Don't listen to the meat heads in here that say you can't get enough protein on a vegan diet. I just made 3.5 pounds of vegan deli meat for $10.
Don't listen to the meat heads in here that say you can't get enough protein on a vegan diet.
Don't listen to the meat heads in here that say you can't get enough protein on a vegan diet. I just made 3.5 pounds of vegan deli meat for $10.
sliced up
christ... please be a troll. not only this looks like a literal oversized turd i leave in a toilet once every 4 days of eating only meat, milk, cheese, fish and eggs
FINISH YOUR SENTENCE
cant be bothered
No further proof needed to display why vegans are mentally ill.
Would
>vegan deli meat
Why do vegans lie to themselves like this? Eating food that both tastes and looks like meat. This is like me shoving a cucumber up my ass and telling everyone Im not gay because its not the real thing
This looks like a rock hard turd and vomit mixture that solidified in the desert. The gorilla food pellets look more appetizing and less dry than this man made horror
>vegan
It's none of your fucking business. I eat meat because I simply enjoy it, I enjoy the taste.
If gay animals didn't want to be eaten, they should've built civilizations.
Yeahhh uhhh lemme get the uhhh muhfuggin McDinosaur Turd
Sometimes i come back to the thread just to see this post
Grim.
imagine the smell
Don't listen to these fags OP. Your sliced up vegan deli meat almost passes for sliced roast beef. Keep doing what you're doing.
not even close
>posting raw meat
anon you dumb moron, why do you think its called roast beef?
>wanting weird things to "pass"
I'm seeing some pattern here...
I don't think I could make something more revolting if I tried
Why are you eating your own turds?
cleanit up jannie
while this looks really appetizing and not at all like poop and unfinished bread, I'm afraid I'm just not going to eat it, or any other substitute for meat.
I know. I know! ugh.
but I'm just not gonna eat the bugs, lol
>but I'm just not gonna eat the bugs, lol
Can I have your bugs? Not gonna eat them either but I will give them to one of man's best friends.
>This Comic
>If you support a movement in one circumstance
>That means you support all movements in any circumstances
Do you unironically think people who "support trans rights" (a mental illness like anorexia) aren't essentially 100% COVID vax'd? Do you seriously think there's no link between being "vaccinated and boosted!" and "supporting trans rights?"
This is some next-level goychow shit. Holy shit.
Anon please don't eat that.
i'd probably love this in my sandwich
So would any scatfag.
That really looks disgusting, and probably taste as bad and is weak nutrition-wise, with a lot of useless fibers, phytoestrogens and cancerous stuff.
You should stop with larping your foods into meat and just enjoy normal tasty vegetable things (plus eat animal products so you won't get sick).
>vegan deli meat
Cool, but don't call it meat, because if it was meat you wouldn't be a vegan.
People also refer to the innards of certain vegetables and mushrooms as "meat". So that's a poop take you got there
I see you really appreciated the meat of my poop take there.
I'm honestly shocked that the scientific world and the culinary world aren't constantly fighting. "Vegetable" is a nonsense pseudo-clade, yet its culinary usage has people thinking there's a biological basis in the difference between fruits and """vegetables"""
>yet its culinary usage has people thinking there's a biological basis in the difference between fruits and """vegetables"""
wait a minute there isn't?Wasn't there something about fruits having seeds or something?
I think as an actual word it's meaningless (scientifically, botanically, whatever), but how I like to apply it is: fruits are delicious things that make you want to eat seeds and vegetables are all of the nasty parts of a plant only delusional/confused people eat (leaves, stems, seeds), as well as tubers (which are good).
>only delusional/confused people eat
Imagine hating saurkraut, broccoli, cucumbers, garlic & onions. What the actual fuck.
No one has ever said that
Its marrow, actually. Some tarded vegans call it marrow, not meat.
This is a bald faced lie. Absolutely nobody has ever said this. Why spread disinformation?
It's flesh, not meat. Tard
Looks like literal shit
looks about the same as cured meat and blood sausages
so?
>looks about the same as cured meat and blood sausages
hahahahahahaha the vegan delusion. Eating literal slop and calling it "just like the real thing"
what are you talking about, it looks the same as cured meat
hahahaha are you color blind bro?! Did the vegan diet completely destroy your eyesight?!
are you retarded, you are just coping at this point
All I can see is dark red and some spot of white, those are some good looking chorizos.
hahahaha and you want to compare them your brownish green turd?! hahaha vegans are so silly!
they look similar, you are just coping
not him but no they don't. And even if, who the fuck cares about looks or even taste. What matters is nutrition, and your indigestible gluten slop will never be as nutritious as meat
hahaha one is made from digestible blood and one is made of fiberslop. Vegans are the new clowns, so funny!
Yes massa gimme that good slop!
Oh so you are not saying they don't look the same similar and now shifting the goalpost, I accept your concession.
>What matters is nutrition
Seitan is good for protein, that's all, no one said seitan is as nutrient dense as let say legumes or potatoes
>nutritious as meat
Meat is unhealthy so whatever nutrients you get out of it is irrelevant
>Meat is unhealthy
>just trust me bro
Vegans everyone
Meat is high in saturated fat and saturated increases ldl which increases heart disease, so by induction meat is unhealthy
lol again with the meat's saturated fat cope
Enjoy your seed oils my bro
You're right about saturated fat, but lean meat exists. And wild meat is always lean
He's wrong and our ancestors ate and prioritized the fat.
Yes, not many cuts are marbled like a ribeye you can find in the grocery store today, but there is fat aplenty on the types of animals humans prioritized hunting.
>LDL
You don't even know what that means.
What does level ldl mean? Ldl carries cholesterol, there's no more to it.
Wrong, saturated fat is not always correlated to heart issues and high cholesterol. Vegans love this lie, but look gay when they keep repeating it.
>saturated fat is not always correlated to heart issues and high cholesterol.
it literally is
>Vegans love this lie
don't have to be a fucking vegan to live in reality
kys liar
fuck you. post one study showing decrease in cholesterol and heart disease the more saturated fat is eaten, i've seen that asked here so many times,never seen you retards deliver. now I'm asking. deliver.
moron every single case of heart disease is caused by plant oils, talk to any surgeon or look it up, you eat a diet that gives you cancer and heart disease.
What the fuck. You ketoschizos really try a complete reality reversal. kys
^This is what being terminally online does to a moron
Gluten (wich is what seitan is made of) is a terrible - one of the worst, actually - source of protein, since it lacks a lot of aminoacids.
You mean one of the best, one pound of seitan has almost 100g of protein
>since it lacks a lot of aminoacids
It doesn't lack any amino acid, and is not like that matters because that's a meme, what matters is total protein not individual amino acids
gluten in high amounts is known to actually absorb nutrients and on top of that it does not give you anything whatsoever.
sure, satan may be 100 % protein but its bioavailability is close to 0
on top of that it causes massive brainfog which might explain your ramblings
>but its bioavailability is close to 0
What's the evidence for that, because the evidence I have seen puts seitan as one of the most absorbable types of protein
>The true ileal digestibility (TID)
>This study evaluated it for seitan (wheat-based food), tofu (soya-based food), soya milk, and a pea emulsion
> The TID of the proteins was high and not significantly different between the foods tested: 97% for seitan, 95% for tofu, 92% for soya milk and 94% for pea emulsion.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814620318823
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_quality
Look at "wheat."
So? That's a wikipedia article, I posted a study about True ileal amino acid digestibility, you claimed seitan is close to 0 bioavailable but my study says is 97% biovailable, or are you shifting the goalpost to talk about "amino acid score" now?
>asked for evidence
>given a composite article with multiple protein ranking standards and 40 studies worth of evidence
>now trying to debate some schizo protein score no one has ever heard of before
I don't really know what you want. Do you even know what "true ileal amino acid digestibility" means? Why are you responding to me?
Where's the evidence that seitan biovailability is close to 0, which is what you claimed, I'm waiting
>where's the evidence
It's pretty common knowledge. I posted the Wikipedia article with 40 sources and a table on bioavailability. Do you want me to pick a source from the Wikipedia article at random or something? lol
Yeah sure pick one thing from the article that lead you to the belief that "seitan has close to 0 bioavailability" cause I really don't know how you are reaching that conclusion
I think you're being intentionally obtuse.
97% bioavailable wheat?
Your the stupidest fucking garden gnome if you believe that.
And it is amino acid profile completeness + bioavailability.
All in all everything else than meat, dairy, eggs is cope and should account no more than 50% of stated protein.
So if you need 140 grams of protein, you would need about 300 of plant based sources to come close... nah. Thats why you fuckers also always cope with how much protein you need. Massive dissonance nothing less nothing more.
Your just a neurotic garden gnome.
This looks like you shat in a condom.
This IS shit in a condom.
Are you falling into some kind of sunk cost falacy? Get real, these are turd filled condoms, not a fucking chorizo or salami
Hi spaintard here, don't insult chorizos by comparing it with your gunk else you'll stop being vegan via violent railing
Why does it even matter if they look the same again? How much protein is in
All processed food is slop
That’s gross europoor food, but still somehow better than the abomination OP posted
Blood sausages are based as fuck and very tasty.
Only gays don't like them.
Lol europoors will eat shit, call Americans stupid for not eating the shit, and then beg us to protect them when the mongoloid russians invade in the same breath.
Your houses are tiny, your food sucks, your women don’t shave their pits, and you’ll never know what it’s like to be an American Chad. It’s fucking amazing, I don’t have to take public transportation to get fuckin groceries and see all the pots on the gay ass trolley. I carry a 9mm wherever I go. I smoke weed legally without fear. I don’t pay a fucking tax to buy a tv and I don’t need a license to go outside. All your continent is good for is visiting to see history (cause there’s no fuckin future there) and for being a necessary sponge to intake all the Syrians so we don’t have to look at em.
eat shit retard
I’ll stick with my readily available American steak and potatoes, seasoned, and some hot sauce on the side.
If you like eating shit though, you’re in the right place europoor. Why not enjoy a nice blood sausage and spargle? Oh no, not enough money because you can’t afford the gas bill and you pay retarded amounts of rent for a flat that’s falling apart? Lmao fuckin Europeans, when will they learn
eat shit moron
Sorry I don’t eat gross European food. Stay mad europoor
eat shit gay
>then beg us to protect them
Die for us, mutt
>your women don’t shave their pits
Where did this American myth start, I've never seen a girl in Europe with hairy armpits
>I don’t have to take public transportation to get fuckin groceries
Neither do I, I walk 100m to the store and back, might be a bit much of an exercise for Americans tho
>I carry a 9mm wherever I go
I personally don't really need one (there is literally no violent crime here) but if I wanted one I can get a license for it
>I smoke weed legally without fear
So do I
>Syrians
None of them here
Enjoy living around morons and Hispanics as your government fucks you more every year
>die for us
Lmao fat chance pussies, keep begging tho it’s cute
>where does this come from
Tell your a European virgin without telling me. How you gonna talk shit when I’ve gotten more snizz on your continent than you? Stereotypes are there for a reason. People says it because it’s true you fuckin pussy
>I walk 100m
Lmao wow that’s so amazing you live 100m from a grocery store. That means your fucking poor idiot, you have no privacy. Over here that property would be unwanted, but I know you guys don’t really have freehold estates and rent forever, so these are foreign concepts to you
>I could get a license if wanted
BAHAHAHAA, this has to be a fucking joke. You guys are hilarious. I can’t even imagine having to hope I get approved for license. What a fuckin comedy
>so do I
Your weed sucks though, American west coast marijuana is the best in the world
>no Syrians
lucky you. I don’t see minorities, I’m wealthy and own property (you can do that here) in a wealthy area
Enjoy your fake curry and rolling blackouts, virgin pussy
>Tell your a European virgin without telling me. How you gonna talk shit when I’ve gotten more snizz on your continent than you? Stereotypes are there for a reason. People says it because it’s true you fuckin pussy
You must be fucking some foul bitches
>Lmao wow that’s so amazing you live 100m from a grocery store. That means your fucking poor idiot, you have no privacy. Over here that property would be unwanted, but I know you guys don’t really have freehold estates and rent forever, so these are foreign concepts to you
Yeah no, I'm not rich since I'm 2 years out of high school and daddy isn't gonna pay for my life
>BAHAHAHAA, this has to be a fucking joke. You guys are hilarious. I can’t even imagine having to hope I get approved for license. What a fuckin comedy
It's just a basic firearm safety course, while I don't mind natural selection taking it's course I've seen way to many Americans kill each other cause they had no gun discipline to really care about this
>lucky you. I don’t see minorities, I’m wealthy and own property (you can do that here) in a wealthy area
I can own property to and we don't have property tax
>Enjoy your fake curry and rolling blackouts, virgin pussy
Don't really eat curry enough to care and we never have blackout, blackouts are probably a million times more common where you're at considering the state of the American infrastructure
Amerimutt ass blown open
Forgot this one
>Your weed sucks though, American west coast marijuana is the best in the world
No one in Europe sells good weed to tourists
>blood sausages are good
>reeeeeeee europoor russia reeee
Holy projection and cope.
I fucking hate mutts like you wouldn't believe.
You people are so easy to manipulate.
have a nice day retard.
Cured meats are gross and for poor people? Christ the taste of people from third world countries like the US is truly something else.
Blood sausage I can understand not being liked by everyone but I think it's good.
How much protein is in that lumb of shit, and how much iron (the proper heme kind) and other minerals, vitamins and complete amino acid chains?
You don't need those things to save animal's
how much calcium, vitamin c and manganese in meat? Ah right zero
Except I still eat vegetables too retard.
Vitamin c is literally named after meat where it was first discovered. Holy shit, brain rot.
You get all of those from meat, but the guys who grow plants have decided to mark meat as not having those qualities to promote vegetation that doesn't even have nutrition due to fiber.
you don't get any relevant intake from it, and i don't care about anecdotes
The fact people on the carnivore diet don't get any sort of vitamin deficiencies even after years on the diet means that you're wrong. Simple. If you were right, I would be dead, long ago. So would many other people.
have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
To add to that, I actually had a blood panel recently, and all my minerals at least are on the upper end of normal. Didn't check my vitamins, but I feel great, so why would I suspect deficiencies?
>Didn't check my vitamins,
Ok, and your ldl through the roof I guess
>so why would I suspect deficiencies?
have you considered that maybe you were mentally deficient ?
>The fact people on the carnivore diet don't get any sort of vitamin deficiencies even after years on the diet means that you're wrong
What's the evidence for that? And no I still don't care about anecdotes
> Simple. If you were right, I would be dead
No, are you stupid, you could have the worse diet in the world but chronic diseases only show up after several years, you can look it up yourself, just google average age of people getting X chronic disease
Scurvy is supposed to happen after weeks of no intake, Moxy. And vegans are CONFIRMED to be massively, grotesquely deficient in many fat soluble vitamins, B12 for starters. You all look like corpses, lmao. While the carnivore proponents look, well, beautiful. Even the Peterson woman is good looking.
Sigh, even the AHA agrees that dietary cholesterol intake has nothing to do with blood cholesterol. They admitted that back in 2015.
No, because that would be cultural appropriation
have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
>Scurvy is supposed to happen after weeks of no intake
What's the evidence for that?
>And vegans are CONFIRMED to be massively, grotesquely deficient in many fat soluble vitamins, B12 for starters.
What's the evidence for that? Also you can get b12 with fortified food or supplements, so unless you are not doing thatyou will never be defficient in b12,
I can show you if you want clinical trials as well as studies that just debunk the claim that vegans are "grotesquely deficient in many fat soluble vitamins"
>You all look like corpses, lmao. While the carnivore proponents look, well, beautiful. Even the Peterson woman is good looking.
These are anecdotes, I don't care
>dietary cholesterol
What, who mentioned dietary cholesterol, they are completely are completely different things LDL and dietary cholesterol, are you really this ignorant or was just this a mistake
Good lord. You are a midwit, aren't you?
>evidence for that
Sigh, you fucking retard, everybody with even a basic understanding of human health knows that scurvy is not a long term disease. You're supposed to develop scurvy within weeks to months. Sailors used to get it on even relatively short cruises. Next you're of course going to tell me sailors ate dried meat and fish, lmao. They didn't, btw, they ate ships biscuit and got some grog. Officers got meat, and officers didn't get scurvy.
>show prooooofffss
no, can't be bothered, and asking for sources and studies is, almost without exception, a shield that midwits and morons hide behind. Too lazy to look into an argument, too uneducated to already have a grounding in the subject, all you cretinous, pustulous turds do is screech for studies, that you never read, that you have no ability to read, that you wouldn't understand even if you did read them. And you do it not to find out more, you do it hoping your interlocutor throws his hands up in frustration.
>anecdotes
anecdotes are better than modern science
>cholesterol
you said that my ldl was probably sky high because of my meat only diet. It is not, and I told you that dietary cholesterol has no impact on ldl. Which is true. Another reason why I think you're a midwit, you can't follow a simple thread of reasoning. Could also be a sign of B12 deficiency.
have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
>You're supposed to develop scurvy within weeks to months. Sailors used to get it on even relatively short cruises. Next you're of course going to tell me sailors ate dried meat and fish
Ok you are talking about history here, can you show me a real study or
>no, can't be bothered, and asking for sources and studies is, almost without exception, a shield that midwits and morons hide behind.
So you really don't care about being honest or not
>you said that my ldl was probably sky high because of my meat only diet. It is not
What's the evidence for that? Also what's your age, if you are in your 20's there's no way your ldl can be high even if you do a meme diet like the carnivore diet for a year or so
>I told you that dietary cholesterol has no impact on ldl
No one claimed that to begin with, it's the saturated fat that has impact on ldl while dietary cholesterol has little to nothing, you are just strawmaning here
>anecdotes are better than modern science
Yeah you are a fucking retard, that's for sure.
You are a fucking garden gnome. I am certain of it. You argue like a fucking garden gnome, you talk like a fucking garden gnome. Your kind disgusts me.
To add to that, what I am doing here, you tard, is attacking your central axiom. Modern studies are WORTHLESS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
Science as a whole is utterly corrupt. All the studies you linked are just as likely to be cherrypicked garbage. In fact, I am willing to bet my entire investment portfolio that they are, starting with the fact that almost all dietary studies are epidemiological garbage that should never have passed peer review, if peer review wasn't a scam. First principles, personal experience and primary observations are the ONLY things we can trust. Your insistence on "studies" is disingenuous, or at best deluded and naive. Again, it marks you as a midwit at best, a retard more likely.
I know that carnivores I know look great, and perform great. I know my health got better after going on carnivore. I know all the vegans I know look like shit. I know they act angry all the time, I know they look like corpses. That tells me what I am doing is right, and what they are doing is wrong. That's all I really need, to be honest. Pseudointellectual retards like you collecting "studies", without the SLIGHTEST conception of how to actually read or interpret a study, are just another reason why academia is dead. You're a cargo cultist, plain and simple.
Again, Moxyte, you are a Dunning Kruger victim, a retard whom nobody likes, and you should have a nice day. Nothing good awaits you in this life, its all downhill from here. And be honest with yourself, are you happy with the way you're spending your time? I bet you're not.
Two years down the road you will lie in your bed at night thinking about these kinds of posts you made, like the protagonist of a bildungsroman.
I won't remember any of them by tomorrow, more likely.
Replication crisis refers to liberal arts which pulls untestable unverifiable claims out its ass. One prominent example is “gender identity”. It doesn’t apply to natural science including medicine and nutrition science. Both operate on same principles as physics and chemistry.
>It doesn’t apply to natural science including medicine and nutrition science.
wrong
TOP KEK if you actually believe this.
medicine is a corner cutting engineering field loosely related to biology, and biology doesn't have great replication either. lmao
imagine thinking medicine is "science".
and nutritional "science"? the history of what is told to the public about supposedly healthy and unhealthy foods says all you need to know about that field. it's like homeopathy in that what nutritionists tell people is rarely going to harm or heal them quickly, so they can just keep being wrong for decades and decades (like most doctors) and never even realize it themselves. at least when doctors fuck up people die and you can measure their successes and failures pretty well. with nutrition it's just placebo effect and marketing schemes all the way down. there is no foundation. they know nothing (in a scientific way).
>typed all that
>still didn't bother to look up how long it takes scurvy to happen
I would be amazed at the combination of your stubbornness and stupidity, but you think the image in the OP actually looks tasty and like deli meat, so you are most certainly delusional and/or mentally ill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy
>Early symptoms are malaise and lethargy. After one to three months, patients develop shortness of breath and bone pain.
Also lol'ing at you asking for LDL over and over again without ever mentioning HDL. Someone's understanding of nutritional science is 40 years behind the modern understanding. Even if frogposter had a sky high LDL, if he had a sky high HDL it would place him in the lowest-risk category (this is proven with science, see the image).
> without ever mentioning HDL
Hdl is irrelevant, you are the one who's 40 behind in modern understading, Ldl has been an independent risk indicator for decades already regardless of Hdl
Here's a meta regression and systematic reviews of multiple clinical trials who supersede your trash blury image of observational an observational study
> each mmol/L LDL-C lowered was associated with a relative risk reduction in major vascular events of 12% (95% CI, 8%–16%) for year 1, 20% (95% CI, 16%–24%) for year 3, 23% (95% CI, 18%–27%) for year 5, and 29% (95% CI, 14%–42%) for year 7.
>In conclusion, these results indicate greater proportional risk reduction per mmol/L LDL-C reduction with increasing duration of treatment. This finding suggests that the causal effect of LDL-C on the risk of ASCVD is determined by both the absolute magnitude and the cumulative duration of exposure to LDL-C
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCOUTCOMES.121.008552
>"regardless of Hdl"
>posts a study that doesn't mention HDL at all
Well that was pretty cringe. You actually are confirming what I'm saying by posting studies that avoid mentioning HDL. Most people have low HDL, by the way, so your study is in direct line with mine. Also, my "blurry image" is from a very well-known study with its own Wikipedia article, no surprise you haven't heard of it.
Here, I'll link it for you so you can read up on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham_Heart_Study
Feel free to post a study that mentions HDL next time. The study you posted this time (which you didn't understand at all) has nothing to do with what you were saying. I think the B12 deficiency is starting to get to you.
Also lol'ing at this general notion:
>no, the idea that molecules that work together in your body are related is such an old idea
>the modern understanding is that one molecule is a scary boogeyman and the sole predictor of health
>HDL and LDL, despite being related, don't affect each other whatsoever. not in any way at all
>You actually are confirming what I'm saying by posting studies that avoid mentioning HDL.
There's no mention because ldl is an independent risk indicator in clinical trials while hdl has no clinical significance and thus it's irrelevant, anyway high ldl increases heart disease.
>Feel free to post a study that mentions HDL next time.
Since you want to be debunked so badly here's multiple clinical trials talking exactly about that, when you raise hdl nothing happens so hdl is irrelevant
>Neither niacin, fibrates, nor CETP inhibitors, three highly effective agents for increasing high density lipoprotein levels(HDL), reduced all cause mortality, coronary heart disease mortality, myocardial infarction, or stroke in patients treated with statins.
>Attempts to reduce cardiovascular events or mortality by raising high density lipoprotein(HDL) levels using three dissimilar classes of agents has, when trialled in the statin era, so far been unsuccessful.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4103514/
>is from a very well-known study with its own Wikipedia article
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham_Heart_Study
Your study is a single observational study, I posted multiple clinical studies who are stronger evidence and thus supersedes it
>The study you posted this time (which you didn't understand at all) has nothing to do with what you were saying
You are so ignorant, you probably don't even know what the hierachy of evidence is in science
>I think the B12 deficiency is starting to get to you.
I think your high cholesterol is giving you a stroke in the brain cause you are ultra retarded.
>There's no mention because...
Because they didn't look at it or publish the results, and the rest of your post is pure schizo guessing.
>high ldl increases heart disease
Holy shit lmao. Now you're just posting the opposite of the truth, even though your own sources explicitly contradict you. You are absolutely delusional.
Nice studies btw.
>In studies with patients not receiving statins (before the statin era), niacin was associated with a significant reduction in non-fatal myocardial infarction
>A similar trend relating to non-fatal myocardial infarction was seen with fibrates
Thanks for linking those. Do you have any more studies which show raising HDL improves heart health? =)
I wonder if you even read what you linked and were just hoping I didn't notice it, or if you are actually and unironically this stupid.
>Because they didn't look at it or publish the results
What the fuck are you talking about, that's a paper the results are there and are about ldl
>Holy shit lmao. Now you're just posting the opposite of the truth
Are you braindead?
>This finding suggests that the causal effect of LDL-C on the risk of ASCVD is determined by both the absolute magnitude and the cumulative duration of exposure to LDL-C
>In conclusion, these results indicate greater proportional risk reduction per mmol/L LDL-C reduction with increasing duration of treatment.
The more you lower ldl and the more you reduce heart disease, high ldl raises heart diseases, low ldl lowers heart disease.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCOUTCOMES.121.008552
>Do you have any more studies which show raising HDL improves heart health
Are you literally retarded? You claimed that hdl matters and has an effect on heart disease, the study I showed demostrates hdl is irrelevant, why are you not talking about your trash observational study from wikipedia anymore lel
>I wonder if you even read what you linked and were just hoping I didn't notice it, or if you are actually and unironically this stupid.
I don't know if you are just trolling or you are just unbelievably dumb and unable to track.
Is clear you are too ignorant about this topic, you probably watched a youtube video once and believed everything in it or something like that, lurk and investigate more cause you are too lost to discuss anything meaningful.
>and are about ldl
Yes, exactly, and not HDL, which is what we were talking about. Your short term memory is really bad.
>high ldl raises heart diseases
(no source)
(also you just posted 2 studies which showed the opposite of this)
(also HDL being good for you is a widely-accepted well-known fact)
>the study I showed demostrates hdl is irrelevant
The study you posted said HDL was protective:
>In studies with patients not receiving statins (before the statin era), niacin (which raised HDL) was associated with a significant reduction in non-fatal myocardial infarction
>A similar trend relating to non-fatal myocardial infarction was seen with fibrates (which raised HDL)
I know you didn't make it this far on my last post, but I'm hoping you did on this one so I don't have to cite your studies again.
Anyway, at this point I have to assume you're trolling. Referring to the 3-generation Framingham study as an "observational study from Wikipedia" was pretty cringe.
>Yes, exactly, and not HDL
Hdl is irrelevant how many times do I have to repeat it
>Your short term memory is really bad.
Your lack of tracking is really bad, you are too ignorant
>high ldl raises heart diseases
>(no source)
I have posted a source twice is just that you have the mental ability of a 5 year old, I'll post another one since you are clearly not tracking, when you lower ldl you reduce heart disease, why does that happen 5 year old boy?
>This meta-analysis indicates that very low LDL-C levels on intensive lipid-lowering treatments are not associated with any adverse event and maintain a persistent reduction of cardiovascular events.
>The rates of major adverse cardiovascular events were significantly lower in the very low LDL-C group
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36102667/
>The study you posted said HDL was protective:
No they are not lmao, this is what the text say immediately after the line you quoted, they are talking about observational studies in that line, clinical studies don't support the idea that hdl is protective of anything
>. However, in studies where statins were already being taken, niacin showed no significant effect
And finally the conclusion
>Although observational studies might suggest a simplistic hypothesis for high density lipoprotein cholesterol, that increasing the levels pharmacologically would generally reduce cardiovascular events, in the current era of widespread use of statins in dyslipidaemia, substantial trials of these three agents do not support this concept.
Clinical studies do not support the belief that hdl is protective of anything. Can you actually read the whole thing instead of cherry picking lines without context, fucking idiot.
>Referring to the 3-generation Framingham study as an "observational study from Wikipedia" was pretty cringe.
Is a worthless study that is superceded by clinical studies, you are 100% ignorant about this topic.
>how many times do I have to repeat it
It literally doesn't matter how many times you repeat it because it's not true haha. Where did you get the idea that, if you throw a tantrum, you are correct? Were you raised by a single mother?
>I have posted a source twice
I've been quoting your sources to prove you are wrong, schizo.
>posts another study that doesn't mention HDL
At this point you are becoming boring and I am going to stop responding.
>I've been quoting your sources to prove you are wrong
No you didn't, you cherry picked one line and didn't read the conclusion of the study, that's it.
Anyway, I acccept your consession, you have youtube level of knowledge of this topic, you are so lost you have no idea what you are talking about. HDL is worthless, LDL causes heart disease, the end.
>no you didn't quote my source to prove me wrong by quoting my source and proving me wrong
>you can ignore all of the data in a study if you read the conclusion and ignore all the data, like I did
What data? There's no clinical data hdl does anything protective, whatever data there is merely observational and clinical data doesn't support it.
>In studies with patients not receiving statins (before the statin era), niacin (which raised HDL) was associated with a significant reduction in non-fatal myocardial infarction
>A similar trend relating to non-fatal myocardial infarction was seen with fibrates (which raised HDL)
Your knowledge without wisdom is unbelievable.
Imagine believing overprocessed concentrate of seeds is anything that we were adapted to consume. So safe that it has to be deodorized.
And then demonizing meat and butter and milk, even mother milk is highly saturated and high in carbs.
And if that is not enough we are having a protein deficiency epidemic where retards think their height is determined by genetics while 90% of them are nto close to their true potentional thanks to a shit diet... who teh fuck gets in enough protein eating normally with only veggies? You need to base a fucking diet around it to make it work.
I wouldn't even bother responding but at this point you are trying to remove my rights of eating meat. You fucktards need to die.
>And if that is not enough we are having a protein deficiency epidemic
Bullshit, there's literally no one dying of protein deficiency, and the only way that can happen to begin with is if you live in extreme poverty and don't have access to the average calories people should be eating in the first place
>there's literally no one dying of protein deficiency,
Do you think "death" is the only bad thing that can happen to someone?
Sure but you are saying there's a "protein epidemic", what does that even mean and what effects or evidence of such epidemic there is
>what are the effects of people not eating enough protein (and overeating processed carbs and fats)
Literally every metabolic problem that exists today. My evidence is go outside. If you don't understand that, you are fat and shouldn't be posting ITT.
You talk like a flamboyant gay redditor trying to sass someone. I can imagine you clicking in the air as you speak to emphasise your point. It makes me smile knowing that you'll eventually start shitting blood because of your retarded diet. Give up
Fucking incredible how quickly anyone can detect moxyte just by the faggy way he writes his nothing paragraphs
Also the severe retardation. That's the other tip off of that miserable cocksucker.
this lmao
"but my data says X"
they will quote fucking anything but you're standing right in front of them, not having eaten anything but muscle meat, organs, and salt, long after they were sure that you would die of a heart attack or ass cancer
going carnivore unironically saved my life after reaching a point where i was shitting blood 17 times a day
aside from that, i no longer have brain fog, teeth plaque (stopped using toothpaste too, yes i have a gf), dandruff, acne, energy fluctuations, or ANY gas whatsoever
farting is a thing of the past
don't let people tell you that being gassed up is normal
thanks for reading my blog
you're not eating the same diet as paleolithic man
what makes you think I was saying that I was?
i've been at it for a while, and yes, i do essentially follow your train of thought by keeping organs like liver or spleen a "once every few days" kinda deal, while the rest is muscle, or [organ but is actually muscle ex. heart/tongue]
If you're eating red fatty meat coming from ruminant animals, then actually you are. People before around 10k years ago ate red fatty meat. And that's pretty much it. Throw in a brain and some bone marrow in there for good measure, and yes, you are eating an ancestral diet.
Just be careful about organs. They're fine once in a while, but there's more and more reports of them causing problems in excess.
think of it this way, what percentage of the animal is composed of the liver? Idk, but it's not very big, at any rate. So it stands to reason that we wouldn't eat liver often in our evolutionary past. There simply isn't a lot of it. Also, Vilhjamar Steffanson said that the Eskimos didn't really eat liver, they'd feed it to the dogs.
Liver is so good it ends up being bad if you eat them a lot, you literally overdose on vitamins.
Yeah, I usually have it like once a month or so.
Could you tell us your diet? Like specifics what you eat and where you get it, like a local butcher or hunting? And is it just 100% meat or are there nuts, honey etc.?
t. very curious and would like to learn more
trying to not sound too mean bro but i did say "haven't eaten anything but meat organs salt"
i don't think people should be as strict as i am, i think having eggs and butter is great, but people like me that come from fucked up conditions such as Rheumatoid Arthritis or IBD best do with meat+salt+water diet
80-90% of my weekly intake will be fatty muscle meat such as chuck, brisket, short ribs - all braised in the slowcooker usually
once every few days i'll spoil myself with a steak or i'll take out a lamb leg from the freezer
I butcher my own lambs and goats - i buy them skinned from a farmer next town over
the other 10-20% come from hearts, tongue, liver, spleen, kidney - i get the organs at my local 3rd world shithole market
since carnivore is supposed to be a high fat diet, not a high protein diet - i supplement my fat intake (when there's not enough fat on the meat) with fried beef suet chunks, tallow or lard (when i don't have any tallow or fried beef fat trimmings)
i keep my fat/protein ratios at 75-80/25-20
if you ever feel like going for it, i would advise looking up doing the the "PKD" way
it's useful to follow their guide on how to get over the initial ketoflu symptoms faster, but the TL;DR is
either keep meat/fat ratio weight wise at 100g:35g, or a %25/%75 ratio macros wise
people don't get over the first week carnivore+keto flu symptoms usually because they either eat way too much protein or way too much fat
it also takes a bit of time to understand where you are with satiation, and overeating is a thing at the beginning
glad to hear bro
>trying to not sound too mean bro but i did say "haven't eaten anything but meat organs salt"
No worries, just wasn't sure if this was verbatim what you ate or a generalisation. Now I know, thanks for the info.
you're welcome bro, have a good day
You drink that braising liquid or nah?
sometimes
that's just collagen
sometimes i'll just re-use it to braise something else in it for a deeper flavour
carnivore is such a based way to live
glad for you king.
I always feel best on just meat
>point where i was shitting blood 17 times a day
ulcerative colitis?
I have that condition and I can safely say that meat causes me no symptoms.
right on bud
going meat+salt+water was the best decision i ever made
i'm still healing, so to say, but nothing else helped this much
being able to say that I'm going to be medication free this year for the first time in my life is a lot better than most people with UC can say
i've tried many other diets and exclusion protocols
lion diet as some call it was the only thing that worked, plus obviously entering ketosis through high fat
see
Absolutely based.
based after I was carnivore for 6 months I had the best labs I've ever had
doc told me "keep up whatever you're doing as long as you can be consistent"
You also burn way less vitamin c because not processing carbs, retard
>zero
Utterly wrong. How come I don't have any symptoms of scurvy after being on the carnivore diet for months now?
Plenty in animal bones, marrow and intestine.
ah yeah I forgot eating meat prevents me from having a clementine for dessert
I drink milk for calcium dummy
Answer the question, gay
Organ meats are a thing dumb dumb
Is this bait or are vegans actually this terminally retarded? Humans get everything they need from animals assuming it is eaten and used as whole.
This is how our ancestors could survive, just hunt the big mammals and eat them, very simple and the whole basis of our species. Only thanks to the meat eating chads could we progress to the point that some dyel, twink gay could eat veggies and supplements and think they were saving the planet while being healthy.
Talking about "ancestors" is just survivorship bias and appeal to nature fallacy so everything you said is worthless, what people in the past did or not has jackshit to do with the present, humans can get everything they need from eating other humans according to your own logic, are you for cannibalism because it seems so by your own logic
>talking about the the millions of year of human history is a fallacy
>how humans evolved over millions of years has no bearing on today, not even a little bit
>immediately commits a logical fallacy by invoking cannibalism
Are you the vegan? This is one of the worst posts ITT.
>Fallacy fallacy fallacy
You're both gay, nobody heterosexual has phallus on their mind this much
We ate meat and fat for longer than we have had civilizations, last 10000 years is just a blip on the line and past 200 years has shown very clearly what sort of diet humans thrive on and what makes them sick and fat.
Very clearly what we did in the past affects us today, that is how evolution works.
>muh cannibalism
>calcium
>vit c
>manganese
Anon thinks these aren't found in meat! Laugh at his ignorance!
Well yes I get it from plants because I eat both like a non retard.
It's pure gluten. So not much of it usable.
>my onions turd is just as good as your meat!
lol ok
Vegans call this shit meat in the same way trannies call themselves women
While I appreciate you trying to save me on my water bill, please stop scooping my excrement out of my toilet. I'm leaving to grab the feces shovel to cut it down, not so you can swoop in you latrine thief
THE LOATHSOME DUNG EATER
bump
is that log of shit made of pure gluten?
Literally looks like a log of shit. Vegans fucking suck and will be the first to die when things go south.
Leave Nikki sixxx alone you stupid vegans
>six
only one andy sixx joke in the entire thread. i can't be the only /b/tard here.
I even fucked up the joke by getting him confused with a much better singer.
I'll turn in my tard card, anon
>turd card
Anon if you're doing it to save animals. Just be vegetarian instead and save yourself while saving the animals.
Seconding.
I made a pound of that stuff into the toilet this morning
What the fuck is going on in this thread. Is half this board unmedicated schizophrenics?
That's half of IST. Actually it's probably more on other boards like 4chan. The other half is autistic.
Half the replies in this thread read like one dude arguing with himself.
>32 posters
>61 replies
What does he have to gain by doing this? I don't understand why anyone would waste time on this. Go lift.
Looks absolutely delish! Please share your recipe!
xoxo
Post body.
what the flying fuck is this abomination
what's in this thing?
please list every ingredient and how you made it
>vegan meat
you really are unable to not eat meat even if you wanted to are you
Haha poopy meat and meat flavored nu-meat pics. Good thread
This is literally a turd you can't convince me otherwise
How'd you make it?
By poopin in a condom
Holy shit that looks disgusting. Imagine eating dogfood and telling everyone else it's the way to go.
At this point even dogfood would be better than this slop.
Most people can't afford diets and diets are always going to fail ALWAYS.
>bragging about your vegan diet
>still resorting to making vegan imitations of the real deal
I will be enjoying my meat and dairy, and outgaining you at the gym
>still resorting to making vegan imitations of the real deal
They do this because the human brain intrinsically craves meat and other animal-based foods. This study shows that vegetarians, on a neural level, crave meat as much as "omnivores," even if they say verbally they don't want to eat meat.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31254550/
>Twenty-four vegetarians and twenty-one omnivores were instructed to either passively look at the pictures or to change the appetitive value of the food
>In contrast with the subjective data, no group differences were observed in any of the ERP measures, suggesting that similar neural processing of food-cues occurred in vegetarians and omnivores both during passive viewing and cognitive reappraisal.
>Overall, our findings suggest that, in vegetarians, aversion towards nonvegetarian food prevails at the subjective level and is consistent with their personal beliefs. In contrast, at the neural level, the intrinsic motivational salience of this type of food is preserved.
Damn bro that's a fat shit, bet that hurt coming out.
Yay, a sodium-caked log of wheat gluten that's missing essential amino acids and which also will bind your colon up for days on end. Yes, I ate seitan when I was a vegan cultist, and it really did suck.
making fake meat for vegetarians is as stupid as making fake vegetables for carnivores
either eat meat or don't
>making fake vegetables for carnivores
This doesn't exist, making your post a bad comparison.
to be fair, there is stuff out there like keto pizza. It's basically a base of ground meat instead of dough, kek. I gotta try one of those one day
But yeah, I never once saw an imitation cauliflower made with a lamb shoulder or smth.
Keto and carnivore have nothing to do with each other, so there's nothing to be fair about.
>imitation cauliflower made with a lamb shoulder
lol
I mean, I'm on carnivore, and I totally would eat that keto pizza shit at least once.
Both are fad diets based on same lies, science denialism, and conspiracy theories. Carnivore diet only took the endless screeching of “too many carbs” to its logical conclusion.
>fad diets based on lies, science denialism, and conspiracy theories
This describes veganism though. Not existing for 99.9% of human history, being practiced (as soon as globalism and the invention of artificial supplements allowed it) despite multiple proven nutritional inadequacies, and being based on schizophrenic claims about health like "meat clogs your arteries" perfectly fits that description. This hypothetical 43-word sentence may have been too hard for you to comprehend because of the lack of B12 in your brain, so if you didn't get it, just let me know and I'd be happy to explain it in more detail.
Anyway, other than "well I don't like either diet!", keto and carnivore have nothing in common. The world doesn't revolve around you, you big nutrient-deprived baby.
Actually, keto was designed as a medical diet to help with epilepsy. It's arguably the least 'science denial' out of any diet. Of course, that only applies if you're on it because you have epilepsy and not obesity, but I digress.
Lmao, fad diets. Humans are carnivorous animals that evolved as specialist big game hunters, basically since before we were humans. Eating plants is the fad, we've only been doing it for 10k years in any quantity in the last 2 or 3 million years.
have a nice day, Moxyte, nobody likes you.
Fuck off you worthless cretin
>meat
looks like poo
Op what the fuck. This is foul. You couldn't pay me $10 to put that in my mouth.
Post the recipe
all the vegan dudes i know are completely fucking ripped and i figured its because they can actually consistently stick to something unlike you tards
post physique
What the fuck is with all the retarded namefags lately? Did kiwifarms shut down or something so now we're getting all the fags?
I had a few slices of this shit on a "vegan sandwich" I got from a cafe on my uni campus. The problem is that I have celiac disease and I specifically picked the only sandwich with gluten free bread, didn't care about the vegan stuff. Motherfuckers at the cafe apparently didn't know that most vegan meats are 99% gluten and a slice has probably more gluten than the entire sandwich bread would have. I was sick for 2 days afterwards.
>vegan meats are 99% gluten and a slice has probably more gluten than the entire sandwich bread would have
Yes, I'm pretty sure they make these by washing off all the starch of the bread, leaving only the gluten (a protein), and then press the gluten together.
instead you should supplement your vegan diet with some fish and beef.
Wow, a poopy
How did that fit inside your colon, the fuck
I don't even eat non vegan deli meat. If this were actually as nutritionally dense as meat and cheaper then it would the standard for athletes and bodybuilders for who nutritional density matters the most.
>wastes a bunch of time making imitation meat that tastes and looks like shit
>it’s “meat” because it has “protein”
Make sure you don’t look up the DIAAS score of the “protein” you used, bro. It’ll show you why you’re a retard.
I’m sure replacing all of the fat in real meat with vegetable oils made in a chemical plant is a great idea too.
>DIAAS score of the “protein” you used
aren't onions and pea protein alright? though seitan and stuff are utter shit
>I’m sure replacing all of the fat in real meat with vegetable oils made in a chemical plant is a great idea too.
I think many people miss that part and instead just focus on the protein.
Even if plant protein were to be complete, you're still fucking yourself over with pufa oils.
can I be half vegan if I only eat chicken and chicken eggs and dairy but nothing else
There's no vegan pope. You can be whatever the fuck you want.
Nice turd fag.
EAT SHIT, OP
The comparison to shit is obvious, but one of these ACTUALLY has feces in it, and it's not the one that comes from plants, it's the ones that come from intestines (i.e. literal shit chambers)
>I just made 3.5 pounds
By passing real meat through your digestive system?
nah fr we smokin dat doodoo jenkem out heeearrrrh
>dont listen to meatheads
>i made vegan deli meat
If vegan was so good, you wouldn't need to try to emulate non-vegan things, combining dozens of expensive and environmentally unfriendly ingredients to do it.
The only two good things about vegan food is that there is never any chewy bits in vegan sausage and vegan cheese is always less then 10 minutes from being made. That is all. That is barely reason enough to be vegan.
just eat pic
dude what's wrong with your garloid?
That's what happens when you forget to water it
What's your recipe and seasoning mix? Looks pretty decent sliced, especially if you fried it up.
Not vegan or vegetarian myself, but alternative meat products are cool.
>imagine eating turds
Vegans are fucking retarded
>made
>vegans are eating imported pesticide shit logs in order to own capitalism
>vegans don't realize that capitalism is driving the vegan diet trend
It's so much easier and cheaper to just plant and spray fields of onions and wheat, than it is to raise livestock for slaughter.
While charging more.
The margins must be crazy on a lot of that vegan zogslop, when you can buy subsidized goybeans for dirt cheap
Imagine how painful that would be sliding out
ah, another thread in which vegechud moxyte gets btfo
dats poop nigguh
put that in the freezer and you got an alaskan pipeline.
>I just made 3.5 pounds of vegan deli meat
That's a fancy way of saying you took a massive shit
>Vegan deli meat
No what you made is a salad that looks like a shit log. You made a shit log salad.
Ahem.
Kill vegans, behead vegans, roundhouse kick a vegan into the concrete, slam dunk a vegan's baby into the trash can, crucify filthy herbavores, defecate into vegans food, launch vegans into the sun, stir fry vegans in a wok, toss vegans into active volcanoes, urinate into a vegan's gas tank, judo throw vegans into a wood chipper, twist vegans heads off, report vegans to the IRS, karate chop vegans in half, curb stomp pregnant vegans, trap vegans in quicksand, crush vegans in the trash compactor, liquify vegans in a vat of acid, eat vegans, dissect vegans, exterminate vegans in the gas chamber, stomp vegan skulls with steel-toed boots, cremate vegans in the oven, lobotomized vegans, mandatory abortions for vegans, grind vegan fetuses in the garbage disposal, drown vegans in fried chicken grease, vaporize vegans with a raygun, kick old vegans down the stairs, feed vegans to alligators, slice vegans with a katana.
ayo dem vegan niBBas out there eating turds lmaoooooooooo
dey eat da poopoo
>vegan deli meat
>vegan meat
Fuck of Pajeet
to all ebin carnivores itt screeching that looks like turd because it's le brown and shaped like that, just fyi real meat döner looks like this
So true man. Can barely see the difference *picks nose*
heres one of minced kind