I've been working out at home for a bit but I'm thinking of trying out martial arts to get fitter and stronger, for the mental gainz (I have issues) and be able to defend myself, because literally every other week I get harassed by a random ass junkie "Hey! What are you lookin at, huh? You got a problem with me!?". Also of course the social aspect, as a hobby, for increased self-esteem, apparently it can offer a bunch of benefits.
Stats: 27 year old, 168cm, 67kg, skinnyfat, just work out at home but doesn't even look lile I lift tbh, no experience with any martial art
I checked out martial gyms but Jesus fricking Christ, most of them are extremely expensive. But I also found this: a sports club in my vicinity where I can train judo for a very affordable price and if I pay 10€ more I can also join boxing in a different location but from the same sports club.
The question is, judo or boxing? I am leaning a bit more towards judo, because I think throwing someone on concrete hurts more than a punch from a 168cm dude. Can smaller guys even throw dudes that are like 15cm taller and heavier?
But I really ask for your help, I can't tell. I thought about doing both, but won't it be too much for the start? I literally never trained cardio in my life, should I not have at least some cardio before boxing? Also, I am a bit scared because I am a social autist (NEET, no friend for 15+ years) and the gyms are in a worse part of town. What if I go there and they start some shit?
I need advice, fit. Maybe some stories! Did anyone else here start a martial art so late?
I will stay here for replies and any questions.
if you want to defend yourself the best way is boxing because you want to end a street fight as fast as possible
I agree. But I am a lightweight short dude, like I said. Almost everyone is bigger and heavier. Wouldn't the fight end faster when I bash his head in the concrete instead of trying to knock him out? Then again, I did see some youtube videos where dudes get hit in the jaw and drop, but I don't know how much punching power my pathetic physique could generate .
Nontheless, thanks for the reply, +1 vote for boxing.
Muay thai + sprawl
I was looking for Muay Thai gyms, but sadly they are 4x as expensive as the judo sports club and 2,5x as expensive as boxing. I genuinely can't afford it.
just do judo and bulk
>27 year old, 168cm, 67kg, skinnyfat
bro .... wtf were u doing
>27 year old, 168cm
Uhhhh. sorry? Haha.
But yeah, I am lifting weights and bulking (trying). I used to weight as little as 62kg, but I am up to 67 kg. I know with my height there is only so much weight I cna put on but I try.
Thank your for the indepth informational reply, you really replied to my concerns.
take up judo. like, boxing is good and all, but you don't use your legs there and most junkies expect you to throw punches like in boxing, plus you can't really throw a heavy ko punch while you weigh 67kg. meanwhile in judo you'll learn how to throw which will give you element of surprise since no one (while in a fight) expects you to close the distance, let alone throw them.
throwing lanklets is at easy as it gets, rule of thumb is more height=easier to throw. to throw heavier people (20kg+ heavier than you) you'll need to have a good technique but it's totally doable. my uke is 115kg while I'm 90kg and i can throw him no problem, of course not every throw is as efficient and doable but that's just the way things are.
so judo.
boxing.
i'm 18 year old 167 cm and 75 kg (tysonmaxxing) eastern european guy and i have been boxing for 2 years now.
due to my limited english skills, i can't really explain why, but getting punched in the face and punching other people in the face gives you a type of confidence that nothing else will.
> 167 cm and 75 kg
Holy shit, how? A combination of boxing and weightlifting? Are you younger or an old man like me?
>due to my limited english skills, i can't really explain why
You can just write it in your native language and I can auto-translate it with Google Translator!
>A combination of boxing and weightlifting?
yes, you can gain weight too it's not impossible you just have to be very patient and eat a lot. (don't be afraid to dirtybulk sometimes, kfc is very good for bulking for example)
> Are you younger or an old man like me?
i just turned 18 a week ago. i was born on 2005 03 21.
> You can just write it in your native language and I can auto-translate it with Google Translator!
ok, i'll try.
box olyan magabiztosságot ad amit semmi más nem tud szerintem. engem is megvertek párszor magasabb nehezebb srácok az edzéseken de utána maga a tény, hogy túléltem nem ütöttek ki, kibírtam azt hogy egy nagyobb emberrel verekszek hatalmas magabiztosaágot adott.
judo-ban nincsen ez szerintem.
Thanks for sharing this experience, I can understand where you're coming from.
Hungarian truly is monstrous.
judo isn't neccesarly bad but it won't change your mindset and help you become more confident, and most judo gyms are mcdojos.
>most judo gyms are mcdojos.
I don't know, you can get bad gyms with any martial... of course that would suck a lot. But the first time is always a "test training", maybe I can tell if it is good or not. Do you maybe know any things to look out for? Maybe a really fat trainer or something?
>Boxing or judo
do both
For self defense, one grappling art and one striking art are what you need. The two most common attacks are
1) wild haymaker punch
2) sloppy tackle or takedown
Boxing will deal with number 1 and judo will deal with number 2.
>I thought about doing both, but won't it be too much for the start?
start with one and work up to doing both
>What if I go there and they start some shit?
there are shitty gyms out there. do your homework, check the gyms out to see whether people are buttholes.
>and most judo gyms are mcdojos.
It's hard to find mcdojos for judo since it's an olympic sport and it's harder to fake grappling than it is striking.
>Also, I am a bit scared because I am a social autist
me too. scariest part is the trial class. once you're in there and people are welcoming, it gets easier.
here is my routine:
> monday: chest back
> tuesday: mittwork/drilling with a partner
> wednesday: shadowboxing, heavybag, mittwork, skipping
> thursday: neck, abs, forarm, speedbag, some boxing drills
> friday: sparring
> saturday: rest
> sunday: legs or rest
>> tuesday: drilling with a partner
>tuesday: drilling partner
The guy on the right is Nathan Gerbe a 166 cm 80 kg heavy former NHL player.
You can build muscle anon, belive in yourself.
I mean, I know that, thanks. But this is more about what martial arts to choose and other anons experiences. Also, I do not like comparing myself to professional athletes.
Frick this with 27 with no pro fighting experience at all.
You will get to deal with machines who have been into judo on the international level since 10 or 12.
>You will get to deal with machines who have been into judo on the international level since 10 or 12.
I highly doubt that. From the looks of it, OP wants to protect himself from street junkies and thugs. I doubt those are professional fighters.
Ye, but everyone else in his section.
>I thought about doing both, but won't it be too much for the start?
Yes. It would be better to start with one. Then after a while change over to the other and focus on that, then doing both at the same time.
>I literally never trained cardio in my life, should I not have at least some cardio before boxing?
Absolutely. ideally you should start with some light jogging like coach to 5k to build up your LISS base, then after that include things like sprints, condtioning workouts like burpees, push ups, squats, jumping etc.
>But I am a lightweight short dude, like I said. Almost everyone is bigger and heavier. Wouldn't the fight end faster when I bash his head in the concrete instead of trying to knock him out?
In MMA fights the smaller dude if there is a size/weight difference ALWAYS tries to avoid taking it to wrestling/grappling and always tries to keep it at striking. Almost never you see the smaller dude try grapple with the heavier. But why are you so concerned with getting in to a fight? You are 27 years old.
> I am a bit scared because I am a social autist (NEET, no friend for 15+ years) and the gyms are in a worse part of town. What if I go there and they start some shit?
You get to work on your social skills and how to escalate with banter.
Why have you been a NEET wtih no friends for 15 years man? That is some serious shit
Thank you for the detailed answer. I believe my plan is this: Start judo, at the same time to jogging and build up my endurance, after I can jog for a good while (maybe 2 months or so? I don't even know how long this takes), then I implement boxing. So ideally, after 2 months, if the gyms are good, I do both judo and boxing 1-2 times a week.
Sounds good?
>Why have you been a NEET wtih no friends for 15 years man? That is some serious shit
Sorry, maybe I worded it a bit weird. I do not have any friend for 15+ years, that is true, but I have "only" been a NEET for 6 months. So I wrote, I am a NEET + no friend for 15 years, basically what I'm trying to say is, I don't really socialize with anyone.
Your welcome.
> Start judo, at the same time to jogging and build up my endurance, after
No that is a not a good idea. Judo/boxing will be very tiring for you as you have no cardio, you have little work capacity. Combining judo or boxing with jogging when you can't even do one of those things alone is a bad idea, you will overdo it. This will happen
>and first time I went to my uni boxing gym I was heaving and had to sit out every other exercise so as not to pass out, while fit uni students were just going at it. After a few weeks I could go without a break, a few more and I could go without an inhaler. Be prepared to be the moron sitting out for a break though
So either you start with cardio now, do it for 2-3 months, then start with judo
or you do start with judo, do that for 3-4 months, then you add in cardio, then after 2-3 months you add in boxing
or you start with judo, 3-4 months, then you start with boxing, then after that add cardio
There will be some cardio in the martial art training and that will kick your ass cus you are out of shape, and you will need to rest after workouts so you can't be doing cardio on the side.
Eventually after a couple of years you can do it, but starting it all at once is not a good idea.
Thanks for the tip, seems I really will have to take it slower than expected. I will choose one of those 3 options. Gotta call up the gyms and ask if I can come over for a test-training. Hopefully they are nice.
Do boxing. I have heard some boomers day judo is good, but how can you throw someone if you can't get close enough to grab them?
As a shortie, taller people will just throw jabs at you. You need to do a lot of boxing technique to be able to slip in and land a hit.
Although in a street fight, anything could happen.
always choose boxing for practicality, judo also practical but have higher learning curve so you need more time to actually master it.
> I'm thinking of trying out martial arts to get fitter and stronger, for the mental gainz
Wrestling. wrestling and wrestling. throw in some boxing and you're set.
Gives you endurance and strength and if you get into a fight you can outrun anyone and if forced to fight you'll still have plenty of energy left while the other fricker is coughing his lungs out.
>Wrestling. wrestling and wrestling.
adult wrestling class is a myth
There's adult wrestling classes and a gym here.
Its not some unicorn, certainly depends on the region and some areas/countries have more than others but just gotta look around.
>I think throwing someone on concrete hurts more than a punch from a 168cm dude.
>Can smaller guys even throw dudes that are like 15cm taller and heavier?
I think you're meant to be able to, but it probably only works in some contrived scenario where he leans forward into a massive Haymaker or something.
>But I really ask for your help, I can't tell. I thought about doing both, but won't it be too much for the start? I literally never trained cardio in my life, should I not have at least some cardio before boxing?
Try a lesson. Boxing clubs vary wildly. I'm asthmatic, and first time I went to my uni boxing gym I was heaving and had to sit out every other exercise so as not to pass out, while fit uni students were just going at it. After a few weeks I could go without a break, a few more and I could go without an inhaler. Be prepared to be the moron sitting out for a break though. I guarantee must people there will respect you for having such hardship and improving out of it.
>Also, I am a bit scared because I am a social autist (NEET, no friend for 15+ years) and the gyms are in a worse part of town. What if I go there and they start some shit?
Just don't make eye contact with gopniks. If you're really scared, consider getting the bus there and back. Btw, the crackheads trying to start fights with you are likely doing it because they feel like you're challenging their masculinity (eye contact, resting b***h face) but they think they can take you, so aren't afraid to challenge you right back and 'win'.
>I need advice, fit. Maybe some stories! Did anyone else here start a martial art so late?
There are some old people in my boxing gym (50+ fat construction workers), they punch hard but have bad footwork. How are your knees?
boxing + greco-roman wrestling
There is no reason to not do both but start with one at a time.
Number 1 tip in street fights: run. If you can't run, train boxing + some sort of grappling like bjj, wrestling, judo. A lot of guys say to go with judo because concrete hurts but I personally wouldn't want to kill someone. I do see the appeal though
>A lot of guys say to go with judo because concrete hurts but I personally wouldn't want to kill someone.
Come on bro, don't be so lame.
Nothing I can say that other anons haven't.
>What if I go there and they start some shit?
That's not impossible but most people are alright and forgiving of awkwardness. Be genuine, work hard at it and you'll get along just fine.
Isn't judo one of those clown martial arts like karate and wing chun?
It's got some good throws. You need to learn how to apply it and follow through though.
you know 99.999999% of people just ignore the junkies, right? they don't start training boxing at 27 years old so they can frick up a crackhead who disrespected them. also, they're crackheads. they're like 100lbs soaking wet.
frick, i swear IST is more fixated on finding themselves in some street fight fantasy than they are making gains
Conveniently leaving out that OP also wants to start a martial art for
>the social aspect, as a hobby, for increased self-esteem, apparently it can offer a bunch of benefits.
With that kind of reading comprehension and cherry picking you could start working as a journalist.
>starting a martial art at 27
I'll be 26 soon, is it too late?
What about my dreams of becoming a world champion though? damn.....it's over
Better late than never
Sometimes, it's just too late.
It's over
whats wrong with that? if you stayed IST and active throughout your early to mid 20's i don't see a problem with trying out martial arts at that age.
>active early to mid 20s
>lived sedentary life until age 26
It's over. Gomenne, minna!
this is how you atone for years of gluttony and inactivity.
MAZAKA NOOOOO ONEGAI YAMEROOOOOO.
I'M TRYING TO CHANGE!
Judo and Kali imho if you are older and have never done grappling. You know how to punch, hit them with hooks and thrust with the palm unless hitting the body, don't bother with kicks at your age you need a light and young body for that.
Judo is an excellent martial art but takes a long time to learn, it's a very steep learning curve. You can learn some good boxing much quicker. The footwork and cardio gained from boxing is excellent too. I would start with boxing.
I will also say, from personal experience: the potential for catastrophic injuries is much higher in grappling arts, torn tendons, ligaments, etc. Striking arts injuries are more superficial, cuts/bruises etc (aside from the brain obviously, but just don't hard spar constantly/drink a lot of water/supplement with creatine). So think about what your body is capable of handling
Both.
That's why I train Kickboxing, much better choice. In Boxing you can't use your legs and in Judo you don't really throw any proper punches except throwing a guy around. In Kickboxing, you basically learn all you need for self defense and foghting in general. Next to that, I doubt someone of your size and weight would be able to throw someone around like that, so Judo is definitely not the best option