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does a squat count if its not ass to grass?
does a squat count if it’s not ass to grass?
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Sure as long as it goes beyond parallel. But if your really worried about the depth of your squat wear weightlifting shoes like the girl in your pic
but I go ass to grass in converse
Then there is nothing to worry about
I do the same.
beware of butt wink. fricked my back
story?
>beware of butt wink. fricked my back
How to avoid butt wink??
raised heels with weightlifting shoes or good ankle mobility
>squat too deep, too heavy with shit ankle mobility
>back compensates
>back fugged regards fugg baggman
herniated disc?
I've been going ass to grass in converse for years. Recently bought weightlifting shoes and it's so much fricking better. Do yourself a favour and get some.
*Inverse
Illiterate feck.
I wear shoes like that but my mobility is so shit I can still barely break parallel (oldgay obviously)
Yoga man it really helps
try sitting in a deep squat for 5-10 min a day (can be spread throughout the day, you just need to accumulate that much total time), it's the most specific way to work on your squat mobility and it works pretty well for most people. push your knees out if your adductors seem tight and push your knees as far over your toes as possible if your ankles are tight.
does squatting on your forefoot with raised heels help for ankle mobility? can't get that deep if i keep my heels on the ground unless i take a super wide stance
Yeah elevating your heels reduces the ankle mobility requirements. Actually it also reduces hip mobility requirements (at least certain aspects of it) slightly too because you don't have to go through as much hip flexion in order to hit depth. I'm built to squat and I have very good squat mobility but I still elevate my heels anyway, it just makes the movement better tbh
Also fyi if you're talking about actually going on your toes instead of elevating your heels with an object (weightlifting shoes/squat wedges/slant board/standing on plates) then that specifically I don't recommend since it makes the movement much less stable and less consistent. If you're using any of the aforementioned methods to elevate your heels instead then yeah do that
That being said doing squats while going onto your toes is something that people do, it's just used for a different purpose than a typical barbell squat so if you're looking for those benefits then you can still do them, just don't put them in the same training slot as a typical barbell squat since it's not supposed to replace it.
yea that's what I meant, just for the purpose of trying to improve ankle mobility and not during weightlifting
In that case that's actually going to do the opposite, elevating your heels reduces the mobility requirements, which means you aren't challenging your mobility which means it isn't going to improve. You're going to want to keep your heels down in that case, and instead try to push your knees as far forward as you can get them to go, since that will actually challenge your ankle mobility, which should hopefully cause it to improve over time.
>weightlifting shoes
...I always thought those were a meme like the squat plug. Are they actually a thing?
They just provide a stable elevated surface so you can hit that atg depth without as much ankle mobility.
You can get the same effect by placing weights under your heel.
>plate under foot
Doing this is really uncomfortable compared to actual Oly shoes
The strapping your foot tight into your shoe is quite nice for getting an extra sense of connection/stability.
Girl in OP pic is literally wearing weightlifting shoes
Sorry moron, but your half squat doesn't count. Ass to grass or stay out of the squat rack.
your body proportions are going to determine how low you can go
but for most manlets ya touch grass
what is considered manlet size? Less than 6 ft?
He means the length of your legs and torso
less than 6'11 is a manlet
>t. doesn't know that he can modify the movement
There are dudes with long ass femurs who squat ATG just fine, literally just elevate your heels and you're good. Also play around with your stance, if you turn your toes out more you can generally be a bit more upright since your knees will travel a bit more diagonally from the perspective of your torso
If you have to elevate your heels to squat ATG due to your proportions, then it isn't a natural movement for you - you should be working with your body, not against it.
cope
placing hundreds of pounds perfectly balanced on your back and sitting back down and up isn't natural
No shit moron, but if you have to elevate your heels to go ATG even with zero weight, then why train the weighted version?
Someone post the video for this moron.
I can go ATG fine barefoot, but why the frick would I not use olympic weightlifting shoes to make it much more comfy for weighted squats? And how the frick is it "unnatural" if you need them? You are changing your mechanics with the incline, whatever position you can comfortably reach on that incline is "natural".
What the frick logic is this lol
If a bodyweight squat is a natural position (which it is), then a weighted squat isn't unnatural. And you can handle high load precisely because it's so centered
Stretch your achilles and stop being a b***h. go ATG with light weights and learn to actually use your quads pussy
I'm not the best squatter in the world, but even I can rep 315 and leave distinct ball prints on the floor at 180 lbs
kek bad reading comprehension
the point is that what's "natural" or not is a stupid fricking argument
My reading comprehension isn't bad, you're just a moron. Your body is capable of doing it, so doing it with weight on top is literally natural, that's why muscles are programmed to grow when you do it. Let me guess you're not white with that IQ
>still doesn't understand that the point isn't that you should or shouldn't squat, but that any argument involving what's "natural" or not in lifting is fricking stupid
homie I wrote it out for you explicitly in the last post and you still double down on mongloidism, why
shut the frick up white boy homie b***h. throw some hands pussy.
>being this much of a dipshit Black person.
Get a job Pookie.
gonna cry ?
Nah. I'm employed and my dick doesn't look like a turd.
>Stretch your achilles
doesn't work like that
it does tho
It is natural. I ancestors have been doing it for thousands of years. Men would carry resources on their backs for possible hundreds of miles as they marched off to war. You know what isn't natural? Being a whiny little b***h who's scared of fricking squats. You're a homosexual and should kys.
>natural movement
If the movement was unnatural, your body wouldn't be able to perform it at all, regardless of the things in your environment. ATG squats are therefore entirely natural, heel elevation or no heel elevation. Are you acting like slanted surfaces don't exist in nature? Hills are a thing you know lmao
Anon I'm pretty sure your body would be "able to perform" a 90 degree bend of any joint in the "wrong" direction... Naturalism is NEVER an argument.
are you moronic. anon just said your body will determine how low you can go and you go on to explain how if your longer you'll need to adjust. no shit, thats what anon is saying, you can't expect a 7,2 monster to grass with thr same form as a 5,2 women
No shit, the point is that it's still possible to squat ATG if you modify the movement. I never said that everyone could squat ATG without heel elevation lmao. The other guy makes it out to be that "if your femurs are too long ur outta luck, you can't squat ATG!" when you literally can if you make a tiny modification to the movement
>Anon I'm pretty sure your body would be "able to perform" a 90 degree bend of any joint in the "wrong" direction...
This would literally break the joint so yes, those actually are unnatural movements. Try again
Holy frick you're an actual moron, you know that weightlifting shoes actually shift more of the load to your quads, right? I literally became WEAKER when I started using them because my quads had to take more of the load, and since my quads were proportionally weaker than my posterior chain I had to drop some weight off the bar (not much, but it was noticeable). If anything squatting barefoot is the real cope since I would be able to lift more weight that way
sexo
>breaks your back
nothing personnel
it would count if she had no shorts and my wiener was right below, if you catch my drift
As long as your butthole doesn't wink.
>nose not facing the cunning while your hands catch the ass each rep
ngmi
That's a 3/4ths squat, not a true squat.
Pic related is proper depth. If you put water on the floor you should get your butthole wet with each rep, this is how you train.
Forgot my real squat pic.
.
Winking butthole right there.
Is this a well timed photo of a failed lift or a prolevel movement?
I have to imagine it is a failed lift. The advantage of getting that low for the catch (less need to move the bar upwards) would be offset by the incredible leverage disadvantage when squatting that low.
I've done leg press that deep just experimenting and the last few inches between normal ATG and having your ass actually on the platform where your feet go drops the weight you can do like crazy.
Human body wasn't meant for that sort of move and the mechanical disadvantage is crazy.
Same with DB bench. If you do neutral grip and drop a bit below where BB would touch your chest it is harder for sure, but if you go maximum depth, such that your knuckles are next to your ribs and behind the front of the pec you can't lift frick all in comparison.
amateur
did he died?
Lol that is an atrocious squat. Lools weak and looks like a failed lift.
Hope you’re trolling, homie.
i hope so, or i have been goofing around for the past 4 months
Parallel is fine.
I literally don't know how to do the human fork lift slow concentric to parallel and back up with low bar. I only know how to do high bar and bounce into and out of the hole, not quite ass to grass but way below parallel. Occasionally I'll mis groove a rep and divebomb to true ATG, don't lack the mobility but the point is to just reach a stretch reflex and use it to bounce back up, not satisfy some autistic oly LARP atg requirement.
I have the heel/ankle mobility to go ATG, but I topple over at the bottom due to my proportions unless I sumo squat, so I can either do a shallow squat and get called out for not enough depth or I can take a really wide stance and get called out for that. Squat nazis are the worst, it is perhaps the most affected lift by your proportions / limb length
your quads are weak and your balance/form is bad, also get olympic weightlifting shoes
what you posted is just cope, this happened to me too, issue was weak quads and trying to stay too upright on the descent
You guys are so pathetic
>hurr durr your quads are weak
>I used to have the same issue until I bought Olympic shoes
Guess what moron, your quads are still weak XD
>has problem
>gets specific advice on how to solve problem
>NOOO YOU ARE PATHETIC
having your period or something?
It does not fix the problem
Buying cope shoes to handle your weak quads does not mean your quads aren't weak anymore
Let me guess, you wear a belt too?
I had the problem while already wearing shoes you dumb frick. You don't need the shoes, the other parts I mentioned are more important, but they can help.
I solved the problem with more direct quad work and reworking my form a bit. Don't know why I am trying to help people like you who neither deserve it nor is able to help themselves. Disregard everything I said and continue with half squats or folding over.
ive never really had a piss fetish, but if she let me stick my face under there and accidentally peed a bit, i wouldn't mind.
Nope doesn't count.
Who cares? Squats are inferior in every way to split squats.
>Can weight maximize weight on the working leg without tiring and risking the back.
>More similarity to sports.
>Better glute and abductor activation, commonly lacking areas.
>Knee to ground is perfect prompt for depth.
>Makes you have good conditioning to get through both legs
>Walking variation with light weight is the ultimate conditioning/pump exercise, especially with BFR bands on.
Post legs
Split squats hurt my knees
>Makes you have good conditioning to get through both legs
>This is what powershitters actually believe
Go do a set of 20 rep squats before trying to tell me that squats aren't good for conditioning
What % of 1pm? I've done lots of 20 reps squats with my 12 rep max. Pause reps are good for lots of things but squats will never be a good way of conditioning
>powershitters
>not doing squats
?????????
Imaging she squats on you dick then just before going to full depth, she sits on you with all that weight
shut up and have a nice day homosexual, nobody here thinks you're funny.
U 1st
Of course, even hve a new gun
cringe
Sure
First based post I've seen from giddy in a hot minute
Sweet hoodie, brand? Also, nice micropeen gun
Keep your finger off the trigger unless you’re ready to fire, even if it’s unloaded.
reddit
I'm always ready you scared homosexual
you sound like a massive pussy who'll prolly get their ass kicked relentlessly
Funny, that's what you sound like too
>trigger discipline
homosexual
>hammer wienered
>finger on trigger
nice gun, but you're an unsafe moron. finger on the trigger doesn't make you cool or 'ready.' it makes a fricking liability and will give the rest of us a bad name when you accidentally let one off. put it back in the drawer 007, you're not ready for that responsibility yet.
Back to redd*t
stfu
>finger on trigger
I thought you were white, but seeing you hold a gun like that has made me realize you're a Black person, sand Black person, or indian.
U still have ur rifle and nods?
Is lifting with straps, shoes, belts etc really lifting or is it augmented/cheating?
if you are autistic and dyel, it's cheating
if you are not it's an option and choice
only thing of what you mentioned that changes things a lot is straps, belts just help you brace better so force transfer is more efficient, shoes just get you into a position that may or may not be better for you depending on your squat style
if turning yourself into a literal cyborg isn't cheating then why would it be cheating to change your form according to your body's proportions? come on man
That's not cheating, squat however you want.
Getting to parallel is just an universal rule because that's how it's judged in PL'ing. You don't have to go deeper if you don't want to. The whole
>nooo I am too tall to not half squat
is bullshit though. One or more of the following is true in that case
>Your coordination is bad
>Your setup is bad
>Your hamstrings are too tight
>Your ankle mobility is bad, hence the recommendation for olympic weightlifting shoes
And so on. Getting to parallel isn't a big hurdle. I could go ATG on day one, squats still sucked for months until I learned the groove, and it's still not 100%. I don't actually squat to ATG, just a bit below parallel to my stretch reflex. It's a demanding movement to learn, so people quit or find ways to cope to avoid the process of learning.
imagine the smell
if its not ass to grass, its not a squat.
So that parallel squat is not a squat?
found the dyels
t. inflexible squatlet
that's ATG for him with this position, his hammies are in contact with his calves, it's physically impossible for him to go lower while keeping the back straight. Ultimately this is what ATG is, the lowest possible point you can go without risking injuring yourself, which correlate with the point where your hamstrings and calves are pushed into each other
His hip crease is about the same level as the top of his thighs. That means parallel. You can safely go lower and keep your back straight without any issue.
Stop being a coping powershitter
you don't understand anatomy
COPE.
Stop being inflexible and do some basic stretches. Can you even touch you toes?
Not him but you have no idea how this stuff works. If you do full depth sissy squats for example, you actually hit ATG without hitting parallel. Or if you do a hindu squat for example, you hit ATG and parallel at the exact same time. ATG is simply when you cannot go any deeper due to your hamstrings and calves squishing against eachother, that's all.
really proving the stereotype of ATGautists being third world low iq bugmen
You can't even see your toes
I do close stance ATG squats because that's how i'm most confortable, and I'm not a powerlifter. Just stating facts about anatomy.
not ATG
This pic is the crux of the argument in this thread
A back squat with efficient knee tracking, keeping the torso mo vertical will max out around this depth
He could roll his hips and go lower and injure himself but he doesn't need to
This is full depth for this person with that bar position
I stop at around the same place, high bar
does this mean I am better than everyone else in this thread?
It's ass to grass, not ass to ground. Grass reaches up a few inches
mow your lawn
How to not lean forward at the bottom of these when the weight gets heavy?
Really depends what your training for, i squat to parallel because I'm training for a powerlifting comp.
Have short femurs,
Chad with the sleeves imprinted on her so much that she had to go and tank her value by making herself look like a sailor. Shame.
yes
but you can't lift as much as an ATG squat, if you distinguish the two somehow it's fine
and squatting is not a sport or some shit power shitting stigma how much you squat isn't some shit to be gawking over and comparing epeens to, literally does not require skill
Ass to grass is a meme and you should stop doing it.
Going all the way down targets your legs less. If you hold for a moment with thighs parallel with the ground then bring it back up your legs stay under tension. If you go all the way down your thigh muscles don't stay engaged as much during the whole motion and your body instead relies on glutes for the exercise.
Although women or gay men could use it to target their ass, there are better exercises for ass building and you shouldn't frick up the best exercise for your thighs.
Basically, you 100% need to stop doing ass to grass cause its homosexual as shit.
>Basically, you 100% need to stop doing ass to grass cause its homosexual as shit
stopped reading there
post ending in 6 decides what I read instead
The Bible.
thread is over
repent and ask for forgiveness
Based
>Going all the way down targets your legs less.
Literally the opposite you dumb frick, going all the way down maximally recruits the quads since you fully lengthen them as opposed to cutting off the range of motion. Would your pecs grow optimally if you only went half way down on the bench press? Of course not
do air chairs ass to grass then, big butt boy moron
What the frick are you talking about? Speak english please
*slaps your fat moron ass*
looking real GAY there homosexual
digits
I think you're the real homosexual. Weakness is feminine, and strength is masculine. I have strong glutes (the anti-gravity muscle), and you have weak glutes. Therefore you're womanly, therefore you're a homosexual. You can't sprint, you can't jump, you would get crushed if you tried taking lmao2pl8 to depth. Checkmate dumbass
>I have a BIG BUTT
>that makes me a MAN
>when tyrone plows my BIG BUTT I feel like a MAN
You dumb frick, how is tyrone going to do shit when I'm three times stronger than him? He'll be the one on the chopping block you moron
>b-bu
One kick from my massive quads and he's dead. What are you gonna do about it?
*slaps your moronic dump truck again*
But your also on steroids, aka the troony drug, troony.
>insinuating that I'm a roidtroony
Now you have gone too far. You sully my honor, you swarthy imbecile! Perish immediately!
>*BANG BANG BANG*
Lord God, I come to you a sinner
And I humbly repent for my sins
I believe that Jesus is Lord
I believe you raised him from the dead
I would ask that Jesus come into my life
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I receive Jesus to take control of my life
Nice reems Black person
>doing high bar atg squats for a year
>basically spinning my wheels for a whole 10 months after the 2 month initial gains
>switch to low bar just below parallel
>squat goes up 70lbs in 2 weeks
>lower back doesn't hurt
>can actually do 5 sets without having to lower the weight or missing reps
oly squats are for bugmen
I make my gf squat me
Those hammies are skinny as frick. No way she squats you
Every squat counts if you really pushing yourself
Thanks dad
based
idc about how good your form is
idc about how much weight you lift
idc about how many reps you do
all i care about is that you try your best
we are all gonna make it if we do our best
I feel a weird click in my knee with ATG back squat
Front squat is good tho so idfk
Yes. That low to the ground is insane and hard for me even with just bodyweight
atg obsessers almost never have good squats. go have a look at actual olympic weightlifters who squat big weights highbar and look at their positions.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/diES2IK_glc
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1TmObaMHeaQ
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-RcLXU9wYPU
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fg9Maxr73i0
Enjoy your patellar tendonitis
And ask your daddy Clarence how it worked out for him
Parallel squats ruined my knees, ATG squats are what fixed them. Try again tubby
that was an overuse injury dummy. enjoy being a moronic coper.
moron
brainlet Black person homosexual
For all the morons in here, who think that ass to grass is natural and everyone can do it:
You all are just fricking midgets with short femurs. For really athletic built people even parallel can be an issue.
And that's just bone length. East and south slavs and asians have a conpletely different hip joint that allows them squat deeper. Women also have a different hip joint.
So frick you all, you dumb ugly midget imbiciles.
OP you don't even need to squat till parallel.
You wrote all this only to get btfo by three words
>Elevate. Your. Heels.
Done.
I counter with
>Suck. My. Dick.
have a nice day manlet/prostitute
>the screeching tallcel can only counter with an ad hominem
Dumb frick there are 6'8 people who can squat ATG with enough heel elevation. You are not above elevating your heels, I'm a fricking manlet and I still do it anyway so that I can bias my quads more. Good day
>elevate your heels
Why?
I assume ankle mobility.
I can force my ass on the ground with some knee flexion.
I don't see how longer femurs make it harder to go deeper.
My femurs are actually quite long and I can hit depth no problem.
Or are you talking about it being harder with the same amount of weight (and completing the rep)? then I agree.
There are also other issues like arms hitting knees when ATG front squatting and excessive forward lean.
it's not just femur length. it's torso/femur/tibia length. and that stupid video doesn't take into account you aren't a 2 dimensional pole. you have two rotating hip joint that can allow you to change your leverages by varying stance width and toe angle. plus he claims you can't just gain ankle mobility which 99% of people easily can. and on top of that, you can wear weightlifting shoes and gain even more ankle mobility. it's a cope video for morons.
i explained that it's asians and east/south slavs who have hip joints that allow them to squat deep. So no, not 99% of people. excessive ankle mobility will frick you up in other movements and tendons with ligaments can't be stretched in adulthood.
>you can wear weightlifting shoes and gain even more ankle mobility. it's a cope video for morons.
Wearing high-heeled shoes isn't giving you ankle mobility you moron.
>um well akshually my guy
Yeah not technically. It increases how far your knees can go forward though because the angle is changed. You're just grasping at straws because you're a bitter no squats.
I am 5'10".
I put on my weightlifting shoes, now I am 5'11".
I go to squat. I divebomb high bar nearly ATG. In between sets I like to look at immobile, awkward and uncoordinated lanklets struggling with 1pl8 to parallel. Imagine being a skelly in your 20's and already a fricking geriatric, couldn't be me lmfao
>I put on my weightlifting shoes, now I am 5'11"
Oh hey Stacy
Wow your form is so good and you lift quite alot
Well can you help me with my form...? Oh I'm anon btw nice to meet you
I'm a woman btw and this is more creepy than this post
shut up you fricking homosexual. YWNBAW
this woman owes me sex
Yeah just break parallel and your fine. There's a sweet spot for everyone where they get a nice stretch reflex to help em out of the hole. Find it
How do i do ATG paused squats without brutal buttwink?
elevate heels
Yes, but you aren't getting the most tout of the movement if you cut the rom
>flat/toned stomach
>belly button piercing
Might me one of my favorite things in the world. Very rare to see out in public in today’s fat world. Who’s this chick?
this isn't how anatomy works.
your squat depth is naturally limited by your hip insertion, which manipulates what foot and knee positional range is required for full depth squats, which dictates how stable you are and can be.
you should challenge your rom for flexibility and useful muscle range, but there are people that will never be able to do even bodyweight squats full depth without turning knees out and thus becoming so unstable as to make it uncomfortable
the useful depth for development is also the useful depth that you will actually squat to do things, which funny enough, lines up with the useful depth you can go if you do even mild challenge rom
I just go parallel. If your joints and back can handle A2G, I guess you *can* do it, but you don't *need* to do it for it to "count"
As long as you're not doing quarter-reps like zoomers nowadays you're fine.
Yeah that's good, 20 reps is a bit excessive. 5-10 is good, just park it at technical failure then when you can do 10 without that occurring add weight.
It's more that if you are hitting a true 20 rep max, your form is going to deteriorate at like rep 13-14. If you're doing 5-10 reps and it's actually challenging i.e a true 10RM max, your form isn't going to deviate until maybe rep 7-8. Even if you park it there, that's a high effort working set compared to the 20 rep set.
Also your logic is inverted; if your legs are used to endurance work, shouldn't you do the opposite in the gym? Ofc do whatever you want
>It's more that if you are hitting a true 20 rep max, your form is going to deteriorate at like rep 13-14.
This is usually due to weak thoracic extension/core strength which causes you to start folding over. If you start doing 20 rep squats this quality improves VERY quickly: within 3 sessions I noticed that I wasn't getting folded in half anywhere near as easily, and I was able to keep my technique good for much longer during the set. I stopped doing them for other reasons but 20 rep squats do in fact work, they're very tough but they're time proven, and they build massive quads without a doubt.
Yes. A 10 rep squat set is considered high reps. The problem with staying at very low weights is that your form will change once it starts getting heavy. Getting used to weight and being able to keep it controlled under high loads is a skill in itself, endless repetition at low weights won't teach you that.
I suggest double progression, e.g 6-10 x 3. You pick a weight, and once you can get 10 x 3 without technical failure you increase the weight, then repeat. Next session you might do 8 x 3, other one 9 x 2, 8 x 2 etc. Makes it very flexible.
You were given a generalized statement and you failed to understabd the meaning of it. The whole point was that people are different. There are hyper flehible people who can do what you will never be able even if you spend a lifestime stretching and working on mobility. They have it naturally without any work put into it. There are people who due to hip joint structure and bone proportions will never be able to do atg. You have to be genuinely moronic not to understand that.
>There are people who due to hip joint structure and bone proportions will never be able to do atg.
On flat ground sure, but if you elevate the heels enough anyone can go ATG, regardless of limb lengths and hip structure.
If you can't squat ATG at bodyweight due to your proportions, why train the movement at all? Work with your body, not against it.
>Work with your body, not against it.
Yes, that's the whole point of elevating your heels, so that your knees can travel far forward enough so that your hips can sink straight down so that you don't get buttwink. You build the movement around your anatomy, not the other way around. I can squat ATG just fine without any heel elevation but I still use it because I'm willing to leave my ego at the door so that I can get better results
If the natural (barefoot) way for me to squat deeply is to go wide stance, then that's how I should train the movement weighted. Changing the moment arms and leverages of my body with special weight lifting equipment like heeled shoes is not working WITH my body, it is working against it. I am changing how my body works to adapt to a completely arbitrary standard of motion, instead of choosing a motion that my body is suited to.
>Changing the moment arms and leverages of my body with special weight lifting equipment like heeled shoes is not working WITH my body, it is working against it.
Completely wrong. You're supposed to modify movements to suit your body, not the other way around. I started getting better results when I began constantly modifying movements to make them more suited to my build. I couldn't feel my quads on squats, so I started doing 1 and 1/2 squats to force my quads to work more by spending more time in the position where they're most active. I couldn't get a stretch on my hamstrings anymore on RDLs so now I stand on a plyo box and use a wide grip so that I can stretch them properly. Balance was an issue on bulgarian split squats so I started doing them with a 3 count pause to remedy the issue. Etc etc etc
>Completely wrong. You're supposed to modify movements to suit your body, not the other way around.
You're not very bright, are you? Modifying the movement to suit my body would be squatting wider or shallower. Modifying my body to suit the movement would be wearing heeled shoes.
>Modifying the movement to suit my body would be squatting wider or shallower. Modifying my body to suit the movement would be wearing heeled shoes.
Both of these are modifying the movement because you're changing the joint angles. Modifying the body to suit the movement would be.. actually you know what that was fricking moronic, you can't change your limb lengths or whatever so there's no modifying the body, only the movement. My bad then lmao. Either way, changing the stance or changing the depth or elevating your heels is modifying the movement because you're altering the joint angles of the movement, so I still don't think this argument applies because I see it no differently from changing my stance width.
Anyway I have a dilemma for you: What do I do if I am a person with long femurs, who can't squat ATG without heel elevation (but can with heel elevation), who has knee pain squatting to parallel but no knee pain squatting ATG? This person is me, except change the long femurs to short femurs. By your logic if I had long femurs I would be forced to rape my knees day in and day out instead of just elevating them and going ATG to avoid knee pain.
honestly true. you're not always going to have access to heeled shoes when you need to lift something in the wild, so you'd be impairing your ability to utilize your strength outside of the weight room
Wouldn't it be the other way around? I'm actually stronger without heels since they force me to use my quads more, so in this case I would actually become stronger if I was in the wild lol
huh? you said it yourself, without heels you aren't using your quads as much, so your excess quad strength would be pointless. you're essentially developing a muscle imbalance. and yes, most people are indeed stronger without heels, because it's a more natural movement that way
>huh? you said it yourself, without heels you aren't using your quads as much, so your excess quad strength would be pointless.
Do you even understand how biomechanics work? If I remove the heels I can shift more of the load to my hips which are stronger, but the additional quad strength is still beneficial because the quads are still the limiting factor, but I can lift more without heels because they're taking proportionally less load.
>you're essentially developing a muscle imbalance.
I'm actually fixing it, before I was very posterior chain dominant but now I'm more balanced lol
>yes, most people are indeed stronger without heels, because it's a more natural movement that way
So low-bar is the most natural position then, because you can lift more weight? Or better yet what about a marrs bar, is that the optimal piece of equipment for squatting since most people can lift even more weight with it than a low-bar squat? This logic is just silly: any movement that the body is capable of performing is natural, the only unnatural movements are ones that you cannot perform without breaking a joint or something (eg bending your elbow back the other way would break it, so that is an unnatural movement)
>Do you even understand how biomechanics work? If I remove the heels I can shift more of the load to my hips which are stronger, but the additional quad strength is still beneficial because the quads are still the limiting factor, but I can lift more without heels because they're taking proportionally less load.
And to elaborate on this point further: the only point where my "excess quad strength" would become useless is if my hips became the limiting factor instead of my quads. The thing is, the chances of this happening is infinitesmal if I'm still performing a squat pattern motion, since the quads are the limiting factor in the squat in almost all cases. And if it became a hip-dominant motion (like a good morning) then who cares? My hips are very strong so this isn't a problem lmao
anon if you want to prance around in heels be my guest but spare the rest of us your cope posts
>anon if you want to prance around in heels
Men were the only ones wearing them for the first 500 years after they were invented in Persia (I think it was there?), in fact the whole heels being for women thing is a very modern occurance that hasn't been around for very long, but that's besides the point, I'm referring to weightlifting shoes not fricking high heels lol
>spare the rest of us your cope posts
Not a valid argument, try forming a valid argument that can dismantle my own arguments. And again, if your style of squatting is so much better, post your quads and mog me
That's the dumbest racial theory ever. I'm a full blown racist, but you went full moron. Never go full moron
>Hello fellow racists! How do you do? Maybe this thing about races being different isn't true?
Gee I wonder who could be behind this post
beyond parallel is worthless and just fatigues you.
Going ATG is necessary to fully stretch the quads and glutes/adductors, it's objectively better for hypertrophy. The reduced load also allows you to do more sets without running into issues with systemic fatigue since absolute load is an independent fatigue factor
must have struck a nerve
Just do what works for you. Even some weightlifters go just below parallel (which for most people is only a half squat).
Too acute of a knee angle results in slack in both the hamstrings and low back if your not flexible enough. Slacked hamstrings have it's uses in a squat, but a more open knee angle and horizontal back is best for lifting heavy weight and working the most muscle mass.
A proper squat is always below parallel, otherwise it's not a squat. Above parallel box squats are good for quad and adductor tear rehab, or those with terribly fricked knees or substantial tendon damage.
A squat with a high bar is useful for rehabbing hamstring injuries, a medium day for a hypertrophy-geared program, and those with pathologically poor mobility.
However, a lowbar squat with higher hips will drive bigger loads more efficiently. This essentially means that a lowbar will increase your highbar, but the opposite is not true. If you are running an intermediate type program and looking to add mass, heavy lowbar at the beginning of the weak will make you strong enough to add more volume on your highbars later in the week.
This combined with a set of heavy deadlifts on the highbar day, and sumos on lowbar day, and RDLs on your light day makes a good basis for lower body intermediate programming.
>but a more open knee angle and horizontal back is best for lifting heavy weight and working the most muscle mass.
In the context of a hypertrophy program, this simply fatigues you for no reason. If you have any hamstring strength at all, low-bar squatting won't do anything to your hamstrings, so really you're just tiring out your back for no reason. You also produce more systemic fatigue due to the greater absolute loads, so you won't be able to do as many sets. Moreover, it interferes with upper body training more due to the strain put on the wrists, elbows, and shoulders to hold the low-bar position. It simply isn't necessary, high-bar squats and/or front squats combined with pure hinges (RDLs, good mornings, back extensions) cover all your bases when it comes to programming for hypertrophy.
>This essentially means that a lowbar will increase your highbar, but the opposite is not true.
This isn't really true: while it is true that your low bar won't go up a ton if you're doing just high bar, this is simply due to specificity. If you're doing them both however, high-bar has immense carry over to low-bar, which is why many powerlifters use high-bar as an accessory to low-bar. The prime mover on any squat pattern motion is the quads, and high-bar is a much more effective tool for quad development than low-bar, which is why it is often used for that very reason. Of course something like a pause low-bar squat has even more carryover to the low-bar squat, but this is simply due to the law of specificity.
I don't get the ass to grass meme. When you go that deep your quads stop supporting your body during the rep and instead the tension goes to your knees and lower back. There's no reason to go pass 90º, nobody is giving you a medal for it and in fact it's better for legs if you don't do it since you keep constant tension on your quads
ATG is literally better for quad growth in every way because you get a full stretch on your quads. Saying that parallel squats are better is like saying that going half-way down on the bench press is better for pec hypertrophy. What the hell are you talking about?
no it would be like saying that going half way down on the bench press is better for tricep hypertrophy (which is true)
>no it would be like saying that going half way down on the bench press is better for tricep hypertrophy (which is true)
Lmao it actually isn't, what the hell? That's good for training your tricep lockout strength, but it's garbage for hypertrophy because you're not getting stretch mediated hypertrophy. A better compound lift for triceps hypertrophy would be a close grip incline press, since the triceps get stretched a ton during that lift. Or better yet overhead tricep extensions, since you stretch the shit out of the triceps long head.
coping
Go watch more Mike Israel nobody cares about your autistic babbling
>random roided eceleb out of thin fricking air
What the hell are you even going on about? You don't even have an argument for what I'm saying dude, enough with your BS. ATG squats are better for quad hypertrophy than parallel squats in almost all cases, it's that simple. Post quads or get out of this thread
>roided legs
opinion invalidated
>mfw people think I'm a fricking roidtroony
>mfw people actually think my dumbass is capable of getting my hands on roids in the first place
ATG squats really are that good, huh? Guess I'll keep doing em
Your legs look normal. Not roided at all. I'd guess you squat 275lbs.
That's about right actually, no idea what that other dude is going on about since I don't even think my legs are particularly large, they're passable but nothing crazy just yet. I only managed to get into a productive style of squatting that didn't frick up my knees or back like 9? or so months ago so my quads are lagging behind my hamstrings a good bit, but I'm working on it
You have good lower quads (teardrops), it shows you actually train the full rom of your quads. Most people have thick upper legs but lacking lower quads cuz they never do full rom.
im 6 ft 4 and can squat ass to grass but my back rounds and i like like a goblin in the hole. but i notice if i squat down on my tippy toes i can keep my back 100% perfectly straight. Do I need to be able to put my heels on the ground from the tippy toe position? is such ankle mobility even possible?
Just use something to elevate your heels, that'll get the job done. Weightlifting shoes, squat wedges, a slantboard, or standing on plates, or a combination of these (eg weightlifting shoes + squat wedges) will work very well.
All you need is going parallel, don’t worry. If you can go below it’s fine, but not the end of the world if you can’t.
I am 1,68m height and it’s easy for me to go deeper (sometimes I even forget the safeties are there) but I’m not bragging about, it’s just that: easy.
Imagine her being incontinent and leaking delicious juices through those panties for every rep she takes. Yummy.
>1 body posted from ATGgays
>0 bodies posted from parallelgays
Who wins this round?
They are both moronic.
>quartersquat gays enter the thread
oh boy
>i believe that something magical happens when you reach parallel/go atg, and all other forms of squatting must be completely useless, but i have absolutely no evidence to support this belief
morons, all of you.
Nothing magical happens, what does happen is that you stretch the quads and hip extensors more which is superior for hypertrophy. That being said, quarter squats aren't entirely useless since in some cases you want to strengthen that top part of the range of motion, however quarter squats do a terrible job at this because you need so much fricking weight. Reverse step ups are much better because you don't need as much load and they do the exact same thing lol
Are you seriously trying to argue FOR quarter rep squats? This is bait right?
>seriously?
>are you literally disagreeing with me?
>i literally can't even
>i'm literally shaking rn
Great argument there, buddy.
Can you at least TRY to make an argument for quarter squats? Like present some actual reasons as to why they could be better other than "hehe look at all this weight I can put on the bar lol!" I mean I've done more to support your own argument than you have, I actually brought up some potential reasons as to why quarter squats may be useful
but those use-cases still don't justify using them because there are better alternatives that do the same thing without needlessly fatiguing you so much.
When did I ever mention quarter squats, you dumb frick? My point is that ass to grass/below parallel are arbitrary standards.
>My point is that ass to grass/below parallel are arbitrary standards.
For one, everything is an arbitrary standard. Why do we deadlift from an arbitrary height? You can use smaller plates, or you can stand on something to get more range of motion. And secondly, ATG is actually the only non-arbitrary range of motion, since it is the deepest position you can get to. All the other ranges (below parallel, parallel, slightly above parallel, half squat, quarter squat) are the truly arbitrary standards because you're cutting off the range of motion instead of going all the way down.
>For one, everything is an arbitrary standard
Nope. Squatting in a manner that doesn't result in injuries and that helps you attain greater fitness is not arbitrary.
>Why do we deadlift from an arbitrary height?
Good thing I didn't make the argument that we have to deadlift from an arbitrary height then.
>since it is the deepest position you can get to
That doesn't make it any less arbitrary.
>All the other ranges (below parallel, parallel, slightly above parallel, half squat, quarter squat) are the truly arbitrary standards
Good thing I didn't argue for any specific depth then.
>Nope. Squatting in a manner that doesn't result in injuries and that helps you attain greater fitness is not arbitrary.
ATG squatting, when progressively overloaded with proper technique and appropriate load management, is not injurious. This isn't even me talking out of my ass, they've done studies on this shit
>That doesn't make it any less arbitrary.
What do you mean? It's the only non-arbitrary standard since you aren't cutting off the depth, you literally cannot go any deeper than that.
>Good thing I didn't argue for any specific depth then.
So then why were you shitting on ATG/parallel in an earlier post? Sounds like you're arguing for half/quarter squats, which we know aren't particularly useful in most cases (and in the case of the quarter squat, reverse step ups are much more useful)
>What do you mean? It's the only non-arbitrary standard since you aren't cutting off the depth, you literally cannot go any deeper than that.
What do you think "arbitrary" means?
>So then why were you shitting on ATG/parallel in an earlier post?
I never did that. I shat on people who believe that something magical happens when you reach a certain depth.
>which we know aren't particularly useful in most cases
No, "we" don't "know" that. A bunch of people who are incapable of independent thought *think* that.
>What do you think "arbitrary" means?
I'm saying it's the only non-arbitrary depth because *it's a hard limit.* Parallel would be the next one since we can define it as the hip crease in the same plane as the top of the knee, however it's still more arbitrary than ATG which is defined by you getting stopped by a physical barrier (your hamstrings squishing against your calves)
>I never did that. I shat on people who believe that something magical happens when you reach a certain depth.
Literally no one believes something magical happens when you hit a certain depth, you're talking out of your ass. But many things do happen when you hit that depth which are highly beneficial, and there are passive factors that indirectly occur that are also beneficial, namely reduced absolute loads which reduces systemic fatigue since absolute load is an independent fatigue factor.
>No, "we" don't "know" that. A bunch of people who are incapable of independent thought *think* that.
We literally do though. ATG squatting is highly beneficial to your vertical jump for example. I would say that quarter squatting is actually more useful than half-squatting, however again, reverse step ups do the exact same thing without needlessly fatiguing you so there's no point in doing quarter squats. Half squats are simply a poor developmental tool, they don't develop anything particularly well and they are hard to standardize unlike parallel or ATG squats so nobody uses them.
>I'm saying it's the only non-arbitrary depth because *it's a hard limit.*
That's still arbitrary. Read about that word, you don't seem to understand what it means.
>ATG squatting is highly beneficial to your vertical jump for example
https://www.yourworkoutbook.com/quarter-squats-sprinters/
>arbitrary: based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
ATG is the full range of motion you can go through, therefore it isn't based on random choice or personal whim since it is a biological construct, not an artificial one. You are mentally moronic
>short term improvements = long term gains
As I said before, reverse step ups are infinitely better for improving your vertical jump than quarter squats, because they do the EXACT SAME THING while keeping fatigue down. ATG squats improve your vertical by strengthening your tendons and ligaments as well as building your VMO, which is one of the more important muscles for your vertical jump. While the VMO gets biased more at the very top of a squat (like in a quarter squat), it also gets biased more at the very bottom of a squat, which is superior for hypertrophy due to stretch mediated hypertrophy. Essentially you want to build up this muscle with ATG squats, then you translate it into your vertical jump by doing reverse step ups since strength is joint-angle specific
tl;dr: your argument is dogshit lmao
>ATG is the full range of motion you can go through
And why would the full range of motion necessarily be better? You chose that on a personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
>As I said before, reverse step ups are infinitely better for improving your vertical jump than quarter squats, because they do the EXACT SAME THING while keeping fatigue down. ATG squats improve your vertical by strengthening your tendons and ligaments as well as building your VMO, which is one of the more important muscles for your vertical jump. While the VMO gets biased more at the very top of a squat (like in a quarter squat), it also gets biased more at the very bottom of a squat, which is superior for hypertrophy due to stretch mediated hypertrophy. Essentially you want to build up this muscle with ATG squats, then you translate it into your vertical jump by doing reverse step ups since strength is joint-angle specific
[citation needed]
I love how assmad you are over the fact that I found a study that came to the exact opposite conclusion of what you're claiming.
>And why would the full range of motion necessarily be better?
Because of stretch mediated hypertrophy. Again, if quarter squats are so good, why don't you post quads? You should be able to mog me
easily
>[citation needed]
>I love how assmad you are over the fact that I found a study that came to the exact opposite conclusion of what you're claiming.
Because I am not going to spend 30 minutes grabbing 5 different studies proving my point because it isn't worth my time, I already did that earlier to deal with the vegan morons in another thread and they just ignored them entirely instead of having a debate so I don't see the point in doing that very often lmao
This, right here, is the peak female body.
Strong and beautiful.
yes if you're doing low bar
Not if you're doing high bar
I butt wink when I go much below parallel because I don't have the mobility necessary not to buttwink so I try not to go below parallel
I feel stronger while squatting and don't get as many weird feelings of being strained after squatting.
got these $90 cheapo shoes from amazon and it made a huge difference. along with that I started doing ankle and hip mobility stretches every day. now when I go atg I buttwink a lot less and have much more power at depth. my squat increased 30% in 3 days.
returning these shoes once my trial is up because I got some romaleos coming in the mail.
>muh legs rly long >:(
>muh anglo-saxon hips ¯_(ツ)_/¯
>muh buttwink >︿<
try stretching morons
I fricking hate how much I come to this thread because op pic, not realizing I have been here so many times before.
Not all ATG squats are equal. If you're dropping into the ATG position then your motion is not proper.