It's not, but you can definitely do enough exercise that you burn fat. It's just really tedious, and you have to keep increasing the intensity or else your body adapts. I've done it and it's one of the hardest ways to lose weight
CICO is real but there’s so many things that go into determining the in and out beyond just the calories, it’s not enough to help people effectively lose weight.
Hormonal levels, genetics etc. not to mention food labels can legally be quite inaccurate with their calorie count, certain foods aren’t as satiating as others etc.
>muh hormones
Biohackers are literally nuking their thyroids on purpose 'cuz hypothyroidism (and the slower metabolism that comes with it) is highly correlated with a longer lifespan. They can prevent weight gain thru diet+very chill exercise.
>muh geneteekz
And yet 100+ years ago virtually nobody was fat, including the great-great grandparents of today's hamplanets.
Slop ain't great for you but you can't beat thermodynamics. Countless basement-dwelling nerds stay skinny eating chicken tendies and instant mash potatoes on a daily basis.
Brother you literally have to take care of your car in a similar way lol. Poor fuel quality leads to clogged injectors and dirty cylinders. Not as easy to change spark plugs on a human though.
>CICO is real but there’s so many things that go into determining the in and out beyond just the calories, it’s not enough to help people effectively lose weight. >be fat >stop eating as fricking much >stop being fat
simple as
Unless you are training at Olympic levels you are not burning a +3000 calorie surplus. So no, your average fat moron will never be able to make up for a bad diet with training only.
Not possible.
Just put the fricking fork down it's that easy.
i can guarantee you that he does not burn 4000 calories doing that you mouthbreathing moron. just because his pajeet smartwatch says "4000 calories sir!!!" does not mean that is actually how much hes burning.
4k *on top* of his BMR? Sorry b***h, that's just not possible. >muh standing all day
Humans are BUILT to be standing all day, you dumb b***h. Even walking burns a really negligible amount of calories if you're lean and adapted to it like our ancestors. Like, barely about sedentary TDEE. It's fricking crazy.
>gay >works in a kitchen
Meth's burning those calories moron, not him prancing around shrieking "Hot bee-hind! Hot bee-hind!"
Enjoy his dealer's GRIDs.
Okay but a 3k surplus is beastly. You need to split your seshs with a hearthy refeed cuz putting any significant amount of mileage/volume while glyc-depleted will frick your shit up.
2k is doable.
800-1200 shouldn't be a problem for even a casual cardiogay. That's a full slop course minus the beetus juice. Every single fricking day.
And that's the ironic thing. Fatties don't love food, they're just using it to kill themselves or shut up the bad fee-fees stinking their fat-addled brains. If they loved food they would do anything within their power to get reasonably IST and start cardiomaxxing.
It's harder to do as you get lean though. Your body gets so energy-efficient you don't burn as much calories.
For example, a normal adult male will burn about 100 calories per mile running (or walking, I think), but a seasoned long-distance runner will probably burn like half of that at best.
How much you burn running per mile depends mostly on how much you weigh, but when you are heavier you run much slower so cover fewer miles, usually by quite a lot.
So a seasoned runner who weighs around 150lbs and runs 70 miles per week is looking at a 1000cal/day burn above their baseline calorie consumption. So that's probably 3000-3500 maintenance depending on other factors.
Speaking of which, how is Meghan Trainor's career doing now? She used to be the fat chick that can sing and owned it, then she lost 60 pounds. Idk whether that helped or hurt her career.
Oh yeah, for sure. But that’s what happens when you get famous by appealing to loser mentality and victim crowd, you cut yourself off from self improvement and better living. Cause if she did lose weight, all her fatty audience would turn on her for bettering herself.
Quite a shame, cause with all her money, resources, and more free time than the average person I’m genuinely curious how fast it would take for someone of her size to go back to normal healthy weight (assuming she did it through dieting and exercise and not through surgery)
I can’t imagine having that kind of money and still being fat. I just think about how if I had millions and millions of dollars and all that free time, how utterly fit and peak health I could be. Build my own custom home gym so I don’t have to commute to a public gym and wait on equipment; regular access to a dietician to monitor my weight and body fat and tweak my diet as needed; a personal chef to make you a variety of tasty and nutritious meals instead of bland meal preps that sit in your fridge for half the week; and all the free time you need to get 1 or 2 workouts in a day while still having the time to sleep and recover.
Can you out train a shitty diet >Technically yes >Will you? No
1 ben n jerry's is equal to 2 hours running. If you eat +1200 calories you could potentially burn it off, but you would already be in great shape to be able to workout that much.
You will blow your joints bones ligaments tendons and muscles the frick out attempting to do enough cardio daily to counteract eating like a pig and this behavior is an eating/mental disorder without a doubt
How bad is bad? 3500 calories? 4500? 10000? Even when I was sedentary and eating whatever I wanted I never got heavier than 220lbs 6ft tall, so regular exercise had me dropping weight fairly easily even while eating shitty. I’m not sure the really huge people could do it eating like they do.
Yes, but it is only under rare circumstance. I used to lead hikes out in Montana for months at a time. Would basically just eat, Velveeta, Jerky, died fruit, and candy.
Lost 50lbs in 4 months.
Was also carrying 80lb pack up and down 10,000ft+ mountains for 12 hrs a day.
I think you can, you just don't want to. I know a lot of martial artists that "retired" from tournaments and weight classes that are actually full blown alcoholics. They still work out and do horrid amounts of cardio, like 3+ hours daily, that did not get fat. They do not have that chiseled sub 8% look though, but from what I can tell are in their mid 10s, low 20s, but drinking like 20 pints a day everyday.. So probably, if you are trained enough to put your body through this cardio marathons you could..
It's possible, sure, but the reality is that most eating an excess in calories are already not running in the first place. It takes significantly more effort to burn off calories than it is to not consume them in the first place.
Only for short periods of time. I lost a significant amount of weight in my twenties. I was walking all the time. Then I'd even schedule two extra walks a day. I probably walked entire days. Then I gained it back and lost it again in my thirties. That time I was exercising two to three hours a day. Once I couldn't do that anymore I gained it back again. Took me until my forties to learn the secret. Stop eating you fat fricks. Honestly. It's 99% diet. Makes it easy. You don't need to eat every day. When you do eat. Avoid fat. You can eat a ton of carbs IF you don't mix it with fat. You can also avoid all carbs and only eat fat and protein, but good luck with that because everybody I've seen lose weight that way is now a hundred pounds heavier than before they did that keto shit.
as long as your ligaments and joints play along (unlikely for the referenced person) and you have several hours to spare, sure. but the willpower required to run that long is much greater than that to just eat less
>high-calorie
yeah >exclusively goyslop, like fricking 6000 daily cals worth of takis, twizzlers, totinos pizza rolls, and Frappuccinos
no
That shit will not provide the micros and macros needed to fuel the extra work you need to put in, even at a healthy bmi you'll stroke out and die.
Theoretically yes, but:
1) running and cardio burn a lot less calories than many people think. Especially if you’re not already an athlete and thus won’t be able to do it at extreme intensity required to burn more than you’re taking in
2) you can put run a high calorie diet, but you can’t out run one that’s lacking in macros and micros to fuel the run.
Many years ago, when I was in my early 20s, I used to work in a factory which was labour intensive. I used to do an afternoon shift and eat dinner in the cafeteria which sold just shit, burgers, chips etc. That was basically my diet and I didn't exercise and I was quite skinny. I was never a skinny person, I was not fat but a little chubby and I actually lost a good amount of weight doing that job eating shit diet for 2 years. That's an example of calories in vs calories out. I was obviously burning a lot of calories on my shifts. But if you want to build muscle, you are not going to get a good body eating shit calories. Diet and sleep is probably the most important thing along with the right training.
Yes, but mostly it consists of walking a frickton like 30k steps a day. If you walk that much daily you can literally eat whatever and gain weight.
This happens if you ever decide to go on a vacation to somewhere in Europe, I was eating pizza pasta and gelato every day and still lost like 17 pounds in 1.5 months
A couple years ago I hiked the appalachian trail and could easily eat 6k calories per day and still lose weight. Sometimes when I stopped in towns I know I ate around 10k calories a day, still lost weight.
Keep in mind that this is hiking 18+ miles per day with a 50+ pound pack on.
according to google, running at 6mph requires 10 calories per minute.
i'm also going to use calculator.net for some stuff here. these calculators are really bad, but i'm just going to use it to establish benchmarks anyway. i'm calculating bmr for an inactive 30 year old male weighing 300lb. it's 2327 per day.
6mph is 10 calories per minute, or 600 calories per hour. let's say somebody weighs 300lb and their daily caloric intake is 3000 per day. that's a surplus of 673 calories.
forget all the complexity of differences in ability, genetics, adaptation, and all that. forget the increased metabolic rate post-exercise. let's just work with the raw generalized (bullshit) stat as a benchmark so we can do a simple abstraction.
at a surplus of 673 calories a day, a 300lb person would have to run 6mph for a little over an hour just to reach maintenance calories.
a 300lb pig can't run 6mph for over an hour, so this isn't realistic at all. it just gives us a very general benchmark for developing a broad understanding of the effort required to counter caloric intake.
it's not generally realistic that anybody can outrun a shitty diet. especially when you consider how insulin impacts energy (e.g. general lethargy), how all the other hormonal problems impact body behavior, mental health of people on shitty diets serving as an impediment to discipline, motivation, and initiative, the general lack of discipline that is a prerequisite for maintaining a shitty diet, and so many other factors, and that's just with a 673 calory surplus.
consider also that bmr calculators GREATLY overestimate caloric intake requirements, and consider that people on shitty diets (assuming they're overeating, rather than undereating) are at a greater surplus than 673 calories, and you can easily estimate, with the above benchmark, that they'd need to be rigorously exercising at least 2 hours per day.
Yes, if CICO is real.
It's not, but you can definitely do enough exercise that you burn fat. It's just really tedious, and you have to keep increasing the intensity or else your body adapts. I've done it and it's one of the hardest ways to lose weight
CICO is real but there’s so many things that go into determining the in and out beyond just the calories, it’s not enough to help people effectively lose weight.
Hormonal levels, genetics etc. not to mention food labels can legally be quite inaccurate with their calorie count, certain foods aren’t as satiating as others etc.
>muh hormones
Biohackers are literally nuking their thyroids on purpose 'cuz hypothyroidism (and the slower metabolism that comes with it) is highly correlated with a longer lifespan. They can prevent weight gain thru diet+very chill exercise.
>muh geneteekz
And yet 100+ years ago virtually nobody was fat, including the great-great grandparents of today's hamplanets.
Slop ain't great for you but you can't beat thermodynamics. Countless basement-dwelling nerds stay skinny eating chicken tendies and instant mash potatoes on a daily basis.
>MPG is real but there's so so so much more to how much you can drive than the amount of gas you put in your car
Brother you literally have to take care of your car in a similar way lol. Poor fuel quality leads to clogged injectors and dirty cylinders. Not as easy to change spark plugs on a human though.
>CICO is real but there’s so many things that go into determining the in and out beyond just the calories, it’s not enough to help people effectively lose weight.
>be fat
>stop eating as fricking much
>stop being fat
simple as
Not really. At some point you do have to start thinking of your macros/micros. CICO is great for basic dieting but that's about it.
In theory you can, in practice it's incredibly hard.
Unless you are training at Olympic levels you are not burning a +3000 calorie surplus. So no, your average fat moron will never be able to make up for a bad diet with training only.
Not possible.
Just put the fricking fork down it's that easy.
My boyfriend burns 4000cal working in a kitchen 9hours a day. He's on his feet, usually running from station to station and is probably 200lbs 18% bf
>18% bf
Man what more does he have to do for you to be 100% your boyfriend
i can guarantee you that he does not burn 4000 calories doing that you mouthbreathing moron. just because his pajeet smartwatch says "4000 calories sir!!!" does not mean that is actually how much hes burning.
I see this all the time but I religiously measure my calories off my garmin and I never gain or lose unexpectedly.
4k *on top* of his BMR? Sorry b***h, that's just not possible.
>muh standing all day
Humans are BUILT to be standing all day, you dumb b***h. Even walking burns a really negligible amount of calories if you're lean and adapted to it like our ancestors. Like, barely about sedentary TDEE. It's fricking crazy.
I did a whole 25 mile day mountain hike with a 6 pound bag and burned only around 4500-500 calories.
>with a
HOW MUCH
>6 lb bag
Oh ok checks out.
Badass. I want to start doing crazy shit like that but I'm scared of rhabdo or just fricking my shit up. Any tips?
>gay
>works in a kitchen
Meth's burning those calories moron, not him prancing around shrieking "Hot bee-hind! Hot bee-hind!"
Enjoy his dealer's GRIDs.
Okay but a 3k surplus is beastly. You need to split your seshs with a hearthy refeed cuz putting any significant amount of mileage/volume while glyc-depleted will frick your shit up.
2k is doable.
800-1200 shouldn't be a problem for even a casual cardiogay. That's a full slop course minus the beetus juice. Every single fricking day.
And that's the ironic thing. Fatties don't love food, they're just using it to kill themselves or shut up the bad fee-fees stinking their fat-addled brains. If they loved food they would do anything within their power to get reasonably IST and start cardiomaxxing.
>Olympic level
An adult man with a job where you're on your feet all day can easily push 3000+ for maintenance
It's harder to do as you get lean though. Your body gets so energy-efficient you don't burn as much calories.
For example, a normal adult male will burn about 100 calories per mile running (or walking, I think), but a seasoned long-distance runner will probably burn like half of that at best.
How much you burn running per mile depends mostly on how much you weigh, but when you are heavier you run much slower so cover fewer miles, usually by quite a lot.
So a seasoned runner who weighs around 150lbs and runs 70 miles per week is looking at a 1000cal/day burn above their baseline calorie consumption. So that's probably 3000-3500 maintenance depending on other factors.
He said surplus moron. That would be 6000 calories in your example.
You underestimate gluttony and sloth. Technically you could but it is far easier to move more and/or eat less.
she probably doesn't want to lose weight due to branding reasons. Shit's that fat chick that can sing and she owns it snap snap snap
Speaking of which, how is Meghan Trainor's career doing now? She used to be the fat chick that can sing and owned it, then she lost 60 pounds. Idk whether that helped or hurt her career.
She had a kid with the boy from Spy Kids and is taking a break
All these "Who?" "celebrities".
I am so old.
With lungs that big I sure hope so
Oh yeah, for sure. But that’s what happens when you get famous by appealing to loser mentality and victim crowd, you cut yourself off from self improvement and better living. Cause if she did lose weight, all her fatty audience would turn on her for bettering herself.
Quite a shame, cause with all her money, resources, and more free time than the average person I’m genuinely curious how fast it would take for someone of her size to go back to normal healthy weight (assuming she did it through dieting and exercise and not through surgery)
I can’t imagine having that kind of money and still being fat. I just think about how if I had millions and millions of dollars and all that free time, how utterly fit and peak health I could be. Build my own custom home gym so I don’t have to commute to a public gym and wait on equipment; regular access to a dietician to monitor my weight and body fat and tweak my diet as needed; a personal chef to make you a variety of tasty and nutritious meals instead of bland meal preps that sit in your fridge for half the week; and all the free time you need to get 1 or 2 workouts in a day while still having the time to sleep and recover.
9 months. a year tops
starve the b***h for 6 months and then you build her back up again
Can you out train a shitty diet
>Technically yes
>Will you? No
1 ben n jerry's is equal to 2 hours running. If you eat +1200 calories you could potentially burn it off, but you would already be in great shape to be able to workout that much.
ben n jerrys is for roodypoos
You will blow your joints bones ligaments tendons and muscles the frick out attempting to do enough cardio daily to counteract eating like a pig and this behavior is an eating/mental disorder without a doubt
How bad is bad? 3500 calories? 4500? 10000? Even when I was sedentary and eating whatever I wanted I never got heavier than 220lbs 6ft tall, so regular exercise had me dropping weight fairly easily even while eating shitty. I’m not sure the really huge people could do it eating like they do.
Boy, her collapsing on stage from a knee injury would be fun to watch.
Yes, but it is only under rare circumstance. I used to lead hikes out in Montana for months at a time. Would basically just eat, Velveeta, Jerky, died fruit, and candy.
Lost 50lbs in 4 months.
Was also carrying 80lb pack up and down 10,000ft+ mountains for 12 hrs a day.
I think you can, you just don't want to. I know a lot of martial artists that "retired" from tournaments and weight classes that are actually full blown alcoholics. They still work out and do horrid amounts of cardio, like 3+ hours daily, that did not get fat. They do not have that chiseled sub 8% look though, but from what I can tell are in their mid 10s, low 20s, but drinking like 20 pints a day everyday.. So probably, if you are trained enough to put your body through this cardio marathons you could..
Only if you spend so much time exercising you don't have the time to eat too much trash.
It's possible, sure, but the reality is that most eating an excess in calories are already not running in the first place. It takes significantly more effort to burn off calories than it is to not consume them in the first place.
Only for short periods of time. I lost a significant amount of weight in my twenties. I was walking all the time. Then I'd even schedule two extra walks a day. I probably walked entire days. Then I gained it back and lost it again in my thirties. That time I was exercising two to three hours a day. Once I couldn't do that anymore I gained it back again. Took me until my forties to learn the secret. Stop eating you fat fricks. Honestly. It's 99% diet. Makes it easy. You don't need to eat every day. When you do eat. Avoid fat. You can eat a ton of carbs IF you don't mix it with fat. You can also avoid all carbs and only eat fat and protein, but good luck with that because everybody I've seen lose weight that way is now a hundred pounds heavier than before they did that keto shit.
There was a runner who tried this and died of a heart attack even though he was technically fit. I don't remember his name though.
as long as your ligaments and joints play along (unlikely for the referenced person) and you have several hours to spare, sure. but the willpower required to run that long is much greater than that to just eat less
>high-calorie
yeah
>exclusively goyslop, like fricking 6000 daily cals worth of takis, twizzlers, totinos pizza rolls, and Frappuccinos
no
That shit will not provide the micros and macros needed to fuel the extra work you need to put in, even at a healthy bmi you'll stroke out and die.
Theoretically yes, but:
1) running and cardio burn a lot less calories than many people think. Especially if you’re not already an athlete and thus won’t be able to do it at extreme intensity required to burn more than you’re taking in
2) you can put run a high calorie diet, but you can’t out run one that’s lacking in macros and micros to fuel the run.
Many years ago, when I was in my early 20s, I used to work in a factory which was labour intensive. I used to do an afternoon shift and eat dinner in the cafeteria which sold just shit, burgers, chips etc. That was basically my diet and I didn't exercise and I was quite skinny. I was never a skinny person, I was not fat but a little chubby and I actually lost a good amount of weight doing that job eating shit diet for 2 years. That's an example of calories in vs calories out. I was obviously burning a lot of calories on my shifts. But if you want to build muscle, you are not going to get a good body eating shit calories. Diet and sleep is probably the most important thing along with the right training.
Same-ish situation but worked in a warehouse, burgers and rings, large pizza, dogs and fries. Still ate "right" at home.
You can outrun a shitty diet, but why add extra steps to your goals?
Yes, but mostly it consists of walking a frickton like 30k steps a day. If you walk that much daily you can literally eat whatever and gain weight.
This happens if you ever decide to go on a vacation to somewhere in Europe, I was eating pizza pasta and gelato every day and still lost like 17 pounds in 1.5 months
A couple years ago I hiked the appalachian trail and could easily eat 6k calories per day and still lose weight. Sometimes when I stopped in towns I know I ate around 10k calories a day, still lost weight.
Keep in mind that this is hiking 18+ miles per day with a 50+ pound pack on.
according to google, running at 6mph requires 10 calories per minute.
i'm also going to use calculator.net for some stuff here. these calculators are really bad, but i'm just going to use it to establish benchmarks anyway. i'm calculating bmr for an inactive 30 year old male weighing 300lb. it's 2327 per day.
6mph is 10 calories per minute, or 600 calories per hour. let's say somebody weighs 300lb and their daily caloric intake is 3000 per day. that's a surplus of 673 calories.
forget all the complexity of differences in ability, genetics, adaptation, and all that. forget the increased metabolic rate post-exercise. let's just work with the raw generalized (bullshit) stat as a benchmark so we can do a simple abstraction.
at a surplus of 673 calories a day, a 300lb person would have to run 6mph for a little over an hour just to reach maintenance calories.
a 300lb pig can't run 6mph for over an hour, so this isn't realistic at all. it just gives us a very general benchmark for developing a broad understanding of the effort required to counter caloric intake.
it's not generally realistic that anybody can outrun a shitty diet. especially when you consider how insulin impacts energy (e.g. general lethargy), how all the other hormonal problems impact body behavior, mental health of people on shitty diets serving as an impediment to discipline, motivation, and initiative, the general lack of discipline that is a prerequisite for maintaining a shitty diet, and so many other factors, and that's just with a 673 calory surplus.
consider also that bmr calculators GREATLY overestimate caloric intake requirements, and consider that people on shitty diets (assuming they're overeating, rather than undereating) are at a greater surplus than 673 calories, and you can easily estimate, with the above benchmark, that they'd need to be rigorously exercising at least 2 hours per day.
it's not happening.
>moving this much
>still image
Checkmate atheists
>some globohomosexual fake celebrity
Wew
we've created food that is too calorically dense and easy to binge that burning it off isn't feasible.
I HATE YOU FAT LIZZO
I FRICKING HATE YOU GIRL
I HATE YOU FOR COMING OUT
WITH THAT FLOSS UP
YOUR FRICKING FAT ASS