I work in a warehouse driving a forklift. Everyone always assumes I am in charge until told otherwise. Whenever a driver comes in to drop something off they always talk to me first. Every new employee always asks me for help first even though I am far from the most experienced. Did you experience this also when you got jacked?
yeah people are animals
Shut up lardass. Humans instinctively look for a leader who is physically fit. It shows commitment and self control. Humans instinctively dislike fatasses because they have a thinner blood brain barrier that allows toxins right in to dumb them down, poor self control, or a gene disorder. Nothing about those traits screams a leader.
Winston Churchill was fat tho.
there were other signals we picked up on then. back then and sometimes somewhere now someone who is fat is seen as someone who has "plenty to eat" as in they have resources and funds
Winston Churchill lost us the empire
He was alpha while doing it though.
leading men doesnt mean your alpha, sometimes alphas simply dont want to lead and let other men do it. its what i do.
Hitler wasn't.
Which one didn't like central banking again?
>Which one didn't like central banking again?
Neither. Do you think Germany didn't had a central bank?
Black person the entirety of ww2 was fought over germany breaking away from the central banking system that dominated europe. literally every other reason they told you was a lie.
>but muh poland
they didnt give a shit about poland, thats why they let the commies frick it up after germany left. No one does still. it was just an excuse you naive moron.
I said yeah as an answer. Im kinda jacked. You also proved my point homosexual
Okay but you're a forklift driver, not a leader
People ask forkies questions because generally you know where everything is and how the tracking and storage systems work etc
The only a reason a truck driver talks to you is because you're the one who takes shit off their truck
Idiot wagie
I am OP the forklift driver, not the guy your responding to.
>The only a reason a truck driver talks to you is because you're the one who takes shit off their truck
I rarely unload trucks and also im not on the forklift all the time. So theres no way the drivers would know what I do. They often walk past other people who are closer in order to specifically talk to me.
>People ask forkies questions because generally you know where everything is and how the tracking and storage systems work etc
Thats probably a part of it but they will again often ignore other people to come talk to me specifically.
There are a lot of subconscious things at play. Physical fitness and aesthetics are a proxy for genetic worth and signal that you are a good fecund mate who will yield high quality offspring. Like what said.
It also signals positive attributes like self care, discipline, energy, motivation, intelligence, future thinking and more. You basically signal that you’ve got your shit together more than the average slob. As a result people looking for someone to lead or shoulder responsibilities (even just answering a simple question) will gravitate towards the fit person. Part of the reason I started lifting two years ago was to help with my career.
I notice people are more polite to me in general. Like there's more respect. Some women hate masculine dudes and go out of their way to let me know they're ignoring me, which is not something I expected.
>Some women hate masculine dudes and go out of their way to let me know they're ignoring me.
I'm getting this experience too from some women. Esp. those "higher up" at work, some wont even look me in the eyes. This never happended when I was skelly mode
Biden voting women tend to be like this as they prefer emasculated men, because emasculated men satisfy their power trip and let them get away with whatever.
When you’re more masculine they know you can and will dominate them and avoiding eye contact helps them cope and “avoid” that painful truth.
I guess you're in a lust-provoking shape now and some women are spergs and don't know to how handle those feelings in a professional environment. To be honest there's no cultural script for them to follow. They're the more powerful member of the organization reacting to an attractive subordinate. How do they act? Like a sperg.
Now that I think about it, there's no real script for men either beyond fricking the secretary.
Obviously the answer is to separate the sexes into two parallel societies who only procreate at a deeply traumatic ceremony once every five years.
150 IQ post
>. Some women hate masculine dudes and go out of their way to let me know they're ignoring me, which is not something I expected.
yeah, up to a certain point, your looks help you screen females.
Yeah since I got fit and regrew my hair with fin, people at work (women especially) treat me better.
They look me in the eye more, they smile at me more, they ask me more questions about my life, and they ask me for help solving work problems more often.
Same, becoming an attractive man made me dislike women even more than I already did because now I know both how they treat skinny wimps and guys they find attractive.
It’s the same for women, most people are shallow and subconsciously treat better looking people better
Why would this upset you? People are attracted to attractive people.
You were not previously attractive.
I used to be obese and was basically invisible to girls and now I am skinny and do get attention from girls.
the main problem I have with women is all the bullshit they used to tell me about how our personalities just arent compatible instead of just straight up telling me I wasnt attractive.
Would have saved me a lot of anguish knowing it was because of my looks and not because of my personality.
At the end of the day love and all that horse shit that gets peddled to young guys is bullshit, its all about looks and being tolerable enough in personality.
Idk like the thing is just that it's actually really hard to have a good personality if you have bad looks because like esp basically.
You can feel the other person judging you and act on that perception and then it compounds.
I had a better personality when I was fat now I find myself judging people and being an butthole far more often and just not giving a frick, when I was fat I was much more funnier and outgoing, though inside I was very depressed. Fat me would have made a very good husband.
You're in your own head.
literally how? You take care of yourself, you get treated better.
>literally how? You take care of yourself, you get treated better.
I was invisible fat then all of sudden i lost weight now girls show interest brutal
>You're in your own head.
i may have been sucking my own wiener while posting that, but facts are facts
How egotistical do you have to be to think people just deserve to be treated well when they can't even do the bare minimum of being presentable?
But. Did you change? Maybe you attitude changed. Being fit less bald maybe made you more confident
I'm always listening to people and asking how they are doing but no one ever asks me how I'm doing. I listen to my coworkers problems all the time but when I mentioned my brother was in the hospital this Christmas, no one gave a shit. I'm so lonely
I've noticed people are mirin' more, approach me and initiate conversation and just generally more receptive compared to before. Been working out since June of last year and have noticed this chnage just recently after finishing a cut in December and now trying to bulk....feels pretty good....haven't gotten noticed like this in years...
you’re gonna make it
People at the gym ask me if random equipment is unoccupied.
yeah I get that too kek.
I'm clearly working at one rack, and people always ask if I'm using the obviously empty one across the aisle.
The only thing that changed was that random men make fun of my ass and random women stare at it.
Women in my family like to punch or slap my ass.
And women friends like to directly compliment it and sometimes like to poke my chest.
But I'm good looking so I don't think this will be true with every anon.
My mom slaps my ass all the time
yes. they say life doesn't begin until you hit 12%.
really, life (as you are perceived by others) doesn't begin until you hit 12%.
appearances matter a lot.
Life truly does begin at sub 12% BF.
I have an average face. White, 6'0", green eyes, brown hair (blonde during youth). Not a lot of muscle. When I'm over 12% BF I'm just a normal guy -- don't get a lot of attention from women. Don't command much respect at work. Kind of your typical not-overweight-but-nothing-impressive adult.
When I'm sub 12% BF it's like a switch is flipped -- women act insane around me. It's not just nicer interaction at the water cooler or in public or Christmas party. More than one woman has proposed an affair with me. One of them was married to my (distant) friend. Sitting at a bar with guys from my beer league, women approach me and openly try to get me to leave with them despite me wearing a wedding ring and saying I have kids a hundred times. It's a completely different game. Perhaps being in my 30s and in the US and being that lean has something to do with it -- I basically have zero adult peers that are in shape post having kids. As an adult you become a unicorn if you have a 6 pack beyond 30 / beyond kids.
You being married is what turns them on. You're forbidden fruit.
I've been married and >12% BF around these same women and when that's the case I'm back to being invisible.
The physical, primal, subconscious nature of it is very apparent. They touch my arms/back/stomach as they're talking to me. They make contact with me as they go past me in no-so-tight office kitchens. They ask me to go get after work drinks all the time and include me in all the out of office events. They only do this when I'm IST. I've always been a bit of a yo-yoer with my weight so I've entered and exited the promised land a few times (usually gain BF% after each kid then lose it again) so I have done the "experiment" a few times. Women do NOT know how to act around a grown man with flat abs. They go absolutely insane and all of the sudden they're willing to give up their families to screw you.
Funny, that was one thing I noticed too.
I don’t attend most after-work events like drinks, etc. but I’ve noticed I get a lot more invites and a lot more insistence that I come when I’m around 12% bodyfat.
I do think this is a real thing.
>They touch my arms/back/stomach as they're talking to me
this has happened to me a few times and while the monkey part of my brain enjoys the attention it really shows how hypocritical women are lol
How do they even know you have abs? Do you walk around shirtless?
In the summer if I'm wearing a T shirt? You can see the vascularity in my forearms, the bicep veins, and shoulders through the shirt. Perhaps they don't see the six pack but they can see from the visible parts of me and the rest of my sillouhette that I'm in good shape. Keep in mind that I'm in the south so the average adult is a lardass. I stick out quite a bit in public if I'm standing amongst my age peers.
is it just me or does the second guy look better in the first pic...
It's just you. He perhaps has a strange pose in the lean pic but he would absolutely clean up with younger girls while that lean while being mostly invisible as his puffier self.
It's just the stupid face he's making compared to the casual pic taken in the first. He's not especially good looking in either but it's much better in the second one
If you don't have alot of muscle and are 12% you just look like a skinny b***h in clothes
I grew up hearing I'm a waste of a pretty face, and that I'm pretty for a fat girl, etc. I didn't care and just hid myself in a nerdcave for most my teens. Freshman year of college got an undiagnosed illness and tried holistic approach of lots of fasting and raw vegan/and later carnivore diet. Healed up, lost a ton of weight and felt amazing so got into fitness and outdoors/sports. Sophomore year was wild, people I knew legit didn't recognize me. I mean my personality changed, too. Somewhat, still more of an introvert but developed more extrovert tendencies because people just were talkative and insanely nicer to me. Girls especially, more wanted to get to know me and invited me to events and such. They ignored or were briefly fake nice back when I was a fat slob. Guys of course more interested, but I had I guess fetish weirdos and general desperate creeps always trying with me before. Same amount of creeps, just also more actually attractive guys now, too. I guess I still have ugly duckling syndrome because they make me nervous. I can't tell if a guy just wants to hook up or genuinely date either, I just don't trust them. I never dated, and I'm friends with a few guys for sports/camping but they're either gay or taken so they don't treat me that way. Still learning about everything in general and not focused on guys in any way outside platonic friends for now.
Listen here babe, let's go back to my place and I'll make you a bowl of eggs.
you know the rules
I want to give you a kiss
>I can't tell if a guy wants to hook up or genuinely date
Having sex is a part of dating.
If they ask you on a date while wanting to have sex with you they want to go on a date with you, and if they don't ask you on a date while wanting to have sex with you they want to hook up.
If you're talking a committed relationship, that's not something you decide before the first date. You should be using those dates as a means to sus out information on the other person to even see if a committed relationship is feasible - yes this includes sexual compatibility as well.
Yeah, I have too much anxiety about that is what. Also, thanks for the straightforward explanation. It's simple and makes sense, I've definitely just overthink too often. I've gotta work on mental gains before I date for the first time, and figure out NY sexuality bc I've been asexual for a long time but I'm attracted to men and do hope to gave a traditional/monogamous relationship some day.
How are you doing lately? Have you thought about getting a pet, cat or dog?
listen here, baby girl
frick this idiot
come to my place, I will make you 2 bowls of eggs
(make sure you show up with an empty stomach, you will have to eat all of them)
When i was fat people didn't talk to me.
When i lost weight and got slightly fit they still didn't.
same
my favourite cope is to pretend that I am too attractive so they get nervous and don't talk to me
>be skinny me
>girls don't acknowledge me, guys subordinate me
>be fit me
>girls talk to me, guys follow my lead
the only time someone said "wow" when seeing me for the first time was when I squatting 3.5 diddlies for reps
no one wows over a squat fatty
Normies are actually very easily impressed at the gym. I rarely see anyone do 2pl bench press save for one of the personal trainers at my gym
i go to a gym thats 99% skinny broccoli hair teenagers and I can barely bench 2 plates but Im still the strongest one there and get asked for advice its hilarious
they weren't saying wow at me in the gym it was when I was thick and juicy I went to a party and got an omg reaction from a girl I just met
I'm a university lecturer and going from skinny to fit absolutely changed how my students respond to me, but part of that might also be just developing my own public speaking skills and similar things. In any case, every single semester I will have several of my male students stay after class or randomly show up to office hours to ask about fitness advice. Sometimes I see them in the gym and they'll come say hi and all that. I also have female students blatantly flirt with me or eyefrick me (I don't act on it, I'm not going to abuse my position of power). When presenting research and such in front of professors/researchers, I've noticed people are much more deferential to a lesser degree.
After about a year of lifting and fixing my fricked up diet, one of my friends got jealous. He tried to get everyone to stage a weird intervention type meeting by telling our mutual friends that I had an eating disorder because I was losing weight, stopped beer, and stopped eating fast food. I found out because a few of them texted me to ask what the frick was going on. Apparently he found some blog that claimed that intentional weight loss is a sign of disordered eating and suicidal ideation. Haven't spoken to him in years.
I go to visit family for the holidays and my brother is there. We havent seen in almost a year and he lost a lot of weight.
He's telling us all about his diet and exercise routine, how he goes to the pool every day etc.
When he leaves my mother starts crying because she thinks he has cancer.
>When he leaves my mother starts crying because she thinks he has cancer.
People are so fricking stupid
I am 6’5 and ugly so women avert their gaze when I notice them staring
No, literally nothing changed. Some guys said “you look jacked”, I’m still an Incel, I’m still a loser, I’m still friendless spergcel. It was worthless lifting as a manlet. If anything you get made fun of for lifting as a manlet now, so I just gave up and do light weights 3 days a week at home
Halo effect is real. The fitter you are, the more respected your opinion is.
My and my (13 year old) Hispanic wife
Bejitabro btw.
>pic
Cute!
The Halo effect is real
now soldiers are all teabagging each other on the battle field
If they say you’re fit they are actually just encouraging you out of pity cause you look like you’re trying but not getting results.
women grope my arms/back without permission while talking to me,even if the conversation is not in a sexual context. I used to like it when it started happening at first but it gets really annoying sometimes,especially when unnattractive/below average women do it. I've started wearing jackets in the hope to avoid it.
larp
just because it never happened to you doesnt mean its a larp
you had me going until you said you had to start wearing jackets to ward off all this female sexual interest you were getting.
The problem with IST incels is they always larp too far.
I believe it.
You don't know women dude
Women can be disgustingly over confident about trying to get laid.
I would run around my town and have land whales stop in the middle of the road like I'm gonna just hop in on their ugly fat gross ass.
And yet I also get attention from like 8 percent bf college girls.
I fricking hate fat girls so much man,and if you let them know you're not interested,they'll claim your a homosexual since in their heads they think they're hot shit
I've been a recluse for 22 fricking years. I started at 17, and I'm 39 now. I only left my house maybe twice a year during that time. I finally couldn't take it anymore and tried to get better over the last 3 or so months by going outside more. To my shock, I'm getting swarmed by women - which is absolutely insane to me because a big part of the reason why I was a recluse for so long is because I thought I was hideously ugly and pathetically weak and disgusting (I was diagnosed with severe body dysmorphia last year). And then you frickers would sometimes shit on my body progress pics saying I didn't look all that great. Although, to be fair, most people said I look great for my age (39) and even called me a Chad. And a big part of the reason why I'm so successful with women is because I consistently lifted weights during that 22 years of severe isolation. And so women are complementing me on how sexy my arms are or admiring my physique in general. And so thank you, weight lifting. You somewhat salvaged my insanely fricked up life and allowed me to bang hot chicks half my age despite being such a massive weirdo and loser. People really do treat you better if you're buff.
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How the frick can i get like this???? fricking imprssed, Diet? how long?
He said already
Lift for 22 years
Go do it, I’ll wait
Lifting consistently for 26 years. I started at 13. I used to be way bigger. Age + injuries have slowly eaten away at my gains. I've been in maintenance mode for several years. My weight on the bars hasn't increased at all in forever. I'm just maintaining a decent physique at this point - which, contrary to what people tell you on here, impresses most people irl.
As to my diet; I do OMAD (one meal a day) and try to avoid high glycemic index food (basically highly processed junk food). And in order to reduce my body fat percentage, I just reduced my calorie intake by cutting down on the amount of dried fruits and whatnot that I was eating. From the first pic to the last pic was only like 6 weeks.
Thank you. I actually really appreciate people being nice to me. I never really expect it on IST.
Had to do an EKG or whatever for my annual physical to make sure that my heart is working right (it is). They have to attach a bunch of electrodes to your torso, and so they had to shave off patches of my chest hair so that they'd stick properly.
ECG. It measures your heart rhythm and detects any arrhythmias
Thanks, anon. So glad I've started OMAD and got my hunger impulses under control. Currently can chill till 2pm without feeling hunger at all.
I'm looking into OMAD. Do you slowly transition into it, or do you just do a huge protein-filled meal in the afternoon ?
I've only beed doing OMAD for 2 months and at first I couldn't go to sleep without a second meal before bed. Just couldn't do it. So I ate 2 times a day. Then one day I just did it and that was enough to mute my hunger hormones for good.
>huge protein-filled meal
It's not even that huge honestly, more like a normal lunch. Grains, eggs, vegetables, chicken, meat, soup, stew. Turns out I didn't need breakfast or dinner and just overate for no good reason.
I see. I usually eat a bagel with some fruit + a protein shake in the morning, then either rice or potatoes with Chicken/Turkey for lunch + another protein shake, then a sandwich when I get home from work at night.
Doesn't even look like a bad diet tbh, I think you have the potential to make it just a lunch in no time.
I think the guys who are used to eating something real like a full English for breakfast would have a harder time omading.
Thanks. I'll see if I can replace my night-time meal with just a protein shake. Due to my job, I usually eat lunch around 3- 4pm. Hopefully I'll be able to withstand the hunger in the long-term.
I'm heading off to bed. thanks for the advice, man. Hope you have a good day/night.
Gn bro.
I do this as well, works wonders for those late day sugar carvings, perfect to lose weight like this
nta but i neck a dozen eggs with a loaf of bread on top of whatever meal, usually around 5pm
You started out brilliant and you only got better, proud of you
Why are your breasts shaved in the last one? lmao
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>And so women are complementing me on how sexy my arms are or admiring my physique in general.
It seems to be just guys complementing me kek
hell yeah, nice
I started lifting 3 years ago. People who know me longer noticed big changes. Most people respect me except skinny broccoli hair zoomer males who are insecure and always wants to fight with me.
>Everyone always assumes I am in charge until told otherwise.
let me guess, you're tall?
So I read about 12% bf and I've had an athletic runners build my whole life.
I'm only 5 lbs from being 12 percent anyway, but it's not buff.
I get hit on sometimes if I'm thin but basically it's like more brunettes depressive ish emo like personalities over sunny germanic blonde types.
So I guess I mean for people to weigh in on like athletic, but not jacked.
Also then what level of jacked do you need?
Say you're 6 foot and have 12% but then how much do you need to weigh total?
I'm 160 so like 170? 180?
That's wide receiver in college football territory.
I also just went to the gym and did 1k calories on the elliptical and started to feel my foot arch so...
Guess I'll go back tomorrow and do a simple mass routine.
>started to feel my foot arch
What does that mean never used an elliptical? Am i gonna die?
No but I was on it for 90 minutes so basically it's the equivalent of any running injury forming.
im pretty sure that ottermode is being lean with moderate muscles, not being skinny.
> brunettes depressive ish emo like
Holy shit you're living the dream
>fit
>forklift certified
leave some women for the rest of us bro
its a brutal blackpill tbh
i feel it more like a white pill. Motivating af. Lose body fat + lift more = easier life.
Obviously, if you have the genes it will be even easier, but you dont need to be a 7 foot genious rich gigachad to have a happy life.
Do you feel in charge?
IST pls go
Same as some anons have said here, growing taller during late teenagehood and becoming muscular made me disgusted with people and especially women. I always felt like the same person inside, but now suddenly that I'm attractive you love my personality? Suddenly I'm hilarious and loveable? Frick off.
I completely understand women when they say if you don't love me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best. None of these prostitutes deserve me.
I mean the biggest thing Ive had (Besides 3 new girls a week on average) has been that really really hot girls treat me well.
Ive literally been hanging out with models who will grope me in public, drink and smoke (even when they arent supposed to) and bring me to VIP in clubs.
Its weird but nice to experience, the same three girls for multiple years now.
People used to say I'm good for nothing, now they say I look like I work out
It's definitely different. When I'm in the grocery store or something I notice people are much more likely to open the door for me, move out of the way in an aisle, etc as opposed to when I was skinny-fat. Women are vastly different though. I didn't have many interactions with my female coworkers but once I got fit I actually do have interactions with them but they can be either very flirtatious, friendly, or they are extremely rude and b***hy.
Something I noticed is that women are never b***hy with unattractive men.
Lol as a former unattractive man they were always b***hy to me.
Just a reminder that she being disrespectful or a c**t isn't the same as she being b***hy
Tales from the slums of mumbai
Yes, but it went from being treated like shit or like I wasn't there to being treated with respect and like a normal human being, but also a little bit scared of me. I'm a nice and polite person and I don't want to intimidate anyone, but I'm also bald and have a very masculine face and a naturally mean mug, so some people keep their distance.
When I started a new job years ago, I was the only IST person, and was also a bit younger than most of the other employees. Most were overweight moms 5-10 years older. And when we sat at the lunch table on my first day, they brought up diet and exercise topics unprompted. I was a young, naive autist who assumed good in people back then, so it took me a bit to realize what was going on. That they felt threatened and judged simply by me being IST and were scrutinizing what I was eating, coming up with weird copes and justifications for their own lifestyles. I could tell the atmosphere was tense and weird but didn't get why until I thought about it later. It was a very odd experience.
The next day they did it again and I had the nerve to disagree with one woman claiming that treadmills are actually bad for you. I learned that I just had to let them talk and ignore their bullshit. Better yet, I began agreeing with them and lying to them, because it was what they wanted to hear, like "Oh yeah, it's not your lifestyle, it's your genes. You're totally right, Susan." Over time, they got over it and things became normal. But I've never had people seething at me for existing like that before or since.
>Lying to fit in
>Not only that, but telling another person's lie
Anon, you shouldn't have been so concerned about what those fatass cows thought of you. Women's minds work on consensus, so by going along with the "muh genetics, muh cundishuns, muh tabolism" cope you're making it that much harder to break their delusions. Whereas if you politely yet firmly hold your ground for long enough, you can reverse-gaslight them into good habits.
I thought I was reading into it too much at first but its true. Quite literally, people wave through a crowd in a busy subway station or somesuch and despite all the people and sometimes despite having earphones they come right to me to ask for directions and such.
Really well built gym girl smiled at me again this morning and I don't know what to do
Yes, last weekend a bartender gave me a free drink because she said I was cute, and the girl at the movie theater blushed when I looked at her. I think it's less about my body (because it's cold here and they can't see it underneath my layers) and more that I've lost a lot of face fat and have a good hairstyle now
Yes but I’ve always been Chad/fit even before I really hit puberty. Gifted genetics and an Olympian father made me always love working out.