i think you're moronic if you think mike israelsson is overcomplicated
he literally gives the same advice as the guy on the right to beginners
Why does he refuse to understand or even acknowledge the existence of Starting Strength (except once on some podcast)? He makes videos targeted at novices but his workout advice is clearly focused on high level training. It's kind of strange honestly.
you need to stop going to the starting strength subreddit. your brain cannot withstand the circlejerk because you're not autistic. This is a good thing.
>yeah so just do X amount sets a week for this bodypart and Y for this bodypart etc. every week and try to spread it out over at least 2 different days of training, try to do a variety of exercises and don't limit yourself to just a couple of them >overcomplicates lifting
Didn't know that IST was filled with morons. Geez. You shouldn't even try getting into advanced powerlifting routines because your peanut sized brain could blow up.
> do X amount sets a week for this bodypart
Dr.israelite literally come up with concepts of MV, MEV, MAV, and MRV (which are different for each lifter), so it is nice that you share that you dont actually understand what his methodology is about.
boogz is truly the only influencer with an understandable methodology. "just horsewiener the weight" is something even the smallest man could understand.
meanwhile russian israelites with "degrees" are trying to meme you into lifting teeny tiny weights for thousands of reps so that you make no gains
You literally has less chances to injure yourself when your are natty, as your joints get stronger with about the same speed as your muscles. And it is if we don't talk about vile shit that allows you to pass your body protection mechanisms.
Stronglifts for a few months to build a base is a good idea for anyone. If I was training someone IRL I would have them avoid a barbell at first but without in person guidance a beginner barbell program is acceptable.
if you're asking if stronglifts is a program used toi get aesthetics then high chances are you haven't stepped foot into a gym. so yes, "just lift" is the correct answer
For 90% of newbies, just hit a machine or start running. You don't need anything else.
When you get more advanced you can do other stuff, but for the first three months, machines (with written instructions on the machine) or running/jogging is fine.
This. Just lift and once you hit a plateau, eat more protein/calories, get 8 hours of sleep, and make sure you're doing juuuust a little more each workout (increase reps/weight). It's that easy.
>hey man i want to do an activity >just do these things that require previous knowledge and experience to understand, which you don't have yet >umm... can i have just some like more step by step guidance? or just a simple to do list >dude... just do these things that appear simple to me because i have years of knowledge and experience on the subject >yeah, as i've stated, i don't have enough baseline knowledge or experience on this subject to intuitively do the basic steps. can you just walk me through the basics? >no man, i am too stupid to comprehend that you need more basic building blocks and information to get to the level where you could participate in the beginner stages of this activity, and i will thus just keep repeating the least helpful, most vague advice possible, in hopes that you will miraculously absorb the years of knowledge and experience that now make this complex activity intuitive for me >thanks, bro. you have been completely unhelpful. why did you even participate in this conversation if you had absolutely nothing useful to contribute? >i like to be able to feel like i'm giving advice and helping people, but i don't want to go through the effort of seeing things from their point of view and level of knowledge, or providing any useful information. >fair enough.
>There's obviously optimal ways to lift, eat, recover, etc.
No there isn't you moron. Literally all you need to know is just what Dragonball teaches you. Work hard, eat hard, sleep hard.
This Anon has the right of it. This is how many forum-dwellers give "advice"
>Have zero illustration skills >can't draw basic shapes >ask forum-dweller friends how to improve because it seems like there are so many fundamental skills before even "basic" illustrations >just draw
At least stickies and wikis exist. 99% of what you can get out of IST is explained better in the sticky than it would be in here.
Lifting is different because it requires a lot of trial and error, as there’s no objectively correct way to do it. Ultimately the best routine is whichever you can actually stick to
>dude if you're depressed just be happy >dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques >dude if you want to lift weights just throw your body at them and move weights around in random directions, on random days of the year, without any particular programming or schedule, and you will eventually learn how to have an efficient and effective training routine
>i need everything spoonfed to me because i am a big ass baby that is scared of momentary failure so i just wait in the lobby of any domain until someone has the pity to pick me up and carry me
>i'm too stupid to differentiate the desired outcome of a series of steps from those series of steps; therefore, the person who wants to know the series of steps is immature
what the frick are you on about mate
1 month ago
Anonymous
>duurr gewgle is say but i cant wead it good so I need a chaperone for moving my fat moronic body against material calibrated for that sole purpose
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I need to shit up google search results by posting vague platitudes on various online forums so when someone has a real question they will have to sift through my mounds of useless text before finding useful information
1 month ago
Anonymous
You dont have a question you fricking pencilneck. You want EXERCISE explained to you. Holy frick. Pay me six figures a year and i will explain it to you. Otherwise you're just being an autistic shitbag. 5 dollar words dont count when some 90 iq jabroni benches triple what you do
1 month ago
Anonymous
bruh i am laughing at you... lmbo
believe it or not the jabroni who benches 6 plate was at one point a beginner lifter, whose parents enrolled him in football or some sport like that, where he was taught how to weightlift by a coach or some shit... if someone has not experienced that shit it would be HELPFUL to provide them with more basic guidance, and giving vague guidance is UNHELPFUL... you don't need to be paid to not give shitty advice. just don't pretend you're giving real advice when it's useless.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Pick up a weight, put It back down. Eat. Sleep. Pick up a bigger weight and put it down. Repeat.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're never gonna make it dude...
do you guys know how to read? i'm explaining the difference between useful and useless advice. i'm not literally saying i don't know how to exercise.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I'm not moronic >I'm just defending the moronic
That's worse, tbh
1 month ago
Anonymous
fricking benchod.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're never gonna make it dude...
1 month ago
Anonymous
Holy frick my pajeetdar is going nuts
You are a stupid flabby little boy
1 month ago
Anonymous
>tfw too intelligent to pick up heavy things and put them down repeatedly
I'm with the other Anon on this. If you lack the initiative to figure this stuff out for yourself, then you were never going to stick with lifting. "Just hit each muscle group twice a week with basic compounds like benchpress, pullups, squats" is perfectly reasonable advice for beginners and you should absolutely be able to figure it out from there. If you can't then you're a lost cause.
Have you ever been to a gym? There are some really dumb motherfrickers who manage to get really fricking big and strong. Don't act like you're too smart to figure it out.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Football coaches are some of the biggest morons around when it comes to strength training. This is not the own you thought it was.
Plus what everybody else said.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>dude if you're depressed just be happy >dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques >dude if you want to lift weights just throw your body at them and move weights around in random directions, on random days of the year, without any particular programming or schedule, and you will eventually learn how to have an efficient and effective training routine
>hey man i want to do an activity >just do these things that require previous knowledge and experience to understand, which you don't have yet >umm... can i have just some like more step by step guidance? or just a simple to do list >dude... just do these things that appear simple to me because i have years of knowledge and experience on the subject >yeah, as i've stated, i don't have enough baseline knowledge or experience on this subject to intuitively do the basic steps. can you just walk me through the basics? >no man, i am too stupid to comprehend that you need more basic building blocks and information to get to the level where you could participate in the beginner stages of this activity, and i will thus just keep repeating the least helpful, most vague advice possible, in hopes that you will miraculously absorb the years of knowledge and experience that now make this complex activity intuitive for me >thanks, bro. you have been completely unhelpful. why did you even participate in this conversation if you had absolutely nothing useful to contribute? >i like to be able to feel like i'm giving advice and helping people, but i don't want to go through the effort of seeing things from their point of view and level of knowledge, or providing any useful information. >fair enough.
What the frick do you even want? The basic advice is simple, do compound movements and hit every muscle group 2-3 times a week. Tutorials for these basic movements are everywhere on youtube hundreds of times and compound lift based beginner programms are also abundant. All of them work and they are pretty much optimal.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You literally have a robot at your finger tips that will answer any question you type into it and you’re mad you’re not being spoonfed hard enough? Kys immediately Black person
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not fair. 98% of Google searches are bogus.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dumb ass, how to do a squat gif shows you how in the very first image result. Are you really this lazy stupid and useless?
>dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques
>there's just so many options I just don't know where to start!
The answer to all of your dumbass scenarios is literally just pick any fricking option and stick with it. From there you'll figure out what works for you and what doesn't. This whole thing you do where you sit around doing nothing while you wait for someone else to hand you the thing that's exactly perfect for exactly what you want to accomplish is the reason why you're small, weak, depressed, and can't draw.
And because I know you're gonna fricking do it, don't even come back to me with that >oh but what if I deliberately pick the most moronic thing possible and learn wrong!?
bullshit, because if that's the case then you were doomed to failure and no one could have helped you anyways. Or alternately if you have even a shred of intelligence, you could at very least learn what not to do next time.
>yoo bro just do draw a box and you will become a better drawer >thanks man i just wasted a ton of time and energy doing reps of drawing boxes and now i fricking hate drawing >duuude just do loooomis >thanks brah now i can draw really stupid looking 50s era cartoon heads and i hate drawing
it's almost like there are so many bad options that with a little bit of hand holding you can guide someone in a better direction that works for them. rather than just repeating "just pick an option bro" and pretending like you're helping someone. my whole point comes down to this: there is good advice and bad advice. the people who give bad advice should not pat themselves on the back thinking they're giving good advice. telling someone they suck because they're a beginner and don't know where to start isn't being helpful"
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I'm a beginner at [X], what should I do?
Learn the fundamentals and practice. >but that's boooooring! I want to be good at it now! You must be hiding the REAL advice that would make me good at it instantly!
My man, this is some really pathetic shit and for your own sake you need to stop. Whether it's lifting, drawing, playing an instrument, or whatever else, if you want to get good at it there's no way around the grind. There is no special trick, there is no secret to it, no magic, it's just fricking do the work. Someone telling you to just fricking do the work doesn't become bad advice just because you can't hack it, it was just good advice you failed to follow.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Loomis and drawabox worked for countless of people. You're not a special snowflake. If 1 month of grinding Loomis makes you truly detest drawing then feel free to try out other options like Vilpu or do whatever ineffective shit makes you stick to it. Trace animango, doodle aimlessly, etc.
>dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you get a feel of pencil. Then we can get going. >But bro, I want to magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques neeeeeowww! Frick the pencil
That's the more accurate analogy
>hey brah i noticed that when i am in drawing progress threads on /ic/, there is a massive gap between certain people. why do some people make large improvements in their drawing ability, while others toil for years and never get out of shitty looking symbol drawing mlp fanporn? Is it possible that there is some type of guidance i could follow to avoid falling into the pitfalls of a bunch of wasted effort? >no man. you need to just draw.
Football coaches are some of the biggest morons around when it comes to strength training. This is not the own you thought it was.
Plus what everybody else said.
let me walk it back a bit. i'm not trying to own anyone. i'm just trying to point out that some people get some form of guidance and others don't. the guy in football or whatever organized sport will get some form of guardrails and some basic concepts drilled into him like progressive overload, observing other people lifting, etc. which even if he has moronic coaches, will help him learn the basics. rather than a person who doesn't get that experience, who will still need help learning the basics. it's like if you were teaching someone to drive, the person who grew up with a family with a car would simply be at an advantage (in the earliest stages of learning) compared to someone who grew up in a family without one, by getting a lot of context through observation, etc.
https://i.imgur.com/RSLmgWh.jpg
>tfw too intelligent to pick up heavy things and put them down repeatedly
I'm with the other Anon on this. If you lack the initiative to figure this stuff out for yourself, then you were never going to stick with lifting. "Just hit each muscle group twice a week with basic compounds like benchpress, pullups, squats" is perfectly reasonable advice for beginners and you should absolutely be able to figure it out from there. If you can't then you're a lost cause.
Have you ever been to a gym? There are some really dumb motherfrickers who manage to get really fricking big and strong. Don't act like you're too smart to figure it out.
again, i have no problem with this stuff. i am simply pointing out the difference between useful advice and useless "advice." i am pointing out that there are various learning gaps among beginner lifters, and that a vague platitude that seems like useful information won't help someone who has no context for that information. the dumb motherfrickers who get big and strong have friends helping them, or some other context. maybe it's not even about being dumb vs smart. maybe some people just have ocd or a lot of anxiety and need some additional guidance and context before they feel confident enough to get on a piece of equipment at a public gym. maybe the dumb overconfident guys just don't give a shit and that's why they succeed.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>to avoid falling into the pitfalls of a bunch of wasted effort?
When you are absolute begginer and start from zero, no, you just need to practice. The only pitfall you can fall into at this point is not to work.
>move weights around in random directions
Youtube. Fricking. Tutorials.
How much of a mongoloid do you have to be to start "moving weights around in random directions"? I refuse to believe anybody could be as stupid as you.
>ask forum-dweller friends how to improve because it seems like there are so many fundamental skills before even "basic" illustrations
there are, this is why /ic/ autists will tell you to read Loomis or Vilpu
>just draw
this is in response to wasting your time in a Laotian chinchilla-rearing image board asking inane questions instead of drawing.
If you cannot draw basic shapes, you literally just need to draw more, what other solution to this particular problem can be? There are no fricking trick. When things become complicated and you want advice how to paint animal fur in dynamic scenes or some other shit, some tips can help.
Same with lifting, if you are newb, you just need consistency, some technique and hard work, when you will need to break a plateau on your deadlift, yeah, mb some tips will help you, but before that just fricking lift.
This scenario you describe, is exactly why I did not go into computer science and swallowed the finance pill instead
>hey how do I get into programming and comp sci, what should I study >you don't need a specific degree, just experience >what sort of experience is useful >anything really, just build stuff
-.-
This Anon has the right of it. This is how many forum-dwellers give "advice"
>Have zero illustration skills >can't draw basic shapes >ask forum-dweller friends how to improve because it seems like there are so many fundamental skills before even "basic" illustrations >just draw
At least stickies and wikis exist. 99% of what you can get out of IST is explained better in the sticky than it would be in here.
Lifting is different because it requires a lot of trial and error, as there’s no objectively correct way to do it. Ultimately the best routine is whichever you can actually stick to
It's difficult to convey the beginning stages of lifting to a newbie because they seem intuitive, but you end up having to iron out a lot of stupid shit in the process. Sure the habit formation is easy, but clearing out shit like bad form / overtraining / poor rest etc. requires some understanding of the signs and causes of each, which is best conveyed to a newbie by an experienced lifter. I may have taught myself what to look out for, but shit, there are a bunch of tards on here that b***h about joints / sleep / pain and don't know the cause because nobody even pointed them to basic resources. At least we have a sticky... that barely scratches the surface.
This scenario you describe, is exactly why I did not go into computer science and swallowed the finance pill instead
>hey how do I get into programming and comp sci, what should I study >you don't need a specific degree, just experience >what sort of experience is useful >anything really, just build stuff
-.-
I taught myself what little I know, but thankfully there are plenty of resources out there you can Google / pirate to teach yourself without much experience. Anything you wanted to do specifically? I'm a financelet, so I could use some help from you in exchange.
I am 130 iq 6’1” 200lbs with abs (also white and blonde) and agree with that anon. Being able to clearly and concisely advise a layman is a mark of expertise.
Basic programming is not so obvious that your galaxy-brain cannot explain it. I bet you think never participating in conversation makes you smarter others. Your pride exceeds your actual ability.
the point is that that anon needs to be spoonfed everything because he's incapable of looking up the basics on his own. It's one thing to ask something specific after you've done a modicum research, another is to ask lazy generic questions like "how do I put on muscle mass?", in which case it's no wonder people can't be bothered to answer you in detail. There's a reason why "read the sticky" is such a common answer here
The mistake you're making is thinking the responsibility is on strangers to educate the poster on material that is abundantly available all over the internet. If someone can't take the initiative to find training material, how would they ever have the initiative to start or the willpower to train consistently?
Posting "stats" with no way to verify them in order to bolster your argument is pathetic and reads like cope.
>things that require previous knowledge and experience to understand
Doing basic compounds twice a week is difficult to understand for you?
Life must be so hard with your IQ. Us non-midwits can just watch a few tutorials on youtube to learn the movements and we're good to go. Takes 5 minutes.
>move weights around in random directions
Youtube. Fricking. Tutorials.
How much of a mongoloid do you have to be to start "moving weights around in random directions"? I refuse to believe anybody could be as stupid as you.
Ahh so you're admitting the most basic vague shit like "just lift", "just do compound movements" etc. is completely useless and the person receiving that advice needs to go to an ACTUAL source for REAL advice? And im the shit wit....Lmbo.
If you can figure out a squat, push up, or pull up, thats on you.
The point os to just do anything cuz it gets the blood moving and causes something to happen to build upon. The specifics don't matter at that level. They're not tell you to do power cleans.
Of pretending to sit and standing back up before you fall is too complex, please just wear a sign from now on that says you're stupid, so the rest of us will know right away and treat you more appropriate
I was like left when I started. It's just excitement and motivation for getting into a new hobby. When you lift for years, that begins to fade and you keep going out of discipline and habit rather than passion.
kek left is what goes through my mind. I don't know if what I eat is actually benefits me. For example it says on a package 15g protein per 100g. But is that true? For example I eat 400g of cottage cheese per day, it says 18g protein per 100g. But I really doubt I get 72g of protein just from cottage cheese.
Also I eat 10 eggs every morning, but they are only semicooked. So I have a very slopped fried eggs, are they bad/good? How many calories? How many proteins?
Start worrying about that shit when you're an elite level professional athlete and that level of optimization can mean the difference between a win or a loss. If you're the type of person who eats 10 eggs every morning then you're not going to struggle with protein.
> Friends get into lifting > Even do basic programs > Some even take sarms > Low numbers after a long time
That image should be edited to say just fricking lift as HEAVY as you can safely. I swear c**ts don't push themselves.
>nah bro just lift and do whatever bro do machines at low intensity for 3 months bro don't use barbells bro your noobie gains means it doesn't matter bro
Compounds are basically any exercise that is using several muscle groups together to perform it. The big five are normally considered as the bench press, squat, deadlift, overhead press and pullup/barbell row; but there are plenty of others.
The bench press for example uses chest, front delts and triceps primarily. A deadlift uses your glutes and hamstrings, while also incorporating your spinal erectors, lats, abdominal muscles, traps mainly isometrically.
>coworker wants to go to gym >recommend he just goes for 30 min for a few weeks so he doesn't burn him self out >immediately starts lifting heavy for an hour+ everyday >after a week stops, saying it wrecks his body >goes back to smoking and eating chips all day
I really hate it when people ask for advice and just do their own thing anyway
It's really kind of sad. Ancient humans didn't just sit around on a computer all day. Eventually at some age you have to realize that calisthenics is the bare minimum for health.
you get to the point where you stop giving advice or trying to encourage others. Just don't be too smug about it when your friends start b***hing about their backs hurting or whatever as you get to your 40s
>imaginary discussion with ugly and silly man? >imaginary
90% of IST is 185lb benchers and sub3plate squatters arguing about which babbys first program or magic moron diet will make them look like stage-ready CBum, while ignoring the recommendations of the powersharters who are actually strong because they think strength training makes you fat.
It always has and always will be this way.
Is doing pushups, pullups, squats to exhaustian twice a weak + cycling for 90 minutes twice or three times a weak + stretching every day good for a noob?
Should I change anything or pay attention to something? I do have some kettlebells from my family that I could use.
I've been thinking maybe I want to add a wrist routine or grip strength training or something, but I want to avoid the gym as of yet, I don't feel ready.
Good for gains?
No.
Good for getting into shape/weight loss?
Yeah, why not. You could do worse.
Get access to some equipment if you actually want to build strength, or you can commit to getting autistically into calisthenics. Keep in mind that calisthenics will give you a way different (read: worse) body than gym training, but some guys are into that lifestyle.
Lifting will only improve your image by about 10% or so. You still need a good looking face, hair, money, social status, come from a good family, have a good personality and charisma.
Lifting kind of becomes a drag once you realize it's sort of pointless. Most people do it because they have nothing else to do and also get socialize with others a little bit. The gym is full of incels, average people and wagies.
If left's mindset doesn't change they eventually evolves to be the type of people who will give unsolicited "advice" to people lifting 10x the amount they do, and will instinctually recommend people to "drop the weight and focus on form" for any lift where the person's form degrades for 0.00001 milliseconds at the tail end of the set
As soon as you use the word "just" when talking to someone who doesn't already do something, you are admitting you are not a reliable source of information due to lack of perspective. Whether that's physical health, mental health, dating, or any other set of skills/habits. Next time you find yourself typing "just..." go ahead and just don't reply instead
*overcomplicates lifting in your path
i think you're moronic if you think mike israelsson is overcomplicated
he literally gives the same advice as the guy on the right to beginners
Does Israetel still go on autistic rants about "mesocycles" and "RIR" or did he leave that stuff behind? I haven't listened to him in a while.
>5'5
That's not athlean x
Why does he refuse to understand or even acknowledge the existence of Starting Strength (except once on some podcast)? He makes videos targeted at novices but his workout advice is clearly focused on high level training. It's kind of strange honestly.
you need to stop going to the starting strength subreddit. your brain cannot withstand the circlejerk because you're not autistic. This is a good thing.
because rippebreasts is a fraud and his routine is a scam
Starting strength is only good for teenagers
>israelite Israel
>Garbage training methodology
>Only gains muscle because he is on large amounts of anabolics
>Loses every contest he enters
The Umax plate is 17.5" in diameter. That's 3.5 x 17.5 = 61.25" or 5'1.25"
>Provides the antidote
rick the stick is my favorite online person, him rambling 40 minutes about will tennyson video is pure kino.
israelite mike is a roiding manlet so everything he says should be disregarded
>yeah so just do X amount sets a week for this bodypart and Y for this bodypart etc. every week and try to spread it out over at least 2 different days of training, try to do a variety of exercises and don't limit yourself to just a couple of them
>overcomplicates lifting
Didn't know that IST was filled with morons. Geez. You shouldn't even try getting into advanced powerlifting routines because your peanut sized brain could blow up.
> do X amount sets a week for this bodypart
Dr.israelite literally come up with concepts of MV, MEV, MAV, and MRV (which are different for each lifter), so it is nice that you share that you dont actually understand what his methodology is about.
boogz is truly the only influencer with an understandable methodology. "just horsewiener the weight" is something even the smallest man could understand.
meanwhile russian israelites with "degrees" are trying to meme you into lifting teeny tiny weights for thousands of reps so that you make no gains
>"just horsewiener the weight" is something even the smallest man could understand.
Literally what the frick does that mean?
Work hard, increase weights, don't be afraid of little loose form or lifting heavy.
if i pointed to a weight, and instructed you to horsewiener it, i feel like you would know what i meant.
https://www.instagram.com/chuckvogelpohl/reel/CmK01iMJ_Wi/
D-do I stick my penis in it?
Literally steroid talk. I wish avoiding injury was talked about more on these forums as it's the most important aspect to lifting.
You literally has less chances to injure yourself when your are natty, as your joints get stronger with about the same speed as your muscles. And it is if we don't talk about vile shit that allows you to pass your body protection mechanisms.
>*simplifies lifting in your path*
>should I do stronglifts? my goal is to be aesthetic
If you answer "just lift" to this, then you need to an hero
What's the answer then
you'd use a bodybuilding focused routine if ur goal is to be aesthetic. Stronglifts is an introduction to powerlifting.
Like what
I bet you're really small and weak though?
Stronglifts for a few months to build a base is a good idea for anyone. If I was training someone IRL I would have them avoid a barbell at first but without in person guidance a beginner barbell program is acceptable.
It's smart to do a basic strength training routine as a beginner before you do some moronic 6 day bodybuilding split.
Just lift still works. You want bigger arms focus on arms. You want abs do abs. You want big calves focus on calves.
if you're asking if stronglifts is a program used toi get aesthetics then high chances are you haven't stepped foot into a gym. so yes, "just lift" is the correct answer
Post body
For 90% of newbies, just hit a machine or start running. You don't need anything else.
When you get more advanced you can do other stuff, but for the first three months, machines (with written instructions on the machine) or running/jogging is fine.
This. Just lift and once you hit a plateau, eat more protein/calories, get 8 hours of sleep, and make sure you're doing juuuust a little more each workout (increase reps/weight). It's that easy.
>just frick around and waste 3 months
why? why not start with a program and begin putting in meaningful work from day 1?
>running
homie what?
Real issue is the guy on the right is roiding and thinks he can give advice to the 35 yo skinnyfat office worker
Dude on the left started the convo. Dude on the right just wants it to end.
>hey man i want to do an activity
>just do these things that require previous knowledge and experience to understand, which you don't have yet
>umm... can i have just some like more step by step guidance? or just a simple to do list
>dude... just do these things that appear simple to me because i have years of knowledge and experience on the subject
>yeah, as i've stated, i don't have enough baseline knowledge or experience on this subject to intuitively do the basic steps. can you just walk me through the basics?
>no man, i am too stupid to comprehend that you need more basic building blocks and information to get to the level where you could participate in the beginner stages of this activity, and i will thus just keep repeating the least helpful, most vague advice possible, in hopes that you will miraculously absorb the years of knowledge and experience that now make this complex activity intuitive for me
>thanks, bro. you have been completely unhelpful. why did you even participate in this conversation if you had absolutely nothing useful to contribute?
>i like to be able to feel like i'm giving advice and helping people, but i don't want to go through the effort of seeing things from their point of view and level of knowledge, or providing any useful information.
>fair enough.
this. There's obviously optimal ways to lift, eat, recover, etc. Why not aim to learn and share that knowledge?
>There's obviously optimal ways to lift, eat, recover, etc.
No there isn't you moron. Literally all you need to know is just what Dragonball teaches you. Work hard, eat hard, sleep hard.
This Anon has the right of it. This is how many forum-dwellers give "advice"
>Have zero illustration skills
>can't draw basic shapes
>ask forum-dweller friends how to improve because it seems like there are so many fundamental skills before even "basic" illustrations
>just draw
At least stickies and wikis exist. 99% of what you can get out of IST is explained better in the sticky than it would be in here.
Lifting is different because it requires a lot of trial and error, as there’s no objectively correct way to do it. Ultimately the best routine is whichever you can actually stick to
>dude if you're depressed just be happy
>dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques
>dude if you want to lift weights just throw your body at them and move weights around in random directions, on random days of the year, without any particular programming or schedule, and you will eventually learn how to have an efficient and effective training routine
>i need everything spoonfed to me because i am a big ass baby that is scared of momentary failure so i just wait in the lobby of any domain until someone has the pity to pick me up and carry me
>i'm too stupid to differentiate the desired outcome of a series of steps from those series of steps; therefore, the person who wants to know the series of steps is immature
what the frick are you on about mate
>duurr gewgle is say but i cant wead it good so I need a chaperone for moving my fat moronic body against material calibrated for that sole purpose
>I need to shit up google search results by posting vague platitudes on various online forums so when someone has a real question they will have to sift through my mounds of useless text before finding useful information
You dont have a question you fricking pencilneck. You want EXERCISE explained to you. Holy frick. Pay me six figures a year and i will explain it to you. Otherwise you're just being an autistic shitbag. 5 dollar words dont count when some 90 iq jabroni benches triple what you do
bruh i am laughing at you... lmbo
believe it or not the jabroni who benches 6 plate was at one point a beginner lifter, whose parents enrolled him in football or some sport like that, where he was taught how to weightlift by a coach or some shit... if someone has not experienced that shit it would be HELPFUL to provide them with more basic guidance, and giving vague guidance is UNHELPFUL... you don't need to be paid to not give shitty advice. just don't pretend you're giving real advice when it's useless.
Pick up a weight, put It back down. Eat. Sleep. Pick up a bigger weight and put it down. Repeat.
do you guys know how to read? i'm explaining the difference between useful and useless advice. i'm not literally saying i don't know how to exercise.
>I'm not moronic
>I'm just defending the moronic
That's worse, tbh
fricking benchod.
You're never gonna make it dude...
Holy frick my pajeetdar is going nuts
You are a stupid flabby little boy
>tfw too intelligent to pick up heavy things and put them down repeatedly
I'm with the other Anon on this. If you lack the initiative to figure this stuff out for yourself, then you were never going to stick with lifting. "Just hit each muscle group twice a week with basic compounds like benchpress, pullups, squats" is perfectly reasonable advice for beginners and you should absolutely be able to figure it out from there. If you can't then you're a lost cause.
Have you ever been to a gym? There are some really dumb motherfrickers who manage to get really fricking big and strong. Don't act like you're too smart to figure it out.
Football coaches are some of the biggest morons around when it comes to strength training. This is not the own you thought it was.
Plus what everybody else said.
What the frick do you even want? The basic advice is simple, do compound movements and hit every muscle group 2-3 times a week. Tutorials for these basic movements are everywhere on youtube hundreds of times and compound lift based beginner programms are also abundant. All of them work and they are pretty much optimal.
You literally have a robot at your finger tips that will answer any question you type into it and you’re mad you’re not being spoonfed hard enough? Kys immediately Black person
Not fair. 98% of Google searches are bogus.
Dumb ass, how to do a squat gif shows you how in the very first image result. Are you really this lazy stupid and useless?
If you can’t figure out how to lift weights then you’re hopeless. It’s an art, not a science
>>dude if you're depressed just be happy
Yes
>dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques
found the ai sodomite
>there's just so many options I just don't know where to start!
The answer to all of your dumbass scenarios is literally just pick any fricking option and stick with it. From there you'll figure out what works for you and what doesn't. This whole thing you do where you sit around doing nothing while you wait for someone else to hand you the thing that's exactly perfect for exactly what you want to accomplish is the reason why you're small, weak, depressed, and can't draw.
And because I know you're gonna fricking do it, don't even come back to me with that
>oh but what if I deliberately pick the most moronic thing possible and learn wrong!?
bullshit, because if that's the case then you were doomed to failure and no one could have helped you anyways. Or alternately if you have even a shred of intelligence, you could at very least learn what not to do next time.
>yoo bro just do draw a box and you will become a better drawer
>thanks man i just wasted a ton of time and energy doing reps of drawing boxes and now i fricking hate drawing
>duuude just do loooomis
>thanks brah now i can draw really stupid looking 50s era cartoon heads and i hate drawing
it's almost like there are so many bad options that with a little bit of hand holding you can guide someone in a better direction that works for them. rather than just repeating "just pick an option bro" and pretending like you're helping someone. my whole point comes down to this: there is good advice and bad advice. the people who give bad advice should not pat themselves on the back thinking they're giving good advice. telling someone they suck because they're a beginner and don't know where to start isn't being helpful"
>I'm a beginner at [X], what should I do?
Learn the fundamentals and practice.
>but that's boooooring! I want to be good at it now! You must be hiding the REAL advice that would make me good at it instantly!
My man, this is some really pathetic shit and for your own sake you need to stop. Whether it's lifting, drawing, playing an instrument, or whatever else, if you want to get good at it there's no way around the grind. There is no special trick, there is no secret to it, no magic, it's just fricking do the work. Someone telling you to just fricking do the work doesn't become bad advice just because you can't hack it, it was just good advice you failed to follow.
Loomis and drawabox worked for countless of people. You're not a special snowflake. If 1 month of grinding Loomis makes you truly detest drawing then feel free to try out other options like Vilpu or do whatever ineffective shit makes you stick to it. Trace animango, doodle aimlessly, etc.
>follows bad program
>gets injured
What program was/is it?
>oh but what if I deliberately pick the most moronic thing possible and learn wrong!?
You just couldn't help yourself, could you?
>dude if you want to learn to draw photorealistic faces, just scribble on a piece of paper until you get a feel of pencil. Then we can get going.
>But bro, I want to magically learn perspective, anatomy, and other artistic techniques neeeeeowww! Frick the pencil
That's the more accurate analogy
>hey brah i noticed that when i am in drawing progress threads on /ic/, there is a massive gap between certain people. why do some people make large improvements in their drawing ability, while others toil for years and never get out of shitty looking symbol drawing mlp fanporn? Is it possible that there is some type of guidance i could follow to avoid falling into the pitfalls of a bunch of wasted effort?
>no man. you need to just draw.
let me walk it back a bit. i'm not trying to own anyone. i'm just trying to point out that some people get some form of guidance and others don't. the guy in football or whatever organized sport will get some form of guardrails and some basic concepts drilled into him like progressive overload, observing other people lifting, etc. which even if he has moronic coaches, will help him learn the basics. rather than a person who doesn't get that experience, who will still need help learning the basics. it's like if you were teaching someone to drive, the person who grew up with a family with a car would simply be at an advantage (in the earliest stages of learning) compared to someone who grew up in a family without one, by getting a lot of context through observation, etc.
again, i have no problem with this stuff. i am simply pointing out the difference between useful advice and useless "advice." i am pointing out that there are various learning gaps among beginner lifters, and that a vague platitude that seems like useful information won't help someone who has no context for that information. the dumb motherfrickers who get big and strong have friends helping them, or some other context. maybe it's not even about being dumb vs smart. maybe some people just have ocd or a lot of anxiety and need some additional guidance and context before they feel confident enough to get on a piece of equipment at a public gym. maybe the dumb overconfident guys just don't give a shit and that's why they succeed.
>to avoid falling into the pitfalls of a bunch of wasted effort?
When you are absolute begginer and start from zero, no, you just need to practice. The only pitfall you can fall into at this point is not to work.
>move weights around in random directions
Youtube. Fricking. Tutorials.
How much of a mongoloid do you have to be to start "moving weights around in random directions"? I refuse to believe anybody could be as stupid as you.
>ask forum-dweller friends how to improve because it seems like there are so many fundamental skills before even "basic" illustrations
there are, this is why /ic/ autists will tell you to read Loomis or Vilpu
>just draw
this is in response to wasting your time in a Laotian chinchilla-rearing image board asking inane questions instead of drawing.
If you cannot draw basic shapes, you literally just need to draw more, what other solution to this particular problem can be? There are no fricking trick. When things become complicated and you want advice how to paint animal fur in dynamic scenes or some other shit, some tips can help.
Same with lifting, if you are newb, you just need consistency, some technique and hard work, when you will need to break a plateau on your deadlift, yeah, mb some tips will help you, but before that just fricking lift.
This scenario you describe, is exactly why I did not go into computer science and swallowed the finance pill instead
>hey how do I get into programming and comp sci, what should I study
>you don't need a specific degree, just experience
>what sort of experience is useful
>anything really, just build stuff
-.-
Yeah that sounds about right.
It's difficult to convey the beginning stages of lifting to a newbie because they seem intuitive, but you end up having to iron out a lot of stupid shit in the process. Sure the habit formation is easy, but clearing out shit like bad form / overtraining / poor rest etc. requires some understanding of the signs and causes of each, which is best conveyed to a newbie by an experienced lifter. I may have taught myself what to look out for, but shit, there are a bunch of tards on here that b***h about joints / sleep / pain and don't know the cause because nobody even pointed them to basic resources. At least we have a sticky... that barely scratches the surface.
I taught myself what little I know, but thankfully there are plenty of resources out there you can Google / pirate to teach yourself without much experience. Anything you wanted to do specifically? I'm a financelet, so I could use some help from you in exchange.
>this is what living as a midwit is like
grim
I am 130 iq 6’1” 200lbs with abs (also white and blonde) and agree with that anon. Being able to clearly and concisely advise a layman is a mark of expertise.
Basic programming is not so obvious that your galaxy-brain cannot explain it. I bet you think never participating in conversation makes you smarter others. Your pride exceeds your actual ability.
the point is that that anon needs to be spoonfed everything because he's incapable of looking up the basics on his own. It's one thing to ask something specific after you've done a modicum research, another is to ask lazy generic questions like "how do I put on muscle mass?", in which case it's no wonder people can't be bothered to answer you in detail. There's a reason why "read the sticky" is such a common answer here
you're a shitwit and your opinion is shit
if you're new to lifting just read some basic articles and watch some videos to learn the movements
nothing else necessary
mongoloid
you don't even deserve punctuation
The mistake you're making is thinking the responsibility is on strangers to educate the poster on material that is abundantly available all over the internet. If someone can't take the initiative to find training material, how would they ever have the initiative to start or the willpower to train consistently?
Posting "stats" with no way to verify them in order to bolster your argument is pathetic and reads like cope.
Just use ChatGPT ya dingus
>things that require previous knowledge and experience to understand
Doing basic compounds twice a week is difficult to understand for you?
Life must be so hard with your IQ. Us non-midwits can just watch a few tutorials on youtube to learn the movements and we're good to go. Takes 5 minutes.
post body
Ahh so you're admitting the most basic vague shit like "just lift", "just do compound movements" etc. is completely useless and the person receiving that advice needs to go to an ACTUAL source for REAL advice? And im the shit wit....Lmbo.
If you can figure out a squat, push up, or pull up, thats on you.
The point os to just do anything cuz it gets the blood moving and causes something to happen to build upon. The specifics don't matter at that level. They're not tell you to do power cleans.
Of pretending to sit and standing back up before you fall is too complex, please just wear a sign from now on that says you're stupid, so the rest of us will know right away and treat you more appropriate
I was like left when I started. It's just excitement and motivation for getting into a new hobby. When you lift for years, that begins to fade and you keep going out of discipline and habit rather than passion.
so is the pink plug fine or not?
The color doesn’t really matter. It’s the diameter at the close and the amount of weight you’re squatting.
kek left is what goes through my mind. I don't know if what I eat is actually benefits me. For example it says on a package 15g protein per 100g. But is that true? For example I eat 400g of cottage cheese per day, it says 18g protein per 100g. But I really doubt I get 72g of protein just from cottage cheese.
Also I eat 10 eggs every morning, but they are only semicooked. So I have a very slopped fried eggs, are they bad/good? How many calories? How many proteins?
Start worrying about that shit when you're an elite level professional athlete and that level of optimization can mean the difference between a win or a loss. If you're the type of person who eats 10 eggs every morning then you're not going to struggle with protein.
> Friends get into lifting
> Even do basic programs
> Some even take sarms
> Low numbers after a long time
That image should be edited to say just fricking lift as HEAVY as you can safely. I swear c**ts don't push themselves.
>nah bro just lift and do whatever bro do machines at low intensity for 3 months bro don't use barbells bro your noobie gains means it doesn't matter bro
I look, talk and am built like the guy on the left
Yoga gay here. What does compounds mean?
Compounds are basically any exercise that is using several muscle groups together to perform it. The big five are normally considered as the bench press, squat, deadlift, overhead press and pullup/barbell row; but there are plenty of others.
The bench press for example uses chest, front delts and triceps primarily. A deadlift uses your glutes and hamstrings, while also incorporating your spinal erectors, lats, abdominal muscles, traps mainly isometrically.
>lift weights consistently
>don't eat like shit
>eat protein
It's that easy.
>coworker wants to go to gym
>recommend he just goes for 30 min for a few weeks so he doesn't burn him self out
>immediately starts lifting heavy for an hour+ everyday
>after a week stops, saying it wrecks his body
>goes back to smoking and eating chips all day
I really hate it when people ask for advice and just do their own thing anyway
Maybe because that was awful advice?
a lot of people just need to dive into it, eat enough calories and ask the moronic questions later on
They're not curious or interested. They ask questions to probe for reasons not to do it.
It's really kind of sad. Ancient humans didn't just sit around on a computer all day. Eventually at some age you have to realize that calisthenics is the bare minimum for health.
you get to the point where you stop giving advice or trying to encourage others. Just don't be too smug about it when your friends start b***hing about their backs hurting or whatever as you get to your 40s
>give advice
>they start arguing with it
people getting into fitness are some of the biggest fricking morons in the world.
That's very interesting, anon. Do you often make pictures of you as a fit man having imaginary discussion with ugly and silly man?
>imaginary discussion with ugly and silly man?
>imaginary
90% of IST is 185lb benchers and sub3plate squatters arguing about which babbys first program or magic moron diet will make them look like stage-ready CBum, while ignoring the recommendations of the powersharters who are actually strong because they think strength training makes you fat.
It always has and always will be this way.
Is doing pushups, pullups, squats to exhaustian twice a weak + cycling for 90 minutes twice or three times a weak + stretching every day good for a noob?
Should I change anything or pay attention to something? I do have some kettlebells from my family that I could use.
I've been thinking maybe I want to add a wrist routine or grip strength training or something, but I want to avoid the gym as of yet, I don't feel ready.
Good for gains?
No.
Good for getting into shape/weight loss?
Yeah, why not. You could do worse.
Get access to some equipment if you actually want to build strength, or you can commit to getting autistically into calisthenics. Keep in mind that calisthenics will give you a way different (read: worse) body than gym training, but some guys are into that lifestyle.
Say I'm a reformed nerd, but still have spindley noodle arms, what's the fastest way to get them to grow?
Lift weights, specifically lifts that involve the use of your arms.
chinups
Lifting will only improve your image by about 10% or so. You still need a good looking face, hair, money, social status, come from a good family, have a good personality and charisma.
Lifting kind of becomes a drag once you realize it's sort of pointless. Most people do it because they have nothing else to do and also get socialize with others a little bit. The gym is full of incels, average people and wagies.
>still posting demoralization on IST
get a real job lol
>science communicator
If left's mindset doesn't change they eventually evolves to be the type of people who will give unsolicited "advice" to people lifting 10x the amount they do, and will instinctually recommend people to "drop the weight and focus on form" for any lift where the person's form degrades for 0.00001 milliseconds at the tail end of the set
Astounding that there is some moron offended that a weight room knowledge suppository isnt available for him to take and promptly ignore.
M: clean and press working up to a top set of 5
Clean and front squat working up to a top set of 3
W; clean and press as above
Deadlift as above
F: repeat of day A
.8g per lb of current bodyweight of protein. Eat some vegetables sometimes. Aim for an actual 8 hours every night.
As soon as you use the word "just" when talking to someone who doesn't already do something, you are admitting you are not a reliable source of information due to lack of perspective. Whether that's physical health, mental health, dating, or any other set of skills/habits. Next time you find yourself typing "just..." go ahead and just don't reply instead
Fixed it for you
i feel your fricking pain OP. every single interest i have is flooded with these homosexuals.
what happened to using a goddamn search engine