>essential nutrient
>needed for over 3000 chemical processes in the body
>exclusive fuel for the brain and the heart
>100% of major athletes eat high carb-low fat
>demonized exclusively by fat Westerners
How did most of IST get psyopped into believing this superfood was their biggest enemy?
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because it causes metabolic disorders in excess
fuctose, not carbs proper. fructose like alcohol or short chain fatty acids is its own thing.
Angry ketolards larping incoming in 3.2...
>Angry ketolards larping
Shut the frick up moxyte, salt is fine.
The tumor in your brain is making you forget the ketolard thread where you denounced water, salt, sugar, and fiber. Ketoschizo.
I denounce sugar and plain water, yes.
Fiber? Salt? Water? When I cycle keto I eat a plate full of veggies at every single meal. More veggies per day than some “vegans” who stuff their face with Oreos all day.
Is moxyte in the room with us now?
Even if only half of these posts are ketoschizo this is some next level rent free obsession
Holy shit is that just the current posts including archive?! Someone really needs psych ward season pass
Calling everyone a Moxyte is also ketoschizo's recent arc. He's been around since ~2017 and will attack any thread about vegetables or rice, or whatever that isn't meat. His Terry A. Davis tier holy war against vegetables is been going on far longer than he's known about Moxyte. The funny thing is, he found Moxyte and made his subreddit popular because he thought Moxyte made the original ketolards.png, whereas it was posted well before Moxyte posted it in his subreddit (I know this because I made it)
This just shows how deranged he is. Any opposition and he'll reverse image search your pictures in attempt to find you and dox you. He's mentally deranged like most ketolards are.
Cool story bro.
Dare I ask?
Sauce?
Look up ketoschizo.png
Also: https://www.reddit.com/r/ketoduped/comments/mexpds/that_30_year_old_keto_lard/
If you check yandex it was posted well before Moxyte posted it to his subreddit
>sugar
>ketolard
>ketoschizo
>ketogays
>ketosisters
>diabetes is caused by fat
Oh it's a Moxyte the ketoschizo thread. Makes sense now.
Salt is perfectly healthy when ingested with a balanced electrolyte profile
>Dont eat protein
You die
>Don't eat fat
You die
>Don't eat carbs
Nothing bad happens, metabolic health improves and my body makes its own glucose via gluconeogenesis
>Nothing bad happens
so the kidney failure, liver failure, heart disease, brain damage, cancer, and death isn't bad?
neat.
Yeah an improperly managed keto diet MAY cause those things. But a high carb diet definitely causes them.
>source.jpg
Yeah, it’s well known you’re not supposed to feed infants a keto diet, moron. We’re talking about adults, but yeah it’s not really a surprise you’re into pediatric science.
How about you link actual, related studies ?
>Be a baby
>literally just drink breast milk
>always in ketosis
Imagine thinking ketosis is bad for babies and instead thinking you should be feeding them carbohydrate mush i.e baby food. Good goy.
Breast milk has 7 grams of sugar per 100 g. A higher amount than cows milk. Ketosisters, humans and cows poison their offspring! We must isolate the babies and calfs before they become diabetic!
fellow ketosister i have found the solution
>we must feed the babies boiled butter
the saturated fat will be highly noorishing to their bodies. I also recommend to mix in three egg yolk for extra cholesterol.
MOXYTE!!!
>Not putting a newborn child on intermittent fasting
NGMI
Babies are not in ketosis. That's one of those keto lies spread around. It's all about spamming so many different lies and talking points that focusing on core keto lies becomes hard for people not used to dealing with you scammers.
Why do you lie?
>During the first 8 h after birth, newborn infants have been shown to have rather low plasma ketone body concentrations despite adequate levels of precursor free fatty acids (FFAs), reflecting limited capacity for hepatic ketogenesis.30 Thereafter, from 12 h of age, healthy term infants show high ketone body turnover rates (12e 22 mmol kg/min) approaching those found in adults after several days of fasting,14 and during days 2 and 3 after birth they exhibit high ketone body concentrations quantitatively similar to those observed after an overnight fast in older children (Fig. 2).15 Such ketone body concentrations may account for as much as 25% of the neonate’s basal energy requirements during this time. Thus vigorous ketogenesis appears to be an integral part of extrauterine metabolic adaptation in the term human neonate.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15916931/
Moxyte is not known to be very smart or truthful.
but he is unfortunately really persistend
I don't. You're intentionally mistaking immediate post-birth conditions to rest of baby time that's about one year. Ketogays always lie.
Ketolards will do, say, and lie about ANYTHING to make you join their hairloss cult. Friendly reminder that atkins was a fat moron.
Yeah it's worse than mental illness, it's soul sickness
>Babies are not in ketosis.
I was replying to this which is wrong. Babies are often in and very prone to ketosis. Now you move the goal posts because you are mentally ill
And I was replying to
>always in ketosis
>always
Yet you have the gall to call me moving goalposts lol..
All humans and most mammals are in some degree of ketosis when they sleep. I'm sure we both know we were both talking about prolonged nutritional ketosis which you keto lunatics praise. Stop squirming and admit you lied about this too.
Except babies really don't want to be in keto waking up every few hours to cry for tittie btw
Protein is more than sufficient to prevent the negative effects of prolonged nutritional ketosis. Which makes sense because we are obviously adapted to be able to survive long-term in a low-carbohydrate environment. Aside from seasonal fruits and honey, there are very little carbs naturally available in the wild. Just don't be a moron and push constant deep nutritional ketosis for its own sake.
I'm not pushing that insanity. Aim your gun at those who do.
>it’s not really a surprise you’re into pediatric science
Btfod
>sample size: 1
>1 israelite who martyred himself or a patient with a high fat diet and called it keto because no carbs
Must be true?
Prolonged ketosis does this. The body is meant to be knocked out of ketosis periodically by the insulinogenic effect of protein. This only happens to ketogays who restrict protein and eat smaller meals because they think pushing for deeper levels of ketosis is better.
>it wasn't real communism
>Don't eat fat
>You die
>Don't eat carbs
>Nothing bad happens, metabolic health improves
>[citation needed]
don't even bother responding to me.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022316623130215
LMAO you fricking moron you linked a study about low-fat diet
It's almost as if moderation is the key
chimpanzees dont moderate their sugar intake and have zero diabetes.
Diabetes is caused by eating excess fat.
False equivalence fallacy.
Humans are not chimps.
>Humans are not chimps.
correct!
chimps are more adapted to meat eating than we are.
You don't even understand the graphic you posted. You see that little thing sticking off of the chimpanzee large intestine? That is a caecum. The purpose of the caecum is to house bacteria that ferment plant fibers. The bacteria consume all the green stuff that the chimp eats, and the chimp recieves saturated fat and protein.
Note that the human in the diagram does not have a caecum. Ours shrank over the course of about 7 million years due to a carnivorous lifestyle, which is also responsible for our large brains. We now refer to it as an appendix.
>adapted to meat
All species are adapted to consuming meat, including ones that are considered herbivores like ruminants (e.g. deer often eat squirrels when given the opportunity). An adaptation is required to deal with plant material.
Humans have many multiple adaptations that make them meat eaters you troglodyte. The frutarian/chimpanzee diet is wholly unsuited for humans.
>Humans have many multiple adaptations that make them meat eaters you troglodyte
such as?
Humans are omnivores and see in full colourscale.
Your info graph is vegan propaganda.
That was just the 1st bar of the info graph.
Are npcs really so useless now, they can't even make effective propaganda?
Hababaha I see a bright future Anons.
>be frugivorous ape
>ooga booga im smart
>eat lots of meat
>get cancer and heart disease
>die
The massively homosexual story of most of mankind
Chimps don't consume soft drinks, sweets, doughnuts, cake and the 10 000 other sources of sugar humans are inundated by
And chimps eat REAL NATURAL food, not bioengineered abominations filled with hormones, pesticides and God knows what
> And chimps eat REAL NATURAL food, not bioengineered abominations filled with hormones, pesticides and God knows what
> le natural food is better
Peak moron
>soft drinks
HFCS
>sweets
fat
>doughnuts
fat
>cake
fat
They instead eat FRUIT, which is pure sugar and fiber 🙂
Are you being moronic on purpose? I can't tell. This has to be bait.
Welcome to dealing with the mentally ill
It‘s fascinating honestly
they got fat on chips (high fat, high carb)
so they either pick keto or low fat to cope with that fact
>keto
advantages
>lose water weight
>muh ancestors
cons
>everything
great trade
Don't you love it when all internet "nutrition discourse" is basically being 100% against something or all for it with zero consideration for individual biological differences, cultures, traditions, and real ancestral knowledge?
> and real ancestral knowledge?
Wtf is this at the end. Shut the frick up moron.
He thinks he's liver kang
autism
Those all are second line of defense for ketogays. First they lie exact opposite to truth pretending they have some new research to back up what they are saying which they dont, then when called out they go on hysterical overdrive screeching random shit about "biological differences, cultures, traditions, and real ancestral knowledge" as distractions from their core claims being revealed to be lies. Like octopus sprouting ink. Ignore all that and press them to admit they lie.
This is what plain water does to a (formerly) male brain.
I feel like evidence is constantly provided, but it doesn’t really matter when you’re talking to people with a mental illness. Like I’m about to post a handful of studies and I guarantee your response will either be:
>heh, let me guess… you trust the ~~*experts*~~
Or even worse
>heh let me tell you why I’m qualified enough to tell you these studies are bonk and no, I won’t elaborate.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19641727/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6371871/#:~:text=Ketogenic%20diets%20can%20help%20patients,10%20kg%20with%20any%20diet.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7641470/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2690585/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-140-10-200405180-00007
Food has become political, no one wants to have a civilized debate if it might pop their bubble.
Personally I think ketodiets are a bit restrictive and it's easier to just be in a caloric deficit than to reach ketosis (at least for me)
I love high protein diets and I always feel better after eating a few eggs
I agree but really fat people have a hard time controlling calories.
For me, I use keto as a short term means of cutting because I noticed I lose less muscle than if I were to go on a strict caloric deficit.
It’s not manageable for me because my wife likes to go out and being me to at a restaurant is seriously annoying as frick. At least most places offer vegan alternatives. Sometimes you can’t just get steak and veggies because it’s not on the menu.
Or the simple idea that Dosis makes a poison
Black person
Has anyone tried glycerol? I have heard it gives great pumps and energy prior workout.
Ribose is something I've heard good things about.
>toxic over 4-5g in the blood
>body makes all it needs according to specific activity
i think you'll find no one who knows even a little basic biochem says that it's non-necessary, because it is (glucose), and point me to anyone saying that and i'll call him/her a moron homosexual.
that said the dietary requirement for humans is still 0.
>toxic over 4-5g in the blood
brother i drank a gallon of water and I nearly died
water is the devil
Excess carbohydrates induce inflammation in my body
Once again the ketolard speaks the opposite of the truth
Goes to show that people see what they want to see.
I said "excess" carbohydrates, above the norm dipshit.
Whatever works for your body man.
>Low fat diets produce reduce levels of testosterone
>"excess" carbohydrates
and no proof
What proof do you need, my medical history, macros, meal plan?
I guess the statement "I feel stiff and fatigued after binging on carbs" won't do for you
"Postprandial testosterone concentrations have been shown to significantly decrease after a fat-rich meal,"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11699056/
You seriously want me to take these studies seriously when the test subjects were in a high caloric deficit, ate pretty much no protein and God nows what kind of fat they consumed
>1,300 kcal, 11% carbohydrate, 3% protein, 86% fat)
>A study from 2001
Find something from this decade
Do you have any counter evidence or are you just going to screech hysterically? Lowest fat gay kys
Your article is evidence enough for it to be bullshit and I have already said why your article is bogus
>Lower caloric intake leads to lower production of hormones
but here is your "science" paper
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8538516/
>Evidence is consistent in demonstrating that low energy intake negatively impacts testosterone concentrations that may affect human performance. In addition, certain vitamins and minerals have important roles in testosterone synthesis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4271636/
>Total testosterone increased significantly in the VLCKD diet (118 ng/dl) as compared to the western (-36 ng/dl) while insulin increased significantly in the western group (3.7 uIu/ml) compared to the VLCKD (.1 uIu/ml).
The thing is diet need to be balanced and everyones body is specific. Look at things with an open mind and listen to your body
i love salt so much i demand my boss pay my salary in salt and tell me im worth my weight in salt when he pays me. he gladly does so cuz salt is near worthless like this post youve wasted your time reading anon
hehe
Guys, so how much sugar should I eat, then? I do not consume any sugar, maybe some from bread
postaan eeppiseen
because they wanted to sell subsidized corn and soi oil to the world so they could then sell prescriptions to deal with the side effects from that diet and then sell more prescriptions and surgeries to deal with all of that in a forever perpetuating loop until you die.
>essential
You lied at the first word, impressive.
The whole point is that it's not essential. You don't NEED it. So people experiment how it feels without it.
>body converts fat and protein to sugar because it's so essential
>see? UsElESS
is your brain also non-essential since you don't need to eat brains either?
So you confirm that we don't need to eat sugar. Thanks for agreeing with me. Enjoy prison.
Slider stop sliding
I hope you are just a israelite and not a brain rotted israelitealike
It literally isn't an essential nutrient though (because our body can synthesize it itself). The definition of essential nutrients means that our body cant synthesize it, and that we need to consume it in our diet to survive. Sugar (or carbs in general) simply aren't an essential nutrient. This has nothing to do with whether you like keto diets or not. It's a simple biochemical fact. Carbs are not an essential nutrient.
nutrient
If you wanted to make a point, you probably shouldn't have started with a straight up lie.
Hey guys, OP here, sugar is so good for you that I need to constantly come up with lies to convince you guys. You guys don't agree with me? OMG FRICKING moron LOW BRAINS!!! Must be the lack of sugar that is causing your brain to fail! 😀 LOL! :DD
>you're sure to find an abundance of concentrated, refined sugar in nature 24/7 365 days of the year
wild fruit is generally more fibrous and less sugary
You have to actually use the sugar and not just sit on your ass.
your body uses sugar whether or not you eat any. high intensity physical activity can use fat if you are fat adapted
All I need to know what is healthy, is to know what diet is antisemitic. That's keto, right?
Every single biggest name in keto scene is a israelite. Atkins, Taubes, Teicholz. The whole scam wouldn't exist in its current form without those three.
>scam
Dude it’s just a diet with restrictions. I did it for a few months and felt alright on it. Not amazingly different but my diet wasn’t too much better or worse before and during so a 400 pound fatty who can no longer eat McDonalds every day would definitely get a lot out of it compared to me. I remember logging about 3 grams of sugar a day on average and never felt lightheaded or anything. Butter and bacon gets tiring after a while though. Atkins made it tolerable for me that’s even more expensive than just regular non ultra-processed options. If you’re a thin person I wouldn't recommend it but it’s not a terrible option compared to veganism. Paleo is probably better though.
None of the core claims made about keto are true. It's a scam. It's so untrue it is essentially a anti-science movement as the people pushing it can't back up their claims about it so they have to spend all their effort at fabricating excuses to dismiss all research.
Anti vaccination is called an anti science movement aswell.
Interesting.