Do pull-ups and chin-ups workout the same muscles or different ones? Should I only do one of them or both?
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Do pull-ups and chin-ups workout the same muscles or different ones? Should I only do one of them or both?
Mostly the same but chin ups are more bicep dominant and pull ups more lat dominant
Then the only difference is one works certain muscles out more than the other, but both work out the same muscles?
Yes
Muscles dont have on and off switches, moron.
As an example,
Pull-Ups 40% lat 60% bicep
Chin-Ups 65% lat 35% Bicep
>Pull-Ups 40% lat 60% bicep
>Chin-Ups 65% lat 35% Bicep
Where has this "pullups work biceps more than chinups" meme came from?
Gym bro anecdotes. Any calisthenics minimalist that only relies on vertical pulls for arms can confirm that biceps will remain underdeveloped in comparison to other muscles regardless of the grip variation unless you incorporate some kind of curls. This is not as apparent to people who hit the gym regularly because they likely have been incorporating curls since day one
It's general anatomy. If you pronate your hand your bicep switches off.
Absolutely, I'm just trying to break the notion that chin ups are an arm dominant movement simply because your biceps are active.
You've switched them up. Pull-ups work back more. The simple reasoning is that chinups incorporate more arm movement than pull-ups. That's why the biceps do a larger % of work with chinups.
"Bodybuilder pull-ups" are done with an arched back, so that the bar is directly above your nipples, touching your pecs, not just "under the chin", because that is the form that uses relatively the most back, with this pulling motion.
Chinups are more similar to dumbbell curls.
This is the same principle as wider stance pushups work the chest more, while narrow ones focus more on the triceps.
You should do both, but if you're built assimmetrically, you might be able to do more with one, than the other. Try to alternate them on training days.
They don't incorporate more arm movement but more elbow movement, or shoulder extension, and I'll let you guess which muscle is responsible for it. The "bodybuilder pull ups" you described cut the range of motion for the lats in favor of the upper back muscles.
>incorporate more arm movement but more elbow movement
>Elbow flexion
>Guess which is responsible for that
Biceps. They have the role of pulling your arm from an extended position into a flexed one, and a bit of shoulder rotation. That's what pullups (palms facing away from you) use less of, in comparison to chinups (having your palms face you).
And yes, those "bodybuilder pull-ups" do give more focus to your upper back muscles compared to lats. Still, they give the most attention to back muscles, resulting in the nost growth there.
I asked which muscles are responsible for shoulder extension which is what drives your elbows towards the ground during chin ups but sure, switch things up as you like. Flexors of the arm play a very minor role during any vertical pull in comparison with the lats.
> I asked
...where?
But yeah, arm flexors play a minor role, but play more of it in chinups and less in pull-ups.
So why deliberately cripple yourself and turn the biceps off if you have to flex the arm at the top of the movement regardless? If anything, this makes the pull up both more arm dominant and less stimulatory when it comes to both the biceps and lats.
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underhand grip/chin ups definately feel like they're hitting my lats more, maybe it's the lower lats... I usually don't do them because it can be awkward to grab most bars @ the gym that way.
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Also do both even when you do curls. The movement pattern is different.
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Not so much the lats but the lower traps/rhomboids are hit harder in a pull up
Chin-ups are not bicep "dominant"
More bicep biased than pull ups would be a more correct way to put it
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I guess that was his case as well, but you're right, bias is better than dominant here.
Yes, but said muscles are in more or less advantageous positions depending on your grip.
This is what everybody says but it's completely wrong. Chinups do put your biceps at an advantage but they're actually better for your lats because of this. With pullups your arms will fail before the lats get any work.
>This is what everybody says but it's completely wrong. Chinups do put your biceps at an advantage but they're actually better for your lats because of this. With pullups your arms will fail before the lats get any work.
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Did you get to feel important and superior to everyone?
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do both
you should do pull ups and curls. no point in doing chin ups
Idk man. I don't do them because most bars are awkward for me.
But I was doing lat pulldown with palm in grip and really felt it in my lats. It was an aha moment because I was doing other lat work and those felt the best.
They work the exact same muscles EXCEPT chin ups recruit your biceps. So with a pull up you´ll have to use your lats and forearms that bit more to get the same amount of reps. Personally, I would just do chin ups and mix it up with wide grip pull ups, that´s literally all you need for vertical pulling.
Chinups feel very unnatural with a wide grip, with pullups you can go as wide as you want and generally have a greater range of motion.
>Chinups feel very unnatural with a wide grip
you should not do chinups with wide grip, that's bad form
I usually do on set of each handle:
>Wide pull ups
>Pull ups
>Wide parallel grip
>Chin ups
>Narrow parallel grip
Not that I believe it builds different muscles, just to spice things up.
Narrow chin ups done with a hollow body provide a better stretch and more range of motion for the lats, and the biceps do some negligible work at the top to close off the distance between you and the bar, which in the case of a pull up would be done by other elbow flexors (brachialis, brachioradialis). Whether you pull supinated or pronated doesn't really matter because your arms will never give out before your lats do, which is why I personally prefer chin ups over pull ups because of the aforementioned reasons as well as the ability to grind out one or two more reps due to the involvement of the biceps. This, again, doesn't make it an arm dominant movement, just allows you to get more time under tension on the lats.
ITT people mix up what is a pull up and what is a chin up.
if you're a beginner, the biggest difference you will notice is comfort. It really doesn't matter, chin ups do use your biceps a little bit more, enough that you will feel it, but both with still be primarily lat exercises.
best advice, do whichever one feels more comfortable. if they both feel comfortable, do one for a few months. once you get sick of doing one, and its not giving you the same pumps and stimulation you think it used to, then switch to the other.
Chin ups are mostly biceps and lats.
Pull ups also do those but do the brachialis and traps more than chip ups do
>traps
why do people spout this nonsense about pull ups every time?
traps function is literally the opposite of pull ups
Traps are responsible for depressing and retracting the shoulders
So you bring your shoulders up and forward during a pull up?
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Pullups - brachioradialis
Chinups - biceps
Biceos are stronger hence pullups are harder.
Do chinups until you can do multiple sets of ten (full rom - sternum to bar, full ext at bottom). Then start incroporating some sets of pullups. But keep doing the chins until you can do pullups in the hypertrophy ranges.
Pretty good advice aside from the whole multiple sets thing. If pullups are more difficult it means your biceps are weak. Doing chinups means you can actually fully contract them wake them up so to speak, fix your imbalance. Alternatively you could just always do chinups since they're better and use reverse ez bar curls for your brachioradialis.
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Weighted chins > pull-ups.
Chin-ups are just better. That shit about "pull-ups work lats harder" is just a myth. Chin-ups are the same exact movement but your arms are in a stronger position so the overall training effect is even greater. Then some people like neutral grip too since it feels better on their wrists so that also helps your lats work harder. Do one or the other and skip pull-ups unless you're training for a muscle up.
>bu-but do both
Literally no reason. Most people have some form of rowing in their routine too so there's even less reason to use a pull-up.
I can do way more chinups than pullups. Like 10-12 in a row and sometimes slowly pausing at the top, I do it with a neutral grip since it's the most comfortable.
But when doing pullups I can barely bang 8 in a row if it's the third or fourth set, does that mean my back is weak? I do feel my biceps way more on chinups, especially when it's that last 2-3 reps and you're grinding to the top.
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>chin ups
back and biceps
>pull ups
back and forearms
Other way around, moron. Pull-ups work biceps more than chinups.
No they don't. Chinups work both the back and the biceps better.
Are you just pretending to be moronic?
try both and do the one that feels better.
I like chin ups way better because they just feel more natural. I feel like can pull with my back better, even if pull ups supposedly force you to use less arms/biceps. and that's with a narrower grip than I'd use on pull ups too
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Different ĺor rather by very different amounts) , pull ups really work your lats and build you mud-upper back strength.
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Do pullups of varying grip orientation (pronated, supinated, neutral) and grip widths. You don't have to do just one variation, you can (and should) mix it up if you get bored of one.
just finished 5x10 Pull ups and Chin ups
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Pull-ups hit traps/rhomboids more, chin-ups hit lats/biceps more. When people say pull-ups hit lats more they are just wrong.
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