How did you guys get over your depression about the limits of natty physiques?
I always had the misconception that the Zyzz kind of physique was attainable naturally, whereas it was the Ronnie Coleman kind of physique for which you needed juice.
Alas...
My natty physique is good. 6'3" 210 lean. Just lift.
you look like SHIT post your so called amazing natty body i want a good fricking hearthy laugh
manlet
skinnyfat
small frame
narrow shoulders
no muscle
next
kek
Good lats tho
If you don’t post body your criticism is irrelevant.
This is one year of natty lifting starting from an 18-20% skinny fat piece of shit. I had to cut down to the 150s just to get lean out of the gate and have managed to bulk up while staying lean all year.
PS I don’t even think I look great here, or that I’m anywhere near the natty limit.
My point is more that it really only takes 1.5-2 years of work to look great natty.
There’s absolutely no reason to take steroids ever, unless you want to look like a freak or you’re a rich actor with a whole team around you, trying to shortcut a good body for a role.
so full of shit lol
How so? Say more.
that guy usually has hex codes for his pics in the cbts and I've seen that picture with an accompanying
>natty lifting is a joke hurr durr
many times, then the guy just shows up in thread to "set the record straight" because "someone is using my pics"
you're a former dyel constantly looking for attention on IST at best, or a demoralizer spamming someone else's pictures at worst, more likely than not a mix between the two
Have you installed iOS 17? Let me know your pictures save when you do that.
Also none of that really changes what my body looks like - sorry anon. If you just had the discipline to stick with a program for a year or two, you could get out of this rut you’re in.
>immediately tries to put me down because I criticize his posting habits
I have a droid, and I'm doing just fine with my routine, congrats on the body I can tell you're very proud, doesn't change my point
Post timestamp pls, I know you have the time to write one out
Here’s your (You)
lmao I got the post number wrong again
you get the point
wow very convincing, not a timestamp tho
>date, time, with you in the frame holding the paper
wouldn't be that hard if you weren't larping
Yes anon, I literally built an exact reconstruction of some anonymous guy’s bathroom just so I could fool you into believe I’ve been lifting weights for the last year.
>still no timestamp
Kek funny how when you're in the shot you have the lighting different
and austistic
Pussy doesn't lie, man. It's the best judge of what's a good physique. If I catfished this pic on a dating app, I don't think I'd get any more attention than I'm getting skinny-fat, tbh. There's some very light ab definition, but everything else looks unremarkably normal.
he wouldnt get a single swipe on datings apps, hes too short. his best hope is to roidmax
You are not lean buddy. Your lean weight is probably around 180. Maybe lower.
little bit of gyno
My homie…
Br0 ur shit distorted
I'm natty 6 months
Never could be on Instagram
But I'm a fuvking unit no one would fuk with me
I look like a bookw1orm thay is strong
Lethal combo no one knows how to deal with thay
U gotta realise ur comqrijg urswpd to people thay do a shit ton of drugs
That's not realistic for most people
homies thay do tha1t shut never tel u about the bad shit
Adjust your expectations to reality dude
Women love natty. People call you big as natty.
I don't care about extreme body building
It's not the size of my body
It's how firm and posture is the body, it exudes solidness, like an oak tree
My posture improved a fricking lot from lifting, and while I still look small for my height, it got me a lot more attention from women for some reason.
no, I enjoying lifting enough that the positive changes to my appearance are almost an afterthought. Have fun while lifting and the body dysmorphia falls to the wayside.
By looking at how 100% of roiders are mentally ill homosexuals like Sam sulek
I'm not gonna say homies is mentally ill
They got different missuons
Life is a series od trade offs
Ain't no one way to do life bruh
>I'm not gonna say homies is mentally ill
>says the homie schizo bombing this thread
kek
I write in different ways for fun
I actually go outside, pick up girls, and watch them mire my "limited natty physique" while I frick them.
I'd recommend doing the same
got any pics of your physique by any chance?
Sure, 6'3 200lbs, this was me a bit ago but I pretty much look the same due to just doing maintenance and being busy with work, planning on a bulk after Q1 starts, then a cut Q2
I've considered roids since I feel as though I'm fairly close to my natty limit, and getting that final 10-15% will take forever, but I get complimented a lot as is, have a few close, really good friends and can snag a cutie here and there, so I don't see much point other than impressing gymcels that frequent IST or the gym's bathroom stalls
>if you call me dyel without posting body I will assume you are a fat moron
the only natty with a functioning brain
'mirin body and those shorts that look like an 80s fast food drink cup
mirin delts natty bro
ty, and they are based off that cup design
I give my face a 6/10 at best, I'm a chinlet, but look decent from the front. I think my success with women comes from me never being afraid to say what I want around them. I also jestermaxxed hard when I was skelly in highschool/college and it was fairly cringe, now that I'm decently fit I just come off as charming
Food for thought.
nah, mate, you mog me 100%, but I just don't think I'd be turning heads with that.
maybe you're a handsome dude or something and attributing your success with women to your bod.
You look ok. This is a decent natty physique, but its not a *good* physique. But respectable, as a young natty man.
>but its not a *good* physique
Post body, homosexual, I'll bet he mogs you to hell and back.
Irrelevant. Still not a good physique regardless of who gets mogged. You are probably not smart enough to understand this however.
>Irrelevant. Still not a good physique regardless of who gets mogged. You are probably not smart enough to understand this however.
Looks like you have mostly everything except pecs. Shoulders look especially good for a natural.
If I leaned right now to ab0ut 80kg, I'd never have ti lift again in my life
But I got a missi0n
Bitches come easy when ur life is set
ok but why would you be depressed about natty limits if you're not even close to it?
or have you trained for 10+ years? cause the fact that my limit is so far away actually motivates me
>oh that's the best i can reach? damn..
but you didn't even reach half of that yet, moron
what a low-iq post
you seemed more bent on insulting op than on actually thinking through what you're saying
just say you didn't get it and move on, even though i was pretty straight forward
>why would you be depressed that your car can travel at only 2 mph if you haven't got to 1 mph yet?
lol, homosexual
you live in zimbabwe and you want to own a lamborghini. you don't even know why, you just do.
oh you didn't get this one too right? roidmonkey
keep digging that moron hole as you contort those analogies
10 years? Lmao, you have made 90% of your gains after 3 years of solid lifting. And that's it, that is your effective natty limit. The last 5 years of your 10 year duration is stagnation and maintaining.
Natural lifting isn’t the problem, your genetics are, because elites do exist. But in any case, if you’re a normal healthy young male, you don’t need roids to impress women unless they have a thing for huge dudes. Otherwise a bmi of about 25 with abs and visible muscle definition is plenty to impress. And strength wise you can get quite strong natty with a good program and dedication. If you’re doing roids it’s really for your own satisfaction and I can’t help you there.
once I benched 2pl8s for 5 reps and pendlay rowed 2pl8s for 8 reps, guys started complimenting me and gave me more respect, while some of the girls I was with appreciated my size, granted I do benefit from being pretty tall. And I am NOT lean whatsoever and if I posted body I'd be clowned for being a dyel fatty. ~6'5, 255 pounds. Definitely not to say I shouldnt lose weight, but you get my point that you dont need to be perfect to massively benefit from lifting.
The reality is that hitting 1/2/3/4 puts you over at least 90% of men, and people on this board are haters who perpetuate body dysmorphia, and thats social media in general. I think 15% bf and 1/2/3/4 is a realistic long term goal for almost all men, and you'll look and feel great at that level
do roids you tard
natty lifting is moronic. as moronic as trying to drive without fuel
If you legitimately problem solve and always focus on gaining strength AND endurance, you can get very large as a natty
Most people just accept certain lies early on and then give up claiming "muh genetics"
After 6 years of serious lifting, I hit 274lbs @8% bf at 6'4
You can't stay lean as a natty but you can cut down to it to prove it every once in awhile
Keep lifting heavy, keep eating real food and never stop gaining weight (slowly). A healthy adult male should slowly gain lean mass through their 30s even to their 40s as long as they keep at it
HAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
>274lbs @8% bf at 6'4
DID THIS moronic NATTY REALLY JUST CLAIM TO BE MORE MUSCULAR THAN RONNIE COLEMEN
HOW ARE YOU NATTYS SO FRICKING moronic HOLY SHIT
i cant believe what the frick i just read. you need to seriously have a nice day. i mean it
POST BODY IMMEDIATELY WITH TIMESTAMP
how much money do i have to wire transfer to your family for you to have a nice day?
28%*
Sorry I made a typo guys, I'm 274 lbs at 28%
Call it a cope, call it delusion, call it a lie but I genuinely like looking natty. I don't like the huge traps, the huge delts, the wire thin skin, the bulging veins and the dorito look. I genuinely prefer the harmony of the natty physique and the moment I realised my goal physique can ONLY be achieved natty is when I really started to appreciate what I have. Without even getting into the psychology of roiding, I can tell you I get complimented daily, I feel fantastic and I appreciate every little gram of gains I achieve by the sweat of my brow.
I was never depressed about it because I don't have body dysmorphia
You should try not basing your self worth on unrealistic expectations of appearance that nobody actually cares about
not knowing about gear was the biggest redpill i've ever learned in my fitness or even overall life, similar to you, thought only the 'biggest' of guys took stuff
>I always had the misconception that the Zyzz kind of physique was attainable naturally
So why do you think he blasted a literally fatal dose of roofs to achieve and maintain it? You fricking idiot.
Roids didnt kill Zyzz, his heart defect did. Zyzz also did recreational drugs like a true moron.
I'm a beast
Natty bodies are nothing worth praising. Undefined and small-ish. Everyone who looks good is using testosterone or sarms.
Stop caring. Focus on feeling healthy and strong. Delete ALL socal media on your phone and stop comparing yourself to others.
Im happy with my natty physique
Is using steroids as normal as this board tries to make you believe
No
Does your gym not have a “sharps disposal” container overflowing with used needles?
Because mine sure does.
>just GoodLife things
steroid use has steadily skyrocketed along with inceldom and anti-semitism since 2008
youre an incel, involuntarily celibate. You're ugly, so why arent you using steroids then?
>implying
anyone who hates on roids and loves israelites at the same definitely has to be ugly
so since youre ugly and a so called "incel" then why not use roids to boost your looks?
let me guess ur autistic, let me guess you dont even want kids or a gf. you just like playing VIDYA 18 hours a day. have a nice day tism case
what the frick are you on about?
you are ugly in real life
i'm not though
you are ugly. you have no gf. you never even held hands with a girl. so that makes you an incel. so if youre an incel why are you hating on other incels. explain the logic
i'm married with 3 kids
oh I GET IT NOW youre oldhead thats why umad. 50+ grandpa?
no i'm 21 i'm just mormon, i have 3 wives dont get too mad Black person chudcel
ur ugly and ur an incel also trumps gonna win 2024
hey boomer ur ugly and a manlet old fart
how many years left? 15?
do you know how i know that youre ugly? because you used the word incel unironically. its always 3/10 autistic swampcreatures that use the word incel
does your mom know youre gay?
sounds like something an incel would say. do you have autism? most left leaning betas do
are the incels with us in the room right now?
>Is using steroids as normal as this board tries to make you believe
at least 98% of the physiques that make men 'mire and make women drop panties are juice physiques
the remainder belong to natty dudes who have elite genes and who have been grinding for a decade or more
The only benefit of steroids are sometimes the visual effects, other than that you're completely wrecking your body. Your tendons get weaker making you prone to injury, you age yourself rapidly, your heart gets fricked, and you essentially castrate yourself. Lots of roiders die early deaths because the shit is so unhealthy for you. Zyzz died at 22 and Ronnie Coleman is so fricked up he needs a wheel chair in his 50s.
The "tren twins" now look like they're 40 in their early 20s. Sam Sulek can't talk into the camera without turning red and gasping for air. Rich Piana died in his 40s, David Laid lost his hair and got injured, Callum Von Moger got injured and became a full on drug addict, the list can go on. Not to mention all of the nameless homosexuals who went on steroids for no reason and got cystic acne, gyno, mental illness, and a host of other shit.
>b-but they look better
Yeah in pictures, imagine dating a dude thinking he's naturally ripped and then having him inject needles into his ass, lifting everyday, having rage issues, becoming infertile, needing multiple surgeries in his 30s, and generally being a self absorbed moron. Only guys will be impressed.
Just stay natty, I've never seen roiding work for anyone long term.
Lmao
>s-stay safe, dont take ANY risk, like me
Life is supposed to be lived. You are cowering in a corner. Test is not dangerous unless you YOLO it like a Black person
Why would I take something to make me look worse?
I guess I could start taking Burger King daily too, but I don’t want to.
Everyone who looks good uses test, it's that simple. But some people are afraid of a little insulin needle and so they cope the best they can (sour grapes).
If you post a time stamped picture of yourself and look better than all of these natty anons:
I’ll consider listening to you.
If you’re not able to do that, might as well go ahead and just have a nice day.
>basing your evidence on a subset of moron influencers and world class bodybuilders while tens of millions of men are on TRT and other PEDs living just fine
nice brainrot lawl
>I have to jam needles into my ass for the rest of my life or I can't get an erection anymore
Yeah man cool baseline
Natty is all you need. Anything beyond natty and you are only lifting for other men, not just other men but other weirdo men who have left humanity behind
6’3, 200 pounds, 12% bf. Compared to other serious lifters or body builders I am absolutely DYEL. But irl have had women and men compliment my build all the time, chicks touch muscles, have been compared to Clark Kent, captain America, etc all ded srs
Again I’m DYEL but you don’t need much to impress a normie. If you are considering roids then find a hobby imo because you’re spending too much of your mental energy on your size
Any srs lifter will use test at some point. Remaining natty is remaining small and unremarkable.
Depression over not being a roidtroony? What the frick are you talking about?
No, from looking bad, because of being natty.
Lifting will only improve your image by about 10% or so. You still need a good looking face, hair, money, social status, come from a good family, have a good personality and charisma.
Lifting kind of becomes a drag once you realize it's sort of pointless. Most people do it because they have nothing else to do and also get socialize with others a little bit. The gym is full of incels, average people and wagies.
an extremely good-looking face (9-10/10) means one can be an unemployed lanklet with no friends and no lights on upstairs.
you know it's true, bruh. I sense the doompilled spirit in you.
Yes
If you're doing it for women then you're wasting your time.
Women want skinny with muscle, literal DYEL with visible muscle, hell even a little pudgier.
The muscle bro stuff is for bros or your own athleticism. Zyzz is model tier but overkill to get laid
Speech 100 > Strength 100
t. Sex haver
Zyzz's physique was obtainable in the sense of size and leaness but 'unobtainable' in the sense of insertions and proportions. If you trained your fricking ass off and had amazing diet and recovery you could achieve his size and leaness in like 6-7 years and maybe wouldn't be able to be that lean all year round comfortably. But what made his physique so good was his proportions and insertions which you'll never be able to imitate even with roids.
If the obvious downsides of roiding aren't enough for you to make peace with lifting natty then there isn't much else to say. Personally, I exercise to be healthy and getting temporarily bigger to jeopardize my health seems obviously not worth it.
>I always had the misconception that the Zyzz kind of physique was attainable naturally,
It is. It's not attainable naturally overnight and while training like a complete moron, like Zyzz did and like all the dumbass dyels on this board want to be able to do.
I "cope" by going to the gym and seeing all the bald roiders that saved their head, all the balding roiders wearing baseball caps, all the guys that have sleep apnea and look like balloon animals and the guys that fricked up bad on hgh or whatever and have weird distended roid guts.
Natty is the way.