Can someone who believes in mewing explain to me how you think works.
>t. Dental Student
Can someone who believes in mewing explain to me how you think works. >t. Dental Student
Can someone who believes in mewing explain to me how you think works.
>t. Dental Student
It doesn't work it's just the place the tongue rests for people with properly developed faces and wide jaws.
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tongue at the roof expands palate so your tongue can fit comfortably in there, which in turn pulls up the "turkey neck" and defines the bones of the jaw.
i know because it works and i do it
>expands your palate
How does the tounge expand the palate.
How does the tongue apply enough pressure to remodel bone? In orthodontics, metal is used that applies tension 24/7 365 at an amount that is uncomfortable for the wearer. And that's just to move teeth in the sockets.
I dont understand how the tongue could provide enough pressure to move the palate, zygomatic bone, and TMJ. Especially when none of these bones are designed to move.
>How does the tounge expand the palate.
presses it outwards
>How does the tongue apply enough pressure to remodel bone?
what do you mean how? it just does, like the metal you talk about. By applying tension at all time.
Why do you think people who loose all their teeth develop malformed jaws?
>Why do you think people who loose all their teeth develop malformed jaws?
So what you're saying is it's not the tongue, but the teeth and chewing that form the jaw. Checkmate.
Yes, the teeth and chewing play a role as well. How is this a checkmate? That's a central part of mewing.
My point just illustrates that you don't need high tension metal implements to see change.
People who lose their teeth develop malformed jaws because the body cannabilizes their jaw bones. If the principals behind mewing were true, then removing a person's tongue would cause them to develop a malformed jaw which isn't the case.
>what do you mean how? it just does, like the metal you talk about. By applying tension at all time.
So in mewing, you apply the same about of pressure to your palate that a palatal expander would?
>Why do you think people who loose all their teeth develop malformed jaws?
Because the teeth stabilize the upper in lower jaw. The sockets can collapse in on themselves because the teeth are in it.
Kinda like when your jaw shrinks when your get your wisdom teeth taken out.
if you push hard with your tongue you can literally feel the palate separate. Hardly rocket science mr dental student.
>How does the tongue apply enough pressure to remodel bone?
Mewing isnt changing bones, its improving your muscles in your head so your bones align better
As an adult it can’t, but as an adolescent the constant pressure on the palate is expected to move the palate. The palate may not be designed to move in the same way the skull isn’t designed to move, but the sutures on the palate, as on the skull, nonetheless allow the bones be moved
Along the midpalatal suture
How does water move rock?
it clearly doesn't because I have breathed correctly with good tongue posture my whole life and I'm still a chinlet
presses the maxilla forward and expands the palate
like pic rel
Like the example you just gave of expanders hurt like hell for the wearer and takes a long time to see results.
I don't get how mewing, which is at a lower pressure, for a lesser amount of time would be able to move more bone.
Mouth breathing is bad. No doubt. I think more than bad maxillofacial development causes mouth breathing, not the other way around. But admitted I dont know enough about orthodontics.
>Like the example you just gave of expanders hurt like hell for the wearer and takes a long time to see results.
no they don't. I had one as a kid and it didn't hurt
>for a lesser amount of time
mewing is 24/7 moron
How do you mew in your sleep? Wouldn't that be like flexing in your sleep? It doesn't really make sense to me.
for me, i dont worry about it at night, ill mouthbreathe if i have to. i end up waking up more days than not mewing so as long as you do it throughout your concious hours everything else falls into place
>How do you mew in your sleep?
by pressing your tongue on the roof of your mouth. Like how you would mew when you're awake. It takes practice but at some point you just wake up with your tongue on the roof of your mouth
There can be a genetic or environmental factor with mouth breathing. For me, I was in a car accident and suffered from sleep apnea after. My maxilla was once healthy but eventually my face became flatter and my gonial angle worse and worse, there was bone loss because I became vegan in that time as well. I didn't realize I was breathing through my mouth because I was a healthy jock type up until that point, I just thought all the changes were normal for what I had been through and I wasn't a teenager anymore. It took several years but I'm so grateful I took up mewing and am able to breathe again without having to resort to the dentist israelite and his strange contraptions. I fought and fought for a few millimeters of pallet space but after about the first year (with thumb pulling and chewing gum and a couple supplements) it became effortless and my apnea is virtually non-existent now.
I had this when I was young. Now I wear braces to do the exact opposite because my maxilla is too wide, but my jaw is too narrow.
I think mewing is really important if you are a kid/teenager.
I was a mouth breather all my life and went from kid that models to a khv, not solely for it, but I'm not handsome anymore 🙁
Still I've corrected my tongue posture since I'm 23 and at least I don't look as moronic as with my mouth open
puberty did not go well for u
I do mewing very occasionally and I can now get my bottom teeth Infront of my top teeth which I couldn't do originally. I believe I've just been making my jaw more flexible. It still sits naturally in the same position as it always did
it moves the fat under your chin a bit while doing it
What is the point of this thread? I don't know how exactly it works, I just know that it worked for me. I can clearly tell my face has improved
Im a dental student and multiple kids asked me about mewing in the clinic. I need to understand wtf it is and what people think it does and how people think it works.
>i need to understand wtf it is
So read mike mews stuff. If you need to understand something for your exams, do you ask morons on IST about it or do you consult the literature? I hope you fail your course if this is your mindset
I need to understand what people think it is.
There isn't really a standardized method of mewing, it's not clinical. What Dr. Mew says is different from what people are actually doing. People cant even agree on where the tounge is suppose to go. That's why i'm asking.
Ask 10 people where the tongue is suppose to go, they say the hard palate. I ask them if it's just the tip of the tongue, does the whole dorsum touch or just the body of the tounge, is your teeth suppose to touch your central incisors (obvi explained simplier)? I ask them to demonstrate what they do and they all do different things.
No, the tounge isn't supposed to touch the incisors. Just watch his videos ffs, its not that hard.
>watch his videos
What people are doing is different from what Dr. Mew is saying. Again, in clinic, when i see teens talk about mewing, they all do different things
the teens are doing it wrong then idiot. I can believe youre an actual dentist, because youre genuinely moronic.
>What Dr. Mew says is different from what people are actually doing
then what are people doing according to you?
>Apex of tounge is in a different position in every case
Some have it at the incisive papilla, some have it posterior to that
>amount of tounge touching the palate is different
The range is between 1/3 and 2/3 of the tounge body touching the palate
>amount of pressure
Some kids are really straining to push as hard as possible while some dont push at all. (I can tell bc of how much the hyoid moves)
What I see in clinic is not what Dr. Mew says to do.
>What I see in clinic is not what Dr. Mew says to do.
then your clients are obviously not mewing and you know that. What was the point of making a thread about mewing if you are not concerned about mewing at all?
>There isn't really a standardized method of mewing
yes there is. Google what mike has to say about it himself.
The only people that believe in mewing are genuinely stupid.
They were gullible and fell for a meme, you can’t convince them they’re wrong because they won’t understand.
There's no studies done on it, so they don't teach it in med school. the reason no studies have been done on it is because no one will fund it. the reason no one will fund it is that if it became standardized, doctors and hospitals would lose money. there's too much anecdotal evidence of improvement to simply say it's fake. not everything in a article is accurate, but like what isn't in an article is untrue.
I think the biggest issue is that people named it after the guy who came up with it. So no one can really put their stamp on it and claim it as their achievement. Like would you really want call it berg-ing?
I don't think any of them are going to study it because it's really moronic. They already know to fix jaws you have to use retainers and metal over years during development age or if afterwards straight up break a persons jaw and your fricking tongue is obviously not going to do any of that. Mewing is the most moronic shit I've ever heard of.
mexing sold to adults is a dumb idea but proper tongue muscle engagement along with proper jaw muscle tone and nose breathing is essential to the growth patterns of the facial structure.
tldr mewing doesn't work in adults but it is a real mecanism
you don't realize the problem. they COULD study it to prove its ineffectiveness, but they don't at all. if it was so ineffective as they say, shouldn't they study it to prove its ineffectiveness?
let me repeat, there is a shit ton of rhetorical evidence saying it works. you can't honestly believe that it's an illusion.
I don't see how you think they are going to study it at all. By all means tell me how this study would be set up so I can laugh at how moronic it would be.
literally do a long term study of teens told to mew and teens told not to mew. measure it by teeth crowding and jaw bone lengthening.
So you're already limiting it to teens showing you don't think it works for adults which would make people b***h about the study and there is zero way to actually determine if the kids really mewed. There isn't any controlled environment where you can check to see if they're actually doing it all day.
Teaching children proper oral posture is less invasive than braces. If mewing is proven to work it would be a better first response to a malformed jaw than braces. No kid likes to wear braces
Med schools are indoctrination camps for pharmaceutical and medical companies. There is zero financial incentive in teaching people that how you breath affects the movement and position of your cranial bones. Why would they fund research into something that would actively harm their business and expose the fact that they are scamming and mutilating people?
Mewing is strange!
Where else would you put your tongue?
I don't think it reshapes anything at least in adults. But pressing the tongue up gets the hind part out of the airway and makes nasal breathing easier. I'd guess something about developing those muscles also makes keeping level head posture easier. Maybe having better better breathing and blood oxygenation makes people look less tired and people wind up thinking it does more than it really does. I'm interesting in seeing if it could be a non-surgical treatment for sleep apnea in non-overweight people.
>at least in adults
I don't think Mew claims it works in Adults.
He says its much slower, which is obvious.
Also OP, you type like a moron, i'd be worried to have you poking around in my mouth.
Because i'm genuinely confused.
>Because i'm genuinely confused.
we can tell. Are you an affirmative action dental student?
I'm not really interested in the structural and vanity aspects. I'm more interested what specifically can happen with muscles of the tongue, throat and maybe the epiglottis.
Idk I don't really believe in it but I naturally put my tongue there. I will say though that it seems like your palate does sort of shift a bit at times? Like sometimes I notice my teeth will sit differently when biting down
There's no such thing as "mewing". Lack of chewing on tough foods hinders palate/maxilla development in childhood, which in turn creates a host of downstream issues all linked to a lack of palate/maxilla growth such as :
- crowded teeth (small palate)
- difficult nasal breathing (aka mouth breathing as a compensation mechanism)
- sleep apnea
Children should be given enough chewy food and not just slop. Once the development phase is over there's no fixing that shit, so "mewing" as advertised as a way to modify bone structure in adulthood is utter bullshit.
New shills, the whole thread.
Mewing is not scientific.
There isn’t a single study supporting this.
The claimed science is not something you find in a textbook, it is conjecture.
Answer me this. If mewing really works, why is there absolutely no evidence to support it, and why does the Author rely on speculation and unfounded reasoning?
are there any studies disproving it? are there even any studies in general?
studies are meant to prove not disprove
burden of proof
are there any studies at all?
no because if there was then mr.mew wouldn’t be raking in money from gullible people in this thread
INB4 funding
No studies have ever been done to disprove snake oil, guess that means it’s legit. (Why the frick would researchers be stupid enough to waste money disproving bullshit)
Do you need a study saying that if you shut your dick in a car door it will hurt? I can tell you it would. I have no source or evidence besides personal experiences with pain, a dick and car doors (in isolated incidences). But I guess you'd have shut many dicks in many car doors for it be scientific. Until there's a study saying shutting your dick in a car door hurts I'm going to assume it will and go from there. Maybe one day the money will be there and someone will want to do the work but today is not that day.
So what part of chewing a piece of plastic making your jaw bone grow, is so inuitive and obvious that it doesn’t need to be further researched and we can stop it here because some 13 year olds swear their jaws changed after chewing plastic a few times under different conditions and lighting?
Piece of plastic? Are you talking about jaw balls to grow your masseter? Because that's an entirely diffent thing. Also I never said it doesn't need to be researched I'm all for shutting some underpaid volunteers dicks in car doors. But until it's they've published that I'm going to see what happens if I don't shut my dick in a car door.
That is a false equivalency.
Your scenario is called "common sense." The real question in your dimwitted scenario wold be "WHY does my dick hurt when something slams it?" But that is not necessary to study because scientific studies have already been done about pain, nerves, and how the brain receives pain signals.
However, there is no common sense in regards to believing that the tongue exerts enough pressure to somehow expand and shape the bones of an adult human.
That is why you would need a scientific study.
You think you are smart or clever, but you really aren't. Typical midwit.
I don't think I'm any of those things I'm just trying to make longwinded posts less boring to read.
GO BACK NOW
Op youre a dental student and you dont know about maxillarry growth patterns?
it's pretty well know that severe mouth breathing and dental issues lead to issues in the allignement and growth of the mandibula and maxxila with repercusions on teeth congruency
same way braces work.
do I press the tongue fully up or forward with my chin?
get your mouth breathing fixed and you'll just do it naturally
mewing is all bs. It's the copers with bad genetics that believe that's the cause of their weak jaw and totally not their genetics.
thats profoundly stupid
babies are not born with fricked faces, you face the issues as you grow and your nose breathing is severely restricted
Alot of deformities aren't show at birth. They develop a little later in life (You are predisposed to develop them).
no you arent you dumbfricking bastard, you might be predisposed to issues that will cause them like allergies or narrow nasal passages.
You might be getting poor nutrition just like your parents because eating protein rich foods and eating hard foods and taking care of your teeths are not something done in your familly
but your skull doesnt get fricked up for no reason, same reason you dont get fricked up knees for no reason, theres muscle imbalances and severe nutrient deficiences and such that will lead to it.
A healthy well fed body will always develop normally unless severe inbredism
kys Black person moron
Mewing was started by a bunch of fake natties who noticed their israelite muscles are growing with every cycle and decided to fool Normie's with before and after pics to market snake oil
>GUYS GUYS GUYS
LOOK LOOK LOOK
>I MEWED I MEWED I MEWED
I can’t believe this, I just started mewing 5 seconds ago and I’m already seeing results!!! Add me to the anecdotes that convince everyone mewing is real!!
>THANK YOU SO MUCH
This changed my life. All the idiots in this thread doubting mewing can frick off! I’m proof it works!
OMG IM GONNA MEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW
This has to be fake, mewing results like that takes years.
No way.
He must have asymmetrical jaw because freckles are different sad if he did mewing for real and not joke he could have more jaw
>mewing is fake
I just mewed for 5 minutes look at the result morons
Real shit, none of the people that believe in mewing will respond to this because they know mewing is bullshit or they are actual shills. OR they are extremely stupid like this guy
>The results speak for themselves amirite
Don’t you guys want a chiseled jaw? you’re so desperate that you’ll believe anything
There are some people on the internet for who it worked, but don't expect much. Ideally hire doctor to consult it with.
From what I've read the only theory with some credibility in my mind is that the cartilage between bones isn't set and when people suffer from certain muscle atrophy conditions their entire face structure can also start to sag. So the idea is to apply mild, constant pressure to reposition one's bones slightly. I however doubt one's tongue would be enough for that given you aren't going to be able to press up 24/7
can someone who believes in good posture explain how standing up straight works
I thought mewing was moronic until committed to trying it for a year and saw small results. They were barely noticeable but results nonetheless. I was 24 at the time.
Post results
Ive been mewing all my life and didnt know it was something some people have to actively do
like where do you rest your tongue? Is it just laying in your mouth?
it goes into your teeths and frick them up
Does mewing expand the nasal airways? can anyone explain how to do it for that purpose? i have light mouthbreathing problems during sleep, i don't really care about the chin/jaw gains, i'm never having sex anyways.
If you Trust the Science™, you must certainly trust in the theory of evolution, right?
If you think in terms of evolution, what's more likely?
>Humans are genetically predisposed to having flat feet, poor posture, low range of motion, sleep apnea, mental illness, mouth-breathing, and small jaws with misaligned teeth, or
>Our species hasn't had enough time to adapt to the ever-more-rapidly changing environment that we find ourselves in, leading to various pathologies, such as the ones mentioned above
Besides the fact that you must be sub 80 IQ to even consider that mewing might work, every post of "mewing works" shows a dude who looks like quagmire. It's the male equivalent of exaggerated bimbo proportions. It's hideous to all but fetish people.
Keep the tongue flat against the roof of your mouth all day + do ab vacuums but for your neck (hard to explain) that's the 80/20 effort mode, it helps a bit.
Why's it make you so fricken mad then nerd
>Can someone who believes in mewing explain to me how you think works.
Go watch Mike Mew's videos on it, his YouTube channel is called Orthotropics.
I won't bother but some anons it have done a decent job for a 4chins post. IDK why you wouldn't just go watch Mew's videos.
It is fake
My tongue has always been naturally glued to the roof of my mouth and i dont have a gigachad jaw
once you are an adult your bones and shit are done growing.
Just look in a mirror with your tongue at the roof of your mouth, then let your tongue fall relaxed. There's a clear difference in how your jaw looks.
I didnt have to mew, I just chewed big wads of Turkish Falim
Jaw got bigger for real
The way I understand it it's just a way of forcing your mouth into a better position which eventually becomes natural and fixes some imbalances you might have, not unlike light scoliosis getting better after you force yourself to stand up tall for enough time or some frickery with the shoulders
i discovered mewing before i even knew it was a thing back when i was 13, i noticed that my face naturally looked better when i kept my tongue on the top of my mouth, and i could feel my facial muscles being activated much more than when i let my tongue sag
i grew up and had a very well developed jaw, which i'm sure would have been aided by the mewing
It really only works in people whose growth plates haven't closed, the younger the better.
It just works
It is just the way your tongue should rest. Just like how you shouldnt push your neck too far foreward or that you shouldnt keep your shoulders rounded. It also shouldnt really engage the muscles in a serious way just like how standing up straight doesnt. People who dont have the correct tongue position tend to mouth breath and the best case scenario for that is that it makes your teeth worse. And worst case is that it might make your jaw undeveloped. Also nothing looks more pathetic than a mouthbreather.
Maybe you should leave that topic to the real doctors.
My tongue has been on the roof of my mouth at rest for my entire life and I still have the shittiest jaw know to man
i.e mewing is actual bullshit
while the sutures in your skull mature, they do not fully solidify, so it is better to do this at a young age rather than older age, but it is still mildly effective after 20 or so.
As your tongue puts constant pressure on these maxillary sutures, it basically does what a bimax surgery would do to your maxilla. Although you can only expect maybe 1-3mm difference and surgery can make a 10-15mm difference.
Is it related to wisdom teeth?
My left ones are yet to pop out
yeah wisodm teeth frick up your jaw and the alignment of your teeth, and your teeth alignment is what fricks up your jaw, i had all 4 of mine removed even though they weren't out yet, got braces afterwards, and my jaw looks better now, also i been mewing for almost a year now, at first my jaw was in pain but now my tongue naturally goes in that position and just by that my face looks more symmetrical and better
It doesn't.
Your typical mewling has to believe in the cope so hard otherwise they'd neck themselves.
the mew shills have kept this thread alive forever
mewing does not work
you rely on anecdtoes
your anecdotes are of people that are frauding or several years older AND frauding.
it's extremely easy to fraud an entirely different face, but the morons who believe in mewing don't know their god had jaw implants and they got fleeced.
DIGITS OF TRUTH
just go on the subreddit, every single post is focal length/angle/lighting/neck position/bf% frauding
Also keep in mind, 50% of the comments are kids under 15 for some reason
Yep, 99% of all comparisons don't use the same angle or lighting, it's like the users don't want to know if it works or not.
The basic idea is that the strength of facial muscles and tongue can change bone structure to some degree.
Muscles and the lack of them DOES change your skeleton and bones, how much it really applies to faces might be hard to prove though.
Supposedly chewing more when younger will give you a bigger wider mouth with more room for teeth and tongue, allowing for better breathing and straight teeth, pre agricultural groups supposedly have straight teeth for this reason.
I believed that it worked until this turd started talking about it
It works if you are a mouth breathing kid, if not, you are just fooling yourself.
Mewing is a meme but there's breathing muscles that run up the neck and on the roof and floor of the mouth that expands the skull and jaws like the ribcage on every inhale. That's another thing as well actually, people not only have recessed faces but recessed ribcages, if the diaphragm isn't fully utilized the ribcage will recess much like the face, causing what people call pectus excavatum which I believe is environmental unless present at birth. I should know because I have a baby pic with a perfectly expanded ribcage but now it's collapsed like my jaws. There's no actual change in bond volume but it's just in a different position/shape that makes it look recessed. On every inhale the jaws and ribcage become shorter in height, rotate a bit, and expand laterally and forwards.
I think it's a pseudoscience that holds very little merit.
On one hand you're strengthening your tongue and mouth muscles while preventing mouth breathing, and can even help correct neck and back posture in the same vein of being conscious of your body. On the other, people think that mewing alone with totally transform their slender, mouth breathing and undefined face into a chiseled statuesque Godlike face.
Though I think the real facial transformation comes from actual chewing exercises or via diet change and chewing habits. Chewing tougher foods that need more chewing to break down will, like weightlifting, provide stimulus for the bones in the face to grow and strengthen as well as develop the muscles involved. In general, I think it's overall a beneficial thing, but don't let it get anyone's expectations high.
I don't buy into it reshaping bone structure or anything to that effect.
If I mew right now, I can feel my masseter and other supporting muscles engage. I can see that leading to mild hypertrophy just as it would with any other muscle. That said, there are probably much more efficient ways to get facial muscle growth rather than mewing all the time.