Learn the difference between sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar hypertrophy.
At best calisthenics only produces marginal myofibrillar hypertrophy, and a lot of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy (basically just water, glyogen, and some extra mitochondria).
The calisthenicsbros with actually impressive (albeit not very massive, and especially lacking in the legs and glutes) physiques you see on YouTube usually built them with roids, barbell compounds, or both.
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> Muh real muscle debate.
Coping that hard because you can't do a single pull up or a headstand?
>headstand
How is this remotely a measure of functional strength?
Keep doing calisthenics memeshit and wonder why you make zero gains.
So you admit you can't do a headstand? Wow.
Even fatties can do headstands. If that's your test for people you're weaker than you think.
sarcro vs myofib hypertrophy is a fricking meme, disregard entirely. Muscle is muscle
Based trips, bless.
Trips of truth.
Dubs of double truth.
Based.
>muh show muscles
Excuses for lardasses. Muscle is muscle.
It's a meme because you cannot specifically train for one or the other. It's that same midwit misconception where they look at muscle fiber types and incorrectly believe this means you train one muscle with 5x5 and the other muscle with 3x10 like that's any significant difference, and ultimately, it's a completely pointless thing to worry about because muscle goes to fast twitch when you let it recover, as proven in a twin study. It isn't static, and the reason some people are inherently stronger involves more complex things than just "muscle fiber type."
I appreciate when people bring these things up because then it lets me know they're a dyel and I can stop reading their post. I haven't OP's post.
>I appreciate when people bring these things up because then it lets me know they're a dyel and I can stop reading their post
Pretty much, I mean when is the last time you've seen a big guy, roider or not, talking about the importance of sarco vs myofib hypertrophy? Probably never, and if you have, it's usually because someone else asked them about it, not because they brought it up themselves. It's a pointless concept that has no real-world application and only serves to allow failed "strength athletes" to shit on bodybuilders for having "fake muscle," whatever that means.
Based. This is now a push up thread. Roll.
interesting, seems like you know a lot about building a good physique, post body
>sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar hypertrophy
Stopped reading there. Real world concept that got buttfricked by bro science "intellectuals" like Elliot Hulse trying to sell you shit back in the day
>you have to pick between calisthenics and lifting
No. Go do both.
I hope you don't consider "bodybuilder muscle" as "real muscle". They literally use hormones and inject oil in them. They literally lose their function.
Nobody considers oil muscle to be muscle you moron
>hormone fueled muscle growth isn't real muscle
By that argument there is almost no "real" muscle difference between a man and a woman.
>I hope you don't consider "bodybuilder muscle" as "real muscle". They literally use hormones and inject oil in them. They literally lose their function.
No, the muscle built by strength training, and especially the big three compound lifts, with progressive overload in the form of weight being added to the bar optimally at least once a week, is "real muscle," i.e., disproportionately myofibrillar.
Much of the non-strength training bodybuilders do (higher volume, lighter weight) in name of "hypertrophy" is just pump work, and primarily just yields sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.
God I hate this kind of logic in fitness. Why can’t I do both? Lifting weights and calisthenics have their benefits, why not do both to get the best of both worlds?
Christ, it’s like when people argue barbell bench vs dumbell bench. FFS, do both and get the benefits of both of them, no one at the gym is going to stop me.
how long will it take until I can do calisthenics shit without my face looking like a cherry tomato
I swear im gonna explode when I try to do dragon flags
Maybe you are bracing your core wrong way? I feel like all the pressure from hard exercises should be in the abs and lower back area
Most cali gays are moronicly dyel not because there's anything stopping you from doing a set that elicits muscular failure and causes muscular adaptation but because they don't know what they're doing. Yes, planks are a meme. Yes, pushups will only take you so far. No failing the 25th perfectl strict chinup for failure of the lats will not leave you small.
And honestly most lifters are dyel too. Everybody is just doing a set easy enough to repeat and building nothing but what muscle that set requires (which they already have but it'll progress eventually in their overload phase) and sarco endurance with all the repeated sets. ITT itself everyone does that and is so confident about it that they're laughing at you.