Does the best fighter who ever lived prove the neanderthal theory?
Not too tall. Not too heavy. Short reach. As compact as it gets.
Does the best fighter who ever lived prove the neanderthal theory? Not too tall. Not too heavy. Short reach.
Does the best fighter who ever lived prove the neanderthal theory?
Not too tall. Not too heavy. Short reach. As compact as it gets.
No. His conditioning was what set him apart. He did so much endurance work nobody could keep up with his pace.
What was his routine?
Ducking drug tests, tampering gloves, tampering hand wraps, and spiking his opponents drinks.
this is so hajime no ippo, ganbate chinaman fighter!!!!!!!
>What was his routine?
From my notes on old boxers' routines (sources are newspaper clips etc):
>Rocky Marciano
>7AM - 6 miles run completed in over an hour
>5 minutes shadowboxing.
>3 rounds sparring, every round with a different partner.
>Heavybag work (no rounds given)
This was the 50s, the last decade without amssive steroid usage and the routines are overall very low volume, as you can see.
>6 mile run completed in over an hour
Yeah, not buying it. No way the dude couldn’t maintain a pace that every soldier who preceded him would have found embarrassing.
That is your choice. I only repeat what's the facts. If you prefer your own headcanon, I don't mind.
> Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
>In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
You’re a fricking homosexual. Of course one of the greatest boxers alive didn’t just jog 6 miles in over and hour. God I fricking hate you homosexuals.
>You’re a fricking homosexual. Of course one of the greatest boxers alive didn’t just jog 6 miles in over and hour. God I fricking hate you homosexuals.
There's only 1 idiot here and it's you, believing the alleged words of a trainer over what people could see for themselves.
I did my research You just googled some shit and are obviously so not into boxign and running you cannot tell that 15 miles daily (plus 10 miles walking) is pretty fricking unrealistic for a heavyweight boxer. I can only wonder why you would believe those numbers, dyel.
Also, some more notes:
>Rocky's heavy bag wasn't 300 lb, but 270, described as "about four times as heavy as a normal bag". Meaning: A normal heavy bag was rather light back then, 60-65kg. Another article says 60 lb.
>"Rocky starts sparring anywhere from three to six rounds depending on how much actual combat Goldman thinks he needs. Then he works on the 160-pound and 60-pound bags and winds up with speed work on the light overhead bag."
>Meaning the super heavy bag was 160 and the normal one was 60 lbs.
Old newspaper articles on boxing are pretty amazing, they had no secrets back then and openly showed their training.
>60-65kg
lbs not kg ofc.
Bruce lee could kick his ass easily
>120 lbs
Lol, lmao even
He still kicks your ass Bradley Martyn.
How the frick did that little manlet get memed as the pinnacle strength for so many normies? Absolutely embarrassing.
People are gullible. People still believe traditional Chinese martial arts are effective despite every modern wing Chun fight ending bad for wing Chun. Even saw a TKD guy obliterate a wing Chun fighter and TKD isn't exactly known for being the most effective.
I would tie that rope man into pretzel shape and throw him like a frisbee out my skinny basement window.
Where's his dick?
Bruce lee is female
Asian
in yt women
he never fought , we can only speculate about how much of an actual "fighter" he was , he got the whole "traditional martial arts are fricking bullshit" philosophy right but no records of him actually fighting.
He has two documented fights. He lost both to men with less experience.
Lee couldn't kick anyone's ass. Dude was a fake.
You're a disgrace to all chinks worldwide.
Joe Louis was over the hill
Black folk spotted.
Marciano was great. Tyson was actually shit and everything said by Black folk about Marciano actually applies much more to Tyson: Weak era, only fighting cans, one dimensional technically etc.
neither marciano nor tyson were one dimensional "technically", whatever that means
ey rock, forget about it, it's alright
whatsamaddawithya
Where is the picture of Floyd Mayweather. Also Floyd had long arms for his height.
>underweight 5'10 dago boxer is the greatest fighter of all time
>at the height of the mobs power in the 50's
Guinea cope
>best fighter who ever lived
>most notable wins are 40 year old former middeweights and lightheavyweights
there is absolutely no proof of marciano ever being a mob fighter. stop coping
>didn't fight in the best Era
>beat a past his prime champion
>didn't stand the test of time in retiring early
He's far from the best fighter that ever lived, Jon Jones is actually the best fighter who has ever lived. Nice try sneaking it in though.
>Crotch sniffer
>Best fighter
Pick one. A prime Ali and Tyson kills chicken legs Jones
Delusional, both these guys would get submitted inside of 2 minutes.
If Jones goes for a Judo/Greco throw/trip they are going to sleep with him with a hook and if he shoots then he has a crisp upper cut waiting for him. You aren't going to RBY level low single in a street fight with no mats or Jordan Burroughs blast double with no mats and wrestling shoes.
Jones has never been knocked out. You are a delusional homosexual. Have you ever even done a combat sport?
2 time state placer in wrestling. I started to box and I learned the way of real fighting.
i'll wrassle ya
I'll just knee pull you and then cut you a couple times before hitting a lateral drop and pinning you.
Boxers get beat by grapplers 99% of the time, what are you smoking?
And grapplers get beat by boxers 100% of the time under rulesets that favour striking.
Hi-Diddily-Ho
>Let's pretend it's 1998
>>Let's pretend it's 1998
>the blood coming from his ear
rip
Go to IST bigger nerd than you had this debate. 60% of all mma matches end with KOs, not taps.
>they count ground and pound as a KO
Even if you're a better striker you still need better defensive grappling than your opponents offensive grappling to keep the fight standing
that's assuming guys who are either wrestlers by background or at the very least crosstrain in grappling extensively to stay on their feet
straight strikers with no grappling ability get taken down almost uniformly
>source: I made it up
source the first UFCs dumbass
>inb4 acting moronic defense
99% of "grapplers" look like they just bought a medal somewhere because they have no clue how to submit or control anybody on the ground. We used to see triangle chokes and twisters now it's BJJ blackbelts with "unstoppable" ground game who can't even rear naked choke like aljo.
Are you high? Grappling has a lot to do with position, so people with great wrestling or stand up can dominate most of the fight by putting themselves on top every single fight. Of course people who specialize in stand up will have worse ground game. That doesn't mean they are bad, but ground game specialists like black belt guard pullers will make their subs look bad in comparison. And vice versa with the black belts stand up. Just be well rounded in both.
Guess how I know you don't train a combat sport, homosexual.
How? I've probably been wrestling longer than you've been lifting.
Fights start standing up. Tyson literally has KOs within a minute
i think Marciano was the best heavyweight of all time but to call him anything more than a good fighter isnt right
his boxing was never his greatest attribute
>his boxing was never his greatest attribute
his thick wiener was!
fought one of the easiest eras
imo its either jack dempsey, sonny liston, or mike tyson
Tyson isn’t even top 10 mate
Tyson had talent and the best boxing coach(es) of all time take him under their wing kek... and he self destructed and pissed it all away. Anyways in his prime with proper coaching he was one of the best ever and entertaining to watch... just a bum to the core though.
Anyways Marciano's fights are entertaining. He got in the ring and had hard punishing fights- tests of willpower. All the greats by his time were sort of aging but that's not his fault he fought who was there to fight. What can you say bad about the guy I mean the record speaks for itself. He had a pretty decent head on his shoulders too and despite the hard fights he never seemed overtly fricked up. It's easy to see why his style was so loved.
Mayweather, I can't fault the guy for all his money and success but the fights fricking sucked. He is basically moronic (boxing didn't cause it thats just how he is). No one likes watching the fights, no willpower involves just technique. Again not to knock him but if the fans justifiably think your fights are gay that sort of kneecaps your legacy no matter how technically good it is.
Ali, sort of the total package I mean obviously entertaining to watch, huge willpower toughness and skill, great record in a loaded era. Probably the greatest in many ways but he was a fricking prick obviously and people aren't wrong to dislike him for his antics even though some of it had to be a good pro-wrestling approach to marketing. Anyways he paid the price for it... went out eating through a staw being fed cheerios in the end.
Foreman, very entertaining to watch. Likeable, just a puncher though (he got a little better on the come back) but never had any real skill. He could have beaten Ali but was just too goddam stupid to ever be a real boxer and have some good coaching etc. Having said that just look at his success despite his shortcomings. Despite some brutal fights he seemed to have never got his brains (such as they are) jumbled.
Sorry for tldr
Mayweather is two tales, him pre 147 and him at 147 and sometimes above. Pre 147 he was a beast, he combined speed, technique, accuracy, reflexes and power. Floyd at 147 didn't have the KO power and his hands were breaking down by that point so he had to settle for a points style. Prime Floyd was 135, Floyd at 147 was his older style.
It is very hard to make lightweight fights entertaining to start with- and Mayweather never entertained me very much. I don't think I am alone either I think most of the fans agree on that. And perhaps at certain points in his career the fights were better- that is probably true- but I watched too many boring gay ass fights from Mayweather and that sort of thing has a way of just ruining a legacy.
You know I could watch alot of activities that involve immense technical skill and never be entertained.... that is only a portion of what makes for a great fight imho and that is ALL Mayweather ever brought to the table.
>It is very hard to make lightweight fights entertaining to start with
How can you say that when Corrales-Castillo was a lightweight fight. Historically tons of HOF and ATG fighters had lightweight runs and dominations and even today lightweight is a stacked division.
There have been great ~lightweight fights kek I never said there weren't but when guys are basicly using popguns it just takes some of the fun out of it. Just as a spectator it is much harder to be entertained with such a lack of power that you see in the lower weight classes.
Just being brutally honest here. Just watch the Leonard fights kek it looks fricking badass at first but once you realize they are just sort of slap boxing it gets old and boring (generally speaking of course).
Young Foreman would’ve made Mike cry and old fat comeback Foreman would’ve beat his brakes off too
>Including Tyson
>No Ali
>No Foreman
You don't know shit.
Sugar ray robinson was the best pound for pound boxer to have ever lived
>old good, new bad
Frick off. Mayweather would dance around Robinson to an easy UD
What?! Tell me one aspect that SRR was not great at in boxing.
As good at Floyd is at defence, SRR has more KOs that Floyd has fights anyway.
Yeah nah.. not even close
he probably would have lost to the paul brothers
Enter
Dempsey had that dog in him
irrefutable
????
That's not Kimura
Kimura would destroy him and any other boxer
Everyone ITT is wrong
The best fighter ever is tall, heavy, strong, agile, insane reach and fight-smart, Jones doesn't even try hard and is still untouchable
Roids to the point where he has natural t levels of a elderly female
“Doesn’t try hard”
Man you people truly are frickin moronic
pic unrelated?
Have been in a martial arts freak for several years now. I do muay thai and jiu jutsu. Jon jones is the best fighter.
Any striker who comes to scrap like Reyes would end Jones. Thats why hes ducking Pavlovich
Jon Jones is the dirtiest fighter. Just give him a ref that actually calls his fouls and it's over for him - but the UFC protects him.
>roids
i laugh
>goes to heavyweight after losing a bunch of fights at LHW but the UFC covered it up because he's a draw
>fights LHWs while weighing 50lbs more than them
>ducking every actual heavyweight
Real beast.
You live in a fantasy world, homosexual. Every one of those statements was objectively incorrect.
He didn't beat Reyes, should've got a DQ loss again Smith, and lost to Santos. He couldn't even finish Anthony Smith which is a loss in itself.
>legacy of beating old cte addled middleweights from PRIDE
>roids his breasts off for old man Cormier
>loses to one legged Santos and Reyes
>ducks the entire division after losing and goes to a vacant heavyweight belt against a literal who frenchie surrender monkey with 0 grappling
What the neanderthal theory?
>Boxer
>Best fighter ever
Irrelevant. Sorry but thats facts. If your best fighter ever can only use his feet for moving in standing positions they are not eligible for this title. Period. Boxing sucks & always has.
>T. Person who is Not too tall. Not too heavy. Short reach. As compact as it gets.
Marciano had an inflated record.
The best fighters have long gorilla arms, thick wrists, massive hands, tree trunk legs, a dome forehead, and a neck that you wouldnt be able to fit a belt around.
I wish steroids didn’t exist so only the true genetic outliers were at the peak of sports instead of roidtrannies everywhere
the best fighter who ever lived was harry greb
The man was a century ahead of his competition
That's not me, I could mince all these guys with my eyes closed
The answer Is Lennox Lewis
Imagine the beating he would've gave to that overrated manlet Marciano
Cro magnon superiority, mate. Tall ogre looking dudes with about a third larger brains than humans. They just weren't as social as homosexual sapiens and got outfricked despite being bigger, stronger, and smarter.
sport for morons
>boxers
Lmao
Reminds me of a recent video I saw on Nicolino Locche.
He smoked 50 cigarettes a day to keep his weight down. Did almost zero conditioning.
Terrible record but still managed to have a long career. Shows him mogging a Japanese guy. I legit imagine this match was the inspiration for Don Flamenco vs Piston Honda.
Jones ducked Ngannou and Pavlovich, and never fought at 205 again after getting thrashed by Reyes. Jones also lost vs Gustafsson, but in his case and Reyes the judges robbed them blind
I haven't been following things lately did Jones really lose
Also he came back and thrashed gustafson and said he was sick the prior fight so since the first fight was a toss up I'd give jones the benefit considering all that
Yes he lost. Look up Jones vs Reyes on youtube.
>Jones def Reyes
ur funny
Dude was just a shonen protagonist
This is unironically the best fighter of all time. I think he beats prime Jon Jones. I think he becomes triple champ and likely undefeated.
every guy in this thread loses to a blast from my 45