No, I'm a fatty who is cutting, so no temptation yet.
I'm sure once I get back into decent shape and the body dysmorphia kicks in, then I'll start looking into juice and sarms and coping that I don't need them to get big.
I do have a large frame and good genetics/inserts though, so maybe I'll be happy once I lose the blubber.
Press S to fat shame me pls, thanks.
if people knew how much of a non-commitment steroids could be, they would abuse the frick out of them (and I'm not talking about morons like MPMD's knowledge of steroids). I've been abusing the fk out of them since 17yo. I'm 19 now, 0 signs of aging apart from great facial development and my skin is more supple and plump than a 14yos. The secret is you can take test orally, and No it does not kill your liver, it's actually been shown to cause recovery for NAFLD (PMID:14139786). It's also fast acting, so you take it every day, so less fluctuations and you're also not injecting poisonous oils into your muscles and now here's the kicker: you also don't get supressed, likely due to not needing the oils, and it also not increasing estrogen as much
inb4 some revolting MPMD acolyte OPTOOMIZER finasteride guzzling roid troony comes from me, keep believing pharmas lies which keep cheap and easy to access testosterone away from people
In the time where I used oral test, my skin or health indicators truly didn't age at all, though I did end up with a 190lb shredded physique at 6'3 (DNP helped too). You wish you could be me
not really. i intend to live till mid 80's and look young. so i take care of my skin and my health. I still look good so i dont need to roid up to " prove anything"
You can go ahead and roid till you get green sperm and to have your 5 years of glory idk. but that roids literally kill you is fact
you don't take roids because you don't need to prove something, so why do you do skin care then? If you could take sterons without the supposed aging, you would thus you wish you could b me.
i also don't roid anymore, I've reached peak appeal for sex0rs and for my own taste.
when it comes to roids aging or literally killing you, that's at best negligible and at worse false, given how complex and multifaceted health is. testosterone = good estrogen = bad (reductionist yes) but the main way test could do harm would b through increasing the metabolism which if one doesn't account for through food then the body will release free fatty acids, to be used for energy which age u.
having your eyes set on living to 80 seems like a vulgar and impotent way to live your life, y not take a bit of test, spice it up a bit?
> If you could take sterons without the supposed aging, you would thus you wish you could b me.
Firstly its not supposed to, its confirmed. And also why do i wish to be you? If i would use steroids i could surely surpass you without much effort.
And how long did you stop taking roids? You are still in puberty and growing so your decline isnt really starting yet.
> when it comes to roids aging or literally killing you, that's at best negligible and at worse false,
You are literally denouncing science. So why are all those bodybuilder suddenly dying by heartattacks? Probably the vax right? 😉
>having your eyes set on living to 80 seems like a vulgar and impotent way to live your life, y not take a bit of test, spice it up a bit?
Well if you want to prostitute arround and die when you are still young its propably the best lifestyle you could do. But for me who wants to see their kids growing up and be for them when they get older its only natural to stay there as long as i can and want
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I'm just fricking around and being a douche tbh man, but there are levels to steroids and my 700mg a week of oral test, which is much healthier than injectable which gives you high blood pressure, gyno etc. for 1 year and 4 months, to get to what I would consider a very respectable physique which I can maintain for the rest of my life going to the gym 2 times a week natty is healthier than the natties who exert and put themselves into an energy deficit 6 days a week for years in search for 100 grams of muscle tissue
bodybuilders are morons and aren't representative of roids in a more controlled manner. They're juiced up on many many grams a week, estrogen through the roof, eating huge amounts of inflammatory food so they can grow their muscles through cancerous mechanisms (literally uncontrolled cell growth). Vax does not help either of course
you reveal your inability for critical thought by parroting bullshit. you think when you take steroids it flips a switch and now the brain is finito'd? kys useless pathetic moron
Unironically if you can quit smoking after only 2 years the odds of long term negative effects are close to zero.
It's when you have 10+ years of build up that problems start to crop up.
not pills, micronized testosterone base (no ester). You can buy it from chyna or purplepandalabs. you can put 100mg in a cup of water and it'll probably raise your levels even higher than injecting. personally, I made a vitamin E and olive oil, testosterone mix. the basis behind it is that vitamin E is taken to the body through the chylomicrons, big groups of triglycerides, and if you happen to dissolve testosterone in the vitamin E then the testosterone could also hide behind those chylomicrons to go directly into the blood stream, like endogenously produced. even taking powder alone is fine too tho.
testosterone is just like every other hormone, progesterone, oestrogen, cortisol etc. they're all bioavailable orally. the usual defence people have against this is it damages the liver but that's not the case.
Well I looked it up and people seem to universally agree that it has terrible bioavailability orally and some other people do say T is bad for the liver
this is why you dont take anything you read on the internet seriously. imagine a 19 yo expert educating you on steroids and health lol
man im truly greatful for your two cents
Not for me. I’m fine with my natty progress, even though it’s slow. I’m too concerned about the health risks of roids. It doesn’t bother me that other people roid, though. That’s their choice.
No, I don't want to deal with the hassle of learning. If I were to roid my tism would force me to learn everything about pharmacology/steroids and I just don't want to spend the time doing that.
Yes. I've thought about doing just ONE single cycle, and then stopping afterwards. There can't be that much harm from a single cycle, I doubt you'd have any long term health problems. >b-but you won't do just one cycle, you'll want to do a second and a third and etc
I have self control, it's not like testosterone is heroin
Not all steroids are the dark side
The dark side is 19nors like tren that frick up your health. A little bit of test/primo/anavar is just a little treat
I've been on SARMS before, that's the closest I've come >shoo SARMS goblin, placebo
I responded well, the size and strength progression and recovery speaks for itself.
Yeah it's tempting. Did gh in my 20s and recovered like a madman. now, with age, recovery is taking longer and it would be nice.. except for the whole cancer thing
also stopped gh for health reasons so no point in doing other shit that also fricks with your health.
I've done 4 cycles in my time and it's not worth it. Pct and the recovery period after is so fricking harsh on my body and mentally for me and my mates I've trained with at least. Staying on all year round is pretty grim, you're litteraly living a fake life
No not even slightly. They're awful for your health and ruin the grind and enjoyment that is fitness. I don't covet the enhanced look, I think it's grotesque and unnatural. Or rather it is literally unnatural which is why I and most people find it grotesque. I understand the bodybuilder look takes sacrifice and discipline, but for vanity at the cost of longevity I just cannot respect it. Also, I pride myself on not being a drug addict and gearheads are unfortunately very often mentally ill drug addicts
Yes. I'd hop on gear right now if I wasn't worried about the negative side effects it could have on my liver, endocrine system, and heart.
>and ruin the grind and enjoyment that is fitness
Personally I have never found any enjoyment in exercise, ever. I like the results and sometimes I feel proud of myself after getting through a routine, but other than that it isn't enjoyable at all.
>Roiders never post body without claiming natty. >I'm already jacked for a natty without roids. >I don't want to be more jacked than that.
Believe it or not, not everyone wants to carry 300lbs of bodyweight around and eat 10,000 calories every day. But if that's you (it's not because you'll just look natty like 99% of roiders) then go for it.
No, I'm a fatty who is cutting, so no temptation yet.
I'm sure once I get back into decent shape and the body dysmorphia kicks in, then I'll start looking into juice and sarms and coping that I don't need them to get big.
I do have a large frame and good genetics/inserts though, so maybe I'll be happy once I lose the blubber.
Press S to fat shame me pls, thanks.
yeah I do an anavar+test cycle every couple years and lift heavy, then make more progress in 2 months than a year of natty lifting
its hard to cope after that, so I always go back and do it again
How much of those gains do you keep?
inb4 semen retention homosexual shits on this thread
Make it more obvious you're a coomer
Why should i want to ruin my health and my body for some years of having a good structure if i can also achieve a good body trough normal workout?
if people knew how much of a non-commitment steroids could be, they would abuse the frick out of them (and I'm not talking about morons like MPMD's knowledge of steroids). I've been abusing the fk out of them since 17yo. I'm 19 now, 0 signs of aging apart from great facial development and my skin is more supple and plump than a 14yos. The secret is you can take test orally, and No it does not kill your liver, it's actually been shown to cause recovery for NAFLD (PMID:14139786). It's also fast acting, so you take it every day, so less fluctuations and you're also not injecting poisonous oils into your muscles and now here's the kicker: you also don't get supressed, likely due to not needing the oils, and it also not increasing estrogen as much
inb4 some revolting MPMD acolyte OPTOOMIZER finasteride guzzling roid troony comes from me, keep believing pharmas lies which keep cheap and easy to access testosterone away from people
see you in 10 years when you look like 50
In the time where I used oral test, my skin or health indicators truly didn't age at all, though I did end up with a 190lb shredded physique at 6'3 (DNP helped too). You wish you could be me
not really. i intend to live till mid 80's and look young. so i take care of my skin and my health. I still look good so i dont need to roid up to " prove anything"
You can go ahead and roid till you get green sperm and to have your 5 years of glory idk. but that roids literally kill you is fact
you don't take roids because you don't need to prove something, so why do you do skin care then? If you could take sterons without the supposed aging, you would thus you wish you could b me.
i also don't roid anymore, I've reached peak appeal for sex0rs and for my own taste.
when it comes to roids aging or literally killing you, that's at best negligible and at worse false, given how complex and multifaceted health is. testosterone = good estrogen = bad (reductionist yes) but the main way test could do harm would b through increasing the metabolism which if one doesn't account for through food then the body will release free fatty acids, to be used for energy which age u.
having your eyes set on living to 80 seems like a vulgar and impotent way to live your life, y not take a bit of test, spice it up a bit?
i do skincare to look good when i go old.
> If you could take sterons without the supposed aging, you would thus you wish you could b me.
Firstly its not supposed to, its confirmed. And also why do i wish to be you? If i would use steroids i could surely surpass you without much effort.
And how long did you stop taking roids? You are still in puberty and growing so your decline isnt really starting yet.
> when it comes to roids aging or literally killing you, that's at best negligible and at worse false,
You are literally denouncing science. So why are all those bodybuilder suddenly dying by heartattacks? Probably the vax right? 😉
>having your eyes set on living to 80 seems like a vulgar and impotent way to live your life, y not take a bit of test, spice it up a bit?
Well if you want to prostitute arround and die when you are still young its propably the best lifestyle you could do. But for me who wants to see their kids growing up and be for them when they get older its only natural to stay there as long as i can and want
I'm just fricking around and being a douche tbh man, but there are levels to steroids and my 700mg a week of oral test, which is much healthier than injectable which gives you high blood pressure, gyno etc. for 1 year and 4 months, to get to what I would consider a very respectable physique which I can maintain for the rest of my life going to the gym 2 times a week natty is healthier than the natties who exert and put themselves into an energy deficit 6 days a week for years in search for 100 grams of muscle tissue
bodybuilders are morons and aren't representative of roids in a more controlled manner. They're juiced up on many many grams a week, estrogen through the roof, eating huge amounts of inflammatory food so they can grow their muscles through cancerous mechanisms (literally uncontrolled cell growth). Vax does not help either of course
>oral test
>calling anybody a moron
Great bait
What a fricking Black person, stuck with a 17 year old brain forever. AHAHAHHA.
you reveal your inability for critical thought by parroting bullshit. you think when you take steroids it flips a switch and now the brain is finito'd? kys useless pathetic moron
Lol
The impact of roids on your health between 17 and 19 has nothing to do with the impact they'll have in your 20's and 30's
> Smoked regularly from age 17
> I'm 19 now and I'm fine
> guess smoking doesn't give you cancer after all!
Unironically if you can quit smoking after only 2 years the odds of long term negative effects are close to zero.
It's when you have 10+ years of build up that problems start to crop up.
Wdym take test orally like pills?
not pills, micronized testosterone base (no ester). You can buy it from chyna or purplepandalabs. you can put 100mg in a cup of water and it'll probably raise your levels even higher than injecting. personally, I made a vitamin E and olive oil, testosterone mix. the basis behind it is that vitamin E is taken to the body through the chylomicrons, big groups of triglycerides, and if you happen to dissolve testosterone in the vitamin E then the testosterone could also hide behind those chylomicrons to go directly into the blood stream, like endogenously produced. even taking powder alone is fine too tho.
testosterone is just like every other hormone, progesterone, oestrogen, cortisol etc. they're all bioavailable orally. the usual defence people have against this is it damages the liver but that's not the case.
So why don't more people do it? What were your bloods like?
Well I looked it up and people seem to universally agree that it has terrible bioavailability orally and some other people do say T is bad for the liver
are seriously drinking test base?
where do you morons come up with this shit?
>inb4 some revolting MPMD acolyte OPTOOMIZER finasteride guzzling roid troony comes from me
When is it due?
this is why you dont take anything you read on the internet seriously. imagine a 19 yo expert educating you on steroids and health lol
man im truly greatful for your two cents
It's hilarious. Why do we even come here. What the frick is oral test hahaha. This k is probably just taking some prohormones
Post body, and prove that taking test orally is really the effective super cheat code that you claim it is.
Not for me. I’m fine with my natty progress, even though it’s slow. I’m too concerned about the health risks of roids. It doesn’t bother me that other people roid, though. That’s their choice.
No, I don't want to deal with the hassle of learning. If I were to roid my tism would force me to learn everything about pharmacology/steroids and I just don't want to spend the time doing that.
No, I have 0 interest in being a roid troony.
Yes. I've thought about doing just ONE single cycle, and then stopping afterwards. There can't be that much harm from a single cycle, I doubt you'd have any long term health problems.
>b-but you won't do just one cycle, you'll want to do a second and a third and etc
I have self control, it's not like testosterone is heroin
>run a cheeky cycle
>look great for 3 months
>once you stop pinning your saucy gainz melt away and you're left feeling like shit
what's the point
Green goblin is OG PED
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was the green goblin on tren? is that why he went berserk
Not all steroids are the dark side
The dark side is 19nors like tren that frick up your health. A little bit of test/primo/anavar is just a little treat
>dyels can have a little oral of ANAVAR, as a treat
No. Never. Why would I want to look like a freak?
Besides, I already have heart issues. Roids are a guaranteed ticket to an early grave for me.
No
I've been on SARMS before, that's the closest I've come
>shoo SARMS goblin, placebo
I responded well, the size and strength progression and recovery speaks for itself.
Yeah it's tempting. Did gh in my 20s and recovered like a madman. now, with age, recovery is taking longer and it would be nice.. except for the whole cancer thing
also stopped gh for health reasons so no point in doing other shit that also fricks with your health.
>Does the dark side temp you? (steroids)
no
I have never seriously considered it but I'm also not an insecure little b***h so that's probably why.
I've done 4 cycles in my time and it's not worth it. Pct and the recovery period after is so fricking harsh on my body and mentally for me and my mates I've trained with at least. Staying on all year round is pretty grim, you're litteraly living a fake life
What makes it fake
Because you only look like you do due to the steroids. I realised that I'm happy without them
Eh, sometimes. But I plan to lifespan mog roiders so who gives a shit.
No not even slightly. They're awful for your health and ruin the grind and enjoyment that is fitness. I don't covet the enhanced look, I think it's grotesque and unnatural. Or rather it is literally unnatural which is why I and most people find it grotesque. I understand the bodybuilder look takes sacrifice and discipline, but for vanity at the cost of longevity I just cannot respect it. Also, I pride myself on not being a drug addict and gearheads are unfortunately very often mentally ill drug addicts
Yes. I'd hop on gear right now if I wasn't worried about the negative side effects it could have on my liver, endocrine system, and heart.
>and ruin the grind and enjoyment that is fitness
Personally I have never found any enjoyment in exercise, ever. I like the results and sometimes I feel proud of myself after getting through a routine, but other than that it isn't enjoyable at all.
how effective is gear for growing slow twitch muscle fibres? I'm talking forearms and calves
Never.
Not at all
If I'm still incel by 23 I'm taking every gear I can and becoming a weapon of mass destruction
I actually did this except at 18 and I successfully got laid a lot with hot girls in college. Basically anon, dont wait lol
>Roiders never post body without claiming natty.
>I'm already jacked for a natty without roids.
>I don't want to be more jacked than that.
Believe it or not, not everyone wants to carry 300lbs of bodyweight around and eat 10,000 calories every day. But if that's you (it's not because you'll just look natty like 99% of roiders) then go for it.
Nope. Don't have the disposable income to buy it, and don't know a guy that sells it so there's nothing to temp when the option simply isn't there.
not at all
i lift for practical use