Can we settle this once and for all?
Is natty lifting a waste of time if you wanna be jacked to attract girls?
What is the height cap where roiding isn't worth it and you can look good in atleast 3 years?
Can we settle this once and for all? Is natty lifting a waste of time if you wanna be jacked to attract girls?
Can I just exercise? And like, be healthy and strong?
I don't care about that, sure being strong and healthy is good but I looking good is ranked higher than those 2 with all the effort im putting into lifting
I mean, if you're strong and healthy then usually looking good is a consequence of that. Vice versa.
Not really, there's dudes at my gym who are strong as shit and can bench 3-4plates but are just fat and don't have a good body.
Or the DYELS that are strong for their weight benching 2 plates but don't look like they lift in a shirt.
That's because they do power training, not hypertrophy
They do both, isolate exercises and compounds.
Why would you even deadlift if the only thing you care about is hypertrophy.
>Why would you even deadlift if the only thing you care about is hypertrophy.
>Why would you try to build muscle if the only thing you care about is building muscle.
Deadlifts are too dangerous and dogshit for upper body muscle building, I'd rather just do a few light RDLs a week and call it a day.
They don't do both. Hypertrophy is about repetition and reaching failure. 8-12 reps, 5 set. I guarantee they don't do that and instead focus on low reps. That and I guarantee their diets are fricked if they stagnated
I have never met a big natty who didn't deadlift (relatively) heavy.
There is more to strength than just hitting a 4pl8lmao diddly.
If they're fat powershitters they're not "healthy" you fricking idiot.
women have types much more than men do. Some women love current ogre style sam hyde even though he’s fat with a ‘bad body’
actually women dont have types at all
women universally categorize the same men into the top 20% and the same men into the bottom 80% of undesireables
Men are the ones with varied types, we will settle for anyone. Goth girls, YES. Fat girls, YES. Anorexic girls, YES. Disabled girls, YES
you name it, we want it
Those stats are from monkey mating selections and incels looking at online dating statistics. If you actually went out and had a friend group you’d realize that guys can look like anything and get a gf. Family guy, simpsons, married with kids etc. should have taught you that when you were 6
Haha no. That's how it used to be pre social media
Selection requirements and necessity for a mate has been dramatically altered
Basically, women dont need a man in their life to provide for them anylonger, so that means she rejects all the ugly beta buxers aka the 80%.
In the west now, women on average make more money than men, so this means men can only offer their looks as an attractive feature, which means you have atleast have to be a 7/10 man or higher to even be in consideration
These are new times, grandpa
I’m 6’4” so none of this matters to me anyways
depends where you live. In scandinavia/northen europe 6'4 isnt anything special at all
It might be in USA, dunno or in southern europe
6’4” is still above average in those countries by a standard deviation lol
>women on average make more money than men
this is a good thing btw. My gf takes me out to eat all the time. She can afford a lot of shit, more than I do, so I have constant access to shit that's out of.my league financially thanks to feminism
>so this means men can only offer their looks as an attractive feature
Also their loyalty. Most men will cheat (even those who ain't hot, but those specially) and lots of them just want a rotation of partners no strings attached. Tell a b***h you wanna marry her and watch her dump all her life for you.
Okay chad. Meanwhile in the real world for regular guys thats not quite the typical setup for a relationship now is it
Being a regular guy is a dumbass thing to do. Play the system to your favor, not against you. Woman make more than men? Cool, let them take you out. Life is easier now. Men only have their looks to offer now? Fantastic, now all you gotta do is look good. Work on it.
Yea so whats wrong with roiding? it boosts how good you look. Then why hate on it?
No hate, but it's unnecessary. All you need is a six pack, that's it. Also roiding looks good online, but irl it can look uncanny when overdone. Granted most people won't get to that point even if they wanted to, so it hardly matters.
Problem with that is, that having a sixpack as a natty means that you look 100% untrained with clothing on
Also, you cant get too big on roids, unless you blast gh and insulin with 10000 calories for 10 years in a row. So dont worry about that lol
Mate i'm on 1.5grams of test and my estrogen is middle range without any aromatase inhibitor. The only people who get gyno or should be scared of it are outliers in terms of how fast the convert test into estro. You shouldnt really let that stop you tbh
The solution to looking dyel with a shirt is not
>inject hormones and become a massive freak
But
>incorporate opportunities to be shirtless in your life style
Mate who is getting massively freaky big?? Jon skywalker has been on tren for 7 years? He's not massive
you are grossly overestimating the power of casual roid use. We arent talking pro bodybuilding lifestyle here
I don't follow internet celebrities but if he's been on tren for 7 years he probably looks uncanny irl.
Following male influencers has more to do with you not getting laid than your body.
my only concern with getting on roids is losing my hair
i have a full head of hair at 25 and my dad has a full head of hair at almost 50 but frick, being bald as a man is a legit death sentence to the point where no muscle would even matter at that point
i guess i could just take fin or dutasteride with it to be safer
roids definitely make your hair go to shit. I know that first hand
BUT you could just opt to use hair safe compounds. I like tren, so my hair is gonna suffer, simple as.
But test,anavar,growth hormone,eq
wouldnt lose hair. you could even run finasteride with it to stop the excessive dht from test
if i were to take roids id prob just stick to the 500mg test blast n cruise, maybe some orals like var here and there
im too fricking scared of losing my hair, my friend took tren and said he wish he never got into it
My concern is aging 10 years after a few cycles
>having a sixpack as a natty means that you look 100% untrained with clothing on
Having a six pack as a natty means that you’re cruising at 11% bodyfat, max.
At 11% bodyfat:
- Your face is going to look 100x more chiseled than any normie
- Your jaw will be sharp af
- Your neck and collarbones will pop
- Your forearms will be somewhere between wiry and bulging, and very veiny.
You think women don’t notice that shit? Women are hyper-attuned to face and leanness, and if you’re lean enough to have a six-pack you’re going to absolutely mog all normies on those fronts.
Women don’t give a shit if your biceps are 16.5” or 15.5” you autist. At best it’s the difference between a 9.5/10 body and a 10/10 body.
>Women don’t give a shit if your biceps are 16.5” or 15.5” you autist
NTA but now youre just coping, anon.
Girls are touching my biceps all the time because they are bulging with veins and are 5x bigger than the average man.
Biceps for girls is like Boobs are for us. It's a big deal, especially because they can see ur Biceps 24/7 of the time, they can't see ur abs, Biceps, Shoulders (sometimes traps) and bulging Chest out of ur t-shirt get them wet.
This body literally only appeals to fat white hogs in flyover counties in the southern US
I always see guys that look like this with the fattest, ugliest b***hes.
Makes me happy because I know how much work it takes to get a body like that, and I recognize I don’t have to put in that much work because my reward would be gay men and fat hogs crawling all over me 24/7. Yuck.
zoomer girls and girls in their 20s love it
when i went out with my gf last week there was this group of young girls that wouldnt stop looking at me while I passed by
pointing and wanting to feel my chest and biceps but I was w gf so wasnt able to stop
unlike IST says, they love the roided veiny look
you cant keep a sixpack as a natty, unless you enjoy being miserable 24/7
you only really need it in the summer
and 12% is absolutely sustainable if you eat clean, sleep a lot, and don’t eat/drink like a pig.
12% isnt sustainable, sadly
if it was sustainable then every man would have a sixpack obviously
>I’m not willing to put in one ounce of effort more than the average fat, lazy, amerifrick that guzzles beer and ranch dressing daily while sitting on his fat ass watching football.
ok.
nta but this guy is natty (obviously) and has a six-pack year round.
>having a six-pack year round at that age
>this guy is natty
im sure he is
He exercises about two hours per day (including surfing)
Sleeps about nine hours per night
Has a $5M portfolio and is basically retired from traditional work
You think he roids for those legs, shoulders and traps?
so hes a health freak who dedicates his life to exercise and eating healthy
Okay, but 99% of people arent going to do that, hence why none of us have sixpacks
I’m planning to join the 1% next year and become a health freak - I’m retiring from traditional work in March 2025
>You think he roids for those legs, shoulders and traps
youd be surprised how many people are on gear that look worse than that and cant keep a sixpack all year round, especially at this age
thats nice. but its not sustainable
but i suppose you could prove me wrong by posting your sixpack
Oh, he’s a troll poster.
Hope you’re having fun, kid!
Huh? you stupid or something? if its so easy maintaining a sixpack as you claim, then post yours lol
youre just talking out of your ass
Nobody said it was easy.
Literally nobody said that.
Point to where someone said that.
>hes natty
proof?
I've had a six pack every year (3) since I started lifting without much effort.
135kg bench in 13 months. You be the judge
look like u never benched in ur life with those small pecs
this one is from month ago but it has better lightning
ok nevermind
dom me pls daddy
>frauding with lightning and a pump
you disappear in a shirt
>you disappear in a shirt
prolly true, but i think its pretty good for 13 months natty lifting
then put on a shirt and post a pic in here without a pump you homosexual
this is what 99% of nattytards look without frauding with lightning and pumps on a daily basis, now imagine him with a shirt
>roidtroony
>calling others frauds
got no mirrors in my house
>got no mirrors in my house
bahahahahah the absolute state of nattytards, they wont even buy a mirror for their house because they can only take pics at the gym after workout pump
oh nonononono bahahahahahah
I’m a natty in my first year of lifting, and probably 80% of the people I know have made comments about my body - unprompted, out loud, often in front of others.
And I’m 100% certain if you saw me in a t-shirt you’d call me a dyel.
You are suffering from debilitating body dysmorphia, my friend.
post body
you’re gonna be mad, I guarantee it
looks like you have never lifted in ur life
are normie standards really that low or youre lying
your starting point obviously matters.
but no, I am not lying.
Looking great and nice outfit man
>are normie standards really that low or youre lying
not him, but you have no fricking idea
>looks like you have never lifted in ur life
>are normie standards really that low or youre lying
Yet you won't post body homosexual
sorry dude you’re fricking delusional
dude has the biceps and forearms to still look like he lifts with a shirt on
lmao I bench 91kg and my chest looks better than yours.
Sorry, god has foresaken you with those shit chest genetics.
this is a shit pose and terrible lighting. the chest genetics aren't the problem it's his picture taking ability
Bro I bench 75kg and my pecs look the same wtf are you doing.
That pic was taken hour after doing 3 sets of 105kgx10reps.
i guess i suck at taking photos.
This is me a month or so ago
>all the effort im putting into lifting
I guarantee you've been lifting less than a year. It's only hard because you're new to it. Once it becomes your lifestyle it's just a normal part of your day.
Feeling good is far more important than looking good.
Healthy and strong is a juxtaposition
Wtf is this moronic picture? Year 1 on the right looks better than the rest LOL
Frick off progressgay
Genetics
you generally get out of it what you put into it
I promise you that if the guy in your picture was serious about maintaining a good routine in the gym, a good diet, and a good sleep schedule, he'd have a better body than he does in those pictures. Not trying to trash that dude or anything, since he's still better than 95% of average people these days, but also not a very impressive result if his goal was building muscle.
Giving up your natty card is just a shortcut to the end goal of accumulating muscle mass for most people. If that's your only goal then go ahead and roid up for a few years, but most people can tell if you have a roid body.
>you generally get out of it what you put into it
Not at all. You can give it you all and look like those bodies in that picture. Such is the truth of natty lifting
You obviously are aiming to be lean/cut. Take this old adage,
"Abs are made in the kitchen, not in the gym"
Fix your diet. Get shredded with food, not just exercise.
Abs are made in the gym but revealed at the kitchen.
I had 0 abs popping out before I started training them hard twice a week in the gym, but the thing about having abs show as a natty is that you lose most of ur muscle mass by cutting.
I stopped training abs and I'm bulking now, if next cut I still look DYEL I'll probably just juice.
Girls don't care how "jacked" you are. You just need to be not fat. Having some defined muscle is definitely a bonus, but no one but gays and varbies would select a man for the huge muscles.
Face, Height, Frame, Personality, Status, Resources.
kek this is the biggest cope, girls love big veiny roided look
you fell for the woman fallacy that muscles don't matter
You are obviously the roid troony coper here
You will die before the age of 40
I only got a gf after hopping on the sauce
nope you're just a coping dyel incel
natty lifting is a joke
you're a joke
post body
You next, c**t
You look like shit, natty lifting is a meme
You'll never be as big as me even if you train for 20 years.
It's not really ur fault, the human body is ungrateful and hates to hold onto muscle.
I, too was a delusional natty for 6 years but at some point the effort you're putting into maintaining a natty body just isn't worth it, because you're always locked in the loop of being fat with muscle or shredded without any muscle left.
>Roiding for a natty physique
Sad.
Clearly none of the natties that posted their pissiques look like thst so no not a natty physique...natties are delusional they look better than roid users they don't they look pathetic most times
>"I had problems beating this computer game so I used cheat codes and completed it"
>muh life is like a bideo game !
Im not even that guy but if you think like this you gotta touch grass
>Me playing StarCraft as a kid
>I had problems beating this computer game so I used cheat codes and completed it
uh, yes?
>Roiding for a physique that can easily be attained with 3 years of natty lifting
Kek, enjoy all the secondary effects for so little in return, troony
Stop being delusional. Look at his deltoids and trapezius. no natty will ever get like that
>roidtroony schizo talking shit
just die already
Looks big and strong and healthy.
Looks like a big homosexual.
Not having a go but I've met non lifters who are more jacked. This is really what you should look like with proper effort.
Mike is Natty though. You're disproving your own point.
>nattards really believe Mike is natty
Bahahaha the absolute state of you dumb homosexuals
YOUR a joke
because I wanna make past 30? let's see that sulek troony do that
>wanna be jacked to attract girls
women aren't attracted to huge muscles. a simple calisthenics with some bicep curls and side lat raises was all I did in college
If you don't have a good face you need muscles
>Is lifting a waste of time if you wanna attract girls?
yes
Lmao just wait until a war breaks out in your country and you won't have access to Testosterone anymore. You will have T levels of a little girl and get raped by a natural man.
Implying most natties are at above low test lvls especially assuming cortisol and lack of food during war. Lol they will both have about the same lvls, the roider just has more size to lose so he will be bigger longer
>assuming cortisol and lack of food during war
>stress and caloric deficit will tank your test to basically 0
>most men in most wars had basically 0 test
you are either cope moronic or baiting
those bodies are all top 0,00000000000000001% if they would cut to 10-12% bodyfat. literally more attractive than roid physique (for women). For male attention its different.
>Is natty lifting a waste of time if you wanna be jacked to attract girls?
You have it backwards you idiot. If you just want girls to think you look good you're wasting your time roiding, the level of of muscle girls like you should not need roids to achieve.
For every pic like that, you can find thousands of roiders who spent decades and all they got was acne, egzema, high blood pressure, and varicose veins.
On top of that, you are mentally ill and suffer from a severe body dysmorphia if you think girls need more. 99% of girls will chose the guys in the pic over dudes competing for mr. Olympia. Bodybuilders are asmired only by gay old farts and bipolar girls on horse doses of anavar.
God you're so fricking dumb, do you really believe girls would choose OP pic bodies over this
This guy is nowhere near the size of Mr Olympia or men's physique bodies but he's big enough to trick normies into thinking he's just a natty lifter
Girls are so fricking dumb they will never be able to distinguish between a dude who does 500mg of test and some tren and a guy who's completely natty
girls like roiders, they dont like ifbb pro who abuse gh, insulin, peptides and eat 9000 calories a day
But your average gym rat roider, like jeff seid, jon skywalker, connor murphy, carlton loth, they obviously slay because of their physique
this is true but honestly girls are pretty dumb and don't see much of a difference between a muscular natty and a roider unless they're standing side by side. having any noticable muscle is "jacked" to them. they cannot tell the difference between chris pratt's body and chris hemsworth
Girls also think chris hemsworth is natty, which is why nobody can that "girls find roiders disgusting". because in a girls mind only ronnie coleman sized guys are roiders
For pic reference, this is natty according to women
yeah, as long as you're not an IFBB pro with a roidgut girls don't find roiders disgusting but that said there's no point in roiding because girls can't even tell the difference between a muscular natty and a roider.
pic related
is a perfect example.
normie girls will think this guy is jacked. lifting beyond this for women is pointless
>there's no point in roiding because girls can't even tell the difference between a muscular natty and a roider
they can because a "muscular natty" is just a DYEL with a pump
the roider will have the pump 24/7 and be bigger even when wearing a shirt
the natty guy for them is just someone that doesnt lift
Take roids if you have extra income. Other wise dont
lol I love this demoralization post because I’m on the left and I look better than all the other posters.
warms my heart every time.
I started for only 1 year and have better results. Also Natty lifting is not a waste of time idiot... everyone starts to respect you more.
You should post body
>be me
>natty, calisthenics only
>dyel as frick online
>irl people call me rambo
You can mog 99% of normies by doing push ups.
and if you can do handstand push ups you mog 100% of normies, gym goers and so on. having mastery of your body if much more impressive than lifiting objects up and down
Post body
I'm a manlet tho it's even more unimpressive than it seems.
physique is good if we ignore that you’re a manlet, but your chest looks like you’ve never done a push-up in your life
Yeah I've considered buying a bench and a barbell for ohps and bench presses cause calisthenics don't cut it for chest and shoulders.
I do a couple thousand push ups every year.
you look like you never touched a single weight in ur life
if hes shirtless, if he put on a shirt he will disappear, thats the natty curse
I live by the beach. I can be seen without a shirt in public all year round. If "looking dyel in a shirt" is a problem, the solution is finding a way to take your shirt off.
>if you wanna be jacked to attract girls?
Underage homosexual, frick off
>to attract girls
>Is natty lifting a waste of time if you wanna be jacked to attract girls?
The kind of physique that actually gets pussy you can get it 100% natty and relatively easy. That's a true the autistic chimpanzees who post here refuse to accept.
>just have a top tier model face bro
Sure if you're a 9/10 face then ur body is just a bonus.
>100% natty and relatively easy
benched twice my weight and didn't have anything close to this roid troony chest
>u just didn't know how to work chest, bench does frickall for chest it's long head of trike, fron't of delt that die the quickest on bench, the power goes from lats
well yeah bot, now i know that, the thing is this mofo didn't know that either yet still got his chest and i didn't until now 😀
You gotta be kidding
Dude. Unless you are one of those twinks that were always thin, being that low body fat is NOT easy.
>if you consume goyslop it's hard to give it up
yea
Post more pics please.
I say this as a straight man with a wife and kids. I wanna see this natty monster.
you have to be damn moronic to be natty in 2023
the amount of evidence against natty lifting is staggering. we have 80 years of data that shows natty lifting being an objective waste of time in every way possible
roided lifting or nothing
In what measure is natty lifting "useless"?
Could you elaborate? Also what "80 years of data" are you referring to? I'm quite curious.
in terms of hypertrophy natty lifting does nothing i think a study showed that a natty gains on average 0.5kg a muscle a year after the first 2 years. So its entirely negligent to even bother lifting natty at that point
for health reasons, cardiovascular health, joint health you could make a good case for the benefits of natty lifting. But in terms of raising your SMV or building an aesthetic body, it aint it
> 80 years of evidence
> I think a study
moronic roid money
If you care about being big or having a impressive physique to get women then natty lifting can be a waste of time
If your focus is only healthy then you can be a natty forever and just maining while having low bf, but youll be forever small
And when I say roided physique I'm not talking about Mr Olympia monsters with big HGH guts, grams of test and blasting insulin, bodies like jeff seid or jon skywalker will slay with ease normie girls because they cant distinguish it
Exactly 100%. This is the truth, and it's undeniable
BTW the big guys take more than just HGH and insulin even, they use peptides that we haven't even heard of it
you can roid to pick up women but you can also pick up women by just being slightly lean and having some muscle. 50% of the country is obese. your competition is not strong.
roiding is only worth it if you plan to make money off it. doing it for women is moronic and unnecessary.
>Problem with that is, that having a sixpack as a natty means that you look 100% untrained with clothing on
so just go to a beach, pool etc. and take your shirt off. not hard
>just go to a beach bro its not that hard
i swear you morons are braindead, you really think everyone in here lives close to a beach or a country thats hot 365 days of the year where you can just take ur shirt off 24/7?
go to a pool, a barbecue, etc. hell people take their shirt off at normal parties. the fact that you can't figure this out is sad on your part.
I just went a moved 100 miles away cause I wanted to live by the beach
so yeah it's that simple
girls will also call this natty. yet again disputing the claim that girls hate roiders. Because according to them this isnt even roided
we disagree there. i dont think a natty can be muscular. built dad bod perhaps after 8+ years training and with high bodyfat. But muscular, nah or shr
>i dont think a natty can be muscular
you're just coping at this point then. Chris Pratt may or may not be natty but this is definitely natty attainable and basically every woman would consider this jacked and be unable to tell the difference between him and Hemsworth unless they were side by side.
Roiding for women is absolutely moronic.
you realize he has a pump in that pic right? Like hes literally in a gym post workout
DOesnt really prove much in regards to the efficacy of natty lifting now does it
Besides the fact he was also paid 100 mil USD to look good for his naked scenes in guardian, which would be a great counter argument against him being natty in that particular picture
okay here's him without a pump
>b-but he's not as muscular
yeah women don't care. he looks buff to them.
you've never spoken to a normie woman if you think this. hell even most normie men who don't go to the gym will think anyone with the smallest amount of muscle is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
that body would just be dad bod for current women, look at that belly pouch
that is not a dad bod. dad bod is fatter.
what people ingest when they look at social media is not what they expect in real life and they aren't as discerning as you think. they see a hot guy with muscles and it doesn't go past that.
only guys are autistically focusing on the level of body fat and specific definition of each muscle.
That's 15%ish bodyfat
No offense but you talk like someone who doesnt know what women ingest when they scroll social media.
Women are constantly exposed to roided chads on instagram, tiktok, media. Its not like in the old days where sean connery was considered ultra buff hulk. The bar has been raised significantly
look at how small those biceps and forearms are even with a pump, now put a shirt on this guy and no girl would know he has ever touched a weight in his life
he would just be "athletic" or skinny to them
you've never spoken to a woman if you think a normie one would look at chris pratt and think he's not muscular
every normie and woman ive spoken to never talked about chris pratt being muscular
they always comment stuff about chris hemsworth being jacked because he was the one doing steroids
chris has no definition or muscle mass, he just looks like a flabby DYEL
they comment on hemsworth being jacked probably because he's the one shown off more. but if you asked them if chris pratt is muscular they'd say yes.
>chris has no definition or muscle mass, he just looks like a flabby DYEL
you grossly overestimate the standards for normies.
Women also think someone like Hasan Piker is jacked.
but hasan piker is literally jacked(he was buff)
but he's not lean at all (by IST standards) and definitely natty attainable
i wouldnt be surprised if this worm did a bit of roids, hes extremely lazy and put way too much size too fast for his height
wouldn't either. most people who roid look like shit. that said his body is definitely natty attainable which is more to the point.
A good argument pro him having used roids, is the fact that he used to get bullied for being fat, and also hes a public figure who cares ALOT about his apperance
That's a recipe for doing roids right there
This homie got alzheimers from steroids abuse, what a gay
I don't understand how to answer questions this moronic.
What do you mean "height cap", is this a big number where being over it it isn't "worth roiding" or is it a low number? Like what the hell are you talking about?
Just stop trying to think and work things out and especially stop posting.
if someone is a shortking, lets say 5'6 then they can have a more impressive physique in 2-3 years of lifting to lets say, someone whos 6' or more in that time frame
some frames are way too big and large to fill if youre too tall while shortkings have an easier time filling them throughout the years
I guess OP question is, is it worth it to roid if youre 5'6?
I really want to start a cycle but I am afraid of getting Gyno. How do you roid chads prevent it? Do I have to take bunch of pills that pregnant women take?
humans by design can't really get huge without medical intervention. Its literally built into our DNA because of how the motor neurons work.
You can get pretty shredded but you'll never get massive unless you are a 0.01% genetic freak or just lift and eat whatever and don't care about looks
Exactly
There's multiple mechanisms present in the human body that actively prevent excessive muscle growth.
Here's the problem tho, your body considers even a tiny bit of muscle growth as being excessive and unncessary. So even gaining half an inch of muscle on your arm as a natty is gonna take 5 years and be incredibly difficult
Myostatin is just one mechanism through which this stoppage occurs, and roids are very good at suppressing myostatin expression
How long does it take to deflate from roids? I don't wanna cycle all the time but the idea of deflating sounds super demoralizing. It seems like once you start, you won't stop which is when it leads to health problems.
>inb4 hurr durr why do you want to live long
Nah I don't wanna be like this steroid monkey I see that gassess out after taking a flight of stairs
You deflate rather fast if you quit roids
But the difference is, that on roids you are actually increasing your muscle tissue, meanwhile natty lifting just expands your glycogen stores, no actual tissue accrual takes place
How many years of Natty lifting would achieve on what two cycles of Test and some orals like Anavar/Dbol give you?
7-8 years maybe, but you wouldnt be lean and keep that mass, you would be borderline fat/dad bod
depends on ur genetics and how well you respond to it, some people blow up, some get good gains still but not as hard as someone with more receptors
that said, even being 1 year on test is going to achieve you a body that a natty would take atleast 4 to 5 years
left picrel is natty while right is 8 months doing roids, you wont see many natties with huge biceps like that in 5 years of training, let alone 8months-1year
8 months of that from natty lifting is impressive from the Black.
Black genetics are OP
is it? i look like that kinda in 8 months of lifting but still feel small af
well considering his starting base had no muscle definition at all. If you looked like him on the left 8 months ago then you should feel proud
This again?
First answer me this: did they have steroids in Ancient Greece and The Roman Empire?
>did they have steroids in Ancient Greece and The Roman Empire?
who cares you homosexual, everyone on that period of time were pedos and homosexuals fricking each other
>muh ancient statues
>muh stoic Romans!
>noooo it's IMPOSSIBLE to build muscle without injecting hormones
the cope. if you need more than this you're mentally ill btw
How often do you have to pin if you are doing Tren + Test
Twice a week
>Is natty lifting a waste of time if you wanna be jacked to attract girls, buhue?
Do you realize how BETA you sound
>needing to lift to attract girls
lol just lol
>needing to roid to attract girls
now this is just sad
Lmao this.
Lifting for anything but yourself is just supremely pathetic.
Think about it. 99.9% of men are complete dyels. And yet the vast majority of them have no trouble getting girls, getting laid, getting gfs, and getting married.
The fact that you think you have to become a roided mutant to get female attention is a clear sign of mental illness induced from excessive internet usage.
>54 posters
>170 replies
HOLY FRICKING SAMEgay GET A FRICKING LIFE
roidtroony trying to cope with natty anons mogging him hard
imagine being such a b***h that you can't just have a healthy hobby and have to turn it into an insecurity filled rat race by injecting bathtub chemicals up your ass to "mog" other dudes who just want to lift and improve
ngl that's pretty pathetic especially if you try to pose as hypermasculine
nattys always try to be claiming that natural lifting is so great and that you dont need roids
then they post body and its always some 9 inch 120 pound manlet, who looks like trash even with a fullblown post workout pump on
some people really like spinning their wheels, it reminds me of the boomers at my gym. they train every week for decades and look exactly the same. i guess its just a social thing for them
its pretty sad tbh imagine wasting all your youth just to be small while believing IST memes
kinda like how you waste your youth being a IST meme?
>not using steroids is a fit meme
My friend, I have news for you.
All kinds of people are out there, living sane and healthy lives, without becoming dependent on destroying their hormones to look like a fricking freak.
Steroids are not attractive and you don’t need them.
37 yo boomer here. Just thought to give you my two cents.
I've been lifting for almost twenty years. Many people have wondered if I've used roids, including one former roider. At least people who lift recognize that I lift. I'm in pretty good shape, a couple of years ago I was in even better shape.
Some non-lifters think I'm huge, while others just think I'm a regular guy as they still think hitting the gym once results in a roided physique.
The one thing in common with all these groups of people, however, is this: nobody gives a shit. Once your actual adult life begins, it's about health and feeling good about yourself - and you do still look bigger and more built than 95% of people even as a natty lifter, if you've been lifting for long. Also time management starts to become a problem at some point in your life, so you actually just enjoy lifting more mentally (the relaxing side, and time for yourself) even if you physically couldn't do much due to injuries (which will eventually happen) or some other shit, or simply age (e.g. my bench PR was like 5 years ago).
If your goal is to have a chiseled physique, then yeah, natty lifting is probably a waste of time after a few years of building a solid base. If your goal is to live a good life, nobody gives a rat's ass if you have a fitness model tier physique or not. And this isn't even a cope, a couple of years ago I actually ended up as a kind of fitness model. I'm the background graphics for a gym website. It's just that nobody really gives a shit, and neither should you. It was fun doing the shooting but that's about it. Didn't magically get laid more.
Disclaimer: by not giving a shit, I mean, don't be a fat frick or dysfunctional due to muscle atrophy. So give a tiny shit.
post body
A lot of sense here.
Point of view of a much older anon (inb4 drink your cocoa then KYS, grandad). Bear in mind that I can't lift heavy (BP) so I find other ways of maintaining my fitness and not looking a complete wreck (which is what bought me to this board originally). Staying fit and healthy as you pile the years on will give you an edge over your contemporaries, most of whom will be decaying due to lifestyle, diet, booze and circumstances. This will get you the eye of women both in your own age group, those that have an eye for an older guy (I know a few) and a few of the older girls that still feel a bit randy (hint - go for those still playing sports). You might also find out who the hidden, interested guys are, which can be a bit of a eye opener, depending on your prefs.
Poster I quoted says that no-one gives a shit. Sort of true - the older you get , the more insecure some of the atrophying guys become (not all) and passive aggression can become a boring inevitability (frick 'em). Also, where I am in the UK, any older guy looking after themselves and putting even a bit of bulk on (not much in my case) is immediately considered to be flaming, even if you have your missus wandering around with you.
I have discovered that if you want to piss off a basedish millennial, butter up his cougary mum in his presence. Satisfying.
I can't comment particularly on what the young lads are facing now, other than to note that there is a lot of pressure on them to look good and that social media is a curse. My daughter's opinion (mid-teens), pertinent to the OP, is that buff blokes look good but overdoing it 'bodybuilder style' is too much. Her latest BF is a lanky frick, so as ever, take it with a pinch of salt. Young lads need to look for an intelligent girl (they exist) - then you will have half a chance as they tend not to be quite so dumb in selecting men, taking other factors into consideration.
TLDR - get fit and healthy, stay that way
anyone older than 34 was dating before social media, which means your opinion means jackshit, nada, nothing
your wife doesnt even have social media. so you dont know what youre talking about
and as far as your daughter goes, shes gonna dump her bf in a month or sooner. young social media prostitutes are fricking cancer, yours included
Wife doesn't have social media? I wish she hadn't - puts her in a trance, as it seems to do all of them.
My daughter's already chucked the 'chad' himbo for attempting to double-up on her watch. She's ruthless.
>basedish millennial
FFS, should be baseded-up millenial
What is this non sense talk, pops
Why would I care about health just so I can date roasties 10 years for now once I'm 35?
I'm 25 now, I could just roid and frick prime pussy
'Prime' or top tier and intelligent)? Reflects on you, too, remember.
I don't care if they're intelligent, most girls aren't, I'm not looking for a wife at 25, I just want to pump and dump them
>I could just roid and frick prime pussy
you could, but you won't
You didn't magically get laid more because ur body wasn't good enough
>rationalising renting your masculinity from a bottle of oil made in meth lab
NGMI
3 years no pump and I'm old.
3 years for this? i dont wanna end up like you, anon
no offense but this is just sad
>Marvel and insta roid troony addicts
Gonna have to agree with the other anon, this looks like maxed beginner gains, 1 year would make more sense, try cutting for a bit bro
pretty much the natty limit, youll look even bigger out in public once your tiny natty glycogen stores are depleted too
natty lifting is entirely pointless
>You should be miserable unless you make the same decisions as me!
I wouldn't be surprised if this terminally online homosexual was the same nutcase over on IST obsessing over the zx4r LMFAO!
As soon as I manage to go a few months with good training and food, I'll hop on gear, I have enough money to afford it and at 32 my T-levels will only go downhill anyway.
>12-15 is strength slash??? Cardio
What the frick are you talking about
12-15 is hypertrophy, plus endurance and little bit of strength
8-15 is hypertrophy plus strength and little bit of endurance
3-5 is mostly strength, but if you bash out more sets with short rests it's also hypertrophy
1-2 is powershitter max repping does frick all
You can also do slow reps vs fast, add pausing etc etc
you didn't post body so you are wrong and not as big as the other guy he's right
I'm natty and I get plenty of attention.
But getting muscle isn't a cure for terminal insecurity.
b***h made homosexuals will forever find guys on the interwebs that look bigger than them and use it as an excuse to never talk to women.
They won't be happy until women greet them by getting on their knees and asking for dick, which will never happen, so their incel asses will remain incel no matter how much muscle they have.
Hard truths for the average fitizen
Natty copers are just likes that want you to stay low T with all the estrogenic micro plastics poisoning the world
Break the israeli conditioning, have a testosterone of a bull
>Natty copers
Heres a couple natties who are stronger and look more impressive than any roider to ever exist.
just be one of the greatest athletes to ever exist bro
>just be one of the greatest athletes to ever exist bro
That or bloat.
>14 years
If he's in his 50s on that one, then no.
There is no need to be bigger than these guys if you want to attract girls
>wanna be jacked to attract girls?
it's not a waste imo, pic is my body, i'm 25 been working out since I was 17 years, honestly been training and especially eating like shit for almost all those years, i even stopped any work out during covid. i've been getting better at what i eat since a year maybe. my training is all over the place, i know what muscle i wanna do when i enter the gym and just do what i feel like, i'm probably there for 35 to 45 mins. to be honest as soon as i enter the gym i wanna leave 70% of the time. i guess consistency win in the end
i don't take creatine, stopped taking whey because it's gotten expensive, but i'm proud to never have taken any drugs, i have no respect for those who do and don't compete
by far the best thing i did was a cut, it really made me go from random dude to "that guy works out" even though i'm smaller
cut anon
how hard was it to maintain a low bf after the cut?
it was my first real cut (as in tracking my calorie) and i just keep up the habit, I think i'm always gonna be in some sort of cut or at least tracking what I eat. So it's a habit now. it also did wonder for my jawline and i'm scared to lose it and have fat in my face
but i also eat like a pig sometime, i have a buffet booked this sunday and i know i'm gonna eat like a a mad man, but i'll be back on the diet the next day
also the photo i posted I looked good but obviously i'm not like this when I wake up
you cant get bigger while maintaining you low bf right? or did you manage to keep growing somehow?
oh i see what you mean my bad, no i think ever since i started at 17 and till 24 maybe i was in a lean bulk phase, i never went overboard. i was pretty much eating above maintenance most of the time, i did my cut a few months ago
Now i don't care about growing, i just wanna look good so I either cut or eat at a maintenance. if i wanted to grow i would probably do some very lean bulk, but not right now. also my totally bro science opinion is that unless you are at an huge deficit and very low bf (which i am not) you'll still grow
Now post a pic without a pump
Good, i'm glad to see someone calling out pump pics
pump pics is peak deception. I can take a 160 pound natty dyel fill him with citrulline, glycerol, carbs, cialis and I guarantee once he gets a sick pump he will look like an IFBB pro for 40 min
Your true state is your body upon wakening before any carbs
Unpumped, depleted, flat
If you dont look good in the morning then you look like shit. And we all know how unpumped nattys look in the morning lmao, like pure hot garbage
this was in august
obviously can't have everything
looks good, but way too small to be anything with clothes on. The eternal crux of a natty lifter
delusional kek
nta btw
no
ta btw
thx, definitely unless I wear a good shirt that fits me correctly I look like i've never lifted
But yea my priority changed, when I started I wanted to become a huge ass bodybuilder now I literally don't give a shit, I look up more to a twink body rather than a bodybuilder
i'm glad younger me never went on the sauce, the gym went from my number 1 priority to number 15 probably
>way too small to be anything with clothes on
The absolute state of morons obsessed with "looking big in clothes" never ceases to astound me.
>I'm so caught up in how I am perceived by others that I must manipulate my endocrinology to accumulate supraphysiological amounts of body mass. I'm a BIG TOUGH MAN and I need everyone to know I am a BIG TOUGH MAN even when I'm wearing my winter clothes. If people can't see how BIG and TOUGH I am, they will never respect me.
Literal woman-and-makeup tier thinking.
cope and spergout
>me big tough man me fill out XXL shirt
>me out of breath climb up stairs
So this is what 8 years of natty lifting get you to?
If anything this is inspo to roid
yep about 8 years on and off. feel free to roid, but we all know you never will
You know girls hate the roided guys right? Just like men who aren't morons don't like women with bolt on breasts and asses implants, which will be the type of woman you'll attract
all of my joints are fricked up from working out too hard too much and im still skinny fat dyel
>Can we settle this once and for all?
No of course not - what a stupid question. This board has been recycling content for more than a decade. We’ll see this exact thread again in a few days.
>roider's screeching about natty's
>natty posts a decent build
>STILL SMALL IN A SHIRT
>YOU HAVE A PUMP IN THAT PIC
>LIGHT FRAUD
>ANGLE FRAUD
>IM STIL BIGGER
>I NEED TO COPE WITH THE PERMANENT DECISION I MADE TO MY BODY
No wonder you psychos get compared with trannies
you are scared
you are coping
it's alright man, it's to be expected here. I've been here for quite some time and i'm pretty sure 80% of anons here don't lift kek
the only thing that matters to me is women noticing it, and they do. especially when i do my yearly travel to south east asia (lol)
Genuinely he looks good and will both look good and be healthy for the rest of his life. Your ass will be wearing panties due to fricked up hormones and also have fricked up organs.
Oh and another thing? I hope you didn't need your balls to produce semen, roid troony.
He doesn't and it isn't the same person, you're braindead