>cancer treatment causes cancer
wtf? why is science so stupid?
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>cancer treatment causes cancer
>cancer treatment causes cancer
wtf? why is science so stupid?
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Medical 'science' is primitive as frick
>lets just try these random chemicals and see what happens over a study group
>cut body parts off and let the body fix the damage because we don't know how
The cancer industry is very lucrative. What makes you think their business model is stupid?
And why would they use any of the many cures (many of which have little to no side effects) when that doesn't give them lifelong paying customers? There are people who had their "terminal" tumors removed by water fasting, it's literally free. There's also good reports for intravenous vitamin C. There are many others as well, but the whole paradigm of the medical industry is flawed and exists to push pills and products for profit.
Hospitals would be among the smallest business buildings if they actually cured people rather than created recurring patients. You can also look into how baby/infant injections will often cause chronic issues in children and create more recurring customers, whereas unmolested children will be as healthy as an ox.
It's not so much random but banks and industries behind the chemicals they're pushing.
Sort of how they dump fluoride into the water supply when it's just industrial waste. It's not like watering your yard or washing your car or dishes or showering with fluoride or drinking it could help your teeth.
>And why would they use any of the many cures (many of which have little to no side effects)
Such as?
Perhaps you should read an entire post before replying.
Your post sounded pretty stupid by that point already so no
>>>/b/
You are moronic, your life is worth nothing but Individuals like Steve Jobs are worth a significant percentage of the revenue that medicine make. Curing them would be financially beneficial but they still die
look, I'm not a secret-cure-for-cancer guy, but you and many others seriously underestimate the delusions and group-thinking of experts
Steve Jobs died of AIDS, not cancer
as long as hes dead, thats what counts the most
>2021+3
>still trusting le soience
five years ago I'd be on board with these buffoons
but the unbearable truth is that doctors/researchers/etc are either frauds or incompetent, often both and more often than not bought by some company to sell their new prototype snake oil
>all cancers are different
is a stale lazy excuse, we have complete human genome mapping for any individual and have a general understanding of how tumors work, each and every one of the zillions of categories
big companies just don't want a solid treatment for everyone, mere mortals are not worth the investment
>muh steve jobs
everytime, Apple dude is the only one you bring up whenever cancer and rich people are debated
nevermind the billionaires or trillionaire families that get all kinds of preferential treatments and preventions, most of which the average joe doesn't even know exist
steven jobs' death is some kind of survivor bias in reverse for redditor big pharma bootlickers
nevermind he did everything in his power to die as soon as possible
nevermind he got probably one of the worst forms of cancer there is
nevermind all the other rich dudes that get full genetic mapping and prevention decades before a possible diagnosis
you're all clowns
"all cancers are different" has always been the go-to catchphrase to "own" people who think critically and differently
all venoms are different too, yet it's piss easy to create anti-venoms
infections too, yet antibiotics are generally effective against most bacterias and dying of infection in the first world is almost unheard of
it's always the same
excuses excuses excuses
and a shitton of potential treatment researches get shut down before any trial or proper analyses just like that
gotta get that sweet ol' chemo shit compound from the 1960s to kill this thing inside you, nevermind it completely cripples your immune system and makes you miserable and never works
>all venoms are different too, yet it's piss easy to create anti-venoms
because it's easier to destroy than to repair. cancers are created by defects in cellular machinery. the only response we have is destruction.
all you have is feelgood cynical rhetoric that obscures the underlying issues. even if big pharma was wholly benevolent, you would still have these problems because our medical technology is incredibly low resolution compared to what the ideal would be. we're still in the medical dark ages.
>gotta get that sweet ol' chemo shit compound from the 1960s to kill this thing inside you, nevermind it completely cripples your immune system and makes you miserable and never works
CAR-T isn't chemo and it works. have you actually been with cancer patients and seen the difference in patient outcomes? or are you just another smug ignorant moron who conflates everything together as the same thing as long as it fits their narrative?
>reeeeee!!! muh narrative is better than ur narrative!!!
>everyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed!!!
zero self awareness
and an IQ of similar magnitude
It's not about competing narratives. It's about looking at the underlying logic of nature. You think this is a competitive drama class, and I'm telling you straight up to drop that shit in the trash where it belongs. Big pharma deserves a lot of scorn, but here is not one of them.
No one cancer is the same, even under the same category. You have to make a unique rna vaccine to fight the cancer within a short time frame before it mutates to have a chance of getting an effective immune response. There's also cancers that evolve the ability to defend themselves from the immune system so immunotherapy doesn't work on those patients.
>No one cancer is the same
>Cancers evolve to do X
You've been saying this for 60 years, possibly more, and you've come up with zero solutions. Worse, some independent research labs studying ways to overcome this issue were magically shut down after announcing breakthrough discoveries regarding cellular mutation.
Despite being the leading cause of death in the first world the international pharmaceutical companies don't seem to care too much about solving this puzzle, don't they?
But for a super-giga virus that required the entire world to shut down for 18 months a vaccine was created less than a year after the virus was discovered.
Also if they really are considering all options and working their ass off for a (series of) treatment(s), why is the death rate skyrocketing? Why are diagnoses at an all time high? Despite people smoking less and less, and drinking even less? And eating healthier? Why still pump toxic chemical compounds hoping for the best? Why is prevention and screening basically only an advertisement and not a reality for most people?
Why is a multibillion dollar business unable to cope with these issues?
Really makes you think uh.
>inb4 le viruses are easier to treat than cancer
For the sake of clarification, that's not the point I'm trying to make. Let's see if you catch what my point is.
Sources for my claims:
>https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2023/06/billions-spent-on-cancer-research.page
>https://www.earth.com/news/older-adults-are-much-happier-and-healthier-than-they-were-30-years-ago/
>https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/02/health/who-cancer-estimates/index.html
>https://www.who.int/news/item/01-02-2024-global-cancer-burden-growing--amidst-mounting-need-for-services
>https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/98299/government-losing-grip-on-health-screening/
Also I deliberately chose "peer-reviewed" libshit approved websites just in case some soiboi comes out calling me a chud .
>Also if they really are considering all options and working their ass off for a (series of) treatment(s), why is the death rate skyrocketing?
moron, 5yr and 10yr survival rates have increased substantially across the board.
>And eating healthier?
obesity increases every year.
>5yr and 10yr survival rates
Biggest meme ever in the field. If anything it's because less aggressive forms of cancer, especially more visible types of skin cancers, are diagnosed more often. The 5 year survival rate for the three main killers (lung, bowels, breast) has barely moved.
Also statistics and math aside, is it really healthy to brag about postponing the inevitable by a few months?
>obesity increases every year.
Because more people are alive now than before. It's true it has increased percentage wise in the US, but not proportionally to the cancer deaths/diagnoses.
Also muh obesity. Yes fat people are at greater risk but it's just one factor. Pretty much everyone on Earth is exposed to one or more cancer inducing factors. Like cigarettes, the boogeyman and often scapegoat of the cancer industry.
>If anything it's because less aggressive forms of cancer, especially more visible types of skin cancers, are diagnosed more often
and then they get treated earlier, so people don't have to treat them when they've already metastasized beyond oblivion. besides, you're missing the whole point. if early diagnoses are good and drastically improve long-term survival rates, then that means *the treatments work*
>Also statistics and math aside, is it really healthy to brag about postponing the inevitable by a few months
it got me 4 more years of quality time with my Dad, which helped us patch over some stuff and brought the family closer together. so, no, it's not just a few months, and yes it is absolutely worth it.
>fighting cancer with billions of variations is the same as developing a vaccine for a certain strain of virus
moron
People in firstie countries are fatter than ever, older than ever, all around physically in a worse condition than ever before. And it's becoming worse every year, it's no surprise that cancer rates follow.
>Fighting your own body is harder than fighting a foreign agent
I'm never gonna defend big pharma cause they're israelite homosexuals preying on the common folk, so I won't. Glad that people are shitting on them
Got any examples of these rich people miracle treatments?
Look up in sci-hub
so you don't have any examples to back up your insane claims
https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1753814626234503579
good link
>paracetamol just works okay
Are you saying they don't know how paracetamol works
are you saying that they do?
Yes
how much of a midwit do you need to be to make this post holy frick
Eating food can increase appetite. Increasing protein consumption can increase wasting of protein. Hygiene can increase pathogenic microbes. Caffeine can increase fatigue. Drinking water can be dehydrating. Why can't you understand the basic physiology of negative feedback systems?
Pretty much all cancer therapies increase the risk of causing another cancer. It’s just the nature of the treatment (interfere with fast-growing cells). Car-t is a very targeted treatment and over 90% effective (no one will say it’s curative but for example legend biotech’s treatment is basically curative) with the small chance that a t-cell will go rouge.
moronic clickbait headline
+2
+1
other posters are ignorant
Overly simplistic headline. It's quite simple if you understand how the immune system works. CAR-T only "causes" cancer because it's designed to make your T cells attack your B cells. This is what you would want if you're dealing with something like, let's say, lymphoma, as the B cells are cancerous and need to be eliminated. But if your B cells are wiped out even temporarily, then it hampers your body's ability to identify tumors, thus allowing cancers to proliferate when they would otherwise be destroyed. However, technically, CAR-T isn't a carcinogen, since it isn't causing the cells to become cancerous themselves, nor is it interacting directly with tissues to make them cancerous. What's causing the cancer is the fact that your immune system has to be turned "offline" in order to clear out the cancer within it.
It's a similar reason why certain cancers like lymphoma and melanoma have a vicious relationship with each other. In order to treat one, you have to "boost" the other. This is probably why the only "cure" to cancer is a comprehensive understanding of the body, because every cancer has a unique etiology, and no cancers are alike beyond abnormal cell growth.
This is just a concession to the fact we don't have a comprehensive genetic therapy for cancer.
Because it's impossible. There's a billion genetic defects that can cause cancer. Every cancer is unique.
just run the data through a computer it cant be that hard.
we often don't even know what to look for, what we're able to look for can be "low resolution" at a times, and collecting and analyzing the data itself is expensive and often invasive and dangerous (e.g. bone marrow biopsies).
its a lot harder of a job than you imagine. much harder.
>go to doctor
>get false positive cancer diagnosis (extremely common, doctors love false positives because it makes them $$$ so they have confirmation bias in favor of false positives)
>get cancer treatment
>get real cancer caused by cancer treatment
>die young
alternatively
>never go to doctor
>live out your normal lifespan
penalty for doctor giving a false positive diagnosis for cancer: none
penalty for doctor not giving a false positive diagnosis for cancer: lost income
>just take this cancer treatment, if you don't already have cancer you'll get it eventually as long as you keep up the treatment
>go to any business
>ask them "should i give you lots of business and make you rich?"
of course they all answer affirmatively
doctors are no different from any of them
asking a doctor for a diagnosis is like asking to be lied to
Its like asking a used car salesman "should I buy this car from you?"
>doctors love false positives
its also good for the medicine statistics how much people got cured from cancer
doctors give you cancer again to make money off of you
Doctors are extremely greedy, they all go into the profession to begin with because of the financial aspect and for no other reason
keep someone sick forever and you will make money off of them forever
simple as
>keep someone sick forever and you will make money off of them forever
only if the have health insurance
and now you know why the government mandates that everyone have health insurance
In this case you’re the moron and the headline is click bait. CAR-T therapy is an extremely effective treatment, in fact it’s that good at handling cancer it’s basically a cure. Any cancer patient would be happy to take a slightly increased risk of cancer some time in the future for a >95% success rate of cure right now.
I wouldn't + if it is neuroendcorine tumour then I doubt it would even work for it
>if it is neuroendcorine tumour then I doubt it would even work for it
good thing it's not being used for neuroendocrine tumors you fricking troglodyte
does anybody even fricking read anymore?
>CAR-T therapy is an extremely effective treatment
>it’s basically a cure.
nope, its a cause.
>kill cancerous immune system cells
>disabled immune system can't identify and destroy tumor cells for a few months while it recovers from treatment
>tumors that normally would get wiped out by the immune system are allowed to continue growing
that's the only cause. which is really not the fault of the medicine but rather a downstream consequence when an entire system of the body starts to fail due to cancer and has to be "reset"
>how should we prevent cancer?
>I know, we'll give the patient AIDS, that way they'll die of AIDS instead of cancer
why are scientists so stupid?
you don't get AIDS from the treatment moron.
What the frick do you mean "prevent" you fricking moron, it's called cure.
Now, which is better, fricking dying or having AIDS for two months.
have a nice day.
If CAR-T therapy is so good at defeating cancer and is basically a "cure" why is it rarely used?
It’s extremely expensive right now because it’s still cutting edge
How long until it becomes a normal routine treatment? I want it available by the time I get cancer, if I get it, which I assume would be decades from now if I ever do. Will it be normalized in 10-20 years?
20 years for sure, but yeah I could see 10 years being a decent chance.
in 10 years all of the doctors who are currently in medical school on diversity admissions will be practicing and the already enormous death rate from medical errors will have skyrocketed even higher, at that point going to visit a doctor will be almost certain death
imagine the massive profits for the health insurance industry in a country where nobody goes to the doctor because they know doing so is certain death, but where everyone is required by law to pay for health insurance
thanks, obama
Tissue penetration is poor, so CAR-T is shit at solid tumors and is (so far) only clinically successful for malignant B cell cancers. We are improving targeting, potentiation, and combination therapies for CAR-T but are also working on other avenues for treating solid tumors.
Outlook of cancer being "cured" in the sense that if I get cancer, my chances of dying from it are very low? I.e. not a "you'll live for an extra 5 years if you get this treatment but that's it." I'm looking for a "you'll live the rest of your life and die from something other than cancer, like getting hit by a car or heart failure.
Cancer is one word describing so many diseases with different causes, diagnostic methods, and etiologies that you may as well be asking "what about if I get sick though?"
CAR-T therapy effectively cures a few specific types of cancer. For some types of breast, colon, testicular, and skin cancer, we have very effective treatments i.e. it kills all the cancer. However when you live in a world of carcinogens you may get another type of cancer, or it will be diagnosed too late for treatments to work well.
It causes cancer
Polio vaccines cause polio. Lmao. Imagine trusting the medical industry at all. People get these awful "treatments" and feel worse after, yet they still put all their trust in the medical industry. It's all so moronic and it's pointless to try arguing with these people because they worship credentials over results
i hear if u eat a lot of carrots your piss turns orange. yet the medical industry recommends eating carrots.
they're high on their own supply.
try beets or rovellons if you want that effect
It's almost like science is about experimentation.
does the covid vaxx cause cancer, and if so how can I invest in cancer?
If you can figure out how to only target malignant cells without damaging healthy cells, you will either a) be hailed as the savior of humanity for all time b) be killed by insurance companies so they can continue to juice cancer patients for treatments without your meddling
CureSec
>Man of the Cures
>cures are designed according to the words you use to label them
I'm not quasi intelligent but I could be and that's not annoying but if I was it would be an insult.
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*powst
its fake, elderly political figures who are on the verge of being prosecuted often claim to be terminally ill in order to escape scrutiny
>you wouldn't prosecute a dying man, would you?
>thats so mean!!
There was a mayor in my town 20 years ago who was busted for corruption and immediately quit the office and claimed "I'm dying of cancer so you can't prosecute me". She ended up living another 17 years, she was 85 when she died. Yes, she was israeli.
vera katz?
>you can't investigate my 15 trips to epstein island, because I have cancer.
what kind of cancer? throat, dick or ass cancer from HPV?
prostate cancer
the kind that doesn't kill you unless you treat it
so you cant say you didnt know
>no refunds
OWNED
hahaha oh wow
omg
also this
I was forced to be a vaxxies
this mfker volunteered to be a vaxxies
>I was forced
you allowed yourself to be easily coerced because it was convenient for you and because you're a pussy
not everyone is a fricking 300 pound NEET. Yeah, coerced motherfricker. You wouldn't be able to stand up at all let alone to authority.
i was jabbed cause i was a minor with my dad
FML.
pwnd
>chimeric antigen receptor therapy
people actually get this shit lmao
boomers will literally put anything in their body if you tell them they have cancer
Yea so india has lowest cancer rate PC
Itd be from thier food consumption of anti-inflammatory spices/cuisine.
I was talking to my indian tour guide in transit, i was putting on sunscreen (melanin yadda yadda) and we came to the topic of diseases.
He mentioned that people in india dont have these problems (western maladies).
He didnt expand on the subject, though I could tell he meant almost all medical problems westerners have in a general sense.
Rajesh Khanna died of cancer
most people in india don't live long enough to die of cancer, usually something like cholera gets them.
this is the same reason why chimpanzees don't get cancer, their average lifespan in the wild is only 30 years
vegans intentionally ignore that fact and claim its because of the chimps' diet
Chimps aren't vegans tho
vegans happily ignore that too
Good question
I'm here hoping to skip figuring it out too
Neural network training is forced learning?
Mice look post annunaki and post nephilim and post Hu (aitocap) treated as home beings?
Skip to the modern good
>OP thinks all cancers are the same
>OP doesn't understand that some hardcore shit in your body to treat one problem can cause another
>wtf? why is science so stupid?
it's not science being stupid, it's pharmaceutical companies being smart. science is just a tool, it can be used as a means to anything by anyone.
dumb things are dumb
scientists are dumb so they do dumb things
Killing cancer cells often damages other cells
Would you rather die of cancer or live with an increased risk of other cancers?
>why is science so stupid?
They're not doing it by accident, they make massive profits off cancer treatment,
One thing you never see in economic reports is "theres been a big slowdown in the medical care economy, everyone stopped getting sick".
If doctor were really good at what they were doing and if medical science was improving over the years then you would see reduced need for doctors over time. The fact that the opposite is occurring pretty much proves that you should never trust your health to a doctor.
also infant's foreskins
Why is a baby's foreskin worth $500?
sure would be interesting to find out who is buying baby foreskins for $500 apiece
You don't want to know
Riddle me this
If we accept the conspiracy theory that drug companies don't want a proper cure for cancer and only fund research for long-term expensive treatments, why won't governments and insurance companies fund research for proper cures?
Surely they'd (insurance & governments) save billions on cancer treatments if there was a definitive cure available.
governments don't care about saving money, its not their money. they don't want to be frugal, they want to spend as much of other people's money as they can, they would rather spend your money than let you keep it
Whats up with the israelites' foreskin obsession?
Why are they so fixated?
jealousy of people who have functioning dicks
The more soiyence works on a cure for cancer, the more people end up getting and dying of cancer.
>scyence is the cancer
Thats not by accident
>why is science so stupid?
Thats not by accident, they're doing it to drum up more business for themselves
Yet doctors still prescribe those drugs, but only because theres a profit in it for them
thats the only thing they care about. doctors go into their field because it has a reputation for being highly compensated, the field attracts greedy people, not honest ones
you get more money from treating a patient than curing them, and you get even more money if you keep them sick
>why is science so stupid?
perverted by the israeli element, same as with all other institutions
jews are low IQ, every field they join soon becomes hopelessly stupid
Don't treat the cancer that is killing the patient right now and he'll be dead in a few months.
Treat the cancer that is killing him right now and he'll survive but he now has a higher chance to get cancer again in the next 5 years.
Pretty much all cancer treatmenst execept surgery work like this because cancer cells are human body cells, so whatever you use to kill cancer will also harm healthy cells.