Why does it take people so long to figure out CICO??
Im 36 years old, but I remember at about 15 years old I was wondering how all these guys in my school were all shredded but were eating the same junk food as I was, turns out they weren't eating that many calories, and they were more physically active
Sure they had 1500 of McDonalds, but they didn't then go home like I did and eat another 1500 calories of food at home.
It was then I realized it was all calories in vs calories out, at 15 years old.
So how do adults in their 30s/40s/50s+ not understand this?
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Many people, probably most even, dont think about things logically. It's easier to just believe in hearsay and genetics and whatever. I'm the complete opposite. Im so fricking autistic that I cant take anything by face value. Everything must have a logical reasoning.
But most normies just think that bad food bad, good food good. If someone eats bad food and isnt fat = genetics etc. They dont even consider that there is a mathematical equation behind it.
Yeah thats what I hear often
>Oh yeh that guy is just shredded eating mcdonalds, because is is 15 years old, all 15 year olds are shredded bro! muh teenage hormones!
But that isn't true at all, I was 15 and like 30% bodyfat, eating the same shit those shredded guys in my school were eating, the difference is they were eating much less than I was in the day.
I figured that out because when I'd go over to there place, their dinner was maybe at best 300-500 calories, but dinner at my place was like another 1500+ calories. So they were eating maybe 1500 during the day, another 500 at home, but I was eating 1500 during the day, and another 1500 at night
When you get a job its more complicated because you need to have energy all day to perform. You only get that by eating more often and being in a surplus. That's how most people slowly get fat into their late 20s and 30s. I bulk about 15-20 pounds every year then I hike it off during vacation by buring 4000 to 5000kcal per day.
CICO is for midwits.
Stupid people know some foods are fattening. Midwits fall for the calorie psyop. Intelligent people know CICO is a trick used to sell sugar.
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People who use this argument against CICO are not mid wits, but straight up moronic.
CICO works together with IIFYM. You’re not eating 2000 calories worth of sugar. You’re eating foods that will meet your TDEE and hit your macros.
CICO is a lie. Calorie estimates don't inform you how fattening a food is.
It's a lie. It's false. Totally fake and gay.
How hard is it to track macros and eat at a deficit. This has already been established practice by both bodybuilders and also health practitioners as gold standard for losing weight. Literally thousands of studies completed proving energy toxicity as the cause of weight gain.
You’ve got to be trolling right? Am i just arguing with a bot?
It's very easy to use your homosexual food diaries. They don't help people achieve their body composition goals. Never have, never will.
>bodybuilders
They inject hormones because body composition is 100% determined by hormones. Has nothing to do with calories.
>health practitioners
See pic related.
Low IQ
Or genius. Whichever.
you don't have a phd. therefore you're an idiot, in the formal sense of the word
I'm right. You're wrong. Spin that however you want, midwit.
you will never have a phd, and if you ever want to align yourself with the high iqs, know that it will always be via the opposite tail.
I'm a genius. I don't care if you call me moronic because I'm not a sensitive little c**t like you.
I'm right. You're wrong.
Why are you so proud to be a factually incorrect midwit?
>How hard is it to track macros and eat at a deficit.
Extremely hard, as shown everywhere and anytime. You cannot emasure food calories accurately and you cannot measure how much of those calories are individually used and how many are shat out. You cannot measure how many calories you're burning by existing either. All of those are estimations. May be correct, but since we can see for severald decades now that this shit doesn't work and never did, we're all pretty sure our methods aren't accurate. You cna only brute force it via
>eat les suntil you lsoe weight
But that ahs NOTHING to do with calorie measurement anymore. In fact, everyone who "successfully" did CICO for a while is using all kinds of tricks to eat a frickton less than they are allowed to (don't count calories burned by exercise is a common thing here on IST, as an example) and don't really trust the CICO numbers either.
At that point it just becomes an eating disorder, which, funnily enough, is the only way to lose weight on CICO semi-permanently.
>You cannot measure how many calories you're burning by existing either.
You absolutely can estimate it very closely. You feed a person certain foods for which you know the calories then track their weight change over the next 3-6 months.
>You absolutely can estimate it very closely. You feed a person certain foods for which you know the calories then track their weight change over the next 3-6 months.
Nope. That is one of the most inaccurate ways to do it and it shows you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Not to mention: This would mean living in a laboratory for months. And, of course, we don't know how much calories food has. How about you do basic research on how food calories are calculated? You'll shit bricks, because it has to do with literal mouse shit.
>This would mean living in a laboratory for months.
Or you monitor a person everywhere which has been done several times for tv shows.
>And, of course, we don't know how much calories food has.
We do.
>How about you do basic research on how food calories are calculated?
What's your point? It doesn't matter how the calories are calculated as long as the food and portions remain the same. Then you put an arbitrary number on that (calories) and feed it to a person over an extended period of time. That way you calculate their needs.
have a nice day
Technically there is an error associated to measuring calories. In the grand scheme of things it's a rounding error for your TDEE. As for that magic trick practitioners of CICO use to avoid eating a frickton, it's called willpower. Something low IQ fatoids like you don't understand. You think monks are taking some kind of supplement to resist eating? Or eating some special food to not feel hungry? Seriously how fricking braindead moronic do you need to be to act on your basal instincts without overriding them? Just sit down and do literally any fricking task and you'll forget you're hungry and forget to eat. And if you are hungry just grab a SMALL MEAL. I'm talking 200-400 calories. It's that God damn easy. Fricking pigs with zero self control, zero impulse control, giving in to their basal instincts of
>raaaahhhhh I'm hungrooo
You're not even a human at that point. Literally an animal incapable of higher level cognition who eats every fricking think put in front of it like a dog. You disgust me.
As a practioner of CICO, you are still fricking moronic. Willpower is a limited resource that gets used up quite quickly in our modern, stressful world so you need to be in a privileged position in order to muster it.
Obesity is a disease like alcoholism and cigarette addiction. Select few people will successfully battle these addictions on their own, for the rest we need medications.
>Willpower is a limited resource
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Confirmed for being a braindead fricking drone with weak willpower and caves to his carnal instincts. You can't even resist eating until you're in a food coma. You don't understand the difference between satiation and overeating. I'm not exaggerating when I say this, and I'm not memeing either. You legitimately have double digit IQ.
have a nice day, neetcel.
I have a full time job and still find time to lift and cook my meals. I accept your concession though, pig. You admitted you have the willpower of a literal animal.
>we need medications
The solution isn't to put more garbage into your body. It's to put less into your body
So your "solution" is to do nothing and preach the same old mantra that hasn't ever worked? You ever heard of Einstein's definition of insanity?
I can maintain a strong deficit despite working full time while not on ozempic, moron. Most people can't because their lives are too stressful though.
>People are obese because they're stressed
So you're eating because you're stressed, not because you're hungry. Keep the excuses coming piggy. They're easy to refute because there's no cogitation in them.
If you're in a deficit, you get hungry. To battle said hunger, you need willpower. To muster said willpower, you need a less stressful life. I'm not speaking Chinese here, burgertard.
>To muster said willpower, you need a less stressful life
Absolutely wrong. Willpower is associated with IQ. It's why animals like dogs don't have it. Congratulations, you've likened yourself to a literal pet. How about I try some clicker training on your fatass to change your behaviors around food? I'll rub your piggy nose inside your dish if you overeat
>burger
You still have food on the mind too lmao is this argument making you hungry?
>Willpower is associated with IQ.
No it isn't.
>It's why animals like dogs don't have it.
They do.
>we need medications
You will still need to follow cico, you fricking moron, bariatric surgeries and appetite suppressoion drugs just help with it.
Ozempic and related drugs are literally CICO enablers. They force people not to overeat and make it easier to not feel hungry. Even the fattest slobs will have a hard time stuffing their faces with cake on high dose ozempic without throwing up.
>but since we can see for severald decades now that this shit doesn't work
lol wut, you dropped on your head or something?
This is idiotic.
If you're really that worried about the differences between the three macros, you could just ignore it, and literally just go by the weight of your food. If you literally only logged the number of grams in your food, you could still lose weight by lowering the mass of your daily food intake.
But each of the macros DOES in fact burn differently. We know that each takes a different amount of energy to burn. That's actually exactly why we use the calorie instead of the gram.
>this one ad mentions calories therefore CICO is fake
>I can indoolge and eat as much as I want as long as I don't eat le heckin sugarinos
As annoying as keto cultists may be, at least they will eventually suffer the consequences from their shitty diet when they die from strokes or heart disease.
>don't eat food that your ancestors have been eating for a million years
>ancestral foods cause heart attacks and stroke
>get injected with this brand new untested pharma product instead
>it's safe
sugar is good for you
>It was then I realized it was all calories in vs calories out, at 15 years old.
You didn't 'realize' anything. You were just exposed to the same advertising as everyone else.
Children are stupid. Hopefully you grow up someday.
>So how do adults in their 30s/40s/50s+ not understand this?
We all tried it, it doesn't work in most cases.
Ofc, someone who hasn't moved on from his childhood knowledge like you can't understand that.
Accepting CICO means accepting personal responsibility for why you're obese. More importantly, it puts the onus on them to fix their issue with discipline (which they don't have, otherwise they'd not have gotten fat in the first place).
They ultimately feel stuck because discipline is the only way out, and they lack it anyway. So they seek an external solution. Restructure society to meet their needs. Make wider seats, make clothes that fit, give sympathy to them, etc. Then they'll clamor for a medication or superfood or diet soda to drop weight. They lack the discipline for restriction and instead seek a solution via their vice of gluttony.
The only fatty who accepts CICO has already made the first step toward losing weight and likely will. The ones who aren't ready to lose weight will of course stay fat, and those are the ones you see saying how it's impossible for them to lose weight. In a way, they're right. They lack the IQ and the discipline to follow CICO, so they instead merely dismiss it and sometimes even lie about following it as "proof" that it doesn't work.
Why do people who fail on cico succeed when they start eating unlimited calories of protein and fat?
Read your own image moron.
>The weight came back
It means CICO worked but he lacked the discipline to keep it up.
No it means CICO is literally an impossible path to weight loss. Pic related.
You are a biology-denier.
>Do CICO
>Lose weight
>Regain weight
>It's literally impossible to lose weight with CICO
Are you brain damaged?
>try to fly
>plummet to earth
Did he fly?
So you're brain damaged. This is your last (you) from me.
>try to do something
>fail
Did the women firefighters successfully fight this fire?
A calorietard would say the female firefighting team succeeded because they managed to fight the fire until it got out of control and they failed.
Try looking at the result instead of obsessing about the brief moment when your ideas hadn't yet caused disaster.
>“Weight gain”
okay show me the dexa scans for body composition over that time period.
DXA scans ar enotirously inaccurate. They just became the gold standard because the are
a) expensive
b) overestimate fat mass usually
Both are very good things if you earn money by making people do DXA scans.
Dexa scans are used to find the delta between two or more data points. Not a single data point.
Scales are also inaccurate but measuring yourself every week will give you a trend.
Fricking moron. Kys.
>he lacked the discipline to keep it up.
Why did he succeed after he rejected CICO and decided to eat unlimited protein and unlimited fat?
>lose argument
>make new thread
This is you, right OP?
So you were moronic as a teenager then never grew up? Cico doesn’t work. Period. The human body is not a bomb calorimeter
CICO is simple but it ain't easy. Your body is releasing hormones to make you feel hungry when you're in a deficit.
So basically, I should lsoe weight as soon as I become hungry and keep being hungry for as long as possible? Wouldn't it be nice if it was that easy.
You lose weight when you're in a calorie deficit even when you don't feel hungry (let's say because you decided to eat 3kg of cellerie that day).
But you just claimed
>Your body is releasing hormones to make you feel hungry when you're in a deficit.
So you cannot even get your absolute basics straight.
Most tubs i know understand the concept of CICO but are absolutely trash at actually counting their calories going both directions. TDEE calculators aren't generally great and people tend to miss things through ignorance, like a "little" salad dressing or two cream two sugar coffee they get.
Also it's a pretty new problem as people got more sedentary while dense food became more available. It'd be a transitionary period if it were for the delusional fats
>people got more sedentary
That's part of the hoax.
American couch potatoes burn as many calories as African tribesmen who walk 8+ hours daily.
You have a limited metabolism budget and if you spend it walking you just have less energy to run your brain or internal organs or grow hair etc.
dude, why are you lying? the book doesn't say that.
Are you upset, calorietard? Are you frustrated?
>As expected, physical activity level, PAL, was greater among Hadza foragers than among Westerners. Nonetheless, average daily energy expenditure of traditional Hadza foragers was no different than that of Westerners after controlling for body size.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040503
>Obesity study
>Data sample aren't obese people
???????
Allow me to simplify for you, calorietard. Your brain isn't working correctly due to energy deprivation.
>hadza move more
>hadza NOT use more energy
Understand? Exercising to lose weight is part of the CICO hoax. You can't make more 'calories' go 'out' by exercising.
>hadza weigh less
>hadza move more
>net energy expenditure is the same
wow, who could've guessed
>daily energy expenditure of traditional Hadza foragers was no different than that of Westerners after controlling for body size.
What do you think 'after controlling for body size' means?
You're absolutely melting down. I love to see it.
Thank you for admitting fatties should simple eat less
Less carbs, yes.
Wrong. it was the food pyramid that came out. It wasn't the content but the volume. People would consume whole meals and say they needed to get that extra meat or carbs to satisfy the food pyramid.
more carbs. less food
literally everyone understands this. you're mentally stagnated.
t. also 36 and understood this as a teenager
i came to understand later that so-called CICO deniers were actually discussing strategy, not denying laws of thermodynamics. kind of like how I came to empathize with christians more as I got older, without being one myself.
The rampant misinformation (intentional or not) on fitness is disgusting, luckily i managed to find out what works pretty quick but i feel bad for anyone venturing online to find out whats best on their own