>disproves intelligent design

>disproves intelligent design

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    fucking rotator cuffs, how do they work

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have had a fucked up shoulder for 5 months. I can’t bench or do flys anymore. fuckin doing push-ups or running hurts it
      waited three weeks for a scan. Just went in and the doctor was like
      >looks fine bro
      doctors don’t have a fucking clue do they

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what type of scan, only a MRI can even hint at an issue in the shoulder

        or you're just a bitch

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ultrasound. GP put it through. Definitely not a bitch I’ve been fighting this shit. Took time off, done all the resistance band shit, stretching, hanging, working my way back up. It’s definitely fukt. My other arm can still do everything easily but the fukt one is unstable and can’t push even nearly the same weight so it’s holding me back like a bastard

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bro this isn’t 1890, there are probably 10 dudes max on the planet that are good enough at soft tissue ecography to diagnose shoulder issues. For instance if you had posterosuperior glenoid rim impingement Superman himself couldn’t pick that shit up with an ecograph. Get an MRI, preferably 3 Tesla or above, with said MRI CD go to the best sports surgeon in your country. Shoulder surgery is the elite echilon of sports O&T there are probably max 2-3 surgeons per developed country and probably 0 in most under developed country that are actually proficient in shoulder surgery.

            >t. O&T surgeon with sub speciality in gunshot trauma

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              bro I went to my nhs gp and they put me through to this scan. I’m not a doctor and had no choice or idea what they’ll do. On the other hand if there’s something I don’t need it’s being handheld through basic stretching and exercises which is exactly what they’re offering

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you have a calcification in one of your tendons or somewhere close to the subscapular nerve it can be surgically removed. Honestly I doubt state provided healthcare has any surgeons that are capable of these procedures. In my area there is literally one dude that is good enough at sports shoulder surgery and just talking to him for 10 minutes cost around 100 euros. For the moment take some anti inflammatory medication and rest for 10-14 days. Take an etoricoxib antiinflamatory two to three times daily, high dose, with a muscle relaxant personally I prefer clorzoxazonum also high dose 2-3 times. Put some antiinflamator gel/cream with ketoprofenum locally too once every six hours. Have no idea if you can get that shit without a prescription in Bongland. After taking this medication for a week and resting for another week introduce push-ups and rotator cuff exercises (with focus on external rotation). Do not, and I repeat do not do any overhead movements, be they pulling or pushing, I would even be wary of any stretches that require more than 90 degree abduction of the humerus. If you manage to do push-ups and rot cuff ex without pain like this for a month begin gradually adding more horizontal pushes and pulls. If these are also pain free congrats, never do vertical pushing/pulling in your life ever again until you can afford private healthcare.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                > If these are also pain free congrats, never do vertical pushing/pulling in your life ever again until you can afford private healthcare.

                The absolute state of vampiric hack surgeons with an evidence base from the 1980s

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao it’s a business just like anything else, I’m just trying to help him, if he had enough money I will personally give him the adress where he should go and he will be lifting pain free in less than 6 months.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NHS
                You get what you pay for

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              If you have a calcification in one of your tendons or somewhere close to the subscapular nerve it can be surgically removed. Honestly I doubt state provided healthcare has any surgeons that are capable of these procedures. In my area there is literally one dude that is good enough at sports shoulder surgery and just talking to him for 10 minutes cost around 100 euros. For the moment take some anti inflammatory medication and rest for 10-14 days. Take an etoricoxib antiinflamatory two to three times daily, high dose, with a muscle relaxant personally I prefer clorzoxazonum also high dose 2-3 times. Put some antiinflamator gel/cream with ketoprofenum locally too once every six hours. Have no idea if you can get that shit without a prescription in Bongland. After taking this medication for a week and resting for another week introduce push-ups and rotator cuff exercises (with focus on external rotation). Do not, and I repeat do not do any overhead movements, be they pulling or pushing, I would even be wary of any stretches that require more than 90 degree abduction of the humerus. If you manage to do push-ups and rot cuff ex without pain like this for a month begin gradually adding more horizontal pushes and pulls. If these are also pain free congrats, never do vertical pushing/pulling in your life ever again until you can afford private healthcare.

              >MRI
              >reliable for identifying source of pain

              yikes

              https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31279721/

              Bilateral magnetic resonance imaging findings in individuals with unilateral shoulder pain

              Most abnormal MRI findings were not different in frequency between symptomatic and asymptomatic shoulders. Clinicians should be aware of the common anatomic findings on MRI when considering diagnostic and treatment planning.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Do not @ me with a non double blind study published in a journal ranking 54/211 and performed by a physiotherapist in some Brazilian shithole that is not even their capital where he used literally one single ortho surgeon and one single radiologist in interpreting these MRIs, I just said up there that these things are extremely skill based. If I broke my foot in that Brazilian shithole I would rather shoot myself in the head than go to whatever butcher shop they call a hospital. Fucking imbecile.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                seethe cope etc

                https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23259671211073137

                Shoulder Pathology on Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Asymptomatic Elite-Level Rock Climbers

                A total of 50 elite climbers (age range, 20-60 years) without any symptoms of shoulder pain underwent bilateral shoulder examinations in addition to dedicated bilateral shoulder 3-T† MRI. Physical examinations were performed by orthopaedic sports medicine surgeons, while MRI scans were interpreted by 2 blinded board-certified radiologists to determine the prevalence of abnormalities of the articular cartilage, glenoid labrum, biceps tendon, rotator cuff, and acromioclavicular joint.

                The overall prevalence of intra-articular shoulder pathology detected by MRI in asymptomatic climbers was 80%, with 57% demonstrating varying degrees of glenohumeral articular cartilage damage. This high rate of arthritis differs significantly from prior published reports of other overhead sports athletes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >elite athletes can still perform
                without pain using busted up joints
                You don’t even understand the things you are posting, this study has nothing to do with MRIs picking up shoulder lesions or not, it’s about the fact that some people have a much higher tolerance for articular lesions than others. This is a well known thing clinically, many times when I get some patient that I accidentally discover with X condition on the radiograph or mri or whatever and he is here for something else I just don’t tell them, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. But when someone comes in with a fucked up shoulder that is painful and we do an mri and find a slap lesion 9/10 times fixing that with anchors cures the pain. Please stop @ing me you are annoyingly stupid.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I just had a labrum repaired in my hip, how fucked am I

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not my cup of tea, won’t give an opinion out of my ass but usually If he was confident enough to give you the photos that means he probably did a good job. The physiotherapy to recuperate after is always a bitch regardless of injury/procedure, it’s just varrying degrees of annoying. But if you read higher up I specified I am not a sports surgeon, the last arthroscopy I participated in was a knee one in my residency. Literally never performed or assisted in a hip arthroscopy. After I finished my residency I said goodbye to the orthopaedic part of ortho and trauma, and focused solely on trauma, did a second residency in general surgery and subspecialized in gunshot trauma.
                I get confrontational when people talk shit about us like we are trying to grift them or something, because I have colleagues that went into sports ortho and they really do try their best and admit their shortcomings to patients but a major part of why I didn’t go into sports surgery is because yes it’s not that develoDo not @ me with a non double blind study performed by a physiotherapist in some Brazilian shithole that is not even their capital where he used literally one single ortho surgeon and one single radiologist in interpreting these MRIs, I just said up there that these things are extremely skill based. If I broke my foot in that Brazilian shithole I would rather shoot myself in the head than go to whatever butcher shop they call a hospital. Fucking imbecile.ped, we simply are not that good at it yet as a collective, and honestly I would prefer not to spend my life doing low success rate surgeries on people that can probably get the same result doing physio and taking meds. Maybe in a few generations. You get shot on the other hand or run over by a car, it’s pretty straight forward and there is no alternative and we are much more robust and surefire with our procedures/treatment options

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was told my surgeon is 1 of 3 that can do this particular type of arthroscopy, if his reputation is to be believed, I imagine you know of him then.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Personally probably not, but I may have heard of him, elite sports surgeons have their own conferences and don’t really mingle that much with us trauma plebs, I’m basically the dude that stitches up shot morons and fixes up broken grandmas, dudes that operate on NFL and NBA players don’t really like being associated with my type.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                is this site just the autist outcasts from literally all fields lol I thought we were past that at this point but chan is chan I suppose

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I guess, I was a ISTner before I was a surgeon so kind of makes sense.

                You’re speaking to multiple dudes who are diving in to get info. I am slap tear dude this is another guy

                Yeah that makes more sense.

                well it gives me some solace about what you said then, I'm the post right above this one with my shoulder issues, the same surgeon does shoulder repairs, but I read what you said about your shoulder and I have also read about the risk to the brachial plexus.

                Even with my hip arthroscopy, I got pudendal nerve palsy from it and my dick is still numb from it and my LFCN also got injured and that is still numb even from an experienced surgeon, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree with my shoulder and maybe it's just a good idea to get it looked at to see what it is but not get surgery because it's not bother me like yours is bothering you.

                My labrum tear was a 50% tear and the reason why I got the surgery wasn't because of the pain of the hip, it was my deep six rotators pulling on my pelvic floor causing pudendal neuralgia, so hopefully I'm one of those people that has a high tolerance for articular disorders.

                Yeah not feeling my dick would make me get the surgery too, honestly fi you aren’t an elite athelete getting your shoulder operated just to push bigger numbers at the gym is not a good idea in my opinion, you can still get a nice athletic physique with light weights, if you still want to be big do some test cycles with deca oral, who knows that deca might heal your shit while also giving you gains pressing 20lbs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Isn’t deca 19-nor? I’m not super well read on this but wouldn’t that shut you down for a long ass time?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why you also take the test. We are anonymous here, we aren’t here to discuss the risks of roiding, where I as a doctor go like no don’t roid you might shut off your precious delicious testes, I’m telling you as a bro if you wanna get swole while lifting light then you gotta pin hormones in your ass bro, test with deca and hgh has been known to resolve chronic tendon/muscle issues in some people so if you pin might as well use the ones that have extra benefits, primo too might be a good choice

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah but nobody wants to be stuck on the test for a year unless they’re staying on it forever. It’s no small choice, I’d definitely opt for T/primo before I went straight into a lifelong commitment

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah not feeling my dick...

                ya, what fixed my pain was doing inverted rows. Then with the teres trigger points, I just did research and figured out it was teres and massaged them away. I don't really have trouble with it, just sometimes if I'm lifting something really heavy with that arm. I do face pulls and supinated band pull aparts as well.

                My main concern with these labrum issues isn't really about lifting weights, it's the increased risk of arthritis and wearing away of the joint. Finding out what the cause is might be the best thing, maybe it is something that's easily fixable, and having a motor nerve injured is the scariest thing and would not be worth it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Look the sad truth is that your shit will hurt when you get old or it might not, I’ve seen patients with joints that looked like ground zero but has no pain and others that looked almost normal but had crippling pain. If when you get old it starts hurting just start popping opioids, you’ll probably already be somewhat senile who cares if you will also be high all the time, or if you are going to get an operation better get it when you’re old instead of risking a fuck up while young, let your shoulder wear out to the max and get a prosthesis. True nowadays shoulder arthroplasty is shit but who knows maybe we will have better hardware in 30 years.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why you also take the test. We are anonymous here, we aren’t here to discuss the risks of roiding, where I as a doctor go like no don’t roid you might shut off your precious delicious testes, I’m telling you as a bro if you wanna get swole while lifting light then you gotta pin hormones in your ass bro, test with deca and hgh has been known to resolve chronic tendon/muscle issues in some people so if you pin might as well use the ones that have extra benefits, primo too might be a good choice

                Tfw our friendly board ortho is telling people to pin roids and pop opioids every chance he gets

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's already too late, I'm already on percocet from pain management (hopefully temporarily) for my hip

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hopefully temporarily
                Tragic to read. Get off it bro. Now

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a chronically tired person at baseline, my affinity is for stimulants, I don't give much of a shit about depressants, I'm using it as it is intended after a fairly major surgery.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                where’s this >hopefully coming from them? Weird way to word it for someone who’s not contemplated staying on it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you missed the part where I said after a major surgery, which means there is a chance of things going wrong.

                Recovery from this surgery is about 6-8 months, by temporarily I mean way before this time, hopefully I only need them for a couple months.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                well it gives me some solace about what you said then, I'm the post right above this one with my shoulder issues, the same surgeon does shoulder repairs, but I read what you said about your shoulder and I have also read about the risk to the brachial plexus.

                Even with my hip arthroscopy, I got pudendal nerve palsy from it and my dick is still numb from it and my LFCN also got injured and that is still numb even from an experienced surgeon, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree with my shoulder and maybe it's just a good idea to get it looked at to see what it is but not get surgery because it's not bother me like yours is bothering you.

                My labrum tear was a 50% tear and the reason why I got the surgery wasn't because of the pain of the hip, it was my deep six rotators pulling on my pelvic floor causing pudendal neuralgia, so hopefully I'm one of those people that has a high tolerance for articular disorders.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                All I see is vaginas

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That is where I would describe where it is, it feels exactly what I imagine a small slap tear would be like. How do I fix it? It’s not like I can’t physically press I just can’t push it any more and therefore can’t grow. Also my max is way lower than it was because that side gives out. I don’t think I need extreme surgery or 400 meds but there’s definitely an issue they’re ignoring and going to continue to do so

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If it’s a slap you need surgery to go back to normal. I personally have a small slap and a torn supraspinatus with chronic subacromial bursitis. My colleagues have offered me operation a hundred times but I always refused, I am afraid they might touch my brachial plexus and I would lose my bread basically. I simply rested till the acute pain went away then found exercises that I can do pain free, I can press with a 15 degree incline and only go down till the equivalent of a floor press so paralell humerus to floor, I also do side laterals and seal rows. Anything else and I need some Tramadol to fall asleep from the pain. It is what it is you learn to work around it if you don’t want to/can’t afford the proper imaging /surgery

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've been getting trigger points in my teres muscle and I've had pain in my right rhomboid area in the past that was annoying to solve. My shoulder also cracks when I abduct it above my head or rotate it from front to back, does that sound like a slap tear?

                I also have some pain when laterally lifting heavy things kind of in my medial shoulder area, and when i get the teres muscle trigger points, the pain moves anteromedially to my anterior delt.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t want to fixate in your head the idea that you have X/Y lesion or not. Most clinical exams are high sensitivity and low specificity so we are sure shoulder is fucked il but I’m not going to bullshit you and say I’m almost sure it’s X. The thing is even if it is a slap tear, you trying to lift with it probably inflamed your bursa which then caused general periarticular inflammation which probably impinged your lower subscapular nerve which is causing the teres trigger points, you have an entire cascade of shoulder problems momentarily, fixing the cause will probably fix the rest but I have no idea which one is the root of the problem just from talking to you online. As an anon said up there, in your case just general strengthening and avoid overhead movements after a period of rest. Maybe find some ortho resident and give him 25 quid to inject your shoulder with diprofos to kickstart the antiinflamatory process.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re speaking to multiple dudes who are diving in to get info. I am slap tear dude this is another guy

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've been getting trigger points in my teres muscle and I've had pain in my right rhomboid area in the past that was annoying to solve. My shoulder also cracks when I abduct it above my head or rotate it from front to back, does that sound like a slap tear?

                I also have some pain when laterally lifting heavy things kind of in my medial shoulder area, and when i get the teres muscle trigger points, the pain moves anteromedially to my anterior delt.

                So now that I know you are a different person,

                I've been getting trigger points in my teres muscle and I've had pain in my right rhomboid area in the past that was annoying to solve. My shoulder also cracks when I abduct it above my head or rotate it from front to back, does that sound like a slap tear?

                I also have some pain when laterally lifting heavy things kind of in my medial shoulder area, and when i get the teres muscle trigger points, the pain moves anteromedially to my anterior delt.

                You most likely don’t have a slap tear, what you have sounds like simple subacromial impingement that developed into diffuse periarticular inflammation which led to subscapular nerve impingement. Physiotherapy is your best bet if after months of physio it still hurts then you are a fucking cromagnon with a hook acromion and your best bet is finding a surgeon to saw off the acromion hook.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you are a fucking cromagnon with a hook acromion

                I'm the dude that had the hip arthroscopy, the reason why my hip labrum tore was because I had an extremely large cam impingement, so that may actually be the problem.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can pick that shit up on an X-ray, find a day when you are free, go to the er and say you fell on your shoulder, they will X-ray it, ask the ortho if he sees a hook acromion out of curiosity as you read about it etc

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                My hip surgeon does shoulder surgery too, I'll just make an appointment for it. Won't even need to wait, they have an X-ray machine right at the office.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        see a physiotherapist who treats mainly sports injuries, he will just put you on a ton of different RC exercises but you need to know which of the tiny muscles is the culprit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > you need to know which of the tiny muscles is the culprit.

          No you don't, unspecific shoulder exercises have just as good outcomes as specific cuff exercises. OP just needs to gradually load his shoulder over time and expect some pain responses in the process; while ignoring gains goblin surgeons who demand he stops lifting unless he pays $3000000 for a surgery that has no better outcomes than placebo arthroscopy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >placebo arthroscopy
            It’s mostly shaving off excess sinovium, it’s not literally placebo but it’s more like polishing your car after a light scratch. Not a big deal but gets the job done.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >OP just needs to gradually load his shoulder over time
            That's exactly how you get rotator cuff problems in the first place.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If an mri picked up no shoulder lesions that means most probably your pain is referred form a cervical spine radiculopathy.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You could just as easily argue the opposite - there is no way could be designed so trollishly by pure chance alone.

        99% of the time no.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >doctors don’t have a fucking clue do they
        The terrifying truth is that most doctors are just midwits who were able to retain enough anatomy and diagnostic criteria to get through med school. If your issue doesn't tick enough of the right boxes to qualify as something a much smarter man wrote in a textbook they read 30 years ago, then as far as they are concerned it doesn't exist. This describes the vast majority of the people we trust to look at some test results and figure out whether or not we're dying. The doctors who are actually good at their job are out doing groundbreaking shit and are definitely not the guy looking at your shoulder.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why did you wait three weeks for a scan?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          because that’s how long it takes to get an ultrasound when you go to an NHS gp

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            so this is what it's like having """"""""""free""""""""" healthcare
            I would've been scanned by the end of the day, maybe the next day if it happened late.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              you think you’re getting a chance to have a blast at the country but I’m not the country mate I’m just someone who lives in it. I clearly wasn’t here bragging about it. The NHS was brilliant but it’s been being drained financially for decades obviously with the intent of making people vote to privatise it. You can’t brag for starting at our failing point. We’ll all be even soon enough. And you vill be happy. You already are apparently

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                mutt btfo

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They really don't
        >had a fucked shoulder from an old injury
        >slowly getting worse and being aggravated by lifting
        >have to stop lifting
        >go to doctor and explain problem
        >oh no problem anon I am literally the doctor for our countries international football team ( he was in fact)
        >So this would be my speciality
        >okay.jpg
        >do these couple of movements while I watch you from across the room
        >Looks fine to me

        10 years later finally fix that shit using bands and stretching with specific excercies like face pulls
        10 years man, fucking 10 years

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          what was your issue and what exercises did you do

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never found out what the issue was exactly, I suspect it was impingement + bad rouded shoulders
            Basically manifested as a constant subtle pain that got a lot worse with specific movements
            Twisting my wrist/ arm really aggravated it, which was annoying cos my job regularly required that exact movement
            As for what I think fixed it, doing banded face pulls
            Doing this thing :

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            Not rounding my shoulder when I do shrugs
            Really focussing on my posture and how I hold myslef when I lift
            Doing small body stretchs throughout the day, like pining my shoulders back, turning my chin down and flexing my chest up and down
            Could also be diet, taking more fosh oils and ashwaghanda

            It's still not 100% better, maybe 85-90, but man it is so so much better than what it was

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >has shit posture
              >developes pain
              >goes to surgeon
              >gets told he is fine and doesn’t need surgery
              >fixes posture
              >pain starts going away

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I din't want surgery, I wanted the doctor to tell me in his best professional opinion why I had shoulder pain, and what I could do about it, which he in fact did not
                He never even mentioned posture in fact

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah knife people know the knife. To be honest I’m guilty of this too, when people show up in the emergency room and they have shoulder pain I see their rounded shoulders and could do 10-12 clinical tests and give them a whole workout plan to fix their posture but I am just too tired to start explaining how and why and honestly I don’t care about their postural pain, I’m here to fix real problems like some dude walking around with his clavicle sticking out of his skin. I just give them pain meds for enough days calculating when that shit will run out so they come back when one of my colleagues who is a cunt is on call so they can be his problem lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Very common site of referred pain from the neck, there is also a McKenzie pdf on fixing your own shoulder. Do both regimens for the neck and the shoulder just to be sure.

                got any books to recommend on rehabbing the shoulder? or just some good books in general for maintaining proper physical health

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Treat your own rotator cuff by Jim Johnson is a pretty simple and solid one. As I said above the I like the McKenzie method books as well.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have spondye-boistheis l5-s1, so I'm a little biased against Mckenzie, mostly because of back extensions / cobra pose and every fucking pt prescribing them to me for the last 10 years.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh ok, there was a video with some band exercises routine developed by some Russian gymnastics trainer that was in the Reddit calesthenics board as one of the warm up options, that combined with the treat your own rotator cuff book should be enough

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >turns people into drug addicts because he can’t be bothered to explain posture to plebs
                Would watch a show with the shenanigans of a fitizin surgeon in a big hospital

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                do you know how retarded the average person is? Poor physical therapy compliance is probably the leading cause of surgical complications tbh.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >SHOULDER problem
          >FOOTball doctor
          You should have seen this coming

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

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      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        trust the science, chud

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >doctor
        You need to see a physiotherapist. They'll work out what's wrong and tell you how to fix it, in 30 mins of simple testing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fall while snowboarding in JANUARY
        >rotator cuff is STILL FUCKED UP 7 months later
        WHY WONT IT FUCKING HEAL REEEEE I HAVENT BENCHED OR DONE SHOULDER LIFTS FOR 4 MONTHS WAITING FOR IT TO GET BETTER

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          rest does not make it get better

          You need to back off on exercise that doesn't hurt it, then build up from there, very slowly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That was a bit hyperbolic I have been trying to exercise it but every time I think it’s getting better I push a little to hard and I’m back to square one.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        mate get an MRI done. Reading through your comments it sounds like you might have a posterior labral tear. I had the same pain and instability that you described and had to get surgery to fix it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Going to a regular internist for a muscle/ligament issue is like asking that local handyman who does good grout work to install an intricate breaker panel in your new house. Retards.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >have an injury
          >go to doctor
          >get put forward to whoever they put you forward to
          that’s literally a GPs job. I don’t believe that any time you’ve got a small injury you find the best specialist sports surgeon in your country. There’s so much fucking larp bullshit on this board lmao

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The shoulder is made for throwing rocks not for pushing heavy shit

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe instead of blaming god, you should stop being a weak bitch lmao

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >shit form
    >ego lifting
    >no this can't be my fault

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A machine that can avoid issues with 100% perfect operation but has an unintuitive control method that is easy to get wrong would still be considered poorly designed.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine how based the shoulder would be if Lucifer designed it, would probably be impervious to injury. The lightgiver cares about the human condition.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck this joint, always whining
    Contrary to popular belief, God made women out of mens shoulder and knees

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How come my fingers get torn off when i put my hand into a woodchipper|
    >this disproves intelligent design

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't do this, is it a shoulder problem? I feel the pain in my upper arm.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably you just need to stretch more and train your brachialis + biceps.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What prehab am I missing?

      I start most workouts with internal and external rotations, just 1 set of 15, on a cable machine (like ) then doing circles with light plates ( just 2.5kg, like

      https://i.imgur.com/xd0FBkN.jpg

      >saves your shoulders

      ) and finish each workout with deadhangs.
      I will also sometimes do over and backs with a band.
      Never injured my shoulders, my girdle seems strong, took a bunch of hard hits in go karting and rugby the other day and shoulders took the brunt, but seem to be completely fine. Delaying upper for another day just incase though.
      My brother almost guillotined himself on incline bench after doing 105kg ohp and 130kg bench back to back without issue. His shoulder just snapped. Spooky.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are impinging your rotator cuff with each and every single rep of those circles.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          gonna need some evidence on that 1.
          From what i've seen, elite olympic lifters & physiotherapists think it's good.
          Why should I believe an anon on IST

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am an elite Olympic lifter and physiotherapist but most importantly because my word is bond dopeboy

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Recently, I hurt my shoulder. I'm not sure how, but I first noticed something was wrong when I was doing my favorite exercise: Weighted rope pulldowns on my local rope viper machine at the gym. It felt like something was giving way. I thought it might be the angle of approach, so I tried again but the feeling worsened. Since then, I've had issues with pain and an inability to bear weight on my right side.

    I went to see a PA at my local sports medicine location yesterday. It's a very high-end facility. My Xrays look good, but other testing indicates that it might be the cartilage binding my bicep to my shoulder. If that's the case, it'll never heal. Steroids can hide the pain, but it won't heal. I fear it may be over for me... and my journey was only just beginning.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've got a pain running down from my shoulder through the tricep, a nerve type pain. It kind of feels like a dead arm and primarily comes on when I do lateral raises.

    I was talking to my physio last week, she's a respiratory physio that I use for medical issues, she said I just needed to power through it that it was natural. To be fair, this week my left arm which was primarily the sorer one for the last few weeks felt better and my right was getting more painful. I still don't believe her though, it sounded like bollocks.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like it’s your cervical spine that’s the problem, try the mckenzie method treat your own neck pdf

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cervical spine
        But it's a pain that's in between shoulders and tricep?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Very common site of referred pain from the neck, there is also a McKenzie pdf on fixing your own shoulder. Do both regimens for the neck and the shoulder just to be sure.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >spend a lifetime with underdeveloped tendons and muscles from little to no exercise
    >surprised when they can’t cope with the paradigm shift halfway into the bodies lifespan.
    Would be like putting a jet engine in a 1995 Saab with 100 thousand miles and be surprised when everything else in the car gets fucked over.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you must be new if you think experienced lifters don’t get shoulder problems

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You know this is disingenuous

        What you're saying is it's over if you didn't lift or exercise as a kid.

        No I’m saying you’ll never be as good as you could have been. Kids who do callisthenics stuff or gymnastics as kids are extremely more resilient to tendon issues.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They hated him because he told them the truth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What you're saying is it's over if you didn't lift or exercise as a kid.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have your arms closer together. Shoulder width
    Tilt backwards so it’s more like you’re leading with your chest and pulling to your chest instead of chin.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    okay, diagnose me:
    >problem likely occured when locking out a heavy push press ~3 months back
    >noticed OHP decreasing from 2pl8 1rm to barely 1.5pl8 over a few workouts (I'm cutting atm so this may be enhanced), and there is a "discomfort" in my left shoulder when nearing high weights
    >shoulder mobility still fully intact, problem/pain only sets in with barbell OHP (starting at about 60 kg) and DB ohp with my left shoulder
    I've now stopped the heavy OHP for a few workouts and haven't noticed any further pain during my other workouts. Focussing on lateral raises for shoulder workouts now, along with some mobility stuff and massaging the left shoulder on off days

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a squat plug related issue 100%, you aren’t wearing it when pressing aren’t you? the name is actually a misnomer, it’s not just for squats but for any lift above 60kg.

      Also this is completely unrelated to your issue but you probably overworked something, pressing 2pl8 isn’t exactly what the shoulder was made for, the surface contact area between the humerus and scapula is no bigger than a penny, and you have like how many kg of force flowing through it, it’s like ronnnie Coleman said, everybody want to lift this heavy ass weight, nobody want to deal with this heavy ass pain. Stop listening to internet memes that say lifting heavy is le healthy for aging and joints, lifting heavy will fuck up 9/10 people even if they autistically focus on form.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what do i do for winged scapula? i get bad neck pain when i ohp and a pinch in my tricep while doing dips.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      stick your chest out like a motherfucker and report back

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >saves your shoulders

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I breathe through my food hole, that's enough to disprove intelligent design.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just do hangs bro. Fixed my shoulder pain right up.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >push ups or bench press hurts as fuck
    >overhead press feels great
    The fuck is their problem bros

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