Can you 1. Be natty 2. Get stronger 3. Stay lean all year around and 4. Get bigger muscles at the same time?

Can you 1. Be natty 2. Get stronger 3. Stay lean all year around and 4. Get bigger muscles at the same time?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Except maybe when you're going through puberty

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Turns out you can still gain muscle even on a caloric deficit
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/128681/

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but not quickly. I am natty, lean, and have been getting larger and stronger every year for the last six years however it has been quite slow compared to some of my friends who've gotten fluffier or bulked more aggressively.

    Shit takes time, but it's also not a race.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >slow compared to some of my friends who've gotten fluffier or bulked more aggressively.
      If you're looks at their lifts for signs of improvements, it turns out gaining fat changes some of the leverages making the lifts larger. They very likely either haven't gained much actual muscle in comparison to yourself. Unless they're on 1g+ of test, HGH, and insulin, they probably just gained mostly fat on their bulks.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah whatever I don't really need to cope with that. I have friends that can lift near twice as much as me but they also got fat. The difference between us is I'd probably kill myself if I stopped seeing my abs.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely think so, but sample size is just my own experience so, probably not good data.

    I was just on a cut for 4 weeks, about 1000 cal deficit, lost 3kg or so, improved my all my lifts, week over week.

    Once i reach my desired weight, increase to 100-200 calorie surplus until i start to see the definition of my abs slightly fade, then immediately switch back to a slight deficit of 100-200 calories until i get the exact definition of abs back again.

    I think people really enjoy being in a category of 'this is my cut phase and its 3 months' or 'this is my bulk phase for 3 months'. I must prefer just using ab definition as a marker, switching between surplus and deficit based on something practical, not just some magical monthly amount of time.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      So I have to bulk with 50-100 cals over maintenance?

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. yes
    2. yes
    3. yes IF maintenance only aka after reaching end goal
    4. No, while bulking you WILL get fat

    You can be big, lean, and natty, BUT only if you're doing maintenance. If you want to grow, fat is unavoidable.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      see

      Yes. Turns out you can still gain muscle even on a caloric deficit
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/128681/

      The fact that fat gain is not necessary to gain muscle has been known since the 70's whether or not anyone in the fitness culture has heard of it.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cap. You have to be above maintenance to gain muscle and excess intake will turn to fat. You can't measure your body's needs to the exact amount because there are too many unknowns hence you'll gain fat while bulking

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You literally need like 16 extra calories a week above maintenance to gain muscle. Do the fricking math.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's a man Maury

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    That is indeed a man.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve seen this image posted a few times and she must be such a pain in the ass to date and be with. Looks like such a pissy b***h

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ya no, not my type at all. I'm more into the feminine/submissive types.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    With 150 cals over maintenance

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. It's called working out instead of shitposting on IST.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically u will look like her (picrel), that's the typical natty limit look at 13% to 15% bf

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah but it takes like 20 years

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah picrel

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muscles do not grow from calories. They grow from protein. Your body supplies your muscles with energy when you are running a deficit if you have any fat on your body.

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm on a pretty decent deficit. Intaking about ~1500calories, some days are sub 1000. Fitbit tells me I'm averaging about 2500-3000calories out.
    My weight is going up. From 95kg to 98kg over the past 3 months. Bodyfat doesn't appear to be changing.

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