Esoteric knowledge on IR

I finally found the cause of my weight problem, why everyone in my family is and always was at minimum overweight. My sister decided to get some lab work done and they found sufficient evidence of insulin resistance. And all of it sounds like me and all our relatives. Cool, I know what it is, now how do I fix it? In the past I’ve tried
>high cardio 5 days a week
>restricting calories to 1200
>restricting calories to 500
>following keto plans (meme diet I know but I’d heard so much about it helping)
>weight lifting
>OMAD and eating every other day
>various combinations
The best results I ever had was combining serious restrictions with cardio but I was fricking miserable and felt like an anorexic woman. I had minimal results with lifting, I lost a smidge of fat but I still had that characteristic fat face and this slight belly I just couldn’t get rid of. I’ve had enough of stupid fricking dads that don’t work, big Pharma shills, and muh “just eat less bro”. I want that weird esoteric shit that sounds schizo but actually puts insulin resistance into remission. Someone on this whole board has to know something I haven’t tried.

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    eat clean.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’ve seen diets all for IR saying the opposite things.
      >go vegan
      >no go keto
      >eat whole grains
      >frick literally every carb, potato, grain, all of its evil
      Which one is actually helpful or right? They’ve all got huge following allegedly, but I’m aware of a lot of frauds in healthcare

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's no silver bullet answer here... If there was, it would cost thousands of dollars, because it works!

        The best you can do, is to think about how the foods you eat are going to be handled by your body.

        Bowls of pasta are basically bowls of sugar, because the grain used to make it, has been so processed, that it is basically just starch, and starch breaks down into sugar. Same with tomato sauce - tomatoes are actually a fruit, and have a LOT of sugar in them.

        Mexican food and chinese food are very high in starch and sugar, but you can control it. Don't eat it every day... And when you do eat Mexican, drop the refried beans and corn chips and tortillas.

        Opt for street tacos or fajitas and request lettuce as a wrap!

        Chinese food - avoid the rice... It's starch, which is sugar. Avoid a lot of heavy, sugary sauces, like sesame or sweet n sour.

        Italian - ditch the pasta, go for a steak and tuscan grilled vegetables!

        Steak is great, but skip the loaded baked potato and onion blossom! Get a salad and vegetables instead!

        Lunchtime - skip the sandwich bread, throw an extra handful of lunch meat in the bag and just eat it, with some carrot and celery sticks.

        Skip breakfast and if you like coffee, get one without all the schnizzle-ba-jizzle in it!

        You can still enjoy coffee, just skip the carmel and mocha, and whipped cream (jizzle).

        In fact, coffee is an appetite suppressant! - go large!

        Consider eating a salad, as a meal, for at least 2, maybe 3 days of your week... You can have meat as a reward on day 4, if you dont cheat and eat junk!

        I hope some of this helps. Good luck!

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    do thyroid function test

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Our mom had one done years ago, same with my sister, and it found nothing. So far all they’ve found is consistent insulin resistance

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    insulin resistance causes you to piss out sugar so it would help you lose weight ,not cause you to gain it

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      A 2 second google search can say that’s wrong. You don’t just piss it out you store everything and actually use nothing

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      you only piss out sugar in very late stage diabetes

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bump. If nobody here knows then I’ll just do as much varied research as possible and do OMAD and a keto combo. No sugar no insulin problem right?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but how? I’ve had such a hard time, it feels like my body just stores everything I DO eat and I’ve never had much luck being anorexic, I end up feeling nauseas 24/7 and too tired to workout

      I have been stuck at a specific weight for 3 months doing the same low calorie meals and shit tons of cardio routine as well. Feels like my body supernaturally holds onto the remaining fat no matter how hard I work out or how little I eat. I want to try 24 hour fasting but I am sure my body will eat what little muscle I have gained before the tummy fat.

      https://i.imgur.com/F0Q33hj.jpg

      [...]
      [...]
      Even at my very leanest, (and no I’m not one of those moron that don’t count beverages or “snacks don’t count” I DO count every single thing and overshoot calories just in case I’m off) I still have that belly fat. And face fat. Even when I can see the muscle in my thighs and arms. It’s just never enough.

      you have a very apparent fatlogic mindset where your body magically violates the laws of physics due to a minor health condition and boohoo poor you. snap out of it or you're NGMI
      >insulin resistance
      fasting (intermittent or longer), avoid sugar, eat cinnamon whenever you can, get prescribed metformin or ozempic if you need to, and MOST IMPORTANTLY lose weight by tracking your calories and eating at a deficit
      >t. former fatty

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ozempic

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They actually just got into a lot of trouble for stomach issues with the drug, I’ve heard that metformin can help a lot but I see a very similar issue: life long patient.
      You can’t ever just stop taking it, you have to continue the drugs or you go right back to the very hormonal imbalances that started the problem.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be a neurotic pussy. Take the drug.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          But I’d need it forever :^( I know it would work, but isn’t there a natural way to repair hormonal imbalances? Something that’s not hippy bullshit, I’m not asking for essential oils to cure cancer ya know?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, the way is to lose weight

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Once you've lost fat and put on muscle you'll be less insulin resistant. GLP-1 agonists also fix your beta cells to function better. Muscle soaks up insulin, fat inside your abdomen causes insulin resistance. Take the drugs.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the solution is right in front of me but I'd rather whine and cry than fix anything
            le big pharma schizo rhetoric is so two years ago, we're pharmamaxxing now

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            sugar is the problem and when you're lighter you'll probably feel like it sucks ass so plan to gain weight back as muscle

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Please tell me you're vaccinated

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    i have type1 diabeetus and the only thing that makes me less insulin resistance is dropping weight

    there is no magic fix other than going skelly mode

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but how? I’ve had such a hard time, it feels like my body just stores everything I DO eat and I’ve never had much luck being anorexic, I end up feeling nauseas 24/7 and too tired to workout

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        dont eat plants

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not even leafy greens for fiber and minerals?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus dude you are overcomplicating things
        Eat less, move more
        And don't be a weak fatty who fails at it again
        >I've tried restricting calories to 500
        No you haven't, and if you did, you simply didn't do it long enough
        People herded into concentration camps didn't stay fat you stupid frick
        What you actually need is to be taken away from your fridge and have your fork privileges taken away, you simply cannot be trusted with your own diet because you are a weak soft idiot with no self control or discipline
        Literally nothing you do will help you until you accept this simple truth, you have a problem, it's not some conspiracy from big pharma, or big corn, or big fricking Teflon, or anything, it's you
        Alcoholic Anonymous starts out with everyone saying they are alcoholics, you need to fricking own up to your problems you fat frick
        EAT LESS MOVE MORE
        It is literally LITERALLY infallible
        If you aren't losing weight, eat less, eat less until you are literally eating nothing if it is required, and don't be a fricking moron who drinks twelve mountain dews and four mega caramel heavy cream wet dreams from Starbucks and doesn't count them as calories because they are drinks or whatever other fricktarded fatty logic you useless fat whales are smoking

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    homie just stop resisting it?

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sunlight

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I did think about this, it helped my mood a lot for sure and I cut time out just for getting sun, but I actually lost more weight when I was on night crew and didn’t see the sun very often.

      https://i.imgur.com/DIoLIFZ.jpg

      homie just stop resisting it?

      Zamn why I ain’t do dis sheet yet

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have been stuck at a specific weight for 3 months doing the same low calorie meals and shit tons of cardio routine as well. Feels like my body supernaturally holds onto the remaining fat no matter how hard I work out or how little I eat. I want to try 24 hour fasting but I am sure my body will eat what little muscle I have gained before the tummy fat.

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just lose weight. That’s it

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    you have to eat high fiber lots of cabbage broccoli that one cereal that sucks ass but has like 20g of fiber
    the problem is sugar and how sugar is supposed to come is with a lot of fiber like any fruit we remove the fiber to store it on shelves longer and people get a million problem because of that
    you can absolutely have sugar just from real fruits berries real berry juice the shit that costs like $5-10
    eat high fiber lift weights and do cardio

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The best results I ever had was combining serious restrictions with cardio but I was fricking miserable and felt like an anorexic woman. I had minimal results with lifting, I lost a smidge of fat but I still had that characteristic fat face and this slight belly I just couldn’t get rid of.
    How long did you stay at these things anon

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      6 months with cardio and restrictions before I just couldn’t keep up, and about a year and a half of lifting.

      I have been stuck at a specific weight for 3 months doing the same low calorie meals and shit tons of cardio routine as well. Feels like my body supernaturally holds onto the remaining fat no matter how hard I work out or how little I eat. I want to try 24 hour fasting but I am sure my body will eat what little muscle I have gained before the tummy fat.

      Yeah. That’s where I was with lifting, and very very easily I lost the muscle I’d built up. I’d recommend making a separate thread for fasting while specifically avoiding muscle loss… for actual fasting yeah I can do 36 hours, all I need is water and black coffee and I’m happy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20Y&t=6s
      sugar is the problem and when you're lighter you'll probably feel like it sucks ass so plan to gain weight back as muscle

      Oh yeah no I want to gain muscle back, the problem is that honestly I need to get this moronic circular problem under control first. So far nothing really gets it under full control and it takes extreme dedication to be average weight, when my tactics should land me underweight.

      >the solution is right in front of me but I'd rather whine and cry than fix anything
      le big pharma schizo rhetoric is so two years ago, we're pharmamaxxing now

      Once you've lost fat and put on muscle you'll be less insulin resistant. GLP-1 agonists also fix your beta cells to function better. Muscle soaks up insulin, fat inside your abdomen causes insulin resistance. Take the drugs.

      Is it really possible to stop them though? Or will I become resistant immediately after I have it controlled? I’ve here great things AS LONG AS you don’t treat it like a magic pill and actually stay away from most carbs and simple sugars

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I just couldn't keep up
        Fatty gives up
        Many such cases

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you get it you get it if you don’t you don’t. I put my wife on the same diet and exercise routine, and she lost all her excess fat. She even had cheat days. I didn’t. And I still didn’t reach my goals. I’m still trying but eating 500cal a day and running for an hour and a half every day just fricking killed me. I was too tired too hungry too moody to keep doing that shit

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            500cal
            90min cardio
            Can't lose weight
            Yeah nah, this is just another case of a fatty overreporting exercise and underreporting caloric intake
            >Under-reporting of total energy intake is a common and well-known source of measurement error in dietary assessment, and evidence suggests that this bias is particularly significant in obese individuals. After a multi-stage selection process of eligible papers, this literature review appraised 34 papers detailing the accuracy of self-reported dietary intake in people with an obese body mass index (BMI ⩾ 30). The available literature to date shows that having a body mass index ⩾30 is associated with significant under-reporting of food intake. Future research should look into identifying effective techniques to reduce this bias in clinical practice.

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminds me of the metabolic dispriviledge guy

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I finally found the cause of my weight problem
    Insulin resistance is caused by intra-abdominal (visceral) fat interfering with the function of the pancreas and liver, and secreting its own hormones. You have insulin resistance because you are fat, you did not become fat because you are insulin resistant, although it will contribute to a spiral of greater obesity and diabetes. The cure is to remove the fat inside your abdomen by losing weight and getting lean.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just lose weight. That’s it

      Yeah, the way is to lose weight

      Even at my very leanest, (and no I’m not one of those moron that don’t count beverages or “snacks don’t count” I DO count every single thing and overshoot calories just in case I’m off) I still have that belly fat. And face fat. Even when I can see the muscle in my thighs and arms. It’s just never enough.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        do you eat enough fiber?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          No human needs any fiber

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe you can accept that you can never be as lean as some guys but that doesn't mean you should stay where you are and use this hard cap as excuse not to do something

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's because you have that visceral fat you have insulin resistance. Don't stop losing weight until you have lost the visceral intra-abdominal fat.

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you consume any seed oils? Particularly basedbean oil?

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>high cardio 5 days a week
    calories to 1200
    calories to 500
    keto plans (meme diet I know but I’d heard so much about it helping)
    lifting
    >>OMAD and eating every other day
    combinations
    So you can't commit to a course of action.

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tudca, PQQ, ginseng, ZMk... All lower insulin resistance. Berberine does as well and also promotes weight loss.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      If your tongue is pale, look for Xiang sha liu jun si tang as powder. If your tongue is red with yellow coating, take Long Dan Xie Gan Tang. These are chinese herbal formulas that clear dampness. Dampness is what they call fat.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is a multi-faceted problem that ultimately involves several systems, organs and hormones. The most simple explanation is that you have a metabolic disorder that causes your body to resist insulin, which causes the cells of your body to be starved of energy giving nutrients. Your body, in turn senses that you need more insulin, to 'open the door' on the cells, so the nutrients can get in there, and this causes more and more insulin to be required, burning out your pancreas.

    Additionally, you have more sugar in your blood, which acts like little diamond coated chainsaws on all your smallest capillaries - located in your kidneys, feet, eyes, etc., which, if not contrlled, will lead to failure of those organs.

    You also likely have less and less muscle mass, especially if you are sedentary or work in an office. The muscles are your fat and sugar burning reactors.

    The best way to prevent (or improve the situation), since, once you develop diabetes type II, you will always have it, is to...

    1. Eat less
    2. Eat more vegetables that anything else
    3. Eliminate all sugar from your diet
    4. Severely limit fruits (they have sugar)
    5. Eliminate carbs, or limit them so much that you might as well have.
    6. Most important of all, is to exercise for at least 30 minutes per day, every day! (think brisk walking, cycling, swimming, etc.)

    The exercise will not only burn the excess calories and sugars in your system, but it builds muscle that will keep burning the fat and sugars all day and night!

    Good luck!

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's no silver bullet answer here... If there was, it would cost thousands of dollars, because it works!

      The best you can do, is to think about how the foods you eat are going to be handled by your body.

      Bowls of pasta are basically bowls of sugar, because the grain used to make it, has been so processed, that it is basically just starch, and starch breaks down into sugar. Same with tomato sauce - tomatoes are actually a fruit, and have a LOT of sugar in them.

      Mexican food and chinese food are very high in starch and sugar, but you can control it. Don't eat it every day... And when you do eat Mexican, drop the refried beans and corn chips and tortillas.

      Opt for street tacos or fajitas and request lettuce as a wrap!

      Chinese food - avoid the rice... It's starch, which is sugar. Avoid a lot of heavy, sugary sauces, like sesame or sweet n sour.

      Italian - ditch the pasta, go for a steak and tuscan grilled vegetables!

      Steak is great, but skip the loaded baked potato and onion blossom! Get a salad and vegetables instead!

      Lunchtime - skip the sandwich bread, throw an extra handful of lunch meat in the bag and just eat it, with some carrot and celery sticks.

      Skip breakfast and if you like coffee, get one without all the schnizzle-ba-jizzle in it!

      You can still enjoy coffee, just skip the carmel and mocha, and whipped cream (jizzle).

      In fact, coffee is an appetite suppressant! - go large!

      Consider eating a salad, as a meal, for at least 2, maybe 3 days of your week... You can have meat as a reward on day 4, if you dont cheat and eat junk!

      I hope some of this helps. Good luck!

      do you know if using alternative sweeteners like stevia affects insulin levels?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        My experience and knowledge says that it will.

        While it doesn't add sugar to your system, it will trigger a release of insulin, which doesn't help you, at all.

        Additionally, use of artificial sweeteners, like aspertaim, has a carcinogenic effect (causes cancer).

        Use of splenda is also not recommended, because it is made of a synthetic molecule, which is very similar to sugar, but which our bodies dont have an enzyme to bond with, which means it is inert to the digestive system and simply passes on through. That sounds great, but there isn't enough evidence and data to prove that our bodies won't eventually find a way to break it down.

        Jeff Goldblum: 'Nature... Eh, finds a way.'

        If there is a mutation or adaptation that makes us able to digest it, it could cause some potentially undesirable and likely toxic effects.

        Stevia is a natural plant-based sweetener, but again, it causes a dump of insulin, just like the real thing, which just adds to insulin resistance.

        You can have some sugar, especially if and after you are more controlled in your metabolism.

        You might as well just use the real thing... Just in small amounts.

        Using any of these sweeteners in the short term, would still be better than continued sugar use, while you are trying to quit though.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fasting will increase your insulin sensitivity very fast

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever eaten a diet with no sugar and no oil?

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    fast

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      would fasting for a day reset your levels?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plan to fast for maybe breakfast every day... Which might help you more than you think, because breakfast foods are most often grains, sugar, and starch... Which is all sugar!

        Breakfast is one of the worst meals you can eat, as a diabetic.

        If you must eat, eat a boiled egg, maybe some mixed nuts, or something meaty, like bacon, or beef jerky.

        Protein burns longer and more steadily than carbs, and doesn't cause a huge spike in blood sugar levels.

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Restricting calories isn't the thing for insulin, it's restricting carbs. As t1d I can tell you that exercising before or right after a meal has a big effect on insulin sensitivity. E.g. a quick walk.
    Exercising in a fasted state in the morning has an effect for the whole day.
    Some foods like cinnamon (ceylon type) are also worthwhile, as they reduce blood sugar spike

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    you are all insulin resistant because you all eat sugar until you're overweight. Results: you're prediabetic

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    only drink water
    chances are if you've "tried" a million things you've never really stuck to 1 of them

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