you can definitely tell, when i got into college there was this guy that had big arms and a chest big enough to make women jealous, about a month after that i started lifting, lo and behold, i met him at the gym.
Yes but only the couple months after cutting and I had an actual jawline, the mires where unreal, but I'm bulking 80% of the year so back to being an incel
I used to be very skinny fat so getting IST has helped me realize I'm not even that ugly. I have a slightly more positive mindset and I groom myself more frequently (moisturizing, shaving etc.). I've noticed girls act much cuter around me - I want to frick every single one of them.
I work in retail and like half the people that work with me are kurdish grannies. Old women are so based.
>what is your routine?
Ngl I bulked pretty hard and just chased strength for a little while. This might not be for you because I wasn't afraid of becoming regular fat as, at the time, I was a hardcore neet of like 2 years. I'm not sure if this is the best way to get IST though as my friend did the complete opposite: he went from skinny fat to anorexic and then slowly built himself back up.
the experts say just recomp if you're a beginner, because it's actually possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time IF YOU'RE A NOVICE.
Because the other options are you can either become an actual fatass or a holocaust survivor for a few months.
I got fit late forties and lost a load of weight. Balding and not particularly tall, I get checked out more than at any time since I was 20 and by a range of ages. I went through a phase only being visible to ladies of a certain age, thankfully that's stopped.
I do get nasty looks off guys my own age and more belligerence off younger blokes, which is a pain in the backside.
I refuse to believe there's a 50-60+ anon that browses 4chinz, let alone IST. If true, then that's based. Keep mogging your peers and the youngens! You're an aspiration to keep fit my whole life.
50s. I let fitness slip for years due to health issues and work. I looked around and noticed others getting old and losing a lot of their energy, started mixing with some older guys that had got fit in various ways (gym, track, triathlon, soccer) and the path was obvious.
51. I lost 65 pounds over the last 18 months, and started lifting almost a year ago. I'm not mogging my peers yet, but I am getting there and making steady progress.
Why am I on these Armenian yak shaving forum? It reminds me of the pre-social media internet when everyone could post freely.
>more belligerence off younger blokes
Yup me too. Getting more nasty looks from the 25-30 crowd. Interesting phenomenon. I guess that's how you know you hit the next level, when dudes half your age view you as a threat, ie some chick they liked was checking you out. Good work.
Not really but more confidence will indirectly make you more attractive to girls. I do notice girls looking at my body though which gives me even more confidence.
>It’s funny how most regular women think the same as a downie. Groupthink morons. Most women confirmed to be literally moronic.
In all fairness, most regular men think the same shit as IST.
Yes it does. Don't believe anyone who says otherwise. If you are a skinny or fat guy then you get muscular and athletic looking, you will completely notice the difference. Try it one day. It's not how you imagine where you just stand there and get all the girls, but you will notice a lot more attention, getting cuter girls to like you and just an easier time in general, and more stares in public.
yes ever since i cut my excess weight in the past 6 months women make eye contact and say things to me unprompted, this never happened before in my life since i was overweight since childhood. also i got a gf. Ive been lifting for 4 years but started from fat so it was never noticeable until i cut , that's when female attention started
Gf notice my ass gains and gropes/slaps it every chance she gets. Also, she tries to get me to eat more and gets dumbfounded that I can still look decently fit despite pigging out. Had to rigorously out-train my diet though.
How can I possibly live without female approval, anon? I don't think I can take another minute of life without constantly being validated by women, who as we all know are excellent judges of character and worth. I just feel so bad not constantly having my ego stroked by females, can you teach me your secrets so that I may accomplish the most important goal in life, which is female approval?
Give me a break you fricking homosexual.
Only if you're attractive. In my case, women smile way more, and get really fricking fidgety around me because they can't help their hormones. It becomes so obvious to the point where I call them out on it just to see them squirm more.
gays need not apply - I can feel your thousand yard wiener stares fricking stares.
Girls smile more and stare when I wear tighter clothes or shorter sleeves, I've also noted that girls start small talk with me when I wear polos.
I only do this when I'm out of laundry though so most of the time when I wear looser t shirts or hoodies it's the same as before.
I hate how these clothes feel and I don't want someone who only wants me for my muscles though so I refuse to engage with someone who I meet wearing more form fitting clothes
Women were nicer to me when i was a fatso. Now im a bit fitter and women i already know act more autistic and the random women, like cashiers and shit eye frick me but when they talk to me the speak to me like they hate me. Zoomettes touch their hair and look at the ground when i walk past them on the streets. Some female coworkers use excuses to be around me but never actually make contact with me. My goal is being a greek god and rejecting in the worst way possible all women i could. Now it only works with fat single mothers, but i guess thats a good start, as those kind of women are completely repulsive and they need to know they are.
>Zoomettes touch their hair and look at the ground when i walk past them on the streets
I know this post is a shitpost, but isn't that a bad sign if a woman touches her hair and looks down next to you?
Ive always though it was a good sign, as women touch their hair as reflex and a way to spread pheromones / imitate women in movies when they are in love. If they look at the ground they are intimidated to look at you. I dont mean they look at me and then at the ground woth a face of disgust or terror, they do it with a shy smile. I hate women so much its fricking unreal, if they want to suck my wiener why dont they just offer it?
i needa redo my pics on the sexo apps because i shaved and i think my old ones make me look worse than i look irl because i attract a heftier crowd. how do you guys approach the shirtless/flexo pic without looking like a dork taking a pic in their bathroom mirror?
When I was lifting regularly, it was a ridiculous improvement, was getting openly ogled by female coworkers. Anyone who tells you women don't care about this is lying to you
I'm not "fit" per se but I started running years ago, lost a bunch of weight and I've been hit on multiple times in public since when out with family and was later told I was rude for not responding. Thing is, in my 34 years of living I've never been hit on so I never really see it. Other than that I've also been told I look 18 which is pretty neat I guess, if I lifted I'd probably be a solid 8 in looks but I'm far too much of a social moron to do anything with it nor do I particularly care to. If any of this seemed like humble bragging I'd like to counter that by saying I'm a virgin, never driven a car and never worked a job in my life so things overall are p bad and getting worse by the day.
In the before pic, it was much easier to get really young, really emotionally unstable girls.
The pic on the right, which is maybe a week old, I still get hit up occasionally by that type of girl when they are lonely or fresh out of a breakup, which happens more often than you might expect. But now I also get checked out by far more women in their mid-20s or early 30s. But that's just it. I get checked out a lot. Overall I think I get less play. It could just be that I'm way busier these days and don't put as much effort into seeking out that attention.
What opposite sex lol? I havent talked to a woman in years aside from cashiers.
My office is staffed with post menopausal women and men. I have home gym so i cant even met young ladies during workout
Where a modern man is supposed to met women his age?
Once you are out of school/university and dont have female acquittances or girlfriend its over
Yes. It's dangerous if you're a sperg to begin with. Almost took my best friends girl without even knowing she was interested (they were on-again-off-again and she cornered me on a bed because I stupidly thought she needed consoling.) Another girl asked me to meet her down at a thing where a bunch of her friends were helping her paint her dads new shop. I got there at the time she asked but the painting was practically done and she asked me to just chill for a few minutes and that she didn't need my help. Super awkward, then when she finally was done and came over to me she asked me if I wanted to go up to her place. I had a girl at the time and politely declined (the girl I was dating then is now my wife.)
I was totally blindsided about the second one because I'd put myself at like a 6 and she is a solid 8. Opened my eyes to how attractive I could be if I had just put in the effort.
If she hates your guts she is a fricking loser who categorically does not matter, anon.
Sorry if it's your mom or your oneitis or whatever, but seriously, anyone who hates you can gtfo, there's no reason not to believe that.
It's literally only guys who tell me I look jacked, call me swole/fit.
Had a couple female coworkers mock me tho since my lats naturally flare...LMAO Also the older women at my work find an excuse to touch my back/shoulders.
A lot more, I was invisible before.
There's a middle stage where I only got attention when I wore tight clothing, but that also attracts bad, mocking attention from dyels.
At some point I started having shoulders, pecs and Width that were clearly visible even under thick, baggy zoomer tshirts, combined with veiny arms from being low bodyfat, and now literally all I get are good mires, all the time.
>Tight clothing >"he cute" >"pff, what a gay bet he's not even that strong"
>loose clothing >"he cute" >[silent resignation, i have been mogt, it is over]
I had way much pussy when I was a 70kg skelly with no muscle than now that I hit 1/2/3/4 at 87kg and its driving me fricking insane, sometimes I unironically think of giving it all up
I lost 60 lbs believing that maybe women will like me when I’m thin. I looked like a different person and I thought I looked good but girls online still told me I’m like a 3/10 and girls in real life ignored me still.
Now I’m in the process of gaining it all back cause I’m very depressed and tired 24/7 and I have no motivation or self control.
went from incel to regular dude in terms of sex life which is a massive upgrade
I got a gf tho so I'm not quite sure how big the impact is. besides sucking some breasts here and there I've been loyal and sabotaged my opportunities with other women but I'm sure I could frick hot chicks decently often and randoms on a whim. sometimes I'll test the waters with some girls and it's so easy now, kind of feel guilty having to back the frick off before it gets real. like wasting my life or sth but I know it's worth it
Nope, just the same sex.
heh
No, you wear a shirt in public so they can't tell. Getting fit is only good for confidence in fights and being longer lasting in bed.
Just wrong. And your don't even have to be buff for it to show.
you can definitely tell, when i got into college there was this guy that had big arms and a chest big enough to make women jealous, about a month after that i started lifting, lo and behold, i met him at the gym.
Yes; night and day difference, but to be fair i am 6'4 and apparently attractive.
Is this your first time larping? You forgot to mention your big dick and million dollar salary
Yes but only the couple months after cutting and I had an actual jawline, the mires where unreal, but I'm bulking 80% of the year so back to being an incel
i get groped by old women a lot
Literally my dream. I don't believe you though.
it's real
t. got fit and started getting pecs punched and arms groped at work
It happens.
And no, you ain't gonna like it.
I used to be very skinny fat so getting IST has helped me realize I'm not even that ugly. I have a slightly more positive mindset and I groom myself more frequently (moisturizing, shaving etc.). I've noticed girls act much cuter around me - I want to frick every single one of them.
I work in retail and like half the people that work with me are kurdish grannies. Old women are so based.
>I used to be very skinny fat
what is your routine? i can't seem to get rid of the fricking belly. maybe i have a disease or something.
>what is your routine?
Ngl I bulked pretty hard and just chased strength for a little while. This might not be for you because I wasn't afraid of becoming regular fat as, at the time, I was a hardcore neet of like 2 years. I'm not sure if this is the best way to get IST though as my friend did the complete opposite: he went from skinny fat to anorexic and then slowly built himself back up.
the experts say just recomp if you're a beginner, because it's actually possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time IF YOU'RE A NOVICE.
Because the other options are you can either become an actual fatass or a holocaust survivor for a few months.
You know you've made it when you start getting sexually assaulted by GILFS
I got fit late forties and lost a load of weight. Balding and not particularly tall, I get checked out more than at any time since I was 20 and by a range of ages. I went through a phase only being visible to ladies of a certain age, thankfully that's stopped.
I do get nasty looks off guys my own age and more belligerence off younger blokes, which is a pain in the backside.
I refuse to believe there's a 50-60+ anon that browses 4chinz, let alone IST. If true, then that's based. Keep mogging your peers and the youngens! You're an aspiration to keep fit my whole life.
50s. I let fitness slip for years due to health issues and work. I looked around and noticed others getting old and losing a lot of their energy, started mixing with some older guys that had got fit in various ways (gym, track, triathlon, soccer) and the path was obvious.
I regret the lost years.
51. I lost 65 pounds over the last 18 months, and started lifting almost a year ago. I'm not mogging my peers yet, but I am getting there and making steady progress.
Why am I on these Armenian yak shaving forum? It reminds me of the pre-social media internet when everyone could post freely.
you're fricking moronic, Yeah it's believable to doubt females browsing here but oldgays are a staple of this place. You're a fricking moronic zoomer
>more belligerence off younger blokes
Yup me too. Getting more nasty looks from the 25-30 crowd. Interesting phenomenon. I guess that's how you know you hit the next level, when dudes half your age view you as a threat, ie some chick they liked was checking you out. Good work.
Not really but more confidence will indirectly make you more attractive to girls. I do notice girls looking at my body though which gives me even more confidence.
No, because the ISTer I got the balder I got.
Oh my, I even get rejected by a downie. I'm ngmi...
She can do better than you, loser.
It’s funny how most regular women think the same as a downie. Groupthink morons. Most women confirmed to be literally moronic.
>It’s funny how most regular women think the same as a downie. Groupthink morons. Most women confirmed to be literally moronic.
In all fairness, most regular men think the same shit as IST.
>blue eyes
>white
>tall
it is so over for white men in America.
5'9 is probably tall to her already.
Wut
Yes it does. Don't believe anyone who says otherwise. If you are a skinny or fat guy then you get muscular and athletic looking, you will completely notice the difference. Try it one day. It's not how you imagine where you just stand there and get all the girls, but you will notice a lot more attention, getting cuter girls to like you and just an easier time in general, and more stares in public.
yes ever since i cut my excess weight in the past 6 months women make eye contact and say things to me unprompted, this never happened before in my life since i was overweight since childhood. also i got a gf. Ive been lifting for 4 years but started from fat so it was never noticeable until i cut , that's when female attention started
No. I've always been tall and handsome but a sperg, so it changed very little.
Same here did you ever figure it out
No. I've just accepted my fate as a Chadcel now. I don't really care about women all that much so it doesn't bother me too much.
>chadcel
This website was a mistake
>tfw born 3/10 virginlite mogcel
its over
Gf notice my ass gains and gropes/slaps it every chance she gets. Also, she tries to get me to eat more and gets dumbfounded that I can still look decently fit despite pigging out. Had to rigorously out-train my diet though.
It's crazy how girls act so cold and mean and then when you get one she treats you like a demigod
all the validation incels are missing out on
How can I possibly live without female approval, anon? I don't think I can take another minute of life without constantly being validated by women, who as we all know are excellent judges of character and worth. I just feel so bad not constantly having my ego stroked by females, can you teach me your secrets so that I may accomplish the most important goal in life, which is female approval?
Give me a break you fricking homosexual.
I only got attention when I was leaner, or was wearing clothes that were tight around my ass.
Lean is key....
Only if you're attractive. In my case, women smile way more, and get really fricking fidgety around me because they can't help their hormones. It becomes so obvious to the point where I call them out on it just to see them squirm more.
gays need not apply - I can feel your thousand yard wiener stares fricking stares.
Maybe I'm lucky, but unless you have some weird features, getting lean and muscular will make you way more attractive
Let me tell you something…
8 years ago back in 2015 I was a completely different “man”
I was bluepilled, obese libertarian who simped for women.
Now after learning the truth and fixing my shitty genetics, I’m doing pretty well in life.
>fix my genetics
did you take a trip to chernobyl or something?
Girls smile more and stare when I wear tighter clothes or shorter sleeves, I've also noted that girls start small talk with me when I wear polos.
I only do this when I'm out of laundry though so most of the time when I wear looser t shirts or hoodies it's the same as before.
I hate how these clothes feel and I don't want someone who only wants me for my muscles though so I refuse to engage with someone who I meet wearing more form fitting clothes
Women were nicer to me when i was a fatso. Now im a bit fitter and women i already know act more autistic and the random women, like cashiers and shit eye frick me but when they talk to me the speak to me like they hate me. Zoomettes touch their hair and look at the ground when i walk past them on the streets. Some female coworkers use excuses to be around me but never actually make contact with me. My goal is being a greek god and rejecting in the worst way possible all women i could. Now it only works with fat single mothers, but i guess thats a good start, as those kind of women are completely repulsive and they need to know they are.
>Zoomettes touch their hair and look at the ground when i walk past them on the streets
I know this post is a shitpost, but isn't that a bad sign if a woman touches her hair and looks down next to you?
Ive always though it was a good sign, as women touch their hair as reflex and a way to spread pheromones / imitate women in movies when they are in love. If they look at the ground they are intimidated to look at you. I dont mean they look at me and then at the ground woth a face of disgust or terror, they do it with a shy smile. I hate women so much its fricking unreal, if they want to suck my wiener why dont they just offer it?
They don't just offer it for the same reason you don't approach them fear of rejection and embarassment
Looking away is the problem not looking down
i needa redo my pics on the sexo apps because i shaved and i think my old ones make me look worse than i look irl because i attract a heftier crowd. how do you guys approach the shirtless/flexo pic without looking like a dork taking a pic in their bathroom mirror?
Beach photo, bonus points if its with people who are noticably less swole than you
Yeah, duh, Next question.
When I was lifting regularly, it was a ridiculous improvement, was getting openly ogled by female coworkers. Anyone who tells you women don't care about this is lying to you
So he made his scull wider? He gained like 2 kg, changes the lense and the lughting. He didn't get fit.
I'm not "fit" per se but I started running years ago, lost a bunch of weight and I've been hit on multiple times in public since when out with family and was later told I was rude for not responding. Thing is, in my 34 years of living I've never been hit on so I never really see it. Other than that I've also been told I look 18 which is pretty neat I guess, if I lifted I'd probably be a solid 8 in looks but I'm far too much of a social moron to do anything with it nor do I particularly care to. If any of this seemed like humble bragging I'd like to counter that by saying I'm a virgin, never driven a car and never worked a job in my life so things overall are p bad and getting worse by the day.
In the before pic, it was much easier to get really young, really emotionally unstable girls.
The pic on the right, which is maybe a week old, I still get hit up occasionally by that type of girl when they are lonely or fresh out of a breakup, which happens more often than you might expect. But now I also get checked out by far more women in their mid-20s or early 30s. But that's just it. I get checked out a lot. Overall I think I get less play. It could just be that I'm way busier these days and don't put as much effort into seeking out that attention.
bruh, you look fat and like you dont lift at all in the right pic. you looked much fitter in left
Meh I am pretty big now yeah but hardly fat
Why do you have a womb tattoo'd on your chest?
From Auschwitz to Miami mode.
8 years with same wombat, I just don't interact with others outside of mere cordial scenarios
I've never been complimented or admired in my life
I'm mirin you bro
I've been, but only by men, not in a gay way though, young men just seem to think I'm cool for some fricked up reason
What opposite sex lol? I havent talked to a woman in years aside from cashiers.
My office is staffed with post menopausal women and men. I have home gym so i cant even met young ladies during workout
Where a modern man is supposed to met women his age?
Once you are out of school/university and dont have female acquittances or girlfriend its over
Probably, but if your personality is dull and you lack confidence being IST isn't going to fix it. Being IST is a boost, not a cure.
Stay inside, look down in public and have poor hygiene. Women will instantly flock towards you.
Yes
Yes. It's dangerous if you're a sperg to begin with. Almost took my best friends girl without even knowing she was interested (they were on-again-off-again and she cornered me on a bed because I stupidly thought she needed consoling.) Another girl asked me to meet her down at a thing where a bunch of her friends were helping her paint her dads new shop. I got there at the time she asked but the painting was practically done and she asked me to just chill for a few minutes and that she didn't need my help. Super awkward, then when she finally was done and came over to me she asked me if I wanted to go up to her place. I had a girl at the time and politely declined (the girl I was dating then is now my wife.)
I was totally blindsided about the second one because I'd put myself at like a 6 and she is a solid 8. Opened my eyes to how attractive I could be if I had just put in the effort.
People staring scare me
>used to get lots of attention from older women
>get big
>now get attention from girls who are way too young
The one that matters still hates my guts
you need to get so IST that she inevitably ends up mirin, you can do this anon
If she hates your guts she is a fricking loser who categorically does not matter, anon.
Sorry if it's your mom or your oneitis or whatever, but seriously, anyone who hates you can gtfo, there's no reason not to believe that.
>bulk hard to get to 2pl8 bench
>older women start giving signals
>cut down to 13%-14% bf
>much more attention from all kinds of women
Trying to get to 12%, but goddamn. It’s not easy after a certain point.
you didn't need to bulk to fat frick mode to bench 2 plates, holy
Maybe not, but I had a hard time gaining on bench without eating.
People are different.
Okay now it’s time to bulk and hit 3pl8s. Leave humanity behind
It's literally only guys who tell me I look jacked, call me swole/fit.
Had a couple female coworkers mock me tho since my lats naturally flare...LMAO Also the older women at my work find an excuse to touch my back/shoulders.
yes
but I'd argue way people treat you, including ofc men, has been way more humbling
A lot more, I was invisible before.
There's a middle stage where I only got attention when I wore tight clothing, but that also attracts bad, mocking attention from dyels.
At some point I started having shoulders, pecs and Width that were clearly visible even under thick, baggy zoomer tshirts, combined with veiny arms from being low bodyfat, and now literally all I get are good mires, all the time.
>Tight clothing
>"he cute"
>"pff, what a gay bet he's not even that strong"
>loose clothing
>"he cute"
>[silent resignation, i have been mogt, it is over]
Feels fricking GŰD bros
Goals.
I'm still getting out of a cold, but you've given me enough motivation to hit the gym today anon
Good lad, throw an extra 3 reps in your first set for me and we'll call it even.
Making it
Only if you're already tall and good looking.
Yes girls would start being more touchy
Yes definitely OP, especially if you wear fitted clothes.
yes, all the time
i'm handsome and confident tho
I had way much pussy when I was a 70kg skelly with no muscle than now that I hit 1/2/3/4 at 87kg and its driving me fricking insane, sometimes I unironically think of giving it all up
Yes I went from 0 to a few looks so my results are infinitely better
I lost 60 lbs believing that maybe women will like me when I’m thin. I looked like a different person and I thought I looked good but girls online still told me I’m like a 3/10 and girls in real life ignored me still.
Now I’m in the process of gaining it all back cause I’m very depressed and tired 24/7 and I have no motivation or self control.
FWIW I had the same surprisingly poor results online but in real life I get way more looks from women now. Keep at it anon
went from incel to regular dude in terms of sex life which is a massive upgrade
I got a gf tho so I'm not quite sure how big the impact is. besides sucking some breasts here and there I've been loyal and sabotaged my opportunities with other women but I'm sure I could frick hot chicks decently often and randoms on a whim. sometimes I'll test the waters with some girls and it's so easy now, kind of feel guilty having to back the frick off before it gets real. like wasting my life or sth but I know it's worth it