Has anyone here dealt with this?
I've had it for about 15-20 years now. What happens is that every time I exercise, I get a huge amount of lactic acid released, which causes extreme fatigue and a sensation that I'm burning up from the inside out. Sore throat, fever etc often accompanies as well.
I wonder if there is anything I can do.
Apparently this has become quite common now after the C19 "vaxx" rollout (I myself is a pure blood, though).
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unironically try to spend at least 20 hours outside a day, including sleep, like sleep on your porch
its the age-old remedy against all unsolvable illnesses, fresh air
I have tried this when going tent camping. It may have helped a little bit, but not much. I was still getting symptoms after a few hours of walking every day.
I have tried T4 (Levothyroxine) in the past. Can't remember if it helped. From doing blood tests, it seems that my thyroid hormones are within range (although my TSH is on the higher end, around 2). Do you suggest I try it again?
Hehe, yeah pretty shit.
I find that t3 works much better. Personally I try to keep TSH as low as possible.
hey hows t3 alone, i have mcad deficency and a friend advised t 3 alone is better for me. luckily i got a source. got dosing advice? im waiting on bloods atm.
I love it. My thyroid labs looked fine but I had so many symptoms of hypothyroid. Since starting it I feel a lot better, I had horribly low blood pressure that caused fainting spells when standing. Brought my bp up to normal now.
That's technically being a hobo. A healthy one, maybe, but still a hobo.
Yes I'll do that in negative degree weather lmao
Have you tried thyroid hormone?
They just blatantly have arrows pointing out what his problem actually is for no reason. It's like they're just fricking with people who aren't moronic.
I had a desk job and felt this way. I quit and got a job at a sawmill working 4 10hr days instead of 5 8hr days and I have much more energy oddly. Energy as in drive to do stuff. I fall asleep at like =pm on week days but even after I get home I have it in me to clean or read for an hour. If you're doing boring stagnant soul sucking shit then that'll sap you big Time.
Thats interesting. Did you ever have "PEM" (post exercise malaise) as well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-exertional_malaise
Yeah, sounds like me pretty much. I am much better today than I was years ago, after doing several lifestyle changes:
1. More sunlight (I now live near the equator and try to get 10k IU Vitamin D3 from the sun every day.
2. Avoiding mold and chemicals
3. Avoiding radiation (my house is fully wired, no Wifi) and dirty electricity
4. Keto/Carnivore diet with occasional fasting
I am still not able to exercise in such I way that I can build muscle, however. But I am usually able to walk pretty far (this also depends where I am walking - if I walk in pristine nature, I can go on for a long time - if I walk in a dirty city, then I usually crash pretty fast).
Do you recommend a heart rate monitor? So I can make sure to stay outside the lactic zone. Only worry is that they all seem to transmit a bunch of EMF.
Ive been to dozens of Doctors in my life. I stopped visiting them a decade ago though, because all they do is make your problems worse. I trust anon here a lot more.
Ive tried that. I did carnivore for 18 months in a row once. I think it may have helped, although I didnt actually exercise much if anything while I was doing it. Im thinking if I should try it again.
Sounds like you're well on the right track, anon. I prefer to autoregulate my exercise session as I get too competitive when monitoring my heart rate. I haven't looked into their EMF output but it's worth you trying one out for a while and see how you get on, especially if you can borrow one from a friend.
> I get too competitive
This is why I haven't gone to the gym regularly for almost a decade now. I start going and then I want to actually do real work there and I end up crashing/getting ill. It's hard to say "Ill just do 5 pushups today, and maybe in a few weeks I can bump that up to 10". It's demoralizing.
It's tough. I tend to stick with calisthenics for strength.
Set 1 - Stop after the first hard rep.
Set 2 - 70% of Set 1
Set 3 - Only easy reps. 0 if failed set 2
>Avoiding mold and chemicals
I have some in my house. Is it over?
Sleep with you head out of the window. WAGMI
It’s not in the room i sleep in but I’m my office which I’m at least 8 hours a day. What do?
Unironically?
If black mold, scrub clean with diluted bleach. Keep room well ventilated and minimise moisture levels. That worked for me and it hasn't returned in 3-4 years.
I don’t know what kind of mold it is. My dad told me that is just from the moisture because there are some pipes that lose some water. By the way the pic is kinda old I scrubbed the ready to fall stuff that are on the wall.
Frick it seems like it’s over
You can clean the mold away, sure. But it won't fix anything. The problem is not the mold, but the mycotoxins it produces (Aflatoxin, Aspergillus, Penicillium citrinum etc).
Putting bleach on mold makes it release hundreds of times as many toxins. These toxins then stay in the walls, flooring, furniture etc. They cannot be cleaned.
If you're gonna do this, you have to remove all your furniture and porous items before cleaning. Then, you have to run an Ozone machine for 24 hours while you vacate the house. Also wear proper equipment (gas mask etc) when cleaning the mold.
>What do?
Set your office on fire. Heat is a purifying agent.
I would move to a new house.
>Avoiding radiation (my house is fully wired, no Wifi) and dirty electricity
Dont forget to activate your almonds
>Avoiding radiation (my house is fully wired, no Wifi)
wait til this guy finds out that all electrical wires emit an electromagnetic field
I do know that. But it doesn't go very far. You're only affected if you're within 10 inches or so from the wire (sometimes a bit more). I don't have any wires that near me. I measure everything with professional tools.
this guy got it right here.
Modern human always have chronic cortisol elevation.
Human ( especially men) did not evolve to sit around for hours doing boring shits. Ted Kaczinsky talked a lot about this in his writings.
I felt so good when I had a physical labor job even though I was fat as frick at the time. The mind really loves a ton of low-intensity exercise.
I've had ME for 25 years. At times I've been able to work, lift, and have a generally OK life, I've also gone through periods of being completely housebound for several years at a time.
My best guess is that it's some form of central sensitisation, primed by a severe viral infection, illness, or physical breakdown, which causes the immune and metabolic systems to hyper-respond to any physical and / or mental stress.
Best advice I can give is to work on maintaining good posture, joint mobility and your weight. When you exercise, avoid going into the lactic zone and set yourself realistic goals, ie making zero gains but being moderately active and in good health.
yeah get in touch with a doctor instead of morons online who can only guess and have no idea what they are talking about
>Go to doctor
>Well we ran all these blood tests and nothing showed up. Are you sure you aren’t just imagining it? Do you have anxiety? Try taking some ibuprofen.
Tell me you’ve never gone to the doctor for an ambiguous condition (nausea, fatigue, dizziness) without telling me you’ve never gone to the doctor for an ambiguous condition.
Any decent doctor will tell you to frick off and come back when you are actually ill. They literally deal with hypochondriacs all day.
Yeah I’m just imaging being motion sick and feeling like I need to vomit. Get lost, moron.
Sometimes its to do with food intolerances like dairy and wheat and your immune system is overreacting to that and making you tired. Try an exclusion diet for a month and see if it helps. You can get help from a dietitian or gastroenterologist, it could change your life
>trust the experts!
OP went to the doctor, moron
You realize there are different kinds of doctors? A normal doctor can't give you any kind of dietary advice, that's for a specialist like a dietitian or gastro. Food allergies are invisible but can severely impact your life
I also suspect I have sleep apnea. Because every morning when I wake up I feel like death.
Ive also been told by several women that I stop breathing during the night.
so you dont go to the doctor for chronic fatigue or sleep apnea but you ask for advice on how to treat both on a goof forum full of people who think chronic fatigue is fake is sleep apnea is only for fat people.
Ive been to over a hundred different Doctors in my life. None of them has ever helped me. Some of them have hurt me. I don't go visit Doctors anymore. Half of them are evil, the other half of them are moronic.
Go find an alternative/complementary medicine doctor, they're far more amenable to tackling weird amorphous diseases like CFS than conventional doctors. Conventional medicine has nothing at the moment for CFS, so the doctors are not going to be receptive to it
>women
anon, i have news for you
I prescribe a large steaming mug of Man The Frick Up
>Antidepressants
>Get instantly hooked for life, no turning back
>Muscle gains go to shit
Literally won my fight against depression over and over by exercising, eating decently and therapy
This will sound insane to many but you should give a high carb, low fat/protein diet for a bit. I have CFS but when I get in as much carbs as I can I function much better.
>I wonder if there is anything I can do.
How much time do you spend sitting every day?
How much do you walk every day?
There is your answer and your problem.
it is a fake made up disease that women get diagnosed with so they can sit around and not work
Women tend to get autoimmune diseases at much higher rates due to their inherently stronger immune systems required to protect pregnancies. CFS often has autoimmune basis
Take 200 mg of caffeine before lifting. You’ll feel great.
Wish it was that easy.
200? homie it’s 300 minimum for me
I'm in my 30s and have ahd chronic fatigue my entire life. All through school, I'd get home and immediately take a nap. Wad always tired at school. Always slept for 10 to 12 hours on weekends. All through my 20s I chose to sleep instead of hangout with friends. Literally my entire life has just been me being tired. I seriously can't wait to die.
I feel you bro. I hope we'll make it eventually.
Have you tried NMN or NAD+ (Nicotinamide Riboside)? I've had a bottle here at home for like 2 years but haven't taken it. Think I'll try it tomorrow. Lots of interesting reports about it.
If its any consolation, CFS is probably going to get solved when they crack long covid, they're both related postviral syndromes and tons of money is going into figuring out long covid right now because some ridiculous amount of people have contracted it in the past 3 years and are now unable to work, causing massive economic damage
Yeah, I feel optimistic about this as well. There's like 50 times as many posts about this condition online now.
>C19 "vaxx" rollout (I myself is a pure blood, though).
Shut the frick up. Even if you're staunchly against the use of vaccines in general or the Covid-19 vaccines in particular, using the term "vaxx" just makes me want to kick the user squarely in the vegana. I literally think that people who are dumb enough to genuinely believe that vaccines directly cause autism are smarter than the kind of subhuman who'd use "vaxx" in any context. It's vaccine, vaccinate, vaccination, just use the actual fricking word you mongoloid.
Have you considered that you have CFS because you're a fricking moron who uses the word "vaxx" unironically and you deserve it?
vaxxie vaxxie heart attaxie
you mad bro? >:3
>I myself is a pure blood, though
Imagine thinking being an antivaxxer is anything to be proud of, the luddites of the modern era
Shit like this actually gets treated seriously by the clowns in medicine, yet nobody takes my manic depression seriously except for me.
CFS seems like a fake illness until you get it, typically after a virus, and suddenly you're cripplingly tired all the time and nobody believes you and dull homosexuals on forums say its a fake illness
>Boohoo I'm so tired from scrolling on my phone every waking moment
have a nice day
dumb
its not about being tired. its that every time you exert yourself you get ill (feverish, runny nose, sore throat). As little as 5 push-ups can cause it.
Unironically, in the most sincere was possible - you should try yayos pine pollen.
https://yayo.supply?sca_ref=4239927.HxaFQzEUS4
>Nobody can afford a house
>Nobody can find a fricking job
>Companies keep price-gouging every day supplies
>Politicians are literally trying to bribe people so they can't get voted out
>"UHHH WHY ARE PEOPLE SO DEPRESSED? JUST GO OUTSIDE BRO! JUST GET YOUR DICK WET :)"
These grifting homosexuals are getting ready to lose everything. Grab your popcorn and get comfy lads. Also don't do anything stupid. There's confirmed homosexuals going into threads trying to demoralize anons.
Don't fall for it.
Don't respond.
We're all gonna make it.
Get blood work done and check for deficiencies. Increase sugar, low fat milk, fruit and coffee intake. Keep protein moderate, around 100-150g. Keep fats low and cut out oils. Supplement vitamin D. Take more rest days from the gym. Stay warm. Talk with your close ones.
>Increase sugar
sugar is the worst thing a human can consume
Dilate.
Yes
Cancer treatment in 2019 and I couldn't walk 50 meters without having to sit down. Went to therapists but they tried to show me how to "live with it". Went to online forums which were filled with lazy white roasties that could afford to have this problem. They acted like bucket crabs.
So one day I just bought a gym membership (after ego death on 50g fresh shrooms) and got on an elliptical. I worked out until I couldn't, and then some more. My vision went dark and it was fricking awful.
Slowly I made it from 100 meters to 1km at a decently high resistance.
Now I am normal again. I went hiking 2021 where I carried a 20kg backpack over 20km in one day, in pouring rain on a rocky terrain. I'm 29 now and in best shape of my life despite having exercise induced asthma and despite not being able to feel parts of my hands, both caused by cancer treatment.
TL;DR
Don't listen to pussies and don't be one. Push the threshold further back so you don't notice it
Thats an inspiring story. But unfortunately it is not possible with chronic fatigue syndrome. The body attacks itself whenever it exercises. The immune system decides to kill the body. You can't push through it. It only makes it worse.
Time to have a nice day I guess.
>The body attacks itself whenever it exercises. The immune system decides to kill the body. You can't push through it. It only makes it worse.
You're moronic.
Just stop being lazy. It's that simple.
Dangerously based.
>anon survives cancer and couldn't even move a few feet on his own, becomes fit
>"nuh uh, I feel tired, it's ackshually impossible to work out"
LMAO Jesus what a fricking pussy.
Had to get vaxxed for work, and I’ve had chronic fatigue since then. I’ve spoken to multiple people who had exactly the same experience, but if you address it, you’re seen as a conspiracy theorist.
Yes i am currently dealing with it, though i am 99% sure its due to the incredbily boring work i have to do at my internship since i never had this shit when i was still in uni (where i worked 5x harder than in my current job)
Eat 500 kcal more and move 500 kcal more. The rest will sort itself out. We're not cold blooded or anything but we have a lot of mechanisms built in for down regulating expenditure when it's not needed or food isn't as available.
>Apparently this has become quite common now after the C19 "vaxx" rollout (I myself is a pure blood, though).
Yes its sure as hell is because of the vaxx. It would be stupid to assume it that it could be because of the shit they put into our food, because of the ugly enviroments we live in, because of our boring soul draining jobs, because of the polluted air in our citys, because of all the estrogen in our water, because of our socially isolated lives or because of the brainfrying caused by social media, youtube etc. Keep questioning everything except for the things you are told to believe in anon. Be a good goy and keep blaming the vaxx for all your problems
>some people have reported success with alternative medicine
Maybe low testosterone? It's hard to imagine you getting flooded by lactic acid, what exactly are you doing to exercise
My latest testosterone test showed 1100 ng/dl, so above the range. Similar to someone on TRT. So its not that.
> It's hard to imagine you getting flooded by lactic acid, what exactly are you doing to exercise
Two days ago I did three sets of 10 push-ups. I am still not back to normal. Yesterday it felt like I was burning from the inside. My organs, my brain etc. Had a sore throat too.
Check out Lupus, it's an autoimmune disease where your body kind of attacks itself, I get this rash on my nose and cheeks, the pattern is called a "butterfly rash" I thought it was just sun burn but apparently it's indicative of Lupus as well as other things.
There's no fricking cure, but it's nice to know what it is I guess.
My father has Discoid lupus, in which flareups can be hellish. Research is hopefully anon. Best wishes.
Provably incorrect.
>discord lupus
Ser why are you taking photos of pakis ser
having read this thread it just sounds like some people might be suffering from a seasonal affective disorder, some from chronic fatigue and most from regular old mental illness.
Not real. Yuppie flu.
Thanks im cured 🙂
You don’t have “chronic fatigue syndrome” - that’s not even a real thing.
You have little b***h syndrome. Just don’t be so fricking lazy and do the work.
Just get rid of the screens in your life and touch grass on regular basis Black person
eat much more meat. like a meat based diet, and remove the plant junk.
have you had your cortisol levels checked?
how long per day do you spend looking at screens, tv phone ect?
Woman brain. Unironically I prescribe nofap and cold showers. Hope you do better dumbass!!
>Verification not required
never knew cfs was a thing until casey stoner talked about how he retired from motogp because he has cfs.
looked it up and sounds like it's over for you. there's no cure. stoner is still dealing with it today
Yes, sunshine is best cure, also breathing full breaths through nose, and taking daily walks also magnesium pills every couple days, vitamin d and k, zinc and copper, and drinking lots of water, avoid milk and sugar, its inflammation and autoimmune so starve it of sugars and stick to high protein, fats from meat and olive oil or avocado only, no corn oil or corn syrup, spend at least half hour direct sun each day shirt off preferred, early morning in summer so no burn, also lift light weights many reps to train muscles to put out more energy
I feel tired when I wake up 90% of the time. Sometimes I feel like somebody beat me up in my sleep when I wake up kek.
I eat well, get a lot of sleep, very active most days, got a job where I do a lot of thinking and problem solving and move around half of the time. Did blood tests, piss tests, scans, etc. Thyroid is fine, liver is fine, heart is fine, bloodwork is almost perfect, and so on. High tolerance towards stimulants, but I avoid them.
On paper nothing is wrong with me, but I feel tired and lazy a lot of the time unless I focus on doing something, like working out, sex or writing a paper (then my mind becomes laser sharp and I ignore all of the fatigue). Less than 7 hours of sleep and my eyes feel dry, sore all over my body, stiff as hell.
Noticed that I don't get spontaneous erections as often as I used to.
I'm only 25 too, and it's been like that since high school.
So I don't even understand what the source of the problem might be.
You guys might have ADHD which can develop overwhelming fatigue.
Might be a sign of your T levels dropping
You probably have arthritis. Do your hands ever get red on the palms or feel pain when your twist a screwdriver or something? At your age the fatigue and stiffness may be the only symptom but it's there. Start stretching first thing when you wake up. Arthritis is a serious b***h. Lifelong struggle
I just call you people lazy and get on with my life.