Is it true that pre-exhausting your chest on isolation exercises like pec deck before your heavier compound movements will activate your chest more and lead to better gains?
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I get more doms from pushups than bench press
>activation
>doms
DYEL thread eh? Bunch of exercisers itt. Try training.
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Your turn. Ill wait while you pre-exhaust your anus
Dyel. You're not qualified to give advice or post frick off homosexual
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>bald
>dyel
This is the ppl that give you advice here on fit kek
so this is the guy calling me DYEL all the time..
Not even him but he is ohping 2 plates lol meanwhile nobody posted body back you all are pathetic assuming all 4 of these posts arent some assblasted samegay
>claims not to be him
>calls lmao1plate 2 plates
push pressing one plate is loke 6 months of training with worst possible genetics.
>I am le muscular wojak, thats why I dont provide any proof of results of my training methods
Me too so I stopped bench and threw in so some dips chest feels better now
Do you guys think that you're special specimen for who bench just works differently and whose bodies defy physics? Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, your bench technique sucked?
I know the answer, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
I learned how to bench in highschool football with swollen weightlifting coaches so I know what I'm doing. All I can tell you is when I do pushups I get more doms than bench press. I can't go quite to failure at the same point doing bench as pushups without a spotter 🙂
Flat back wide grip thumb over push with your thumb and knuckles. They don't make a bar that looks like a floor, it is what it is.
bench works fine, pushups feel better wehn i use push up bars, as the other anon said you go to fail without a spotter with no worries
You don't know the answer or you wouldn't have made such a moronic comment.
Muscle insertion, limb length, prior physical activity for specific muscle group (over the years) and general genetics dictate which exercises provide best gains for specific muscle groups.
While bench activates the most musculature, in general, for the pushing movement to recruit chest and shoulders, many individuals will see better gains from different exercises.Welcome to the real world.
Crazy, I know.
Chest and triceps, not shoulders, typo.
Shoulders have hands, hips have feet.
Yer, I dont feel bench press at all in my chest. I do better with machines
Same sadly. It's triceps for me. Granted my technique is probably off? I don't know. I have long arms, maybe it's something to do with that?
Dips work like a charm for me
My chest has grown a lot but I do not feel the bench press or dips, or incline, or anything really. Maybe a bit more with flies.
I think the "feeling" the muscle is bullshit. I don't even feel discomfort in my triceps from dipping, but they have grown a huge amount.
All I feel is fatigue at some point, where I just can't contract the muscle anymore.
I feel sore if I do really high reps, and I ONLY get doms if I haven't used a particular muscle for a while.
I don't know how or why bench press got so popular, the reason for this is scapular movement. You know, the mechanic required for proper chest utilization=?
Hell yeah brother that's why I love pushups and benchpress. Dumbell flies are pretty cool too.
Try doing some tricep exercises
I don’t know but i will tell you that overdeveloped chests from bench look like shit. Weighted dips are the true master race.
Just work on your bench form.
Yes but you don't really want to pre exhaust, just activate with a warm up set to achieve what you described.
It doesn't have to be pec deck, it can be any other chest exercise but to just activate the muscle and not pre exhaust do a moderately heavy lift without going to failure.
I personally prefer overcoming isometrics for this same purpose but any exercise works.
just stretch mang
Stretching before an exercise reduces strength and likelihood of injury.
how does using a pec deck not sap more strength
nope sorry eh eh wrong
Pre-exhaustion techniques involve performing isolation exercises before compound movements to target specific muscle groups. While some people believe that pre-exhausting muscles can lead to better muscle activation and gains, the evidence is mixed.
The idea behind pre-exhaustion is to fatigue the target muscle group with isolation exercises before moving on to compound exercises, such as bench presses, to ensure that the target muscle is the limiting factor during the compound movement.
However, research on pre-exhaustion techniques has not consistently shown significant benefits in terms of muscle activation or strength gains compared to traditional training methods. Additionally, pre-exhaustion can potentially compromise performance during compound movements, leading to decreased strength and power output.
Ultimately, whether pre-exhaustion is beneficial depends on individual factors such as training experience, muscle imbalances, and personal preference. Some individuals may find that incorporating pre-exhaustion techniques into their training routine helps them feel more connected to the target muscle group, while others may not experience significant benefits.
As with any training method, it's essential to experiment with different approaches and listen to your body to determine what works best for you. Additionally, seeking guidance from a qualified fitness professional can help ensure that you're using pre-exhaustion techniques safely and effectively.
thanks chatgpt
Getting tired before doing the heaviest stuff is pretty dumb. You don't need to feel the muscle in order for it to do the work.
NO. it's literally the opposite.
Forgot to add, yes, it can work very well. You can still teach your chest to work and recruit it during bench. If pre exhausting your chest to feel it better and to "activate" the muscle is what it takes, then do it.
Bench is still great, it just might take you a while to see gains there compared to other more chest oriented exercises. This is due to your body not understanding the recruitment pattern of that exercise.
my chest is a piece of shit , my DB shoulder press is stronger than my incline DB chest press
No, The best thing to track gains other than just looking at yourself in the mirror (which is very influenced by your state of mind, pump and doesn't change much on the macro level) is your strength in the 6-30 rep range.
If you went from benching 135 for 6 to 185 for 6 your chest almost certainly grew.
Moreover your bench press is correlated with your pec size in an almost 1 to 1 ratio
It's the other way around. You won't be able to lift as heavy as the smaller muscle groups will be already tired and will limit your bench.
You gotta remember people do square rep schemes to move heavier weight for more total reps. If you do that you kinda gotta burn out with 2 or 3 sets later or at the end, perfect for hitting different grip variants.
It's one thing to hit chest more often doing 1 bb one or 2 dbs cables or to wait long enough to hit prs and not go hard enough to hit a pr or last or next session. It gets to a point where it's more about tendons and joints, I burned both of em out last like month.
Pic for vis, my 1rm is now my working weight 1 month ago idk if that's good.
The best way to gain muscle as a natty is by progressive overloading the same movements over long timescales. You will not have a big chest if your max bench is 225.
Gotta treat it like the major compound it is, work on it for like 6 weeks at a time. Instead of 8.
What did he mean by this
The training method in powerlifting for hitting weight so unfathomable(to you) that your 1rm is a but distant cry, unable to be attained again by either powering through hypertophy reps for incredibly long or deloading.
Nah it's fixing your metabolism, fat helps nutrients absorb and butter or fatty meats is the answer. I went from like 2500 to 4000(while lifting like 5-6 days a week albeit) by eating 1/4-1/3 stick of butter a day.
Just straight up I just took a hunk of butter ste it right there, chicken broccoli and rice otherwise.
If you eat 4k calories and don’t progressively overload your muscles you won’t force adaptation and won’t get stronger
Well yeah of course, if you don't put weight or reps on your shir you're gonna be fricked. Sitting there, lifting, eating, etc and you gain no strength at all.
when i go heavy like 3x5 / 4x4 / 5x3 on flat bench is it normal that i dont really feel a burn in my pecs? also how is a 3x8 with close grip bench giving me more of a chest pump than with regular grip width (same intensity)? am i moronic?
Go wider and strengthen your core, idk what actual big boy weight is like tbh but I'm gonna guess you're gonna get a chest pump no matter what grip you use.
You shouldn’t feel a burn with low to medium reps, your muscles only burn when you have lactic acid buildup which only happens when you’re burning glycogen and running out of oxygen due to being out of breath.
Jeff says this is dead wrong
If you stop when the burn hits, you just wasted your time
Do you want to get bigger or stronger at bench?
If you want to get bigger, then you can absolutely go into bench press pre fatigued. If you want your bench to get stronger, you should go in fresh to enable you to move the most weight possible.