>CICO is real. >I live with a roommate, we're both around the same height and weight

>CICO is real

>I live with a roommate, we're both around the same height and weight
>We basically eat the same stuff every day
>I don't do alcohol, drugs, he does
>I train, he doesn't

Still, I'm all flabby skinnyfat and he's just skinny with visible abs. What gives?
Why do people everywhere refuse to accept there's an element of genetics into play? I'm not saying I should give up, but saying that guy needs to same effort to have a good body than me is plain bullshit. He looks better than me without lifting a finger and I try hard.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Start doing drugs and alcohol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If I do alcohol I shit all my gains and my belly becomes alienlike
      I lost

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >start doing drugs and drugs

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    first of all you can't compare yourself to other people because you simply donut know what they do when you aren't around. For instance he could go to the gym when you aren't around, frick women for cardio, run, even doing pushups and shit before bed can result in a superior body to yours. inb4 we spend every waking moment together, you are gay.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you simply donut know what they do when you aren't around. For instance he could go to the gym when you aren't around, frick women for cardio, run, even doing pushups and shit before bed can result in a superior body to yours

      I'm not gay. We live together dude. He doesn't have this weird fitness secret life. He hates exercise

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You eat more than he does. Stop coping, mr. secret eater.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          it's always the same answer, yet anyone who wants to test CICO for themselves can do an experiment where they eat the exact same foods as someone else for a month and watch what happens to their respective weights. no one ever does it because they know it will fail, or they'll blame water weight, etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm not gay.
        Yeah OK buddy let's just scroll back up to the top of this thread to see who was OP

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i'd post again but last time very homosexuals got you konw very homosexual like

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >because you simply donut know what they do when you aren't around
      This. There's a lot of dumb frick know-it-alls on this board when in reality they're just entitled morons that have no observational or self assessment ability

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        first of all you can't compare yourself to other people because you simply donut know what they do when you aren't around. For instance he could go to the gym when you aren't around, frick women for cardio, run, even doing pushups and shit before bed can result in a superior body to yours. inb4 we spend every waking moment together, you are gay.

        I can almost guarantee OPs roommate skips meals and when they do eat (supposedly the same thing together at a dinner table…) that he often doesn’t have the same portion as OP.
        OP claims they do everything together meanwhile this homosexual could be walking to work, going on runs, coming home before OP and going on a run or walk, etc and I’m sure they’re both either students or have jobs or both which means there is almost daily a time when they’re apart for about 8 hours in which case we can assume the dude either skips lunch or has something small like a 150 calorie snack.

        OP just wants to be told CICO isn’t real so he can feel justified in his shitty feelings, quite possibly give up. He is asking for permission from randoms on IST to feel how he feels. Would you believe what someone who can’t even think for themself says? If he actually believed CICO didn’t work he wouldn’t make this thread. He’d think “yup, this guys lucky and I gotta work harder” and then that’s it.

        Every skinny homosexual I have known barely ate. They skipped meals often. Sometimes they’d have a stretch of a few days or a week where they ate three times a day. It’s almost entirely small meals amounting to under 500 calories each. Skip breakfast or lunch and that’s easily at most 1000 calories for the day.
        These are the skinny homosexuals who swear they’re a “hard gainer”.
        Contrastingly, fat morons do the same shit. “Oh I swear I’m in a deficit” meanwhile they’re lying to themself about how much they are, not counting fluids and condiments and ignoring the extra sanwhich they had as second lunch.

        Also look at this fat moron homosexual mcgee sack of rat shit telling OP he’s correct and calling anyone disagreeing a gaslighter. That geek is either a fat b***h or he’s attempting to gaslight OP into giving up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, skipping meals is a big one. I can eat a huge amount but some days I barely get hungry so they balance out.

          And then there's all the random ways you burn calories throughout the day or don't that are hard to measure, probably this is why people used to be skinnier without specific exercise of diet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you are gay
      OP is a gay tho

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people everywhere refuse to accept there's an element of genetics into play?
    because it's a useless distraction. Your roommate's condition has nothing to do with your condition. This is even more important to impress on fatties.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    genetics is like 5% of it, for most of us they arent that important as were not trying to be the next mr olympa or professional athelete. I was skinnyfat/chubby my whole life, then something snapped, like a giga autism moment and i said enough, went to the gym 5 days a week and counted my calories so i was in a deficit and got in 100 ish grams of protein a day, and now im low body fat with visible abs and defined muscles. Stop with the excuses youre not a genetic anomoly that can solve world hunger and needs to be studied by harvard medical school.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >anomoly that can solve world hunger
      You know how much food is thrown away in first world countries?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You know how much food is thrown away in first world countries?
        That's because our tax dollars subsidize excess food production for national security reasons. If we spent even more money shipping that excess to the third world in refrigerated containers it would not only waste additional tax dollars but it would cripple the remaining agricultural industries of those third world shitholes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          leave you Black person

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gotta move more, you lazy piece of shit

      Won't save him if he keeps shoveling sloppa down his gullet.

      why do you sound so fat

      I'm 6'0 and 165 lbs. I'm not fat. I'm just skinnyfat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you are fat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i'd post imagines of me but i'm pretty lazy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Skinnyfat is worse than fat, moron. It means that you're fat but with zero muscle tone, so you look small.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you sound fat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, I actually struggle a lot with gaining weight. Currently 60kg trying to go up to 65.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              sure you are you hungry...im tired of getting put into rehab now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      World hunger doesn’t exist moron.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta move more, you lazy piece of shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Won't save him if he keeps shoveling sloppa down his gullet.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why do you sound so fat

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, genetics affect calories out. People who are not bright can't figure that out.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm all flabby skinnyfat
    CICO over the long haul determines your weight. That it is flabby weight has to do with you being a lazy frick.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    i can burn 4 lbs a week via CICO but you are a fat homosexual so glhf

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    CICO and metabolic theory ate mutually exclusive. Since he believes in calories effecting weight loss, I rightfully told him that he should move more and eat less, as per his dogmatic belief system.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post body

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i post my anorexic body every time and they all shut the frick up. it is boring

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    99% of people who complain about cico are emmentaler elementals, fat familiars, thrush thralls, soda servants and gluttonous golems.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i dont care what you fat fricks think. even after being foreced in paintient i am stil skiller than you fat fricks LUL

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does he walk a lot or work a physical job?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i mean i used cico to go to 13 bmi but i figure most will deny it as they want to be fat lol

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I drink, smoke weed, eat 5000 calories of ice cream a week and I'm lean and can probably rape you and do full body twice a week and fricking hate lifting (6'0 200lbs)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sound fat and ugly

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i'm 6'2 playing foot ball so when i walked to you i'm sure you wouldn't b***h up

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        6'2 is absoutely nothing. 6'5 is the height where shit gets weird. I'd frick you up while eating ice cream

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you sound so fat you'd trip over your own feet you fat frick

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >We basically eat the same stuff every day
    You eat more than him, stop fricking lying fatfrick

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that guy is a joke he sounds like 5'1 and anyone can literally just hold their arm out and he cannot do anything

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >same stuff every day
    >equating with Volume of stuff
    you're a moron

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    to be legit cico is proper if you wanna be ana as it is the only way to do it.
    I've been 14 bmi so if you want to argue it post body

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Genetics, my half brother is the same
    >doesn’t count cals like an autist
    >occasionally works out at a local park doing pull ups or soccer (he’s 22)
    >eats whatever mom cooks or orders Uber at least thrice a week
    >eats out a lot with uni friends
    >never been above 12% bf in his life, despite not caring much for diet or routine
    It’s mostly genetics. People who scream cico don’t know what it’s like to flounder for years

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      here's the thing i an gain/lose 20lbs/wk literally...the fat of the matter is you expend energy you lose sources of energy you fat mother fricker

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        imagine genetics matter god damn you sound fat

        >muh cico muh genetics!
        I have abs and probably mog you, but I have to work twice as hard to keep it. Also jfl at “gain lose 20bs a week”
        Kys gaslighters you won’t post body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can run 40 miles but we don’t do the same. I’m anorexic and you look fat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >that skinny
            >no abs
            Yeah this is what cico does to people kek. You look like you have an ED and the bmi of a teenage girl. Good job I guess

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I’m anorexic
            yeah, I can tell

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine being that thin still with belly pooch. Loll

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              meh i have cum cutters so the homosexuals would like it but no i do need fat since like i said i was a runner

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Looking fertile with that belly anon. Don’t lock your doors

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              sorry not interested in homosexuals as you all tend to be well...homosexuals

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Says the anorexic Black person that browses women's mental illness threads

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nah that's the IST thread but you an find me there too, much like yourself you pathetic homosexual

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not like you could stop them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >starving yourself
            >still being this soft
            bahahahahaha

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >gaslighters you won’t post body
          You got that picture off reddit you turbogay. What, did you think no one would reverse image check your shit?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            oh he is fake? i'm the legit graptfruit can guy but if we got lazy guys i'm not going to bother

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i guess i could post the SH stuff to verify but that' more /b/ related

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >gaslighters you won’t post body
          You got that picture off reddit you turbogay. What, did you think no one would reverse image check your shit?

          i guess i could post the SH stuff to verify but that' more /b/ related

          Not only is OP being gay by larping as another man's 2 year old picture, the actual person in the picture is actually a CICO enthusiast.
          This level of irony is honestly quite priceless.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they probably have good genetics but they brainwash themselves to think they had to go the extra mile/struggle to get where they're at.
      happens a lot with good looking people. they have no idea what it is for some people.

      I mean if I was ripped by just breathing, I probably wouldn't say "it's genetics", i would say I train a lot and eat religiously. humans are weird

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I don’t do that shit. I’m

        https://i.imgur.com/hcaxOb6.jpg

        [...]
        >muh cico muh genetics!
        I have abs and probably mog you, but I have to work twice as hard to keep it. Also jfl at “gain lose 20bs a week”
        Kys gaslighters you won’t post body

        and just to remain this lean I basically have to eat like a teenage girl. Don’t look like this anymore but I’ve been lean before; it wasn’t easy. It wasn’t just “cico” I had to be constantly moving just to not gain a bit of fat
        Since discovering alcohol I can’t get the full 6 anymore
        This is IST idk why they have tk gaslight so hard.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/hcaxOb6.jpg

          [...]
          >muh cico muh genetics!
          I have abs and probably mog you, but I have to work twice as hard to keep it. Also jfl at “gain lose 20bs a week”
          Kys gaslighters you won’t post body

          Average CICO hater.
          Frick these homosexuals, CICO is literally cope for midwits to feel smart.
          >oh it's thermodynamics
          >frick u bro I measure everything
          >I'm so smart calories in calories out
          Lol everybody knows you should eat less and work out to get leaner
          Fricking morons repackage that as "CICO" and add "thermodynamics" and they think they're unassailable sages.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if I was ripped by just breathing, I probably wouldn't say "it's genetics", i would say
        Frick you, you stupid fricking bigger. I'm in shape through plenty of effort, I just don't constantly cry about it like a fricking woman. Stop it with the triple decker fudge "genetics"cake after every meal and maybe you'll find it easier to lose weight and get muscle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >flounder for years
      the point of CICO is track things well enough to maintain a consistent caloric deficit or surplus, to have a consistent affect on your body. Metabolism, half twins, roommates, and the biology of elves has nothing at all to do with this. It's our body, it's your tracking, it's your eating, it's your exercise. If your special snowflake metabolism causes a particular caloric deficit to not be enough to lose weight, then actually tracking your calories will tell you that, and you can then adjust your diet. It takes as little as one week to see how your body is responding. If you floundered for years it has nothing to do with CICO, it's simply because you weren't doing it. If you have some deficit of willpower then the answer is not to reject CICO, but to supplement it with something else - like a whip.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I posted my body dude. I’m not claiming to have a special metabolism at all, I’m saying as a person who was never naturally athletic and had below average genetics I literally have to do thrice the work as my half bro who doesn’t care for fitness
        I’m not making excuses for fats. I’m saying there’s way more at hand to a body than “muh cico” why can’t we just accept that so we can do better going forward? I’ve been lean as posted, for me? It took gruelling diet and workouts to maintain that. , whilst my bro was even leaner than myself and , as said, didn’t even really eat healthy or workout hard
        Does cico work for some people? Sure
        Does it explain how some people maintain leanness with little to no effort ? No

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Does cico work for some people? Sure
          No, CICO works for everybody. CICO also doesn't explain why one person has a higher BMR or builds muscle easier or distributes more fat to his belly vs. elsewhere. CICO also doesn't tell you the time of day, or tell you whether it'll rain tomorrow. What you should do is accept it so that you can talk about that other stuff if you want without encouraging people to remind you about basic stuff like this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i posted my old body, have you ever been sub 12? bf unless you post proof i don't care to listen to you tbh, so far the only cicogay in here is an anorexic grown man so forgive me if I find your peoples advice kinda dissapointing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            BMR is a joke i'm 6'2 and my bmr is only 1500 so why are all those goblins so fat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >takes as little as one week to notice
        I am a skinnyfat like op but do not want to fall into making excuses that defy cico, i'm 168 at 6'.. will eating less in just 2 weeks make visible progress? this is kinda inspiring

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    imagine genetics matter god damn you sound fat

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yup. I feel your pain OP
    Lifting 2.5 years great diet never had visible abs in my life, MOGGED by my half bro who does chin-ups with shitty form in our nearby park and plays soccer on weekends. He’s had abs since like 7 and doesn’t know what macros or calories are.
    People just gaslight here bc it seems cool to them that it’s “so simple brahnjust cico! Cico!” Meanwhile they are probably also skinnyfat
    Genetics >> muh cico
    Granted, young dudes who are somewhat active benefit a lot from this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the internal combustion engine is bunk
      Some people need to look at the speedometer to know how fast they're going. I can go by engine sound. Driving principles are the same for both

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>We basically eat the same stuff every day
    Not pictured: OP's pre-workout snack, post-workout milkshake, second helping (because OP worked out especially hard), dessert...

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I only posted body to point out an ana can literally run 20mi a day. I starve and can run but wh can’t you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No one cares what you think senpai, you are a man with ana. Go back to tumblr

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sound fat ignored

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Keep starving yourself and reading thinspo kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            doesnt change how fat you are god damn dont eat my food what are you doing why are you eating my food no stop

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              most sane cico spokesperson

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >oh some people have slower or faster metabolisms" peop
    This is just fact. It could be as much as 500 calories a day difference between a fast and slow metabolism.
    But you can adjust by simply eating more or less.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Room mate
    >extroverted, party guy
    >spends most of his nights outside walking around the city, gets his 10k steps in
    >spends hours dancing in clubs, more anaerobic light cardio
    >occasionally has sex with women, gets more cardio in
    >takes stimulant drugs that are thermogenic and help him have endless energy to run around
    >eats decently, we assume

    Result : lean, cardio body

    OP
    >goes to the gym 3/4 times a week
    >exclusively lifts weights to the tune of 150calorie deficit per 30mins workout
    >does no cardio at all
    >goes back home to sit on his ass all day
    >is a shut in neet that doesn't walk the streets of his city, let alone dance or party outside

    Gee...I wonder what it could be? OP putting in 3hrs max a week of lifting weights, or his room mate who probably walks 40-50km a week on his party lifestyle and sheds his eaten calories like butter by simply being alive...

    If it's true that you guys eat the same amount of the same thing, then he fricking clears you in activity level by miles each week. Lifting is not enough if you want to be lean.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      tl;dr did you frick him or not

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >adding your own headcanon to prove OP wrong
      Very sad

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    unless you are actually counting calories with a scale your shitty anecdote means nothing

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i can burn like 8 lbs of fat in a run but yeah

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >around the same height and weight
    > basically eat the same stuff every day
    >around
    >basically
    >why are we different?
    moron.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anti-cico warriors ITT: OP and a guy who was once sub 12 bodyfat and admitted he had shit genetics / motivation and how hard it was to get that. lean

    Cicochuds: a grown man weighing 120lbs soaking wet in boots
    hmm..

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you realize most anorexics have a heart rate of around 35bpm right? when i was 13 bmi my heart was only doing 29. and i didn't get fat because i wasn't some fricking pig who eats food

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Does cico work for some people? Sure
      No, CICO works for everybody. CICO also doesn't explain why one person has a higher BMR or builds muscle easier or distributes more fat to his belly vs. elsewhere. CICO also doesn't tell you the time of day, or tell you whether it'll rain tomorrow. What you should do is accept it so that you can talk about that other stuff if you want without encouraging people to remind you about basic stuff like this.

      doesnt change how fat you are god damn dont eat my food what are you doing why are you eating my food no stop

      CICOtards

      Behold, the embodiment of CICO:

      https://i.imgur.com/C93OXgp.jpg

      I can run 40 miles but we don’t do the same. I’m anorexic and you look fat

      Vs. CICO hating mogger:

      https://i.imgur.com/hcaxOb6.jpg

      [...]
      >muh cico muh genetics!
      I have abs and probably mog you, but I have to work twice as hard to keep it. Also jfl at “gain lose 20bs a week”
      Kys gaslighters you won’t post body

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        post body i did you fat mother fricker

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mentally ill anorexic calling me fat
          Keep eating your 1/2 banana 2 egg whites meals and running miles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        uh oh someone's blood sugar is dipping

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          also calling someone who is mentally ill as a CICO person seems pretty pathetic for your purpose

          that is diabetic talk not ana

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            uh oh you better have another doughnut fat boy your sugar keeps dipping you're getting cranky

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i dont eat so i dont have insulin spikes like you ya fat frick lul

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                uh oh someone's memory is getting foggy
                maybe you should have done that cardio instead of eating more sugar fatty

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                fail on your part my point still stands, i can poke fun at you and you will take offense to it. I have already decided so yeah

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                though not blue board posting that's for b ya know

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                uh oh itty bitty baby doesn't understand how to count

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lazy response

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bitty baby you want your sugar?
                you're becoming so unresponsive

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nah thread got boring since it is just your bad banter and no one else gg wp ll

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bro we basically eat the same
    >except he is larger than me
    >and taller than me
    >so CICO must not exist

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    理解不明はずやろw
    おkれもだめなのか

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i mean can you really make fun of people who literally decide to starve themselves to death. it sounds pointless since you know kek

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CICO just works you're just a brainlet bigger who can’t into basic math and science if you can’t figure that out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      all i know is the anorexics i met inpatient were all doing CICO meanwhile those that didn't weren't skinny kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah cuz anorexics know exactly how to gain or lose weight and they want to lose weight.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i didn't want to be inpatient so if i could not be skinny while eating that amount i would, but you know physics

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I understand my ex gf was anorexic. 5’6 and 95lbs

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              yeah i'm in cali so they can legally just lock me up and sadly done it a few too many times.
              cest le vie

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Eat more wanka

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                no when you are inpatient they make you eat this shitty fatty prison style slop and verify you eat it al, and make sure you don't throw it upl

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you anorexic as a man? Isn’t that embarassing?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no i was raised around nothing but women. i mean i had the whole cheerleader squad doing what they wanted with me, but sure tell me was it bad kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            btw, yes, they did dress me with their clothes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              they did and did makeup but that started in middle school and i required payment as a degen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if you're not weighing your poo how do you know how much weight you'll lose? mass in mass out truthers unite

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        poop is like a few oz (100-200g) at most meanwhile you can piss out 500g so if you are focused on poop you have a bigger issue

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bro I eat the same thing every single day and weigh myself pre poop pre morning water and food post morning piss every day

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    well i mostly eat 600 calories a day and i end up inpatient every few months so i think CICO works.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A. What jobs do you work
    B. What is the height difference
    C. Did he do sports as a kid, and did you

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Having a good body composition has less to do with cico, but yeah you can forcefeed yourself to get fat or starve yourself to get skinny. Show me someone who's actually gotten a good body composition with cico, all I see are coping idiots who went from fat to skinny fat and somehow it's an accomplishment.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What planet are you on moron, literally every famous and successful bodybuilder on stage follows a restricted diet to get to where they are on show day.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Literally every famous and successful bodybuilder are all on copious amount of drugs. It clearly works too, somehow cicotards aren't able to make the connection though, that someone's hormones greatly effect their body composition, and that their hormones are genetic or environment related, and no amount of force feeding or starving will change that. Again, find me someone who goes from bad body composition to good body composition with cico. You'll just find people who went from fat to skinny fat, or skinny fat to anorexic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you are dumb even with roids you'll only burn about 200 calories extra. lifting does not burn energy as you homosexuals sit around waiting so often

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    80% of IST uses steroids or SARMS.
    And they come and talk about cico lmao

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>I don't do alcohol, drugs, he does
    >>I train, he doesn't
    if hes social, he does 'train'
    any time i go to a party, its an easy 3k minimum calories burnt.
    doing moderate cardio for 30 minutes gives me the same and sometimes greater daily calorie burn than strength training.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      15 mins gives you an hour of gym lifting assuming they hit hard and you were only going at a 120bpm pace kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >any time i go to a party, its an easy 3k minimum calories burnt.
      what the frick kinda parties you go

      >hey joe let's go to the club, but there's one catch, we're gonna run on the club treadmill for 2 hours to burn 3000 calories!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i think he was implying sex as cardio but i cannot speak for him

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i think he was implying sex as cardio but i cannot speak for him

        >what the frick kinda parties you go
        any multi-hour house party where people walk around while drinking copious amounts of alcohol
        >clubs
        clubs less so, unless youre dropping moves on the dance floor

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >while drinking copious amounts of alcohol
          some alcohol has a shit ton of calories and carbs
          you'd need to walk for 8 hours to burn that much

          you are a fricking moron. same people that go to these parties are skinnyfat zoomers. it's all genetics

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you can burn off alcohol (2x pint of vodka) in about 6 hours how fat are you

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          i dunno my sisters taught me if you're going to a club is a for a reason. maybe they were prostitutes but who else goes to clubs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but there's one catch, we're gonna run on the club treadmill for 2 hours
        That's a bit mean but I guess you could call her that.

  42. 1 month ago
    OP

    Ok moronic homosexuals
    I’m 6’. 76KG here
    This is the result of eating in a deficit 1650 cals a day for four months
    IT DID NOTHING
    >moobs
    >wide ass hips
    >fat arse and thighs

    Oh wow cico. 1650 cals at 183cm & I’m still fat. Thanks so much!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Any cicotard that looks at this and seriously think that it's a result of eating too much food and that the solution is to starve yourself needs a fricking iq test.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fixing that mode is probably one of the hardest things in life
          If you are fat, you lose wieght and you become skinny
          If you are skinny you eat food and become fat

          If you are skinnyfat you can't win. You will always be both, if you lose weight you'll be skinnier with lots of fat everywhere. If you gain weight, it'll go 100% to your belly

          But i guess genetics dont matter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you're skinnyfat you can lose weight with CI<CO, and you can gain with wit CI>CO. Nothing changes. Nothing's special about skinnyfat. Stop pointlessly resisting the truth about CICO so you can pursue whatever other interests you have, like ignoring your weight while changing your body composition with exercise.
            CICO's not going to help you learn Kazakh, either. There's a lot it doesn't do.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              sound fat

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Look at ops photo a bit above. He is genetically fricked, he’d be cutting abs bulking spinning wheels for years even trying to remotely look good

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What’s it the result of then moron? He has visible moobs and beer belly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't fricking know but it sure as hell isn't cico. He's 67kg which is about 167 pounds, at 6 feet, the average american man was in 1960 was 160 pounds approximately, at 5 foot 10. If you still do not understand how someone can be a similar weight, yet a wildly different body composition, you are a moron, plain and simple. And if you think the solution is to just eat more or less I don't know what will get through to you. Pic related 1960s beach.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              tl'dr sorry for you loss or sorry for you win

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >if you think the solution to [body composition] is to just eat more or less
              No, the solution to changing your weight is that. CICO is how you change your weight. That's it. That's all it does. The muscle you have is the muscle you've needed for how you've been living. If all you do is deny reality in front of a computer, not much is demanded of your muscles.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nice bait but no he should learn to stop being fat huhg

                Why does every cico advocate argue so obtuse like this? What does it take to get through your thick skulls that advising someone to eat less to lose weight when he's already at a healthy weight, but just skinnyfat, is moronic advice? No one argues that energy balance has to be true for one to maintain, gain, or lose weight, that is self-evident, but it isn't good advice just as telling a losing team in a basketball match that all they need to do win is score more. All it is really is just a justification to blame someone for not trying hard enough, and act like you're actually helping them or saying something genius as muh thermodynamics. Pic related are the average weights of americans in 1959, americans at his height are his weight, now find me one beach photo of americans where someone looks like him.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i mean if you are fat sure cico doesn't work. but if you aren't it works you know.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              are you saying his genetics give him that body desposition and not being a lazy couch potato skinnyfat neet?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cico gays answer me this:
        Would CICo rewlly fix this eternally skinnyfat mode?
        Look at this specimen. He’s gonna be stuck in the SF limbo forever unless he rouds but even roids wont make your hips narrower
        Look me in the eyes and tell me: you woke up in ops tomorrow.. how do you fricking fix this without roids? Tell me

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Would CICo rewlly fix this eternally skinnyfat mode?
          What is there to fix? He's a healthy weight. If he wants to put on muscle he needs to change his diet (what he eats, not how much). If he wants to lose fat he needs to change his diet (what he eats, not how much).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cico gays answer me this and ill paypal you $10 bucks
        how the frick would CICO help this man?
        >Just cut bro!
        He is 76 kg which is not even overweight bmi for a 6foot man. won't do shit
        So what does he do? put money where mouth is, ignoring that anorexic though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          CICO is about gaining or losing weight. He doesn't care about weight, so he shouldn't focus on calories.
          What he should do is touch grass, lift, bike, run, anything, because that's how you get muscles that make it look like you do those things.
          t. lost weight, lost belly, lost arms, while gaining legs, because all I did last year was freeskate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >eating in a deficit
      how much of a deficit?
      what did you start at?
      how did you track calories expended?

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    meanwhile not some homosexual troony because i'm just a guy willing to get his dick sucked for letting a girl play barbie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      jelly much? to this date I have an open relationship with a 10/10 stacy yoga instructor with hard rock abs, she used to be one of them cheerleaders

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no why would i lie? as if my life is good but i can recall the good memories

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        as for the rock hard ab girls yes my sister's friends but i guess you never had access

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IST wouldn't understand when you play football in highschool i think but yeah still the same girls wanted to do that same shit LULE

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For CICOtards

    https://www.livescience.com/health/exercise/why-is-it-harder-for-some-people-to-build-muscle-than-others
    >Have you ever wondered why some people struggle to see results, even if they bulk on protein and pump iron to their limits? Muscle growth is controlled by genetic factors, as well.
    >Everyone has a variable mixture of two muscle fiber types that are specialized for different exercises. Fast-twitch fibers are geared toward powerful, explosive movements, whereas slow-twitch fibers support sustained, endurance exercises and joint stabilization. Fast-twitch fibers grow more readily than slow-twitch ones, so people who struggle to put on muscle mass may have a smaller proportion of these.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cico gays answer me this:
      Would CICo rewlly fix this eternally skinnyfat mode?
      Look at this specimen. He’s gonna be stuck in the SF limbo forever unless he rouds but even roids wont make your hips narrower
      Look me in the eyes and tell me: you woke up in ops tomorrow.. how do you fricking fix this without roids? Tell me

      CICO is the guiding principle in weight control. That's it.
      What that weight looks like is determined by training or not training.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cico works i mean literally ever anorexic uses it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your solution to the skinnyfat guy who's at a "healthy" weight for his height is to become anorexic..

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nice bait but no he should learn to stop being fat huhg

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this. They don't understand if that guy eats less his arms will become even skinnier, just for a negligible decrease in belly fat.

            I unironically think the solution is just becoming a mega fat frick and stop caring at that point

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is simple. just eat less than 1300 calories and you will get skinny. it is a fact you fat fricks

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i eat 600 calories and get locked up every 6 months so it seems to work

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i laughed at the guys who laughed at me when i can run 40 miles and they said it was bad

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ok look you are all fat and this could be a copyposta at this point. but you are fat and you know you are fat. and you are wasting my time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      again, no one cares what you think, you are anorexic yet still have 0 abs and a pooch. you are nothing bro

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        invalided

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          post abs.. oh wait

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        btw i can literally walk 2 miles with that and do 80 but you are a lame homosexual

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          2 whole miles! holy frick you must be on gear you're an animal!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            more than you handstanding kek

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i'm a grown ass man.. when tf would i ever need to handstand you ana homosexual?
              eat something with sugar, the low calories are affecting your brain

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wasting my time you do not

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why is this one guy so hard posting lol so boring to me anyways

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >imagine having a bmi of 12 but no abs
    its OVAH

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the only spokesperson cico has is an anorexic man child who still looks doughy and soft at 120
    absolutely brutal, cicogays btfo once again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The jokes literally write themselves, you have
      >an anorexic man who still doesn't have abs
      >people advising a skinny fat guy who's at a completely "healthy" weight to just eat less bro!
      >that op's roomate is lean because he parties really hard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        will never understand why they can't just admit its more than cico at play
        I mean op didn't even fricking mention much about his roommate, yet cicosoldiers have been sure to include their headcanon of his roommate such as:
        >He's just really tall and can eat anything!
        >he must be working out like an IFBB pro when op isn't looking
        >he parties so hard he burns off all the calories

        kek. what a complete joke

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think energy balance is regulated by the body much like things such as ph in the blood or blood sugar. Your body readily changes it's metabolic rate due to environmental factors to maintain homeostasis (studies like the minnosata starvation experiment prove this) and the only reason cico works is because of gross overeating, or undereating. So you have people grossly overeating or undereating going from fat, to skinnyfat, to anorexic, or vice versa, thinking it's an accomplishment. It really just ends up being a cope spiral where anything that doesn't work is simply not cicoing hard enough, and if it does work it was simply cico.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >250kcal deficit for a month
            >loss 2lbs
            GROSS UNDEREATING
            bro that's a can of chips. That's 15min on a rowing machine.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              kek you're not tracking 250 calorie deficit with any accuracy at all, and you can gain or lose 2 pounds day to day. It's also within the amount the body can regulate to maintain energy balance, in other words eating 250 more or less calories is not going to do jack shit to your weight. You'd have to have a way greater surplus or deficit to gaurantee that even with the inaccuracies of tracking, that you're within your target range even with a margin of error, and that it's enough that it is outside of the body's capabilities to still maintain an energy balance. The cicoadvocate literally advises you to destroy your metabolism in other words, you can do all that orthorexic tracking or you can figure out how to change your environment and diet composition so you can eat to satiation while being a good body composition, like literally every other fricking human has ever did for thousands of years to be lean.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                250 is half a pound at best how fat are you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Can cicotards not read either? I'm responding to the claim that
                >250kcal deficit for a month
                >loss 2lbs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah well fat people dont actually diet no surprise there. 250kcal/wk except they eat one snack which is 170-250 calories

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The effects from drugs aren't free. They cost you energy from food like anything else. This little guy parties harder than you lift.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    who needs drugs you sound pathetic

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >We basically eat the same stuff every day
    I think "basically" is doing a lot of work here

    If he does a lot of drugs good chance he burns calories just twitching around.
    When I used to do MDMA I'd lose my appetite and not stop moving for hours.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they eat 500% and say it is the same

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >cut to anorexic bmi
    >still have gyno and no abs
    CICo bros..

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you laugh but i can run much further than you wish you could so why would i care

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you can't even deadlift the bar, humble yourself son

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          and that matters how, i could just grab a device that ends yours life.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i mean didn't you all like guns an stuff. i mean they solve your problems right

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've been saying this since I came to the realization. Everyone is the results of what they choose to do like 90% of the time. Let me say it again: What you do with your time determines your future; but the remaining 10%, and this is what FRICKS you, is Genetics. Genetics can frick you hard. It is what it is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the rope response how unique

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What you do with your time determines your future
      and just how old were you when you figured out this fact?
      That actions have consequences.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cico is legit because they force us to eat inpatient but sure ignore that you fat fricks

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fat people act like they know how to lose mass when only skinny people know how to do it

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    but funny it is easy, just don't eat.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i feel that pain but i can get to 13 bmi because frick eating you homosexuals

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      height? current weight?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You bi? I wanna frick you into submission lil twinky

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sadly not bi as i find you homosexuals ugly

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Post tummy x

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            already did but i'm a runner so i actually need fat as you know we can burn 10lbs of a fat in a day

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              How about you run into my bed little gay

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wasn’t asking. Post tummy so I can frick you

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this isn't anime you pathetic homosexual go frick on discord

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the anorexic schizo is now talking to himself
    lol

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why is IST homosexual so pathetic i mean i can literally find a girl but why are you all so pathetic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post your discord enough flirting
      im gonna ruin ur tight twink hole

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    was that true real but still i have a wife meanwhile you cannot even find a beard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >don't even have the courage to @ me
      weak

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        zz the truth remains

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your rejection hurts more than any girl. you ruined my day.

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i'm getting very bored and you are getting really lazy

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i'd talk in multiple languages but i figure you dont understand them but have fun

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That one anorexic troony literally responding to yous within seconds. Sad

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not a troony but you can keep imagining i guess you homosexual

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    btw ISTx can do notifications but i guess you're acting ignorant

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No they can’t moron you’re thinking of reddit
      Zero iq Midwit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        how dumb are you really? this has to be bait right even the 4cx userscript has notifications you dumbass

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So no cicogays can dispute OPs claim besides the starving troony?
    Thanks I guess

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have sex Incel

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you realized mostly married men wrote ISTx right kek

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Grrr anorexo troon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dont know the lore what is that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ah boring result of you having nothing left to say ok.

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    very boring now so i guess this thread will go thread but i hope you won't hurt yourself with some random dildo i figure you're going to buy online

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no i'm just a person from IST but that guy kinda well you can read the context

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Uh ok, makes sense
    I don’t have energy to argue more lol homie I wish you well on your quest

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ditto is is a waste of time anyways not like our opinions changed about me being being choosing to starve etc

      hope you sleep well brother

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >metabolic speed is not covered by the CO
    moron. Move more and eat less, tubby.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Uh ok, makes sense
    I don’t have energy to argue more lol homie I wish you well on your quest

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He probably has better genes than you, I probably do as well, lol.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my BMR is 1550 at 6'2 so people are acting like their body is buring as hot as the sun an they have to eat foo all the time those fat fricks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's way too low, how much do you weigh?

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is real. You both eat about the same amount of calories, and both maintain about the same weight. If you want to build muscle, macros and training are just as, if not more important that just straight calories.

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The difference is is that he burns 500 extra calories a day having sex, while you "lift" and burn maybe 100. You need to either train harder or start having sex, OP.

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Still, I'm all flabby skinnyfat and he's just skinny with visible abs. What gives?
    he has lower bodyfat then you you fricking moronic fricking dingus because people have different bodyfat %

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people everywhere refuse to accept there's an element of genetics into play?
    Mechanistic world view. Welcome to the post-modern era.

    Btw, if you try to argue against their axiomatic dogma, they will get really, really angry. See ITT.

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He has lower bf%, if you are the same weight, CICO doesnt have to do with anything, lift more

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The idiots who whine about CICO lack the braincells to even figure out what ''CICO'' stands for, they focus on the CI and not the CO.
    If two people eat 2000kcal a day, it doesn't mean both of them burn 2000kcal a day. You have different weights, body composition, muscle mass, bone density etc. Someone who is skinnier and more muscular is going to burn more calories and because they have a healthier body they have higher testosterone which allows them to maintain more muscle and lose more fat.
    Even if we assume that it's true that one fat frick eats the same calories as a healthy skinny person (not true 99.99999999% of the cases) you are not going to get the same results because his test levels are triple yours. Your test levels are of that of a fat woman. You need to get your weight and body in check and fix it before you can compare it to someone who looks much better than you.

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    guess you're just genetically cursed to be fat forever bro gg
    suicide is your only option

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You should give up.

      These. If you can't figure out CICO, you should probably have a nice day.

  90. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You should give up.

  91. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you eat more than he does, fatties ALWAYS underestimate how much food they eat, fatass.

  92. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cico doesn’t say anything at all about genetics.
    You clearly have a much worse metabolism than him.

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