50% of people that train and eat properly will put on 10lbs of actual muscle in their first year of training and then there are outliers with people who will put on 15 or even 20lbs and on the other end of the spectrum there are people who will only put on 5lbs and, very rarely, complete non-responders. So yes, there are people who train properly and make shitty gains.
Because they just assume that if it worked for them, it must work for everyone else, and that everyone who doesn't achieve what they did simply didn't work as hard. It's more like they're stroking their own ego and thinking that they've been rewarded for their hard work, rather than accepting that they may have had it easier than others. They want to take all the credit for themselves.
Well, it's not that simple. Considering the fact that the majority of people can probably make the same gains as them, it is not far-fetched to think that if someone is not making similar gains there is something wrong with the training or diet. It's just that genetic potential can vary a lot so sometimes there are people who train hard and eat right and only make shitty gains. That's just rarer than people not eating enough or not training with the right intensity.
So it's a lack of information about potential genetic differences between individuals? An underestimation? More generally, as soon as a problem concerns a minority (lack of progress, slowness etc.) it is underestimated and considered to be their fault?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but the crux of the matter is that it is often actually their fault. So when you encounter someone who is making poor gains, it's more likely their fault rather than shitty genetics, but it's still entirely possible that it is not their fault.
10 months ago
Anonymous
So before judging someone one should try to investigate their case deeper
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think the right approach is to not base expectations on your own experience and get an overview of what people are actually doing and only then it's possible to adjust the right parameters to potentially help them grow better. Eat more, lift harder is advice that usually works but it's lazy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, people keep telling me to eat more when I show my body whereas I'm already 73kg 175cm which is no longer skinny. They say so because 1) they tend to think "no progress = not enough calory intake" and 2) they tend to think I do not look 73kg
I have a buddy who does power lifting. I'm pretty sure he does everything right but in the end he just looks fat. His BMI is in the low 30s. I helped him to calc his bf% and it was about 25-26%.
I'm 100% sure he's gonna look shredded once he manages to cut down weight.
Well, powerlifting is not the same as bodybuilding, you are just looking for strength, not aesthetics, so you can look fat if you do no want to bother with diet
if by progress you mean progress towards their goals specifically and not some arbitrary determination of what "progress" is, and by training properly you mean DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES then no, never knew anyone like that
You caught me there,I dont really know that.
What I know is that most people dont make gains at all.
Gain makers are around 5% of gym goers maybe 10% Max if we only count motivated young male lifters.
No because they don't exist.
Yes they do
you mean natty lifters? Yeah none of them are making progress. and you are one of them
Yes among natties
50% of people that train and eat properly will put on 10lbs of actual muscle in their first year of training and then there are outliers with people who will put on 15 or even 20lbs and on the other end of the spectrum there are people who will only put on 5lbs and, very rarely, complete non-responders. So yes, there are people who train properly and make shitty gains.
you cannot make gains natty lifting. its simply impossible. there are too many built in mechanisms to prevent muscle gains as a natty
just myostatin alone will prevent any muscle gains
So why people keep saying that "one can get a good body in less than 2 years" if we actually do not have the same potential?
Because they just assume that if it worked for them, it must work for everyone else, and that everyone who doesn't achieve what they did simply didn't work as hard. It's more like they're stroking their own ego and thinking that they've been rewarded for their hard work, rather than accepting that they may have had it easier than others. They want to take all the credit for themselves.
So they are just hugely biased?
Well, it's not that simple. Considering the fact that the majority of people can probably make the same gains as them, it is not far-fetched to think that if someone is not making similar gains there is something wrong with the training or diet. It's just that genetic potential can vary a lot so sometimes there are people who train hard and eat right and only make shitty gains. That's just rarer than people not eating enough or not training with the right intensity.
So it's a lack of information about potential genetic differences between individuals? An underestimation? More generally, as soon as a problem concerns a minority (lack of progress, slowness etc.) it is underestimated and considered to be their fault?
Sure, but the crux of the matter is that it is often actually their fault. So when you encounter someone who is making poor gains, it's more likely their fault rather than shitty genetics, but it's still entirely possible that it is not their fault.
So before judging someone one should try to investigate their case deeper
I think the right approach is to not base expectations on your own experience and get an overview of what people are actually doing and only then it's possible to adjust the right parameters to potentially help them grow better. Eat more, lift harder is advice that usually works but it's lazy.
Yeah, people keep telling me to eat more when I show my body whereas I'm already 73kg 175cm which is no longer skinny. They say so because 1) they tend to think "no progress = not enough calory intake" and 2) they tend to think I do not look 73kg
Training isn't enough to make progress
I have a buddy who does power lifting. I'm pretty sure he does everything right but in the end he just looks fat. His BMI is in the low 30s. I helped him to calc his bf% and it was about 25-26%.
I'm 100% sure he's gonna look shredded once he manages to cut down weight.
Well, powerlifting is not the same as bodybuilding, you are just looking for strength, not aesthetics, so you can look fat if you do no want to bother with diet
He says he's body building but in reality it's mostly lifting the big 3 and trying to increase his numbers on those (using straps, powerbelt, etc).
if by progress you mean progress towards their goals specifically and not some arbitrary determination of what "progress" is, and by training properly you mean DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES then no, never knew anyone like that
My self
I know a lot of people who think they're training properly and don't make any progress because they chase volume without any intensity increases
What is "intensity" for you?
You caught me there,I dont really know that.
What I know is that most people dont make gains at all.
Gain makers are around 5% of gym goers maybe 10% Max if we only count motivated young male lifters.