>Bro just bulk up 15lbs while doing abdominal routines and you'll 100% notice the difference in your ab growth
>do literally this, starting at 153lbs and up 15.
>.....
>no fricking difference
>No bro wtf you have to CUT back those 15lbs now to see the difference, the fat is hiding your gains, don't you get it??
>ok
>cut until I'm back to the weight I started at (153 lbs)
>....
>no fricking difference
What the literal FRICK is going on here?? Why the frick can't I get my abs to grow at all? I look at photos of myself before and after these bulks and cuts and my stomach looks THE EXACT FRICKING SAME. I do ab exercises EVERY FRICKING DAY.
Why doesn't this work???
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how tall are you?
5’9 or shorter and you’re near the natty peak for a six-pack.
you’ll need to dial in your program, supplementation, and rest but most of the natty gains have been gained.
I am 5'9 exactly, actually.
>you’ll need to dial in your program, supplementation, and rest but most of the natty gains have been gained.
can you elaborate? what exactly am I meant to be doing now? I do not have anything near resembling a 6 or a 4 pack for that matter. I have minimum outline of abs. I'm currently 150lbs and have no idea what to do. I was thinking bulk to 165 then cut back to 150 but...nothing seems to be giving me results??
could be one of any million things
we don’t have any visibility into your training, sleep or nutrition
get a coach
>get a coach
Okay coach, help. What should I do? I have no training set.
ditto
I have no idea how to properly train abs. I keep getting mixed info that doing just "10 minutes is enough" and that over training abs does nothing while other places say to spend 45+ minutes on abs alone. Like wtf do I listen to
tell me all of your ab sets per week
Well you’re not supposed to be doing ab exercises first of all. You train the abs primarily through other movements, common mistake. Look up Squat University videos on what exercises to do.
>Well you’re not supposed to be doing ab exercises first of all.
bro wtf.
Shut up, exercise and eat
what excercises
how much do I eat
when I do stop eating
keep cutting until you can see them
advice doesn't make sense because you had too high % of body fat to start with and you still do
I kept cutting until I was about 140 and my face (due to lack of facial fat) felt completely sunken in and looked nasty. Is "just lose more weight" really the answer? I feel like I'm just ruining my face by looking like a fricking skeleton
look at kids in africa and they all have abs
with low enough bodyfat % you will see your abs but if you don't like the way your other features look like you mentioned the only other thing you can do is maximize ab hypertrophy, which is getting to what the original advice was suggesting
but ab hypertrophy is pretty difficult
>look at kids in africa and they all have abs
...I probably don't need to say this but I don't want to look like a starving african, anon.
>with low enough bodyfat % you will see your abs
NTA, but with enough abdominal growth you will also see your abs at higher bodyfat %...due to them being bigger in size. This is still a muscle growth VS fat loss issue. You can have 0 ab development and see them if you starve yourself to 110lbs, yes, but that's not usually what people go for.
>just keep cutting
>bro just keep eating
Wow amazing advice!
well, which is it
1) don't ever bulk hard. 100-300 calories is what you should bulk at if you bulk at all. bulking/cutting cycles are a path to an eating disorder
2) how long can you hold an L-sit? Can you maintain an L-sit while doing dips? Can you perform an L-sit rope climb? How low can you manage on an ab wheel? How long can you hold a tuck planche? If you do have an answer to most of those questions switch to an ab routine that would generate some answers
OP here, please recommend me an ab routine that works. Ideally a video if one is out there.
This is literally the perfect example of "too much information". Googling ab routines will give me 4912371831783 hits. Well WHICH FRICKING ONE DO I STICK WITH
>please recommend me an ab routine that works
https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/exercises/core/
will look into it anon, thanks. Also I'm still 100% stuck on the nutrition side of all this.
Do I cut while doing this
Do I bulk while doing this
excercises are fine and all but I have no idea if I should be aiming to drop body fat % or up the body fat % along with upping muscle via bulk
unironically post body. you're probably too fat for their size. and to answer your question, you literally only need cable crunches and oblique side crunches on a back extension chair. 3x a week for abs, 2x a week for obliques. do obliques 1x a week if you have cursed thicc boy genetics.
My issue is my current weight is 150. I'm 5 ft 9. If the issue is "you're just too fat" how much more cutting am I expected to do? I have no issues losing further weight, weight loss is simple for me, not eating is simple for me, but is this the correct road to take here?
The thought of being in the 130lbs range at my height doesn't sound healthy at all and I'll look awful, not fit?. This is why I'm conflicted on just what I need to do here. I was actually going to post this elsewhere for advice, but sure here you go.
Note: yes I have loose skin on my lower stomach. I used to be over 250lbs so it's a holdover from that era
mios dio. you have no muscle and you're not lean. im not sure what else to say here. to put it in perspective, I'm almost 6'3 and 170 lbs and i am just barely starting to see abs. ive probably lost 40lbs of fat in about 7-8 months and am planning to lose another 7-12lbs.
are you counting calories? how often do you lift? what is your routine?
>you have no muscle and you're not lean. im not sure what else to say here.
Well specifically all I ask for is guidance on what is my next step from this current point to achieve better results? there's two options when it comes to food intake:
Do I continue to lose weight via cutting?
Do I gain weight while building muscle via bulking?
These are two opposite directions when it comes to a cut or a bulk. I am just unsure what direction is the one to go with?
>are you counting calories?
Yes. I was over 250lbs and I am now 150. The entire process involved calculating my TDEE and re-calculating the entire way. I am no stranger to weight loss and can easily continue doing it (if it's the correct path I need to take)
I do not lift every often, I have no set routine. I am unsure what routine to do or the frequency.
in my opinion you should eat in a small defecit or at maintenance and learn how to lift weights. you're completely untrained so you'll make gains either way. it's good that you learned weight management and that you're no longer a fat slob, that is part of the process as well.
eat 120g+ protein, maybe up to 20% tops of your calories should be from fat, the rest carbohydrate like fruits, whole grains, and beans. pasta and rice are fine too in moderation but stick to whole foods if you aren't planning on supplementing vitamins and minerals (which imo you should be doing regardless).
it doesn't matter what style of training you do, just learn your options. 5x5, brosplit, ppl. avoid powerlifting and if you do 5x5 stronglifts or starting strength learn higher volume bodybuilding style training as you get strong on compounds. find a form of cardio you like and practice it 3-4x a week for 20+ mins a day.
>in my opinion you should eat in a small defecit or at maintenance and learn how to lift weights.
>find a form of cardio you like and practice it 3-4x a week for 20+ mins a day.
I've always seen/treated cardio vs muscle building at two ends of each other, enemies in a way. Do you suggest 1 day of lifting, 1 day of cardio, then 1 day of lifting (cycle repeats)? because cardio days and lifting days seem to just kinda focus their own things? cardio for heart health+fat loss and lifting days for muscle growth?
i don't view it like that but if you are exercising hard every day and eating properly you're physique will improve.
holy shit dude you have no muscle mass. No BMI calc is going to be accurate and no body fat formula is going to be accurate because of how little muscle you have. just do the recommended routine in the body weight fitness reddit or a push/pull/legs barbell routine and eat at maintenance. I'm shocked you've decided to do a bulk/cut cycle without the actual working out part. what the frick. also do couch to 5k since there's a 100% chance you're unconditioned as well as weak. Do no respond to this post with a question, there are no more specifics you need to know. Ask about lagging musculature like abs after you've developed any musculature.
I will ask questions because it's the best way to inform myself on the overall path to progress forward, I question everything to understand better the how and why.
>and eat at maintenance
Isn't eating at maintenance while doing a workout routine with the aim to build muscle just called recomping?
If this is the recommended path why not do this while eating at a surplus to promote muscle growth? if my issue is
>you have no muscle mass
isn't the goal here to promote said muscle mass? and that is what a slight surplus is for?
shut the frick up and lift weights homosexual
Just do what Scooby does, idk
do weighted crunches and reduce body fat to 7%
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