>yeah bro you can totes eat 6 donuts for dinner if you just workout enough
>its just calories in calories out bro haha
you're fricking moronic if you believe in this.
There is much more to our bodies health than that. If you dont get the actual nutrients you need from healthy food you're gonna look like shit, smell like shit, hurt like shit, perform like shit, recover and build muscle like shit.
If you took two twins that were at the same size, made one follow an unhealthy diet (but make sure he burns the same among of calories through his workout) and the other follow a healthy diet, you'd see tremendous differences in how they look & perform & develop over the years.
Bodybuilders who workout ~4+ hours a day but dont make ANY effort to eat healthy are amongst the biggest LARPers of this world. Like they dont know how much greater they could be if they'd just quit filling their mouths with shit. You CANNOT pretend you're some sort of tenacious guy who is willing to work & sacrifice in order to become the strongest like your favorite anime character, while at the same time being unwilling to quit eating fricking mcdonalds.
Its very evident that just being a bodybuilder with a big body does not make you a fricking health expert nor even a healthy person inherently. Why do all these bodybuilder influencers not realize this? Im so fricking tired of seeing these motherfricker youtube shorts or tiktoks about how its perfectly fine to eat mcdonalds & donuts from these morons. Make it stop IST.
Thank you.
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tldr
you only need to read the title
you are biting the hand who is trying to help you
You outed yourself as dyel by posting the photo on the left as a goal physique.
OP drinks horse cum for protein.
op is mad at sam sulek for making gains with McDonald's
KetoBlack person thread. OP is schizophrenic and wants CICO to be disproven because his tiktok grifter daddy wants him to buy expensive pills.
BTFO
Didn't read post body
Tldr
>OP is a natty homosexual
>diets like an autistic vegan
>complains about young roid chad worth millions eating burgers and donuts
>gets absolutely mogged by burger roid chad
The end.
if i overeat i just use laxatives or that tea that makes you shit
what if both:
>cico
>but filling your macro and micronutrients
the large amounts of carbohydrates are still going to negatively affect your body
If it fits your macros, it can't be too large amount. That's the whole point
weak bait. sam never says you'll be healthy eating six donuts a day. but you DO need to consume as many calories as he does to grow as big as he does, and for him that probably means 300-400g of protein and then whatever the frick else
he says its the same as eating normal food, but its not. Its much healthier to get your required calories from healthy food than unhealthy food filled with carbs & nothing else.
it's the same if he hits his macros and his goal is to build muscle. source me sam explicitly stating that eating donuts is healthy
no thats wrong
large amounts of carbohydrates literally have a bad effect on your body
>if he hits his macros
why skip the first half of my post bro. if he eats literally only carbs obviously that could be detrimental. but not even the most ketobrained dipshit would argue just eating carbs prevents gains, which is literally ALL he cares about clearly. the fricker blasts gear like a madman. any "harm" from eating carbs is nothing compared to that
i didn't skip it
im saying even if you hit your macros the excess carbohydrates alone are inherently bad for you
so you're arguing that he's not wrong, just not optimal?
That's the story of these morons: forever moving the goal posts.
yeah essentially. But also i think its become an excuse many people give themselves to allow themselves to eat more unhealthy shit than they should and thats sad to see for someone who spends 4+ hours in the gym every day. Like they put so much effort into it and then they fool themselves with this CICO bullshit to have a suboptimal diet.
Kind of a waste of effort.
We don't know the optimal way to work out. We never have. This is why we can have 5,000,000 million fitness youtubers all saying different things and all of them roughly working. The only thing that we know that works is consistency. All the other minutia is just that, minutia.
>eat 0.8g of protein per lb of bodyweight
>make up the remaining calories with fats and carbs
>somehow this is bad and considered excess according to anon
????
>which is literally ALL he cares about clearly
he would develop FASTER and look better if he stopped eating excess carbohydrates tho
>large amounts of carbohydrates literally have a bad effect on your body
In what way
>unhealthy food
One of the most meaningless terms in use irl and on this board. Tell me right now what you mean by it or I’m turning this thread into an anime thread.
Why do you CICO denying idiots base your entire diet off a strawman
>hahah he does CICO? He probably only eats donuts for breakfast cause he doesn’t know better
You know two things can be true at once, right? A person can still eat healthy, balanced diet to get nutrient sufficiency AND watch the amount of calories they eat, right? You’re seriously trying to say that eating way over maintenance is the only way you can get all your nutrients in a day?
Right. Is there some kind of "CICO Diet" book that they are referencing that I'm not aware of? As far as I know CICO is just a principle of weight loss.
>As far as I know CICO is just a principle of weight loss
Correct. It’s about prioritizing calorie intake, however that also mean doing a little math to ensure you’re getting your protien and other macros.
In terms of micronutrients, not that those aren’t important but they really only make up 5-10% of the equation when it comes to weight loss. If you’re trying to count calories, it’s in your best interest to eat healthy foods anyway since you can fill yourself up more, so you’ll likely get a lot of those anyway through diet. The rest you can get through supplements
>6 donuts
Stopped reading there, that's not what cico means moron.
Ok, so if CICO doesn’t work, why does it work?
well you can still grow muscle while eating like shit
you'll just be much better off if you dont is all im saying
would you rather have a lean stomach or a fat gut belly?
the former is superior
>Bodybuilders who workout ~4+ hours a day
I call 'em roidtrannies
Nobody in the right mind actually says eating donuts is healthy as long as you’re in a deficit. If you’re trying to stay in a deficit, if anything you’re more inclined to want to eat healthy food since it’s lower calories and you can eat more.
CICO deniers are the ones who can’t stop indulging themselves. They say it doesn’t work because they can’t stop themselves from eating long enough to see any real results.
Every time these homosexuals start screeching about CICO they have some horseshit hypothetical dreamland scenario where all we are eating is donuts and cake. It's so blatantly disingenuous it makes my head spin.
Once you get to the point where you need 4500 or more calories to grow you can't just eat clean all the time.
its not about CICO, at that size they need a comical amount of calories to sustain and grow, and they dont really gain much fat due to all the roids
all these huge bodybuilders just shove calories into their face all day, making huge blended sludges of icecream whey cereals and cookies, making tunafish shakes. gallon of B&J a day, whatever.
>There is much more to our bodies health than that.
Yeah, no kidding. CICO is about weight loss. Not fat loss, not health. Eat less than you burn and you will lose weight. Doesn't make not eating healthy a good idea, but that was never the argument you moron.
and yet i've seen literally millions of tiktoks from body builders about how its perfectly fine to eat mcdonalds & donuts while building muscle.
>literally millions of tiktoks from body builders
You should stop spending every waking moment on tik tok. It's bad for you. And it is obviously making you moronic.
building muscle =/= being healthy. that seems to be the autistic delusion you're caught on.
it's fine
Shitty thread. You should be ashamed.
nothing that this guy does is healthy. There's nothing about drug abusers destroying their bodies that is healthy
do you enjoy being stupid
Anon nobody disagrees, including Sulek, you scream at a wall. If you think otherwise you did not pay attention
>If you dont get the actual nutrients you need from healthy food you're gonna look like shit
So make sure you get your nutrients. The rest is calories in, calories out. You can feasibly hit your macros on 800 calories' worth of healthy food if you're disciplined. That leaves you with a 1200+ calorie slush fund you can fill with whatever.
sir, are you an indian
>validates CICO forever
https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html#:~:text=Powdered%20donuts.,sugary%20cereals%20and%20Oreos%2C%20too.
>cnn.com
This guy was paid by Coca-Cola to claim he lost weight eating sugar.
acutely, the absolute best thing you can do for yourself is to lose weight and get to a healthy weight. That will acutely improve your metabolic and lipid panels, but the diet will likely catch up to you over time, although this may take years.
>I can't gain weight
then eat more
>I can't lose weight
then eat less
simple as
midwit OP
>Bodybuilders who workout ~4+ hours a day but dont make ANY effort to eat healthy are amongst the biggest LARPers of this world.
The vast majority of them eat clean
Only amateur bodybuilders eat like Sam
he's going to hate food when he actually has to eat the same amount he's doing right now but clean
True
Jay Cutler said he lost the ability to enjoy food after bulking for decades
What was Jay's diet? I know the 70s guys were all about steak, eggs, and stuff like lentils.
Pretty much, he didn't try KFC until he was 50.
you don't even understand cico. makes sense.
enjoy keto.
So what does eating healthy even mean?
This is so obviously true that it's a boring discussion. Nobody serious thanks fat, protein and carbs are interchangable. I want to see you argue not against CICO people but rather people who just think about macros & pop a multi on the daily.
>OP thinks that Sulek only eats the shit he puts on video
>OP doesn't understand that being on gear makes you a lot more capable of eating garbage compared to being natty
>OP still thinks a meme diet allows you to "eat all you want and lose fat" even though it's moronic to think so
>OP drinks a gallon of semen every day because he denies simple laws of weight loss, because he doesn't track his calories or macros and eats/drinks a ton of shit he isn't logging and lies to himself that he's "trying his best" when he lives like a 400 lb. chick who starts her day off with a 1600 cal. Starbucks latte and says "If you drink it, it doesn't count as calories, does it?"
OP, you are one gay Black person who needs to beat himself over the head with a 25 lb. plate until you finally stop lying to yourself, stop believing in meme diets, and start being an actual man instead of a moronic c**t.
he never said it was healthy he said for gaining muscle and it really is that simple