Does IST take creatine? What is it supposed to do? Is it worth it for someone trying to get bigger and stronger?
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Does IST take creatine? What is it supposed to do? Is it worth it for someone trying to get bigger and stronger?
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yes it's worth it, yes it'll give you tremendous water bloat the entire time
Why would anyone want bloat?
only if you preload, just take 3-5mg a day and be patient.
You will go bald. Don't fall for this meme
>t. Balding 20 year old after taking creatine everyday
>actually believes he would still have hair
bruh you must have some shit hair genetics
there was one study done on 18-26 year old males that showed the possibility of triggering balding. It wasn't even what the study was looking at. The results also never duplicated across hundreds of studies on creatine. But hairlets still promote the "creatine causes balding" to cope with shit genetics
>nobody in my family balding
>take creatine
>hair thinned by 35%
shit makes you go bald
that is because he started strength training, which causes hair loss due to increased androgens and stress
the hair would have thinned just as much without the creatine involved
probably he would have lost the same amount of hair but ended up less big without the creatine
he needs a DHT blocker, not drop creatine
Me too, even started growing back now that I take less
my brother is 36, eating creatine since he was 16 and still ain't balding.
what now chuderino?
>does nothing
you just had shit hair genetics
brother the effect on dht is so minimal that shit is not going to make you bald. lol @ acting like creatine gives you gear tier endo effects
>the effect on dht is so minimal that shit is not going to make you bald
50% increase is minimal? That's not far from what hair loss prevention drugs reduce your DHT by. If you're already neutering yourself with fin then maybe you're offsetting it.
Creatine shills will not post a SINGLE STUDY showing that it doesn't have any effect on DHT levels. We've had these threads a thousand times and it's always the same
>muh rugby study is unreliable and unrecreatable
>ok so show one study that proves the opposite
>crickets
We know for a FACT that DHT causes hair loss in people with MPB genetics. If creatine was so safe there would be at least ONE FRICKING STUDY proving it has no effect on DHT levels. Give me ONE STUDY.
I want to be proven wrong
PLEASE
Creatine is literally a wondersup if it has zero effect on the hairline of people with MPB but instead of doing studies we just get people shilling it. Creatine sales would skyrocket if they finally put the DHT argument to rest, but they haven't. Why is that? Very suspicious they're not even TRYING to debunk it.
>you just have le bad genetics lol
Yes, as do most people. Plenty of people have MPB genetics and if creatine increases DHT then it increases the rate of hairloss. End of story, unless you have a study to prove it doesn't increase DHT, which you don't.
Post study or post hairline.
refer to
It's literally a reply to that post you monumental homosexual. Is this the power of creatine?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>50% increase is minimal?
you didnt address the point at all moron, read it again
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7871530/
>The vast majority of speculation regarding the relationship between creatine supplementation and hair loss/baldness stems from a single study by van der Merwe et al. where college-aged male rugby players who supplemented with creatine [...] experienced an increase in serum dihydrotestosterone (DHT) concentrations over time.
>the results of van der Merwe et al. have not been replicated, and that intense resistance exercise itself can cause increases in these androgenic hormones.
>in the van der Merwe et al. study, no increase in total testosterone was found in the 16 males who completed the study. Free testosterone was not measured. Moreover, the increase in DHT and the DHT: testosterone ratio remained well within normal clinical limits. Furthermore, baseline [...], DHT was 23% lower in the creatine group (0.98 nmol/L) compared to the placebo group (1.26 nmol/L). Thus the small increase in DHT in the creatine group [...], in combination with a small decrease in the placebo DHT response [...] explains the “statistically significant” increase in DHT noted by van der Merwe et al.
>12 other studies have investigated the effects of creatine supplementation [...] on testosterone. Two studies reported small, physiologically insignificant increases in total testosterone after six and seven days of supplementation, while the remaining ten studies reported no change in testosterone concentrations. In five of these studies, free testosterone, which the body uses to produce DHT, was also measured and no increases were found.
>In summary, the current body of evidence does not indicate that creatine supplementation increases total testosterone, free testosterone, DHT or causes hair loss/baldness.
He wont respond to facts dont bother
Finally, someone actually gives an arugment other than "no it doesnt lol". Thank you. I'll look into this link and these "12 other studies" if it actually does link to these.
Frick you Black person, I am unbiased. I WANT to take creatine. I literally asked for contradictory evidence about DHT and you just shit and pissed yourself without ever actually saying or proving anything. Now I bet you're gonna act all high and mighty riding on someone else's posts.
You're a moronic gorilla Black person and don't ever (you) me again.
i have only heard this bald thing on IST
they sell creatine in irl store fronts how can it make you bald
If ur bald at 20 it has nothing to do with creatine and everything to do with your genetics
Its supposed to help you recover faster between sets. It provides extra resources that is immediately available for ATP production after a set. Also many studies have shown it increases IQ so there is that too.
>Does IST take creatine?
Sometimes. Not religiously because it chugs through my kidneys too slowly.
>What is it supposed to do?
Increases the retention of water in skeletal muscle to increase muscle size and improve stamina by buffering lactic acid. It’s good for the brain too.
>Is it worth it for someone trying to get bigger and stronger?
Yes. Keep in mind that you get creatine from eating meat and there is a point at which you are saturated and cannot absorb more. The recommended dosage is usually too much for most people and just gets pissed out and wasted. Some studies suggest that taking creatine with sugar will improve absorption but it’s probably situational.
You don't even get enough creatine through red meat for it's effect to be significant. iirc red meat basically has to be all you're eating for a day to even meet the 5g scoop you can just mix into a cup of water.
I put it in my coffee every morning
>the bad boy of the tiger world
It just makes you bloated and you have to keep taking, otherwise you deflate. Also can give you kidney problems and baldness.
Yes. I take it everyday. It's worth it, it gives you an extra 10% in reps at the gym. With more reps, comes more gains. Also, your muscles hold onto more water.
Why would someone take this shit if once you stop taking it, you lose all benefits? Makes no fricking sense.
You keep the gains, son... Lol why would you stop taking it? It's essentially a vitamin we no longer get that's present in raw meat
This is a shit take. It isnt just from raw meat its from ALL meat. Also, why would you want to stay on something for the rest of your life? "Oh yeah Im just gonna spend 50 bucks every couple months on another supplement that wont really do anything, but also I have to take it FOREVER". Go frick yourself trying to shill that shit to people on here.
Stop being poor
Not an argument you giant homosexual.
if you want a more serious answer if you are serious about your training and dont literally make wageslave dollars it's a negligible expense. Happy now?
Kek it's definitely destroyed when you cook the meat. Also, a little under 2 months is $25. I just bought this.
Also I love that you think 'big creatine' trolls a Tibetan yak herding forum to entice customers one at a time for what is arguably the cheapest supplement on the planet
>one time purchase
Are you fricking dense? Youre supposed to take it the rest of your life. How is that a one time purchase? God you are so fricking dumb it hurts
I didn't say one time purchase. I said convincing customers one at a time. Re-read my post.
Assuming the anons shilling are American, they’ll fricking promote shit for free just out of pride and association. Look at what die hard homosexuals they are over politics and sports. They’ll fight for anything that has a brand and they “believe it.” It’s corporate sucking for everything
You keep taking it moron and you keep the small gain benefits you had from when you were taking it
You don't magically lose all benefits once you stop taking it.
You will still keep any gains you've made but lose some water-weight. Plenty of people cycle on/off for various reasons.
Speak to your doctor and do a piss test after saturation phase to make sure your liver is not weak and check urea/creatinine levels.
Not him but I am strength training currently trying to gain a lot of weight to build a base then I want to cut and get a 6 pack. Is creatine for me? If it puts on water weight, thats what covers abs right? Wouldnt that be an issue?
The water retention is in your muscles, making them look larger and fuller.
It slowly goes away by itself but not fully a couple weeks after saturation.
Just take maintenance dosage of 3-5g 30min before your workout and you're good.
It will have no affect on visible abs, that's all on your BF %
If anything it will make your abs look more pronounced if you have the low enough bodyfat.
You have to take this before your workout? I was just gonna use it in my daily shake that is randomly taken in the day after ai lift
it really doesnt matter what time of the day you take it. As a routine thing I find its good to choose a certain time in your day and stick to it so you dont forget
It doesn't matter, your creatine levels won't drop back to normal (before you started supplementing) once fully saturated for 4-6 weeks.
However it replenishes what you will use during a workout allowing you to get 1-2 reps more which is worth it long-term IMO.
Oh cool I didnt realize that. So take it everyday for atleast 4-6 weeks? Do you cycle off?
You don't have to if you are healthy with no liver problems.
Reasons people cycle vary from saving a couple bucks to cutting weight in order to make a class for olympic lifts/mma etc.
Study (pic related) found no difference in overall health in healthy athletes on long-term creatine supplementation and those without.
I personally do not cycle.
Ah thank you bro. I have no insurance or doctor so idk how my liver is but I assume there is no problem with it. Should be fine for me too
>why would someone workout if when you die you lose all benefits?
More like you notice more soreness and less energy at the gym, I stopped taking it this week and stress from job loss causing my clenching at night went from minor aches to can’t move my head pain, went back on creatine and the muscle pain is a third it was off of it. Great for hard workouts, without it I can not bench as much. Adds like 5 lbs and noticeable bigger pumps where people will say “youve gotten so strong” only worth taking if you work out hard at least two or three times a week
Lmao, easiest to tell if someone is dyel is to ask what creatine does and they answer with the generic bloat meme answer.
It does a few things, one of them is making you bloated.
essential supplement
CREATINE WILL MAKE YOU GO BALD
Prove it
Creatine just makes it easier for your muscles to retain water, thereby allowing them to fatigue less quickly. It's not magic, but it's also not really a significant difference--especially if you're not going to go all out and actually use the extra umph your muscles have on creatine.
I used to but the shit doubled in price so I dropped it. It helps you stay hydrated under load and gives you a boost to max alcohol tolerance.
Do you have to take this every day? I know people cycle it
Only good if u don't eat red meat on weekly basis
1 month into creatine and when I move my fingers through my hair my hand comes back with 1-4 strands of hair.
Should I stop?
You were genetically going bald anyway, creatine did nothing
cope baldy.
Excuse me? I'm not bald at all LOL, thats that poor moron.
I'm gonna travel internationally next week, is it worth trying to bring creatine with me? I don't want to load again when I get back but I also am not gonna be lifting while I'm there.
Sperg, who gives a shit
I am autistic, so what? Will it matter or not?
Make sure it's in its original container and you can take it with you... TSA doesn't like unmarked white powders for obvious reasons.
Sealed too if possibly
Yeah like anyone will think that fat autistic kid has coke in his bag
just buy some from a fitness store in your destination
>I also am not gonna be lifting while I'm there.
ngmi
creatine is a nutrient found in red meat. you would have to eat stupid amounts of red meat to get enough creatine, so we supplement. it adds water weight, but the water is in ur muscles
I take it and will keep taking it because it works I can feel a difference when it’s not in me and the water in my muscle makes me looks juicy
So you like looking fake? Okay.
I used to take creatine but it fricks up my stomach.
It does work wonders in the gym tho
Of course creatine is worth it! Get a container of monohydrate and mix it with your preworkout/protein shakes. You need to saturate your body with it the first week you take it. This is about 20g per day for a full week. Then after that week is over your body is saturated with it and now you may go down to 5g per day for as long as you want to take it. You also need to drink plenty of water when you're on this stuff to maximize it's effect.
How it works is it draws water into your muscles. This does a couple of things, namely make your muscles appear larger without even doing anything. As well as increasing your performance on all of your lifts by 5-20%. Heavier weights build muscle quicker so it makes sense to do it. One nice side effect is it improves working memory. So it's also good for your brain.
Here are some myths followed by some facts about creatine
>myth: Causes baldness
fact: There are papers that attempt to link creatine to baldness but the reality is the people in these studies who did have thinning hair already had bad hair genetics. If thick heads of hair run in your family creatine can't do shit.
>myth: will make you bloated
fact: This is a poor assumption made by people who don't even take creatine. Creatine does increase water retention but the water is being retained in your muscles, hence why people taking creatine look better when on it.
>Who should not take creatine?
There is a small percentage of people who are actually not responsive at all to creatine because their body just happens to produce enough normally. These people make up ~10 percent of the population off the top of my head.
Recommend, added about 10lbs to my orm bench in a week. Maybe placebo but just makes you feel stronger.
>mfw Im already bald and about start taking taking creatine
You're leaving gains on the table if you aren't taking creatine
I can't believe there are natties on this board that don't take creatine
The excess bloat goes away after a week or so and you're left with a slight increase in water retention which reduces risk of injury, makes you look bigger and it also increases your metabolism and helps you poop and fills gaps in your electrolytes
It's really a miracle product.
And if it actually the cause of hair loss, cycling off it will reverse it
There's absolutely no downside to creatine
>fills gaps in your electrolytes
Could you further explain this?
So in theory it will aid with hangovers too? I thought it creatine was bad for your liver too.
Cant reverse it if your hairline goes back 2 inches.
Just take citrulline malate, same negligible benefit of maybe doing 1 more rep per set but only has to be taken before working out and without being bloated and bald.
The downside to citrulline is it will trigger herpes / hpv outbrakes
The real life hack: buy 5l of Glycerol, the stuff is actually cheap in its pure liquid form. Way more cost effective than either Creatine or Citrulline.
And just use like 15ml of it pre workout, it give you a similar pump to citrulline.
I stack creatine daily, take higher dose plus Glycerol on workout days, and Citrulline only on workout days.
If I feel like it I take some Glycerol on non workout days, but not Citrulline because that gives me herpes tingles.
1l is like 1.3 gallons or get a gallon of it
for strength training pumps you don`t need to take that much of it
5l is ~1.3 gallons i mean
1 gallon 3.785 liters
>The downside to citrulline is it will trigger herpes / hpv outbrakes
I'm not a diseased degenerate so that doesn't apply to me or most people.
Statistically you probably do have HPV, it's just asymptomatic in most males.
Unless you are a wizard in other case respekt.
I don't lift. I do martial arts every day though. Does it make sense for me to take creatine?
I remember taking a lot when I weight lifted years ago and really feeling the advantage.
I bought creatine pills recently and have been taking half its recommended amount.
>pills
What is wrong with Creatine pills?
It's for pussies. So I guess perfect for someone like you.
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YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME A REAL EXPLANATION WITH SOURCES!!!! YOU CAN"T CALL ME A PUSSSSYYYYYY NNNOOO
Hes right
yea
Took it a while (year or so) and then stopped again. I feel like the only effect on me was water storage in my tissue which gave the appearance of quick gains. On the other hand it kept me from looking more defined at around 14% BF where I feel comfortable.
IMO it's not worth it.
Should add that I enjoy a very varied and healthy diet, although I don't eat a lot of meat.
>all these people shilling against creatine and saying itll make you bald
whatever, creatines already expensive, more for me
>Does IST take creatine?
Yes. No improvement in fitness, but I'm norwoodmaxxing.
what?
Creatine increases DHT. High levels of DHT can shrink your hair follicles and shorten the hair growth cycle. This is common knowledge and you would know this if you weren't suffering from moronation.
Is this a cope post for having really bad hair genetics?
Finally someone with a non single digit iq, mfers act like the idea it causes balding is some conspiracy when it’s pretty simple cause and effect
I am not balding at all, my brothers are not balding at all, my dad and grandfathers did not bald and I still noticed a non zero amount of hair loss/thinning on creatine. I take it but only because idgaf if I go bald and I have god hair genetics anyways, you mfers should probably avoid if balding runs in your family
My experience:
>more energy to lift more often
>look bigger
>more bloated
>literally gave me chest hair when I had none before
So I like it, I think it counteracts the estrogen in plastics and stuff that afflict us.
UNIRONICALLY i lost tons of size when i came off it. i was 80kg back in february 23 and now im 76kg and look flat as shit. creatine makes you look dense and full. i got scared about the hair memes tho although my hair is fine
No funny shit this caused my hairline to recede permanently.. Can't believe this is even legal to sell to the uninformed
Do you enjoy trolling online that much?
That's what killed Zyzz.
Creatine also killed joesthetics
my preworkout comes with 3.4g per scoop so i get it from that
>Start taking creatine in 20s
>Still taking creatine in 30s
>Still have full head of hair
i swear its only frickin dyels and nerds who say some stupid shit about the most basic supplement out there. even frickin fruits of all things