This. The collagen gets destroyed in digestion. Collagen is the like fountain of youth, your body lose its production of it as you age and its why you get wrinkles, drier hair and not heal your skin as fast as when you where a kid. And you can't boost your bodies production of it by eating it. And it does go trough your digestion and in to your skin and hair in the state that you ate it in, your body breaks it down and creates proteins of it but your natural collagen production stays the same. And to repeat, you lose that as you age.
>And it does NOT go trough your digestion and in to your skin and hair
Your body does not simply move it from the product and in to your cells, it goes trough digestion where it gets broken down.
are you moronic?
Dude digestion efficiency and production goes down as you age.
There is a reason glutathione and collagen drastically stop being produced around 27 years of age on average.
It's already been stated in thread that Vitamin C is the best thing for joints because preventing damage == more efficient than trying to keep collagen production up.
Frick you fricking morons will do everything in your power to not do a little cardio and eat some fricking fruit you fat shits.
Research limiter uptake.
Regular vitamin C (in small amounts) throughout the day is better for skin because it increases the half life of collagen compounds to make collagen + prevents the damage to the skin/joints from free radicals.
This prevention is greater than the amount of collagen you create daily == healthy body.
If you try to min-max collagen production over prevention of damage, you're going to frick your body up. Because of limiter uptake. >tldr >only so much nutrients you can uptake at any given moment to make collagen >is more efficient to worry about prevention of damage first and vitamin c which prevents oxidation of collagen promoting compounds already in the body.
Collagen/gelatin is redpilled. Tryptophan is gay and serotonergic so it's good to avoid it with collagen. The glycine content is great too. >dude all protein is the same lmao who cares about amino acid profile
Ignore these morons [...]
No idea what [...] is talking about because "limiter uptake" literally returns 1 result on google. Since he has a poor grasp on English and greentexting I think you can ignore him.
ignorance of a subject does not justify you being mad at being wrong.
If you don't understand limitations of uptake pathways that is YOUR fault.
Small dosage vitamin c throughout. day.
Literally just buy a bag of halos dude, it ain't that serious.
Eat three halos a day, spread out throughout the day.
Collagen/gelatin is redpilled. Tryptophan is gay and serotonergic so it's good to avoid it with collagen. The glycine content is great too. >dude all protein is the same lmao who cares about amino acid profile
Ignore these morons
No it's snake oil
No idea what
Research limiter uptake.
Regular vitamin C (in small amounts) throughout the day is better for skin because it increases the half life of collagen compounds to make collagen + prevents the damage to the skin/joints from free radicals.
This prevention is greater than the amount of collagen you create daily == healthy body.
If you try to min-max collagen production over prevention of damage, you're going to frick your body up. Because of limiter uptake. >tldr >only so much nutrients you can uptake at any given moment to make collagen >is more efficient to worry about prevention of damage first and vitamin c which prevents oxidation of collagen promoting compounds already in the body.
is talking about because "limiter uptake" literally returns 1 result on google. Since he has a poor grasp on English and greentexting I think you can ignore him.
>it's just peptides
good job moron, not compare the amino acid profile of collagen and whey and you'll see that you get as much glycine from 10g of collagen that you get from 100g of whey.
Besides two and tri-peptides in blood are elevated after the consumption of collagen so it's not just about the simple simple amino acids
Gonna buy a tub of collagen and other skin supps when I get my next paycheck.
Probably wont do much for my loose skin but any small thing helps. Well, got at least a year before I can even think about skin removal surgery so I have some time to experiment with supplemetns.
1. "Its protein that will get broken down into amino acids, just eat more protein and you will get the same effect,"
This comment is partially accurate. Collagen is indeed a protein, and like other proteins, it is broken down into amino acids during digestion. However, not all proteins have the same effect on the body as collagen. Collagen is specifically rich in certain amino acids, such as glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline, which are important for skin, hair, and joint health. While increasing overall protein intake is beneficial for overall health, specific benefits attributed to collagen may not be replicated solely by consuming other protein sources.
2. "The collagen gets destroyed in digestion. Collagen is the like fountain of youth, your body lose its production of it as you age and its why you get wrinkles, drier hair and not heal your skin as fast as when you where a kid. And you can't boost your bodies production of it by eating it. And it does go trough your digestion and in to your skin and hair in the state that you ate it in, your body breaks it down and creates proteins of it but your natural collagen production stays the same. And to repeat, you lose that as you age."
This comment contains some inaccuracies and some truths. While it's true that collagen is broken down during digestion, some evidence suggests that collagen peptides from supplements can be absorbed intact and may contribute to collagen synthesis in the body. However, the statement that consuming collagen cannot boost your body's production of it is not entirely accurate. While consuming collagen directly may not directly increase collagen production, it can provide the building blocks necessary for collagen synthesis. Additionally, natural collagen production does decrease with age, contributing to changes in skin elasticity and joint health.
Not only does collagen stop being produced as you age, but glutathione also stops being produced as efficiently.
Glutathione being the most powerful antioxidant the body can use, as its production goes down collagen oxidation greatly increases in the body.
The only way to offset this is once again to increase vitamin C intake and keep it as stable as you can throughout the day.
The prevention of oxidation of amino acids increases circulation of said amino acids == less damage to joints and more collagen resources within the body.
Oh and glycine directly competes for both glutathione and collagen production, so if you want to increase any amino acid. It would just be glycine.
>While consuming collagen directly may not directly increase collagen production, it can provide the building blocks necessary for collagen synthesis
Ty ChatGPT. The above is what i said to. But thanks for clarifying.
>some evidence suggests that collagen peptides from supplements can be absorbed intact and may contribute to collagen synthesis in the body.
Here is the key question in the whole discussion. Where is this evidence? Can anyone post it? Is the source from the supplement companies them self? I am not optimistic about these things because when things are to good to be true they usually aren't. So in my opinion, this is THE question that is worth exploring in this discussion.
Thank you for posting the source. That was really cool of you to do. I and maybe the other people in this thread appreciate that you did that. Now lets take this thread and discussion to the next level by looking at the study to see if its legit or not, so that we are better informed before we decide to start spending our money on this supplement.
-Is the study legit?
-Are there any ((financial interests)) at play?
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Can you find me good studies in any subject without conflict of interest that are actually well done? Actual studies cost money and when you increase subjects/time of the study the costs increase a frick ton.
3 months ago
Anonymous
cont.
For example, is this a bad study?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37794246/
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Can you find me good studies in any subject without conflict of interest that are actually well done?
I do not know, i would assume that it would not be a difficult thing to do.
cont.
For example, is this a bad study?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37794246/
>For example, is this a bad study? >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37794246/
I do not know, but as you can see there is a conflict of interest and these companies have a financial interest in getting certain results, they use them for marketing purposes and making claims about products, and in countries with less regulations they are a lot loser with the truth. But you probably know this.
That doesn't make sense since it's not like collagen is patented or anything. If it were a patented drug, and the study was being conducted by employees of the company that holds the patent, that would be something.
My oral skincare supplement stack: >collagen >gelatin >hyaluronic acid >vitamin c >spermidine >lycopene >beta carotene and vitamin a >zeaxthanin and lutein >lycine >elastin >fish oil >beta sitosterol >reservatrol
And soon grape fruit oil/extract for oral and topical use
Any recommendations or criticisms?
>spending hundreds on this garbage when you can just use soap and not eat trash
I also have a lot of topical skincare products and avoid all junkfood, no sugar at all, no fried food at all, no bread no onions mostly organic veggies
>eating cum
>eating something called "spermidine"
bahahahhaah gay asf
Spermidine is abundant in asian diets because onions diets and contributes to anti aging
It sounds more like a pro collagen thing to me because it proves that the cells in your skin do benefit from it. Stop being a swine an clean your pours with retinoids
No it's snake oil
This. The collagen gets destroyed in digestion. Collagen is the like fountain of youth, your body lose its production of it as you age and its why you get wrinkles, drier hair and not heal your skin as fast as when you where a kid. And you can't boost your bodies production of it by eating it. And it does go trough your digestion and in to your skin and hair in the state that you ate it in, your body breaks it down and creates proteins of it but your natural collagen production stays the same. And to repeat, you lose that as you age.
>And it does NOT go trough your digestion and in to your skin and hair
Your body does not simply move it from the product and in to your cells, it goes trough digestion where it gets broken down.
are you moronic?
Dude digestion efficiency and production goes down as you age.
There is a reason glutathione and collagen drastically stop being produced around 27 years of age on average.
It's already been stated in thread that Vitamin C is the best thing for joints because preventing damage == more efficient than trying to keep collagen production up.
Frick you fricking morons will do everything in your power to not do a little cardio and eat some fricking fruit you fat shits.
Its ok bro i got you.
Research limiter uptake.
Regular vitamin C (in small amounts) throughout the day is better for skin because it increases the half life of collagen compounds to make collagen + prevents the damage to the skin/joints from free radicals.
This prevention is greater than the amount of collagen you create daily == healthy body.
If you try to min-max collagen production over prevention of damage, you're going to frick your body up. Because of limiter uptake.
>tldr
>only so much nutrients you can uptake at any given moment to make collagen
>is more efficient to worry about prevention of damage first and vitamin c which prevents oxidation of collagen promoting compounds already in the body.
not a single thing you said is true. also imagine writing all that just to sound like a fricking idiot.
ignorance of a subject does not justify you being mad at being wrong.
If you don't understand limitations of uptake pathways that is YOUR fault.
I drink this collagen shit in a 1l bottle at work.
So I’ll put some vitamin c in there, huh?
Small dosage vitamin c throughout. day.
Literally just buy a bag of halos dude, it ain't that serious.
Eat three halos a day, spread out throughout the day.
> can't say the word mandarin like a normal person
halos is the most common brand, the frick am i going to say mandarin for, it's more letters for less meaning.
Nta but cuties are for sure more common and better than gaylos.
>cutieenjoyerchad
Don't give your money to Nestlé
Its protein that will get broken down into aminoacids, just eat more protein and you will get the same effect, moron
Collagen/gelatin is redpilled. Tryptophan is gay and serotonergic so it's good to avoid it with collagen. The glycine content is great too.
>dude all protein is the same lmao who cares about amino acid profile
Ignore these morons
No idea what
is talking about because "limiter uptake" literally returns 1 result on google. Since he has a poor grasp on English and greentexting I think you can ignore him.
why is collagen becoming more popular? I have been taking it for years but all of a sudden I am seeing ads for it and shelfs of it at costco?
>why is collagen becoming more popular?
women will waste money on anything
this right here is all you need to know about it. the very fact that it's heavily advertised towards women proves that it's fake nonsense
>it's just peptides
good job moron, not compare the amino acid profile of collagen and whey and you'll see that you get as much glycine from 10g of collagen that you get from 100g of whey.
Besides two and tri-peptides in blood are elevated after the consumption of collagen so it's not just about the simple simple amino acids
Holy shit that's a cute cow! I'm buying levels protein next
Collagen mogs whey in glycine ratio
All I know is that it helped with my joint issues.
Gonna buy a tub of collagen and other skin supps when I get my next paycheck.
Probably wont do much for my loose skin but any small thing helps. Well, got at least a year before I can even think about skin removal surgery so I have some time to experiment with supplemetns.
Let's dissect these comments for accuracy:
1. "Its protein that will get broken down into amino acids, just eat more protein and you will get the same effect,"
This comment is partially accurate. Collagen is indeed a protein, and like other proteins, it is broken down into amino acids during digestion. However, not all proteins have the same effect on the body as collagen. Collagen is specifically rich in certain amino acids, such as glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline, which are important for skin, hair, and joint health. While increasing overall protein intake is beneficial for overall health, specific benefits attributed to collagen may not be replicated solely by consuming other protein sources.
2. "The collagen gets destroyed in digestion. Collagen is the like fountain of youth, your body lose its production of it as you age and its why you get wrinkles, drier hair and not heal your skin as fast as when you where a kid. And you can't boost your bodies production of it by eating it. And it does go trough your digestion and in to your skin and hair in the state that you ate it in, your body breaks it down and creates proteins of it but your natural collagen production stays the same. And to repeat, you lose that as you age."
This comment contains some inaccuracies and some truths. While it's true that collagen is broken down during digestion, some evidence suggests that collagen peptides from supplements can be absorbed intact and may contribute to collagen synthesis in the body. However, the statement that consuming collagen cannot boost your body's production of it is not entirely accurate. While consuming collagen directly may not directly increase collagen production, it can provide the building blocks necessary for collagen synthesis. Additionally, natural collagen production does decrease with age, contributing to changes in skin elasticity and joint health.
Not only does collagen stop being produced as you age, but glutathione also stops being produced as efficiently.
Glutathione being the most powerful antioxidant the body can use, as its production goes down collagen oxidation greatly increases in the body.
The only way to offset this is once again to increase vitamin C intake and keep it as stable as you can throughout the day.
The prevention of oxidation of amino acids increases circulation of said amino acids == less damage to joints and more collagen resources within the body.
Oh and glycine directly competes for both glutathione and collagen production, so if you want to increase any amino acid. It would just be glycine.
>While consuming collagen directly may not directly increase collagen production, it can provide the building blocks necessary for collagen synthesis
Ty ChatGPT. The above is what i said to. But thanks for clarifying.
>some evidence suggests that collagen peptides from supplements can be absorbed intact and may contribute to collagen synthesis in the body.
Here is the key question in the whole discussion. Where is this evidence? Can anyone post it? Is the source from the supplement companies them self? I am not optimistic about these things because when things are to good to be true they usually aren't. So in my opinion, this is THE question that is worth exploring in this discussion.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30681787/
This sounds very promising. But now find the founding and connection between supplement companies or cosmetic companies and the researchers
Franchesca D. Choi, Calvin T. Sung, Margit L.W. Juhasz, Natasha Atanaskova Mesinkovsk
J Drugs Dermatol Journal of Drugs in Dermatology
Do they have any financial interest in getting those results?
How do you know their math where correct?
How about… you get on your knees, and suck my wiener. You b***h.
You asked for a source so I gave you one. If you want your gay Reddit questions answered then go ahead and answer them.
Thank you for posting the source. That was really cool of you to do. I and maybe the other people in this thread appreciate that you did that. Now lets take this thread and discussion to the next level by looking at the study to see if its legit or not, so that we are better informed before we decide to start spending our money on this supplement.
-Is the study legit?
-Are there any ((financial interests)) at play?
Can you find me good studies in any subject without conflict of interest that are actually well done? Actual studies cost money and when you increase subjects/time of the study the costs increase a frick ton.
cont.
For example, is this a bad study?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37794246/
>Can you find me good studies in any subject without conflict of interest that are actually well done?
I do not know, i would assume that it would not be a difficult thing to do.
>For example, is this a bad study?
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37794246/
I do not know, but as you can see there is a conflict of interest and these companies have a financial interest in getting certain results, they use them for marketing purposes and making claims about products, and in countries with less regulations they are a lot loser with the truth. But you probably know this.
you fricking midwits need a study for fricking everything i know this shit works because i actually tried it you people are like fricking robots
I bet you got wild zink dreams to
??
That doesn't make sense since it's not like collagen is patented or anything. If it were a patented drug, and the study was being conducted by employees of the company that holds the patent, that would be something.
I want to believe but I find it weird how industry waste products are somehow so good for you
What you want is glycine.
Jannies this guy posts the same image of the same brand of collagen every week its clearly an ad can you take care of this
homosexual this company isn’t making any real money here
They're in costco they don't need to post on this site.
>simping for collagen
~~*big collagen*~~ strikes again, stay woke anon
yes
My oral skincare supplement stack:
>collagen
>gelatin
>hyaluronic acid
>vitamin c
>spermidine
>lycopene
>beta carotene and vitamin a
>zeaxthanin and lutein
>lycine
>elastin
>fish oil
>beta sitosterol
>reservatrol
And soon grape fruit oil/extract for oral and topical use
Any recommendations or criticisms?
>eating cum
>Any recommendations or criticisms
Just take a shower. You dont need any of these.
I also have a lot of topical skincare products and avoid all junkfood, no sugar at all, no fried food at all, no bread no onions mostly organic veggies
Spermidine is abundant in asian diets because onions diets and contributes to anti aging
>spending hundreds on this garbage when you can just use soap and not eat trash
>eating something called "spermidine"
bahahahhaah gay asf
Pro tip
Search for ascorbic acid at chemicals online shops and food addictive shops, those that sell in bulk for bakeries
It is a white powder and taste like you took a bite of a fruit that was not ripe yet
I buy 1kg bags for like R$ 30,00... That is around 6 dollars for a bag
Ridiculous cheap
Don't buy fancy supplements
You body can't even metabolize these things and you literally just shit supplements
Stick to creatine, c bit and eat chicken as if you would put the chicken into the risk to extinction list
This is what I do.. 36 yo 6'2" 99kg
> I buy 1kg bags for like R$ 30,00...
Link anão?
sente a pressão neném
https://www.casadosquimicos.com.br/
speak English you disgusting Black folk
Only way to improve collagen is with food. Eat fruits with plenty of water like watermelon or any kind of melon tbh
Why not just eat minced meat?
Keeps my mother’s old-lady spots away
When she slacks off on the collagen she gets purple spots
Gave me cystic acne. I’m 44.
It sounds more like a pro collagen thing to me because it proves that the cells in your skin do benefit from it. Stop being a swine an clean your pours with retinoids