet for a blue whale is hundreds of kilos of krill (basically shrimp) every day during the summer and almost nothing during the winter. But an orca - same group of mammals - must eat whole seal, or whole penguin, or blue whale young. They can't eat krill. Want to draw any conclusions about what homosexual sapiens should eat from the diet of cetoids?
Humans have been eating grains for 15,000 years, yet we aren't adapted to it. We thrive on meat, fruit, honey, and dairy. Just because we've done something for a while doesn't mean we're adapted to it. So that isn't evidence. Do you have any evidence that cooked meat is in any way healthier or more nutritious than raw?
>why do the raw meat purists only appear in the 20th century?
Inuits have been eating raw meat for generations. Other hunter gatherer tribes eat raw organs. They generally eat both cooked and raw meat. I never claimed to be a raw mest purist. I only questioned your claim that we have a fundamentally different anatomy from other animals such that we thrive on cooked meat and they don't.
>Also, finally, you know that animals eat different things yeah?
Irrelevant. Out of millions of carnivorous and omnivorous animals on the planet, we're the ONLY one that cooks our meat. Why do none of those animals get debilitating parasites like we're told we'll get if we eat raw meat? Why does EVERY SINGLE MAMMAL ON THIS PLANET other than humans thrive on raw meat? Can you explain that? You can't, because you just hold a faith-based belief that cooked meat is better than raw. Because you've been told so your entire life. Show me a case of an interventional study on cooked vs raw meat in humans and maybe I'll take you seriously. Otherwise, the Pottenger study is the best we've got. That, and associations/correlations, from which we can only make our educated guesses.
Again, I'm not even a raw meat purist. I just don't like your fallacious arguments. They don't hold any water. I eat raw meat every single day and I feel incredible. People should not fear it.
we're also the only animal that purifies their water anon. and the only animal that wears clothes and sleeps under blankets.
i trust you consider it healthier to drink from puddles and sleep naked in a pile of leaves?
We're also the only animal that drinks fluridated water and uses bright lights at night, disrupting our circadian rhythm. What is the point you're trying to make here? Just because humans do a thing doesn't mean it's optimally healthy.
Dairy can be tolerated by some, and it's from an animal. Not everyone can drink it, but those who can will thrive on it. It has plenty of bioavailable nutrients because it's designed to be drank. Grains are the seeds (babies) of the plants. They're infused with anti-nutrients to prevent predation; thus, they're by far the worst natural food you can consume. We're quite literally dumber, with smaller brains and higher rates of osteoporosis and dental problems because of grain consumption and not enough fat soluble vitamins like K2.
We have the same organs as cats and a sinilar digestive structure. Again, you're just assuming that because we are different species, they thrive on raw meat and we don't. Again, every single fricking animal on this planet that eats meat thrives on raw meat. You have yet to address this point because you don't have a response. And you'll keep ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm glad you feed your cat raw food. It's obviously what they're designed to eat. More people should. Side note: even though cats have been domesticated for thousands of years, presumably being fed some of our cooked meat scraps, they still unquestionably thrive on raw meat. So why haven't they adapted to cooked meat but we have?
Again, I'm asking for ANY evidence that cooked meat is healthier: some enzyme in our gut designed for cooked meat digestion, some benefit to cooked over raw, ANYTHING. You still haven't provided one. Yet we agree that cooking destroys some nutrients and denatures some proteins, right? So we know that cooking is destructive, but you still haven't explained why it's helpful.
I'll keep typing until you make a coherent argument.
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Wait why are grains bad but dairy okay? Anyway, some people can't handle grains (and most people can't handle dairy, most people aren't white fwiw)
Given that most people eat cooked meat and agree it tastes better, you need to provide evidence that raw meat is better. That Pottenger "study" is genuinely worthless. Not even worth considering - except as information for feeding your cat. I feed my cat raw food btw - I agree it's better for them. Rabbit, ground bone and beef liver. She fricking loves it.
I eat raw meat! I like sushi, I like my steak rare. It's good. Yes, I am aware that inuits ate cooked and raw meat, that doesn't change my point though, does it?
Regarding parasites: parasites generally coevolve with their primary host. They want to get as much as possible while diminishing the fitness of the host as little as possible (so they can keep thriving). It's generally only practices like farming and human society (incredibly dense by evolutionary standards!) that cause enough density that parasites can be debilitating. But it's worth noting that parasites are absolutely endemic in nature. Extremely common, from top to bottom. I used to keep spiders and your advised NOT to feed then from bugs you find in your garden. Because they'll likely have parasites and you spider will get sick. Only modern farming practice has largely eliminated them with modern drugs. The more you know.
When archaeologists find ancient human settlements (actually, any human settlements) they'll find middens and semi fossilised poops. Coprolites. Most humans were riddled with parasites for most of our history. And certain people, like the biggest poop ever found, believed to belong to a monk who ate mostly meat. He was also infested with worms from eating so much meat. But that's society for you, if your priveleged it doesn't matter if you're not fit!
Anyway, anon, we're the only animal that does a lot of things. Like writing. Can you stop now?
>Most humans were riddled with parasites
Many of those "parasites" were probably actually symbiotes. Modern people have a pathological fear of microbes and they tend to assume everything that isn't a human cell is harmful to us, yet we've known for decades that a healthy microbiome is necessary for good health. We literally suffer from more disease if we're born by c-section because we're supposed to acquire our mother's microbiome when we go through her vegana.
Not to mention, if it's something that really concerns you, herbs and spices can be used to parasite cleanse periodically. So what's the point of cooking? Best case scenario, you kill off some pathogens as well as a bunch of helpful microbes, or you destroy some toxins that the animal either produced (like snake venom) or consumed.
If cats get sick from eating cooked meat, it is at least something to look into in humans. So why aren't those studies being done? Aren't you even a little curious?
Holy shit. I love the follow up with the presumption of LAMARCKIAN EVOLUTION. Whilst poisoning cats with fricking MILK. Most mammals, basically with the exception of north European humans and maybe some others, don't have lactase persistence into adulthood. So milk is a mild poison for cats. Maybe overstating it a bit - but it's bad for them to be drinking it all the time. Small one off doses are harmless but unpleasant (for them). It's poison as part of a regular diet.
So yeah. This isn't even science. It's quackery.
you've just made more claims and repeated your previous claim instead of linking to anything (peer reviewed). pictures of text describing an experiment ostensibly involving placing boiled frogs in 'a carnivore's digestive fluids' are barely relevant to your point.
if you wish to eat things raw, thats fine, feel free.
Peer review is a joke.
Peer review is not a stamp of truth, just a bare minimum for reading critically.
>Carnivore digest raw meat easier than cooked
>That somehow translates to human omnivore digestion
Ok
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Are you moronic?
It's difficult for our body to digest collagen. It need to break it down into aminoacids. You know how you can achieve that? By boiling it... you get hidrolized collagen, aka broken into aminoacids. The form that our body can easily digest... that's why we cook food...
It's an awesome source of all aminoacids that your body will use to make collagen. The issue is that you also need vitamin c, preferably from wholefoods. Without it those animoacids are useless. So eat some kiwis or add bell peper to your broth.
i love using bone broth (oxtail or cow bones) for my instant cup ramen
tripgay doesnt lift. strong DYEL vibes
this thread could have been a cool thread about soup but some egotistical homosexual had to shit it up. shame that
Stage of grief 4: depression.
He's furiously googling inuit diet and culture rn kek
>Bone broth
a literal meme
Btw dinner tonight is lamb steaks marinated in chili and garlic with some mashed potatoes and cavolo nero
Amateur Iberian on suicide watch
Looking good.
>guy that eats like a normal human instead of following meme diets posts a clean kitchen with nice cookware instead of IST infographics
really makes you think, huh
Isley's fat. He doesn't eat like a "normal human." All of it is probably for him.
Bone broth is based for connective tissue gains. I felt certain ligaments healing when I started drinking it. The only problem is that I can't find a way to make bone broth that doesn't upset my stomach. So I only make and drink it once in a while. Raw bone marrow is great, too.
Bone broth is a meme pushed originally by paleo shills. Its just stock. Go buy stock. Or make it. Its not magic and it won't fix Amy of your problems. Superfoods dont exist, stop trying to find miracle cures.
Calling broth bone broth is moronic unless you've ground up the bones into the broth.