Does anxiety ever go away? I'm working out pretty much every day, I get sun, I eat well, don't drink booze, do drugs, I never took any pills, I have a job, good sleeping schedule. Yet my anxiety is always through the roof and I still avoid interacting with people as much as possible.
>anxiety
name real illness homie
Bitch, anxiety is more real than ADD or whatever that moronic made up shit where people randomly scream out obscenities.
Touretto syndrome
People who deny other people struggles are unhappy and railing on your fellow man trying to improve is low T
what the frick is that
A Bombilla
It's a straw
oh thanks !
what's the green stuff btw
Yerba Mate
Good to know, but I'm not your mate, pal
Reconsider, it would be wise.
Yerba mate, don’t drink it. Caffeine and carcinogens don’t help anxiety
You fool, it's only carcinogenic if you drink it hot Or buy the smoked variety.
Why the frick would the FDA approve it if it was carcinogenic?
Cimarron
I live were drinking this is normal
Fricking pathetic that this is a new meme now, watching homosexuals trying to find the ideal yerba and the ideal temperature like coffee enthusiast. It's literally nothing
this kek. just make a hill and dump the frickin water in homie
not drinking mud frick off poor
You breathe too much. Count how many breaths you normally take in a minute and try to reduce it to 5-6 times a minute at rest. Also breathe through your nose whenever possible.
seconding breath anon, most people overbreathe and that causes mineral deficiencies
>overbreathe and that causes mineral deficiencies
Releasing too much CO2 causes your blood pH to rise, signaling the kidneys to release bicarbonate to buffer your blood pH. Then you piss out the excess bicarbonate bonded to minerals like magnesium, potassium, etc. That's why asthmatics often have magnesium deficiency and nerve issues.
Put down that nintendo switch or whatever you play. Also stop using tik tok
I don't play vidya nor watch tik tok. Just too much IST tbh
Can you narrow down why you feel anxious?
Do you have symptoms of overtraining?
Do some mushrooms and learn something about yourself.
Some fatigue yes but that's it.
I've considered that in the past but too much of a pussy, I don't want to become a schizo.
Early 30.
No coffee.
>no coffee
MORE COFFEE!
>don't want to become a schizo
That's not mushrooms, that's too much acid or years of weed.
What do you recommend for shrooms then?
Shiitake
Did you try stop caring? You’ll be in a grave soon, you are early 30’s. Just do it
How old are you? I find I have it less as I grow older and give less of a frick.
My anxiety is much more manageable when I'm overtrained.
Just keep lifting heavy even if you're tired until you're so strong you dont have to feel anxious about thing
ALSO, stop coffee, even if you think it doesnt it might be because you're not realizing it
>I still avoid interacting with people as much as possible
This is why you have anxiety. You aren’t secure in yourself or have deep trust in the people around you. You don’t have a tribe. You have no one’s back and no one has yours. Welcome to modern life in 2023.
My advice to you is to go get 10mg script for propranolol, a beta blocker. This will be used for intense public interaction for you to take as-needed.
Quit your stupid job and go travelling the world, meet and frick people from different countries, learn from them.
Microdose mushrooms
Do BJJ, kickingboxing and mma for 5-10 years and don’t get injured
Lift perpetually throughout your life
Sauna
Go to toastmasters for 10 years and do public speaking
Have a job where you have to interact and work with people
Seek solitude, not isolation
> Have a job where you have to interact and work with people
>not being a wfh programming Chad
People can instinctively and instantly tell that someone doesn’t have much human interaction. They give off cretin vibes. This is you and all wfh codemonkey programmers. What a pathetic waste of a life
wrong, programming and software engineering are literally the most important jobs in society. pay the most for the least work and getting to wfh. stay jelly wageslave.
If you cant do your job without electricity you have a fake job
>have deep trust in the people around you
Yeah this happens to me. I cant relax around normoids.
Not OP tho
>just take drugs and travel bro!
moronic reddit spacing normalgay
>Don’t get injured
It's too late for me
>Take pills
No
>Go travel
It's a meme, i moved countries and am still the same anxious moron.
bad advice mixed with good advice mixed with awful advice
I wish I wasn't self-aware.
And I don't mean that good side of being self-aware, but literally crippling, and I mean crippling levels of self-awareness/self-consciousness of every little miniscule detail. When I interact with someone I am aware of the speed I am talking, the posture I am holding, the tone I am expressing, the eye contact I am holding, the body language I am expressing, my brain is literally working on overdrive 110% every single time and as soon as I do something "wrong" in any of these things I feel like I did something terribly wrong. Every single second feels like an hour and I am constantly in fight or flight mode. My heart starts pumping so much that at some point I literally start to think that even the other person can hear it, especially indoors in a quiet setting.
Every social interaction is like Q&A conversation in a RPG game, but instead of 3 possible questions/answers and endless time to pick the correct response there's like 3 million possible questions/answers to choose from and a deadly awkwardness timer going on, where if you don't quickly pick a response in milliseconds and not picking the right response results in me dying right there on the spot.
I want to erase that, to just be able not to think about any of that and not act manually. To be able to just talk about the weather or something dumb like that without thinking much about it. At this rate I'll die in my 30s out of nothing but pure stress cortisol overload.
Thanks for reading my blog post
Can relate way too much.
If I'm eating by someone I get self conscious about the noise I make.
Congrats you have above average social skills, or the nervous system/cognitive configuration/sensitivities to have it. Keep socializing and you will socialmaxx and reap the rewards for it.
I don't think being aware of every single micromovement while interacting with someone is "above average social skills"
Not that anon, but I agree with him. If you were to negate the physiological reactions in your body when socially interacting with someone, what are you left with? In your case, an ability to expertly manuever conversations. Imagine having those 3 million options like you said but no anxiety or ego, only pure cognition; you'd quite possibly be able to read people very well or get them to do whatever you want.
Now it can be argued that those 3 million options are solely because of the anxiety., but I think It still does say something about your cognitive abilities to be able to think up those possibilities.
damn
Couldn't have said it better myself. Life is suffering
Same, I hate it.
Left brained because u grew up with technology. Use ur right side or u'll come off as the npc that you currently are. Ur right side is infinitely creative and doesn't think if something is logical or true. Also make it about the other person's needs not yours.
If you don't take my advice your mother will die in her sleep.
I was exactly the same. You are in permanent fight or flight mode because you put yourself in situations that you can't handle. Try to find an environment that works for you and accept it, don't give a shit about normalgay ideas of a good and successful life. Never let normalgays stand between you and happiness. My fear of failure was so bad every day I thought about hopping in front of a truck so I could avoid situations that most people deem trivial. Just say frick it, let it go, do something else, reset your stressed out brain, become a NEET if you must and find out what truly makes you happy, not what is supposed to make you happy.
> Just say frick it, let it go, do something else, reset your stressed out brain, become a NEET if you must and find out what truly makes you happy, not what is supposed to make you happy.
I just turned 31 and I’m just so burned out that is so brutal. I was the most high energy guy you could ever meet a few years ago but I just can’t act anymore. I broke up with my gf and I’m on a dry spell for one year and I have a very difficult job (doing weddings) and I dread every single day of it because of the anxiety. I hope I make it through and in 2024 I quit everything and start a YouTube Chanel or something. But yeah being a neet is hard with only 20k in the bank
Honestly bro you need to look for a different line of work. I was the same back in 2019, working as a Sous chef under a horrid c**t. Constant tunnel vision, shaking hands, getting grey hairs ect. Quitting was the best thing I did, landed a job as an industrial sparky and life was ez. Really can’t emphasise how much better my life got post having anxiety attacks almost constantly.
Best advice ITT
lmao this is speech 2 stuff, if you're gonna tismmax maybe take a class on interpersonal communication. When you understand the mechanisms behind feedback in communication it's not so bad. What I mean is that transactions are more like the boardgame operation than a flight simulator.
I know it's a meme, but :
- Lots of experience with parties I didn't wan't to go to, forced myself.
- Picrel
- Frequency of social interaction
Did it for me. I go back to autist mode when I don't interact with several people on a daily basis, and I think that's fine. I'll just adapt to new shit.
+1, nothing to add
>and not act manually
if its possible to overcome this, you will have to train this like any other muscle. i've never had anxiety that crippling, but i have been haunted by my past. every once in a while something i really regret will pop into my head, but i literally just power through the thought and move on. 'let it pass through you without acknowledging it' or whatever the buddhists say. might work for you, can't promise it will though. good luck.
2 most likely reasons:
Low on magnesium. Start supplementing chelated form. In 99% of cases when something in your head is fricked, it's low levels of magnesium. Modern agricultural methods and depleted soils result in a very low mag levels in our foods. We need to supplement it.
Overtraining. Just do a deload or take a few feeks off. Even weeks off won't effect your gains as per sudies. On the contrary, it might result ib better gains later. So get some rest and see if it works.
im almost 32 and im terrified of everything. the main terror is social interaction which completely destroyed my entire life, because lacking friends and relationships made me not care about doing anything. im afraid to talk to women because they will see my pathetic life and lack of relationship and romantic experience. im afraid to try to make friends because they will see how pathetic my life is and lack of experience with life. im afraid to drive a car. im afraid to move from my parents because roommates would see how pathetic my life is. im afraid to try to get a better job than my miserable, pathetic job because no company would hire a pathetic scared moron like me especially since i dont really have any marketable skills.
worst of all i desperately want to be dead and kill myself if necessary but im too afraid to even do that
grim
it is what it is
but at this point you should consider drastic solutions
Having friends is also about seeing how pathetic each other's life is. Sometimes you can even tell them and give advice.
Just think of tuxedo pepe every time, life is kinda funny
i go to a bath house with a bunch of different saunas and it helps my anxiety a lot. if you can find a sauna / cold pool situation i would try that.
i've been sleeping like shit and suffering from anxiety lately too, and my gf makes me this cbd tea which has really improved my sleep. i feel a lot less anxious the next day also.
>it makes you high and i'm above that
you're autistic with no gf
Mixed gender saunas?
yeah, mixed gender. not the gay kind
I'll try only if there are personal saunas. Entering saunas with other half naked or fully naked people all around me will only make me even more anxious.
Anxiety is always caused by one specific problem in your life. Either you solve it or you go a different path with different challenges. There's no other solution, especially not drugs.
my shitty story: I was in uni when my parents died and it took me years to figure out that the reason I fricked up my studies was not depression and fear but I was suicidal and useless because I subconsciously hated my studies. I forced myself through the degree with shit grades because of the stupid idea to make other people proud and I only found happyness when I picked up a completely different path afterwards and stopped caring about what other people think (this was the main thing for me). All my worries were blown away. I obviously tried all the meme shit, clean diet, lifting, cold showers, "going out" none of this will fix your problem.
>I only found happyness when I picked up a completely different path afterwards and stopped caring about what other people think
If I may ask what path was it?
clearly not learning to spell
>Anxiety is always caused by one specific problem in your life.
Nope.
Anxiety has biological and chemical signatures, such as high cortisol and adrenaline. Psychological factors can trigger anxiety, but dietary health factors like stimulant consumption, sleep and vitamin A toxicity determine the baseline levels of these stress hormones.
If the diet is fixed then there can be baselines feelings of incredible calmness, so that even harsh psychological anxiety triggers will hardly have any effects.
Sugar is great at tanking cortisol by the way, which is why it is known as comfort food.
Dude I've been trying to "find myself" and choose my own path for fricking years but I just have absolutely nothing. I'm 29 now and the number of paths is dwindling
You getting your wizard powers next year anon?
I at least fricked by girls that chose me (nothing of my own will) but virginity can regrow
Not really. That kind of anxiety is tied to your subjectivity - how you function in the world and relate to others. You can try therapy. I recommend an older man that you vibe with
You're lonely.
Humans are social species, not having some level of social contact with other people is genuinely bad for you.
beta take
sigma chads stay winning
workout less you may simply be overtraining. and quit caffeine
workout is a noun, I you mean work out
I hate you
What works for me is to get up at 5 AM every single day and eating a HUGE breakfast. Also, drop all stimulants like coffee and energy drinks
Are there any meds that actually help with this and don't turn you into a zombie?
There are
which ones?
Low GABA
No more raw caffeine. Drink tea. If you must use preworkout, get one that includes L-theanine.
Don't let the doc get you on benzos. You'll never get off. If a drink a day won't work for you, try phenibut.
This, lemon balm tea, other GABA increasing things.
Try yoga and meditation anon. Anxiety is more than the mind, it's the body as well. Once you realise that the line between mind and body is incredibly thin, dealing with anxiety becomes a cake walk. Read up a bit on chakras, it sounds like middle aged housewife cope but this "subtle body" theory has been developed over ages.
I'd emphasize more on yoga because it develops body awareness, and as that develops it's like reasons behind your anxiety just "come to you". Just don't bend your back too hard and herniate a disk or something.
Bro I was so anxious I would derealize for weeks at a time. Thought I was in a dream for almost a year straight. Convinced myself I had meningitis and was dying, almost everyday I'd be entirely convinced I was dying of a heart attack. aged like ten years in 5. hands and feet going numb, shadow people running around in my peripheral,s hearing voices. nothing helped but this tea. I drank two cups a day and it would give me just enough clarity to be rational and figure out what was anxiety and what wasn't. all you need is a stepping stone to clarity, and you will be rational enough to unravel it all yourself. no medication, nothing. just pajeet leaf water. I still drink it everyday and I'm pretty much normal despite some residual hypochondria now and then
Another hypochondriac anon here. I used to drink this tea back in the day and remember liking it. Gonna order it again.
Homie, you are preaching to the fricking choir here. I am right now in the same boat. Been having this kind of stuff for about a year now, ever since I started UNI.
I have gotten it slightly under control, but I still have that dream feeling and I keep almost daily thinking that I have a deadly heart disease or something.
How did you fix yourself (besides the tea)?
as usual another thread full of normalgays giving moronic meme advice.
Supplements, tea, exercise, gut bacteria "just go take dancing lessons" etc do nothing for social anxiety.
The only thing that does is therapy. Specifically CBT where you actively try to rewire your fricked up brain and change cognitive distortions.
Yes.
For me it was (1) Eliminate PUFA / seed oils. I noticed they give me anxiety when I eat them, but cutting them out also had long-term effects of reducing baseline anxiety levels.
(2) Eliminate vitamin A by eating a diet consisting 90% of just red meat + chicken breast + bread/rice/oats.
A vitamin A restriction diet causes vitamin A to dump hard for the first couple weeks, which actually made anxiety worse for a few weeks, and gave me sunlight sensitivity - these are both common symptoms of acute vitamin A toxicity. But after a few months of the diet I have become incredibly resistant to anxiety. Vitamin A is one of the few toxins that are known to cause anxiety, and white people who grew up drinking milk every day are prone to vitamin A toxicity.
(3) Coffee: Stimulants cause anxiety. If you have anxiety coffee should be at the top of your list for things to change.
I used to have chronic anxiety for years, and I am now remarkably resistant to anxiety and just radiating calmness.
damn, i wish i were a crazy person so I could just psyop myself into being not crazy
Dude look up the symptoms of vitamin A toxicity.
Anxiety is one of the big symptoms.
Pretty much all white dairy drinkers have low levels of chronic vitamin A toxicity which causes them anxiety, especially since the government started supplementing retinol into the dairy supply
Black person you'd have to drink like 10 gallons of milk a day to get vitamin A toxicity.
You're either some lunatic, troll, or most likely a stealth vegan shill.
You don't know what your talking about.
When retinol is consumed, the first thing the liver does it store it. Guess what happens after 2 decades of eating milk and cereal for breakfast? Your liver has now reached retinol storage capacity and starts to slowly dump it.
Guess what happens when people apply retinol skincare products? It makes your skin burn off. Well the same shit happens internally, and so your internal tissues start peeling and causing a host of autoimmune disease.
Try a vitamin A restriction diet, and watch yourself get symptoms of vitamin A toxicity like anxiety and sunlight sensitivity as your liver dumps vitamin A.
>2 decades of eating milk and cereal for breakfast
This is not a thing white people do on the regular. Most white people recognize this as a variation of cake and it's very occassional. Whites have toast and eggs for breakfast. Maybe a bagel.
It's what I did, and my brothers, and quit a few of my friends as well.
t. highest dairy drinkers in yurop
>euros eat cake for breakfast every day
And yet Americans get called fat
Americans are fat.
Next your probably going to call China fat because rice is FREE in China.
Rice is free everywhere
you just spouting gibberish. Nobody is getting vitamin A toxicity from eating a bowl of fricking cereal every morning
You need psychoanalytic therapy
The funny thing is, my anxiety pretty much did go away but my avoidance traits didn't. Now I am really confused as to what the frick is wrong with me.
years of social anxiety causes social skills deficits. You simply might not know how to interact. That in an of itself can trigger more anxiety. Its a vicious infinite feedback loop.
You need therapy to learn how to break out of that loop.
You also end up so used to being alone that being around other people seems alien to you and causes discomfort
I found that ashwagandha really helped with anxiety.
I used to have lots of anxiety and panic attacks before I started training BJJ. I haven't had a single panic attack since the first day I went in there, fighting with people literally cured me immediately. But YMMV
yknow anon a lot of homies will tell you to just do some external physical thing but these will be moot unless you actually try doing things that will make your social anxiety better. Unironically go on omegle and talk to random people and have conversations. I did that ten years ago and I got way better at social interactions. Now I have no problem talking to people and can be very social. Was never like that before. Attack the root source of your anxiety head on. Giving yourself a better headspace with all the recs that these anons are giving and it'll make the process smoother. But those things alone aren't going to do much besides make you feel slightly better.
more fatty meat and more sunlight.
Doesn't red meat cause heart disease?
That's a myth. It's unsubstantiated, but big soi/big ag/vegans went wild over it.
mine did after several black girls liked my dick pics it was like wow i've won.
I’ve just had to accept I am broken on the inside and there is no medical or psychological intervention.
former neet with crippling anxiety here
i got a restaurant job serving a year ago and it has helped me a lot, the social gains are good and the people here like me cause i just focus on putting in effort, i show up every day and i often help out others, women coworkers and tables take notice of me more, etc.
i started working out a few months ago and it has increased my appeal with people more somehow
still have extreme avoidant problems though, i avoid going out with coworkers to drink, i avoid party invites, i chat with tables as little as possible, if i am in a conversation i try to worm out of it or cut it off asap
Yeah it can go away, look at your minerals. Now I just don't enjoy life instead
Haha this is exactly what happened to me. Anxiety must work like fuel or shows you have energy or something. Life enjoyment and even my perception of the passage of time has completely flat lined
I mean I don't have energy either so definitely that
>I have a job
Found the problem
>Yet my anxiety is always through the roof and I still avoid interacting with people as much as possible
>I still avoid interacting with people
>avoid interacting with people
There we have it, OP. The main way to become less socially anxious is to practice being social. You can go to the gym and earn money all you want, but if you never break your comfort bubble and actually practice being social, you'll always have social anxiety.
If you are satisfied with life, yes, but life is very hard. Prayer helps but it's hard to find the mindset and the time.
I have severe anxiety, I think it's like a PTSD thing, I don't fricking know. Just a constant hum of anxiety that gets worse or better depending on the day. It never goes away, I hate it.
I abuse the frick out of nictoine, that's been what keeps me going and I can't recommend it enough. People laugh when I give this advice irl but nicotine probably saved my life.