>eat spinach, tomatoes and beans because I like them and I think they are good for me
>apparently they are antinutrients and they are bad
WTF! Almost every food is antinutrient. Is this true or a meme because if it's true I'm fricked, all my favorite healthy food are labeled antinutrients and I eat a lot of them
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They're nice as a snack if you want, but it's not proper foods for humans. Just eat animal products, it's a safe bet. Can't beat beef.
its a fricking absolute meme. Cooking will reduce them, even then it doesn't matter.
Dont pay attention to this shit. Maybe you're not getting the 100% zinc you're eating, maybe it's 70%, it's not going to matter. All research done on vitamins and minerals shows that deficiencies are when you get problems, and if you are getting some of a vitamin or mineral, you are not going to be deficient. Just eat a varied diet.
Many of these anti nutrients are also antioxidants and have beneficial effects on the body as well, so its not black and white.
Most of the bad things are in the skins or seeds
Peel your potatoes
Peel and seed your tomatoes
but don't eat shit like spinach or beans or grains
all the nutrients / phytonutrients and fiber are located in the skin. Potatoes, for example, will essentially become sugar without the fiber. The skin is the healthiest part of the plant most of the time.
the most dangerous one on here is oxalates since they can form kidney stones, you can mitigate oxalates by consuming the oxalate rich food with a calcium source, like milk, so the crystals form in your stomach instead of your kidneys when your kidneys filter your blood and the oxalates and calcium meet.
>but don't eat shit like spinach or beans or grains
But I knew that spinach is good, and full of iron and it's good for getting strong. No way spinach is bad for you.
>pic related
>spinach rice
>it's tasty, easy to prepare, makes you full and a big part of my diet
Same for bean soup with tomatoes. I can't believe these foods are bad.
>But I knew that spinach is good, and full of iron and it's good for getting strong. No way spinach is bad for you.
yeah but the oxalate stops you absorbing the iron, this is why vegans are so pale and anemic despite eating shit like spinach all the time
>yeah but the oxalate stops you absorbing the iron, this is why vegans are so pale and anemic despite eating shit like spinach all the time
No, that is because non heme iron has almost zero bioavailability. Vegans are pale and anemic due to a host of factors, it's not because they are consuming only veggies, it's because they aren't consuming meat. Meat is highly nutritious and a rich source of heme iron. Males do not need nearly as much iron as females do since males don't bleed on a regular basis. In fact, you should probably donate your blood because you can also reduce carcinogenic chemicals in your blood while also losing about 600 calories and keeping your iron in check, especially if you eat a lot of red meat.
What
they're anemic because ferritin is not in plant based iron
>muh oxolates
Literally just eat it with cheese and the calcium takes care of it
Bullshit.
I donate plasma because I'm a broke ho. They test your iron before you donate and I've been too low to donate before... But never the day after I eat spinach. The opposite is actually the case - if my iron is too low one day, eating spinach that night will have me passing the next day.
When you're too low to donate, they will specifically ask you if you eat things like spinach and encourage you to do so if you aren't.
They see hundreds of iron profiles a day. If spinach was the issue, they wouldn't encourage you to eat it.
Spinach is great, although for me personally I like kale since it isn't full of oxalates and I get kidney stones. Not that I'm saying you shouldn't eat your spinach, if you like it, you should eat it. Green leafy veggies are extremely under eaten, so if you have one or a couple you really like, more power to you. That vitamin K you're getting is also helping your bones and heart. It's taken in by your gut bacteria and turned into K2, you can also get k2 from eggs and fermented veggies
>Green leafy veggie
>vitamin K
Wrong kind of vitamin K. MK7 has never been proven to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Moreover, it does increase the rate coronary calcification. Meanwhile the form of K2 in eggs, cheese, and meat, MK4, has been proven to do both of those things.
> full of iron
It's the wrong kind of iron. Non-heme iron requires conversion within the body which uses up vitamin C in order to produce heme iron which your body just uses.
>Non-heme iron requires conversion within the body which uses up vitamin C in order to produce heme iron which your body just uses.
Wow, if only spinach also contained vitamin C!
>grains are bad
What?? Generations of humans grew up with grains. It can't be a bad food! Is it another conspiracy like the keto schizos saying that water is bad for you?
my ancestors hunted mammoths and ate prime rib every day for 2 million years
grains were inedible until they were changed by farmers, and they made humans short, sick and weak
then after the farmers outcompeted the hunters and replaced them ancel keys invented the food pyramid and made us all eat 12 servings a day which is how we all got fat
Humans didn't become weaker because they changed nutrition.
We became weaker because we stopped having an IST lifestyle, running after preys several hours a day and climbing rocks and shit
All livings things want to live, and do everything they can to avoid dying. Animals can run from predators, but plants can't. So plants developed chemical defenses to discourage predation.
Seeds are the most highly defended parts of plants; they're the next generation. Thus they are the worst and most damaging part of the plant to consume, especially in large quantities. Grains are seeds. It's no coincidence that the agricultural revolution coincided with a significant reduction in human brain and skeleton size, and chronic problems such as osteoporosis and cavities.
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>Seeds are the most highly defended parts of plants; they're the next generation. Thus they are the worst and most damaging part of the plant to consume, especially in large quantities.
>be plant
>want to give offspring best chance at survival
>surround it with high quality energy sources, vitamins and minerals so it starts off strong
flash forward 1.5 gorillion years
>"seeds are the most important part of the plant, therefore they're BAD to eat!!!"
Jesus this level of moronation is unbelievable
yes hmm ita funny how as soon as you introduce good nutrition (meat) to a poor country people's height increases immediately
>my ancestors hunted mammoths and ate prime rib every day for 2 million years
Muh ancestors larp
>Generations of humans grew up with grains
human height and brain size shrank with the agricultural revolution. Native Americans were tall and healthy when they eat meat, now all have diabetes thanks to "western" diets
>doesn't mention egg whites
I know who made this thread
>source: myself
There are no such things as antinutrients, just keep eating healthy and don't worry about grifters and their dumb infographics that they pull out of their ass. Do you think a nutritionist would seriously advise you to avoid eating any of these foods?
Well now I don't know what to think
antinutrients exist, oxalates in spinach can legit reduce mineral absorption. only an issue if you go through a bag of raw spinach every day though
antinutrients are really a serious consideration and not just a meme blown up by contrarian grifters
thousands of americans are hospitalized from antinutrients every month
Antinutrients is scaremongering and are even good for you, it's just morons who can't interpret studies who made it a "thing"
>dude just eat the kidney beans it's just a bit of anti nutrients
Eat a fistful of raw kidney beans and say that again.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/AC1B9DDA5B58A804E156D0CB2DA4AF4B/S095026880004810Xa.pdf/red_kidney_bean_poisoning_in_the_uk_an_analysis_of_50_suspected_incidents_between_1976_and_1989.pdf
But sure, phytotoxins are "nothing", lmfao.
Nobody does that moron
You have to be a fullblown moron to eat raw kidney beans. I almost cant beleive these people exist.
However, when i saw your post i realized some people are simply that moronic.
so i shouldn't eat raw beans???? what????? no way dude!!!
>Every animal in nature has a specific diet of specific foods which, if deviated from, causes illness or death
>Humans should eat a wide and various diet of specifically bred plants from all over the world to be healthy because... reasons
Come on, you can't be that dumb
I like how nobody has refuted this post
Nobody bothered because it's moronic on multiple levels and if you're dumb enough to fall for it you deserve to get sick and die young.
moronation doesn’t need refutation, it deserves ignorance.
oh no, not phytates, chemicals that might, uh *checks sources* prevent cancer
they might also *checks sources* inhibit nutrient absorbtion and frick your teeth
so many people suffering from nutrient deficiencies from eating beans, it's a real epidemic
look at veganism and all the deficiencies they have
>Prove that they inhibit nutrient absorption
No, we have to start from a basic common understanding, if you are unwilling to even accept this point without "proof" then you're just autistic and not willing to have a good faith discussion.
>not willing to have a good faith discussion.
You're the one not willing to have a good faith discussion. You instantly start arguing about vegans when no one mentions them and no one is even implying that you should only eat vegetables. You are the one arguing in bad faith, you are the one strawmanning the argument.
You have no proof because no proof exists of your extremist claims and views.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/anti-nutrients/
My proof is a consensus reached by some of the brightest minds in the world on nutrition and health and the research they conduct. Now please give me your obscure reference or that one moronic doctor out of 1000 that says otherwise.
Did you read the article you linked? It literally, LITERALLY, agrees with me.
>People who are at high risk for diseases related to mineral deficiencies, such as osteoporosis with calcium deficiency or anemia with iron deficiency, may wish to monitor their food choices for anti-nutrient content
>Still, other studies have shown that iron stores and blood zinc levels in vegetarians are typically below those of non-vegetarians.
The whole article reeks of "well on the one hand there is science showing these are bad, but on the other hand we recommend you should eat them because... we heckin hate meat eaters"
>My proof is a consensus reached by some of the brightest minds in the world on nutrition and health and the research they conduct.
imagine being this bluepilled
>inhibit nutrient absorbtion
Prove that they inhibit nutrient absorption, then prove that on a chronic basis, this causes nutrient deficiencies when apart of a balanced diet.
You'll stop liking them when you get proper nutrition in ya.
Oxalate accumulation is no joke. If you're going to stop eating spinach, wean yourself off of it or your body will dump all the stored oxalates at once and it can seriously injure your muscles.
>t. used to eat spinach every day, quit cold turkey, and got serious, severe, crippling back pain for like a week
>used to eat spinach every day, quit cold turkey, and got serious, severe, crippling back pain for like a week
Wtf! How long have we been told lies?
>How long have we been told lies?
For millennia, brother
>dump all the stored oxalates at once
why would it do that? spinachbros?
Because oxalates are toxic. They form a crystalline structure that damages your tissue. Your body wants to get rid of all of it all the time, but if you're constantly consuming large amounts of it (like in spinach), your body can't remove it faster than you're consuming it.
is there somethhing else you can eat to mitigate that? calcium i think? i dont want to stop eating spinach bc it taste's good and it had some micro that was semi rare, vitamin k and maybe something else
Idk about the calcium thing. Never heard of it. I would imagine calcium ions can bind with oxalate since calcium oxalate is a compound that exists, but then your body might be depleting itself of calcium it needs for other things, like bones or nervous system function. I'd have to look into it.
Spinach is unusually high in oxalates. You can get vitamin k1 from other greens. Your gut bacteria can also convert K2 (from animal foods) into k1. I get all the vitamin K I need from raw dairy, beef liver, and sauerkraut.
Animals have legs to escape predators, what do plants have?
keto grifters
in a lot of cases, they want to get eaten, so the seeds can be shit out, hence why unripe fruits tend to be bitter or spicy
fruit are not plants
>repulsive chemicals
Yes you're on the right track
I'm talking like capsaicin and the sulphur compound in onions (both good for you)
Thorns and repulsive chemicals
>Saturated fat
>Heme iron
These are things you don’t want in your diet
moron
Your body needs saturated fats to digest protein. It also needs saturated fatty acids to function correctly. Heme iron is the only form of iron your body uses without needing any sort of conversion.
There's no evidence that reducing saturated fat intake leads to harm or negative effects, Lee Hooper 2020 study shows that
> Your body needs saturated fats to digest protein. It also needs saturated fatty acids to function correctly
Wrong
~~*you*~~ will not stop me from eating beets
It's just another internet health craze/fad. Not eating foods because of antinutrients is like not cashing your check because you don't want to pay income tax. They interfere with nutrient absorption a little bit, yes, but you're certainly not going to develop deficiencies because of it. You're doing more harm by not eating those foods than you are by eating them.
Of course this is probably just another tongue-in-cheek demoralizer thread I guess, so GG you got me
>inb4 yeeeess goy eat the antinootrients, they are negligible indeed goy
Lots of modern crops are completely devoid of nutrients though.
NANOMACHINES, JACK!
All them are good for you, stop fricking worrying and stop believing every shit You read
Everybody, just cook your stuff and get rid of the water after and eat it with some calcium source like milk and you don't have to worry about oxolates
you can soak/sprout stuff overnight you know
tomatoes are tasty so I will continue eating them
((they)) can piss right off
Any post-1980 nutrition science is fake and literally designed to turn you into a weak little dyel gay. Stop paying attention to it.
oxalates in spinach break down if you cook them, literally just wilt them for 5 minutes and you're safe
((I)) am a big fan of many of these foods and ((I)) dont give a shit what ((they)) say about it
lucky if the opposing side cites sources you can always fall back on muh redpill muh israelites
looks like the case for keto and carnivore is rock solid once again
Crazy, almost like a healthy balanced diet of both meat and vegetables is good for you and going all in on just one is bad for you. Almost like we were a HUNTER-GATHERER society and not just one. That's crazy.