Doctor told me I got high blood pressure and is putting me on metropolol succinate.
5'11" 175lb 35yo. work out regularly. Drink regularly but wtf. I didn't think I was treating my body poorly...
Anyone here dealing with high blood pressure or done stuff that helped get it normal? I guess light and routine workout ain't enough now...
What's your BP dumb frick
Have you tried changing your oil? Have you tried penis?
Cut down on caffeine and get 8 hours of rest each night. OTOH I've increased my intake because it's easier way to lose weight when you're being active due to higher hr. Been losing around two pounds a week.
>Cut down on caffeine
drinking addict cope. I have 4 cups a day and my BP is 120/80.
Fat and or drunk. Put the booze down you addict.
OP please describe the following:
> Cardio routine (type, duration, frequency)
> How many portions of fruit/vegetables you consume in the average day
> How often you get fast food/take out
Metoprolol is a horrible drug. I was put on metoprolol at a healthy body weight with normal blood glucose. Metoprolol interferes with fat and sugar metabolism. It's also not a first line treatment for hypertension. Whenever I tell doctors that I was Circa 2005 put on metoprolol they're all like what why did anyone do that? Metoprolol doesn't work by dilating vessels like a ace inhibitor, it works by reducing the heart's contractility. I would ask why you're being put on metoprolol instead of starting with an Ace inhibitor or something like that. Also what is your blood pressure? But even if you're thin and healthy, many people in my family have been diagnosed with hypertension in their 30s even though they do things like run marathons. Sometimes it's just genetic or it can be that you're not eating properly. The body requires various minerals and sufficient protein to operate properly.
I was able to substantially reduce the amount of metoprolol I took by adding an Ace inhibitor and doing a lot of cardio. Basically I would do the elliptical at the gym 5 days a week for an hour and a half. And then I would hike on the weekends.
Also, your BMI is just bordering on overweight. Of course if you're absolutely shredded and it's mostly muscled and this doesn't apply, but it wouldn't hurt you to get down to a lower bmi. Even a little bit of visceral fat can impact blood pressure. Also get your fasting insulin measured and fasting glucose and A1C if you're on the medical treadmill anyway. Testosterone couldn't hurt either.
Why would you go to a doctor after the last 3 years? They are morons, don't take what they give you
You're sort of right. Doctors are morons in a very particular way as the last 3 years showed. Dr moron just does what her flowchart she is memorized tells her to do in a given situation. That's the most you can expect. Then you also have Dr moron who will do things like you go in with a hurt ankle and they say oh well just ice it. Then you go for a second opinion who orders the ultrasound that should have been ordered by the flowchart and you have a torn tendon. Things like blood pressure I mean I would suspect if he's being put on metoprolol his blood pressure isn't 140 over 85 or something like that. One thing to do is to try lifestyle things for 3 to 6 months unless your blood pressure is in the range where you're going to have a stroke and die. Most people who exercise more and who eliminate alcohol and eat better will lower their blood pressure. But some won't. As I say I have family members who are hypertensive even though they're thin and do things like go for runs for fun. And then I have family members who are dough balls who just go for 10 to 15 minute walks a day who have normal blood pressure. And then I have one family member who was diabetic for decades who got off diabetes medications through fasting. The doctor never recommended that. So the doctor can help you do certain things but you have to remember the doctor doesn't do everything for you which is the idea that a lot of Boomers have, you go to the doctor and they make you healthy. This is sort of true if you got like an STD and a sex party in 1972 but for chronic conditions like diabetes hypertension and so forth the doctor will really just give you medications to try to bring certain numbers back into line. If you actually want to correct the condition that tends to require effort on your part and the doctor might not even tell you what it should be.
this anon is right, doctors are morons who at best harmlessly treat the symptoms without touching the underlying cause, or at worse just frick your shit up.
Best you can do it try out different diets for months and get prescribed blood tests to see the results. I recommend paleo or reading Ray Peat, but you're free to try whetever. Just don't take drugs without researching them first on pubmed or other databases, your GP sure as frick don't know anything about any of the drugs he give you other than what he was told they do.
>your GP sure as frick don't know anything about any of the drugs he give you other than what he was told they do.
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>hbp
Lmap couldn't be me homosexual Black person.
100/60 crew ww@??
What the other poster said, why are they giving you a beta blocker instead of an ACE inhibitor. What was your BP? If it's some shit like 135/90 I'd say lol no thanks.
>High blood pressure
Made up israelite nonsense to charge you for meds for the next 40 years. How could your blood be pressurized in your body, idiot?
> Made up israelite nonsense to charge you for meds for the next 40 years. How could your blood be pressurized in your body, idiot?
Clearly a troll but just in case it's not, blood pressure is something you can easily demonstrate because the blood pressure cuff operates in a mechanical way. So when you put the blood pressure cuff on basically it's tightened up until the flow is pretty much stopped and then you release some of that pressure and then you get an idea of the two numbers systolic and diastolic. One pressure is on the stroke that's the systolic and the diastolic is on the release of the stroke. Weather taking blood pressure medication actually improves clinical outcomes is something that can be debated. If your blood pressure is 140 over 90 there's probably not much to be gained for medication, especially not that couldn't be gained from diet and exercise. If your blood pressure is so high you might have a stroke well that's another story.
>Mr rosenberg please tell me what you mean by high blood pressure
>Sorry anon it cant be easily demonstrated just take these meds made by a comoany that pays me kicksbacks and make sure to pay my receptionist 5000$ USD on the way out
>>Mr rosenberg please tell me what you mean by high blood pressure
Unless you're suggesting that the blood pressure cuff doesn't actually measure the pressure of blood being pumped through the body or that blood doesn't actually pump through the body, then what high blood pressure means is that there are statistical relations between people with one set of pressures for example normal tension which is about 120 over 80 and other populations that have either hypertension or hypotension. For example if blood pressure goes too low you pass out. If blood pressure goes too high then there can be damaged to retinas you can have strokes it increases risk for cardiovascular disease. Now these are statistical relations. It used to be thought that as people age blood pressure just goes up. But when you gather large amounts of data on this you find that it doesn't go up in everyone and people who are able to maintain normal blood pressure have better outcomes concerning disease states. So that's what's meant by high blood pressure, a blood pressure that's high enough that there are statistical associations between it and disease states. Where it becomes really interesting is looking at whether the Pharmaceuticals that bring the blood pressure down actually do as much as they say. And for people who are mildly hypertensive there's not much evidence that they reduce disease burden. But for people who are severely hypertensive they can substantially reduce risk of things like strokes.
Explain to me how blood can overpressure in your body when there is a constant amount of it. You have 2 sentences. Ill wait.
When your heart strokes, it increases the pressure by pushing the blood. Are you one of these Americans who's never taken a biology class? This really sounds like you have a problem understanding what blood pressure is, not that it can be high enough to lead to adverse outcomes.
The drug that the Op's doctor wanted to put him on, metoprolol, works by reducing the force with which the heart strokes. Other drugs will cause vasodilation which means there's less pressure just like having a constant stroke in a pipe with a diameter of 1 cm is greater than the same stroke in a pipe with a diameter of 2 cm.
That doesnt explain it moron. Try again. Your heart is a pump, pumps cant increase the pressure in a liquid system unless more liquid is being pumped in.
It certainly does. I think this is more a difficulty and you understanding that blood pressure exists rather than the high blood pressure can lead to disease. So to be clear you're suggesting there is no such thing as blood pressure? What is the blood pressure cuff measure then if not the pressure?
"Systolic pressure reflects the force produced by the heart when it pumps blood out to the body, while diastolic blood pressure (the bottom number) is the pressure in your blood vessels when the heart is at rest."
This is just what I said. The blood pressure cuff is literally a mechanical device it's not some strange digital device so it's quite obvious that there are two different pressures one when the heart is stroking and one in between strokes. If this is what you're arguing with a blood pressure cuff will prove you're wrong. Now if your argument is more like well 140 over 90 160 over 110, there's no evidence this leads to disease, it doesn't directly it's a statistical relation where the higher the pressure goes the more likely there is stroke rupture of aneurysms etc etc
Propranalol and Ramipril dropped my BP from near 180/140 down to 100/60. My aorta dialation reduced 0.5cm (echo measurement).
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OP, how sure are you that you actually have high blood pressure? I consistently had super high BP readings at the doctor's office for the past 5 years, even the ladies at the front desk who took my BP were shocked how high it was, finally he told me if I don't get it in check in 6 months I'd have to go on meds.
Ended up going to a cardiologist for a second opinion, he told me to get a cuff, and take measurements at the same time every day, while sitting, proper posture, etc.
Turns out I do NOT have high blood pressure, just had "white coat syndrome", which basically means your internals get all anxious because you're at a doctor's office and your measurements are being taken, so your BP rises. My readings were like 30 points lower at home, at rest, at any time of the day than they were whenever I'd take readings at the doctor's office or even at places like Walmart and other pharmacies that have those free blood pressure readers.
My fricking family doctor didn't even tell me to do this, dunno why I didn't think to try it myself but I guess I just blindly trusted him and for the past 5 years I've been worried about something I didn't even have to worry about lol
>My fricking family doctor didn't even tell me to do this, dunno why I didn't think to try it myself but I guess I just blindly trusted him and for the past 5 years I've been worried about something I didn't even have to worry about lol
Some places will diagnose you with hypertension by doing a 24-hour blood pressure cuff monitor, which is a hellish experience. You wear a blood pressure cuff for 24 hours and every half hour it takes a pressure reading. That can give a better picture of your blood pressure. But you're quite right some people's pressure increases in the doctor's office or in a pharmacy. If you can bring the pressure down just by sitting calmly for 5 minutes which you might not do at a pharmacy or in the doctor's office, then it could be white coat syndrome. A second opinion is always a good thing to get especially if the first opinion is from a general practitioner and not a specialist.
One issue to be wary of with long term hypertension is distortion of the aorta, which can lead to an aneurysm. Can't remember which visco-elastic model blood vessels follow (will be vaguely familiar to anyone who has enjoyed an engineering materials course) but your aorta will distort / grow over time. Local thinning leads to a risk of rupture, which most often fatal.
Mine is a bit wider than it should be (docs did their job and caught it) but I have lost two acquaintances to ruptured aortas.
My BP and clotting problems are hereditary. Cheers, dad (RIP).
>Mine is a bit wider than it should be (docs did their job and caught it) but I have lost two acquaintances to ruptured aortas.
My brother died of an aortic aneurysm at 26 years old. Now he'd been living a very poor life up to that point, so we're not entirely sure what caused it, were there any particular tests that your doctors did?
Can't fully remember now (10 years or so back). I was testing out a BP cuff for a friend who thought that he was getting garbage results (high). I tested the cuff and measured even higher. Had a chat with the doc who hauled me in for a face-to-face and he looked rather alarmed at the readings he got, so I was put on Propranolol immediately. This had too-small an effect so he upped the dose and referred me to a specialist.
The tests I remember are static, 48 hour and treadmill ECG, echocardiogram, MRI, full blood panel and pissing into a bottle for a pituitary test after taking a tablet that did who-knows what. The ECG found the distortion and I had some weirdness with the treadmill ECG - later suspected to be due to some antidepressants I was on (stopped those PDQ)
No conclusive cause found but father and his mother both had BP and clotting issues so probably mostly hereditary - I have improved my general lifestyle since then.
Sorry - the echo found the distortion.
European doctor here.
We don't put anyone on meds here unless they have serious hypertension (grade 2, so at least 160/100 ) or unless they have at least 140/90 but with some serious cardiac risk factors. And betablockers are not first line anyway.
If you don't fall in these categories, you can still turn around this with lifestyle and diet. Best things you can do is cut the salt intake and do a lot of zone 2 cardio. Godspeed anon
>We don't put anyone on meds here unless they have serious hypertension (grade 2, so at least 160/100 ) or unless they have at least 140/90 but with some serious cardiac risk factors. And betablockers are not first line anyway.
Do this also mean that when you medicate them you don't medicate them back down to 120 over 80?
Less caffeine.
Also, if your *really* don't want to your doc to hassle you about blood pressure you can take a couple of big glasses chamomile and hibiscus tea every day for a week before your checkup and your blood pressure will be lower than your baseline.
I'm 35 and I measure my own pressure pretty regularly and it's *technically* stage 1 hypertension at 133/89, but I can get it down to merely "elevated" through a combination of cutting out caffeine and herbal tea on the days leading up the the checkup.