Ever since I started fighting Muay Thai I have zero desire to get hyuge anymore, I just wanna get crazy lean and be able to frick people up. How do muay thai physiques hold up?
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Ever since I started fighting Muay Thai I have zero desire to get hyuge anymore, I just wanna get crazy lean and be able to fuck people up.
They’re what most young girls are after. Lean and muscular is great, especially if you can fight. Just get big enough that you can frick up the fat tall dudes too and you’re sweet
Nooo you have to get fat and then cut the fat and then get fat again. Somehow, this makes absolute sense.
>What is building muscle
fatso cope
since i started doing MMA i dont care about lifting heavy weights anymore, not like before anyway i just do it once a week full body. Focusing more in conditioning workouts that leave me without breath, trying to fight fatigue. best feeling than being sore.
My S&C coach still has me hitting compounds along with calisthenics and explosive stuff, idk how big it'll get me but I'm enjoying it a lot more.
This is the evolution every man goes through, realising that being huge (especially as a natty) is not ideal and being lean, able to fight and muscular is the best option
t. BJJ purple belt who will fight MMA one day
that's gay. being big and strong is hugely useful. go see what the top bjj and mma guys look like.
>(ESPECIALLY AS A NATTY)
Are you moronic? Gear changes this conversation, of course
What difference does it make? You're still better off being big and strong
the top MMA guy is a manlet fighting in Asia and a big belly lanklet black man. the frick you smoking? About BJJ, if you talk about Gordon Ryan, Black person he does good on the mat but i saw videos of him sparring and he gas out really fast.
Pusi kurac
>larping as a Serb with some broken ass google-translate Serbian
lol. Lmao even
Pa ne trebam google da kazem jebem matrinu picku bre
shut up homosexual.
t. mma fighter not some bjj prissy buttscooter who LARPs being an mma fighter by wearing ufc spats
>spends years training a combat sport enough to get a purple belt.
>still hasnt done a cage match
I had my first mma bout after 2 months from no experience you fricking pussy
>t. BJJ purple belt who will fight MMA one day
Enjoy the gnp homosexual.
Lifting would make you hit hard tho.
there is no punching power behind heavy lifting. There is a reason why the stupid fight bettween Eddie Hall and Thor went to unanimous decision
>There is only one way to lift
>What is lifting explosively
Lmaoing at this pillowfisted bum.
Wrong movement
Wrong form
Wrong speed
Equals
Zero transfer
Being heavier makes you punch harder
Training punching makes you punch harder
What next? Think you're gonna throw a baseball at 90mph because you can OHP 2pl8?
So true that’s why no figures ever lift
>There is only one way to lift
>What is lifting explosively
Being big
>real social benefits, looking aesthetic, mires
Being le fighter
>DUDE I CAN FRICK PEOPLE UP...I MEAN I NEVER WILL BUT I THINK I'M COOL EVEN THOUGH I LOOK LIKE A DYEL TWINK
Functional sports are dyel copes. You will never fight or employ your "functional strength" in any practical way, you will get injured and braindamaged in practice like a moron you are.
If you want to frick people up, join the army, people you will be fricking up are gonna be mostly brown children bit it's better than nothing, right?
Cope, men should be able to fight you fricking soi boi
How many people did you fight?
I mean for real not in a gay sports competition for naked asian twinks?
Feel free to lie out the ass, this is what internet is for
Holy mother of cope, I swear this is the shit that leftist homosexuals say to justify their weakness lmao
I could kill you both if we were locked in a room together
>no response
Number of fights: 0
>I was...le bullied! It counts as fighting, right?
Wrong
Number of fights: 0
You have no idea Sweet summer child
>still no response
Number of fights: 1 (you just lost to me)
Wow.. your sounds like an experienced fighter… teach me sensei in your masterful art of trolling.
homosexual
That was a pretty unimaginative answer… maybe your not as wisely as I thought…
homosexual
I did. fight a lot as I was a small teenager.
I got picked on by groups of Arabs and had to fight.
It changed as I started lifting weights got bigger and trained kickboxing.
You become way more confident which helps not to get picked by bullys.
Arabs truly are the Black folk of Europe. Same mentality of only fighting when there's like 3 or more of them
At no time in human history or prehistory was there a single war found with hands and feet. Fighting was never employed to subdue hunting prey nor to fight off predators. Fighting without tools is a deeply unnatural activity for our species, our bodies are soft without external shells and our musculature is weak and meant to sustain our bodies in upright position, not to exert energy. Our hands are designed for fine manipulation for fistfighting, if you ever threw a bare knuckle punch you know how that shit fricks up your wrist and fingers. Fighting was historically reserved for symbolic and ritual purposes, like sports competitions or gladiator entertainment enacted by slaves. It's a subhuman activity for the weak.
>Fighting was never employed to subdue hunting prey nor to fight off predators
Do you truly believe martial arts has 0 translation to subduing prey or fighting off animals? Follow-up question: have you ever actually done martial arts?
humans wrestle each other since we were haired apes you moron, our fists indeed arent made to punch but they grip really well when wrestling and there is a reason literally every society in human history developed some sort of wrestling
>if you ever threw a bare knuckle punch you know how that shit fricks up your wrist and fingers.
Lmao griplet.
>At no time in human history or prehistory was there a single war found with hands and feet. Fighting was never employed to subdue hunting prey nor to fight off predators. Fighting without tools is a deeply unnatural activity for our species, our bodies are soft without external shells and our musculature is weak and meant to sustain our bodies in upright position, not to exert energy
Black person what, both Europe and Asia had martial arts orders that went back to the bronze age
You're right for the most part but martial arts translate well into combat because you're essentially training to use your own body as a physical weapon. If you lose your weapon in combat you'll have a better chance to recover and remove yourself from direct harm if you can wrestle an opponent out of the way to make an opportunity for you to run.
However, everyone else is coping by not accepting the truth that humans are tool builders and we've been bashing in animals skulls with rocks and stabbing things to death just as long as we've thrown punches and performed the earliest "judo" throws. Train to use a club, knife, gun and throw a medicine ball with great force (i.e. imitating bashing a heavy object into an opps cranium) along side throwing a punch.
We're built to kill by any means necessary. Limiting yourself to your body only is gay and naive. Even world class fighters understand the power of numbers and the fact that an opponent with a knife automatically has a black belt in murderjitsu and that all the training in the world will still leave you battered, bruised and potentially maimed or dead.
kek there is truth to this. I started training MT years ago as a complete social moron with 0 confidence and it really helped a lot for this.
But I'm still a fricking ghost outside, people just see me as a weak dyel even though I could Rekt most of them. They just don't respect me based on my aspect.
So I started lifting, which I've always considered 'superficial/useless/shallow' because I see the huge importance that people actually put on the image, and how much it affects our everyday life
tldr; confidence is cool but not enough if just internal
Oof hard pill to swallow
Only women and homosexuals care how others perceive them with a single glance
The reality is, go to any stadium muay thai/kickboxing fight and there will be countless women solely there to fangirl their favourite fighter
Go to any body-building contest and... well... there will only be gays and other bodybuilders there to cheer the freak shows on
Being big
>being unhealthy and dying of heart attack, having massive ego because of size
Being fighter
>healthy and fit, will remain healthy and fit into old age, humble from fighting experience
>repeated blows to the bones, organs, and head
>healthy
???????????????
Still better than destroying your back and shoulders with pointless heavy lifting
No, it's not better.
ok don't lift heavy then??? easy to get big without hurting yourself lmao ppl do it all the time
It's not better in any way. Any sane person understands that repeated blows to your body and head are bad for you. Every blow to your head causes brain damage and this damage is accumulative. Martial arts are fine if you only do light sparring with people who have control over their autism and strength. The rest of the workouts feel very rewarding and are great for building endurance and strength, but fighting is moronic.
Look at Samart Payakaroon. He is 60 years old, fit and handsome. He looks 40.
Look at Buakaw or Masato, in their 40s and still at peak of fitness.
Now look at Big Lenny. Lmao.
Bones are pretty strong. Also, why do you think the average fighter is getting repeated blows to the organs and head? Have you ever even been in an MMA gym before?
You're way too moronic for this discussion lad.
Nice non-answer. Your bones are pathetic if they get "unhealthy" from being hit sometimes. Obviously you shouldn't be getting your head hit repeatedly but the fact you think most people training MMA voluntarily get their head hit repeatedly every day means you have no idea what you're talking about.
>T.doesn't lift or fight.
I train muay thai and bjj, injuries are common, especially sprained ankles and wrists, foot injuries, finger injuries, etc. Not to mention the arthritis, muscle tightness, lack of finger flexibility and joint inflammation that the older guys get from repeated motions and trauma for actual decades.
If you want to become really good at fighting, you will get injured sooner or later and it will wear your body down.
Being a good fighter is not healthy long term.
All those people you know with injuries from BJJ and Muay Thai would be injured doing any other physical activity as a hobby (lifting, rock climbing, running) because they don't know how to pace themselves or properly recover. I guarantee you.
If you think more people get "worn down" from doing BJJ/Muay Thai compared to lifting (snap city), rock climbing (arthritis), running (destroyed knees), you are delusional.
Yeah this, injuries in any sport are mostly caused for being a moron.
homosexual
Being big doesn't make you cool either, so what is your point. Every time there's an argument on here, it always goes back to
>I can beat you up you twink
>I weigh 30lbs more than you
But you actually can't since you can't fight
Knowing how to fight is a valuable skill to have and you get social circles in your gym too, is not like you seclude yourself in a temple in the mountains with your sensei to learn how to fight.....but you aren't wrong about the rest
Why not both?
4chinners try not to fall for obvious bait challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
You can literally become a millionaire by fighting. Being big does nothing on that level. You sound like someone of small belief in himself who doesn't even allow himself to dream if you don't consider this a possibility for you. Types like you are the only ones who will never truly make it because you give up before you even try.
Once I snapped out of the bodybuilding phase I just care about looking like a warriors body
I don't do MMA but had a similar experience, at some point my preference just shifted to leaner smaller physiques, larger gym bodies started looking ''artificial'' so to speak, like they stopped looking normal once I realised the warriors I tried to look like realistically never looked that big, muscular yes, but not huge
>sidenote, I hate how movies/TV shows get ''debunked'' nowadays with ''fighters have no muscle so muscular actors are dumb'' because half those complaints I see are against actors with actual MMA/fighter physiques, it's like non lifters can't tell between that and bodybuilder huge and just see muscle
Mma fighters aren’t warriors. They’re circus clowns. Wanna be a real warrior? Join special forces
That's gay and moronic, fighting random people for the zog and dying lmao
cope, a soldier could frick you up irredeemably and you know it
Gay and moronic
Not without a gun, moron.
He would murder you armed and unarmed zogbot
>fighting in an air conditioned gym in a sport where there are rules and regulations to keep you safe DOESNT make you a warrior, going to war does.
>nuh uh zog bot
This is why y’all get mocked relentlessly. I guarantee 90% of fight gays were bullied as kids. The other 10% were molested
homosexual
Yeah your “warriors” are literal moron bots that shoot at the air and call air support grow the frick up you god damn moron
>join the army and fight for the israelitewwws
Your brain on americano
nice try recruiter
Zogbot spotted
>getting lanced by bugs and goat herders
when will this military shit die? if you join, you're obviously a moron.
>mad he couldn’t pass buds
Still better than literal fricking circus clowns who sperg out in a cage
I think that's great, OP. You should go after whichever body you desire.
>warriors body
I love that weirdo and hope he returns even better, but that's not a warrior's body. He's too healthy and fit. Those poor bastards starving in a Ukrainian trench without sleep are what warriors actually look like.
>Ukrainian trench
you mean graves?
Lol the orcranian mercenaries in their grave trenches are not warriors. Jiri is an apex predator human
if at even just one single point in your life you looked at some hypertrophied, gigaroided homosexual and thought to yourself that he looks good you are literally homosexual and there is nothing that can disprove this
I think Muay Thai physiques actually look pretty good. But don’t kid yourself. The vast majority of the guys you are picturing are on gear- legal in Thailand- and do an absolute shit ton of training in unconditioned Thai gyms. Going to a class once or twice a week is about as likely to make you look like pic related as swimming occasionally will make you look like Michael phelps
Yea but the vast majority of guys he are picturing are gwailos in american gyms
OP shows up to class, 3-5x a week, str-train 2-3x week and doesnt eat cake and drink beer (or at least restricts 1-2x a week), in 4 months he will look great. unless gwailo genetics, but that's what you all deserve so oh well
Same. Now that I do MMA I don't care about looking big, I just want to be stronger.
I think bodybuilders look a bit silly now.
being heavier in a fight is always better, as such, as a non competitive fighter IRL you should be bloatmaxed to compete (IRL)
if such thing happens
so in short, you are a moronic twink
>heh I'm sure to win because my muay thai skills are superi-ACK
Oh no a tiny knife
>*kicks you in the balls*
>*axe kicks you in the back of the head while you crunch down in pain*
you forgot
>*teleports behind u*
Get out with your fricking homosexual karate shit fricking axe kicks? Try that shot in Thailand see how quickly you get deported b***h
>*Knife's edge chops you*
>*Tombstone piledrives u*
Psssshhhhh, nothing personnel, kiddo
>literally just teeps you
*uses my superior perception and agility to find and precisely strike your femoral artery*
What's the matter anon-kun, dead leg?
*Kicks it out of your hand*
Reminds me i was walking with guy from the job who does Muay Thai and 3 guys came up to us, two of them had a knife and the dude kick the knife out of one the guys hand so fricking fast it was amazing. Then he screamed RUN and before i started running he was one fricking mile ahead of me. He taught me some fights are not worth it and made me realize 99% of men dont know that.
that dude is the protagonist
This would never happen to me because I always make sure to ensure atleast a 10m distance between me and any homeless people or blacks
Stabbing? heh... more like defacating!
*pulls down pants*
*loudly defecates, splattering passersby with rancid, watery shit*
heh... I'll see myself out...
*pulls up pants*
*duck-walks towards you*
heh... here... have a nip of ol' HOOCH!
*shoves hand down the back of pants*
*slings a watery fistful of liquid shit in your eyes and mouth*
heh... howdya like them apples?
>implying there is a defense against this
>I started fighting Muay Thai
Did you beat muay thai?
A dude with huge muscles can learn how to fight, but a fighter can't learn how to lift heavy without decades of recomping his phisique
that's not true at all... especially the recomp part. like not at all wtf. bulgarian olympians don't even really look at that big and regularly throw over 100kg above their head...
proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MyzcdMNwLQ&t=1s
It takes about 1–2 years to "lift heavy," which will get you about a blue belt in BJJ.
1-2 years to get IST is the biggest meme in this board
How long it takes to become fit is entirely a matter of your upbringing and current life circumstances.
Belts in bjj are such a fricking meme.
Coaches intentionally don't let students get higher belts to keep their livelihoods because the faster someone gets to black belt the more likely they are to open their own gym so they make someone train for iver a decade for something they could earn in less than 5.
Also a black belt that never competes os inferior to a blue belt that competes all the time.
People think that because it takes so hecking long it means anything but all it means is that you really know nothing about what you practice and settle for only what you are told and because you know nothing coaches can squeeze your money for longer.
>Coaches intentionally don't let students get higher belts to keep their livelihoods
Yes because if you promote your students too quickly you are running a McDojo and are ruining the sport. In a martial art like BJJ where there's a lot of live training, you can expose fake blue belts very quickly.
So you are correct but your reasoning is completely moronic. If you think I'm wrong, make your own gym and promote everyone to blue belt in 6 months and see how it goes for you.
>T.deluded bjjgay that pays overpriced monthly fees, overpriced gay bjj clothes and his coach overpriced instructionals
>Only to get brutalized as soon as he tries anything other than bjj.
I actually practice boxing more than BJJ currently. Anyway, my guess is you did BJJ for a few months, begged for a promotion, didn't get one, quit, and now hate BJJ and every BJJ coach because you are emotionally unstable and probably raised by a single mom.
Ah yes the classic bjjgay projection cope.
Funny how when every single deficiency of the style is met with the appropriate criticism their cultist jump to project, even when they aren't even part of it anymore.
>"i train BJJ"
>"you quit BJJ and hate it" is projection
I think you don't know what projection is.
>"you quit BJJ and hate it" is projection
>Anyway, my guess is you did BJJ for a few months, begged for a promotion, didn't get one, quit, and now hate BJJ and every BJJ coach because you are emotionally unstable and probably raised by a single mom.
Why is bjj so filled with mentally ill gays that can't even make an argument.
>Oh you must have took bjj and got tapped and that's why you hate it
>There is absolutely nothing wrong with it you are the one projecting
Hilariously pathetic.
>>Oh you must have took bjj and got tapped and that's why you hate it
That's not at all what I said. You should re-read my post.
>Why is bjj so filled with mentally ill gays that can't even make an argument.
Here is the Wikipedia for "projection."
>Psychological projection is a defence mechanism of alterity concerning "inside" content mistaken to be coming from the "outside" Other.
It makes no sense for me to be currently practicing BJJ and accusing you of having quit it because you hate it as a form of "projection." Don't bother responding until you understand this obvious point.
How does one look up a definition and still don't see you are doing that.
Your defence mechanism against my critique of bjj belt system is assuming that i got denied a promotion and hate it as a result.
If you are not that same anon you still assume that i quit bjj as a defense mechanism to any critique.
Spoiler alert, i never even took jiujitsu outside what is thought in mma.
Jesus im talking to a literal subhuman.
>Get as big, strong and aesthetic as you can (as a natty) in the gym on a 3 day split.
>Do some basic b***h boxing work (or some other martial art, I don't give a shit) like twice a week for an hour for all of your cardio. Never do anything beyond light sparring.
>Carry a pocketknife (assuming you can't carry a gun).
This combination is going to give you the best blend of social gains, strength gains, cardiovascular gains, confidence gains, aesthetics, fighting ability, appeal to the opposite sex etc without the downsides of brain damage, health issues, looking like a DYEL, wasting all your time exercising etc. Please no (you)s, this is the answer right here.
pretty much this. I moved out innawoods and don't have grappling options anymore so I do rowing/climbing for my cardio now.
>an hour
>twice a week
>all your cardio
Pick one
>No no no you don't understand....I must ROOOOON for more than two hours per week.
Ok David Goggins. In actuality there's zero benefit to doing more than two hours of cardio a week.
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(16)00068-9/fulltext
Did you miss the part where he said three day split? That along with the sparring is plenty of cardio
fighting is way higher intensity than some light jogging
>Never do anything beyond light sparring.
Opinion discarded.
Being able to fight is like lifting heavy, you need to actually lift heavy.
Sure you don't need to spar hard every day but if you never do it you don't actually have to skill required for fighting and fighting is very high intensity so you need to do it with intensity to know you actually can do it under a high stress high intensity situation.
>Just sparr light bro you don't want brain damage
You have nothing to worry about since there is nothing to damage, might aswell tell people to do wing chun.
Who gives a shit? See
. It's mostly about getting some cardio in and being able to mog the average punk teen or fat moron in a bar. I don't care about extreme meme edge cases where you're going 1 on 1 barefisted with some trained warrior in a dark alley because life isn't a movie. It's a probability thing.
Bongland
>Who gives a shit?
Not me, stopped reading there.
Black person you're just getting hit in the head a few times a week, you're not some le obbenheimer tier problem solver just because you touch sweaty men in a ring lmao
>Inferior being that doesn't fight or even know how to read talking
All i said is that you need to do hard sparring sometimes to be able to fight but somehow this is too much for you to comprehend and had an autistic meltdown.
You're a low IQ wagecuck living in a shithole though.
Says the subhuman that can't read.
Hard sparring is moronic if you don't compete.
>high stress high intensity situation
Kek you haven't been in an actual fight, you jobber.
>Hard sparring is moronic if you don't compete
>You haven't been in a fight
Look out everyone, grandmaster is right here.
>Carry a pocketknife
What kind of shithole do you live in
>anon asking about how to maintain a lean physique for combat sports
>always the same guy comes to say WELL YOU KNOW FIGHTING IS WORTHLESS? YOU SHOULD GET BIG, GETTING BIG IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL.
everytime
Or the gungay gungayging aroung or that dyel obsessed with roiders that doesn't lift or fight saying that roiders don't have functional strength and would lose to anyone with training.
>Not wanting to be big and know how to fight
Manlet detected.
i dont know why people get mad when someone says they dont want to be big but want to be fit. Even if for some god forsaken reason you end up in a street fight and you are a huge bodybuilder, will be embarrasing if a lanklet skinny karate guy knocks you the frick out and i saw shit like that happen live.
If you're not competing and therefore don't have to stick to a weight class, what's wrong with packing on muscle and training MMA simultaneously? Or, at the very least, maintaining the muscle mass you do have (maybe switch to a 2 day a week lifting regimen) while focusing on improving your skill? Detraining your muscles when you don't need to cut to fit into a weight class seems moronic, unless you're a veritable behemoth you just need to train cardio not willingly become dyel. So what if it shaves 10% off your gas tank, the strength and weight alone make up for it which is why you have weight classes.
Dyels that don't lift or fight love to repeat the same bullshit they hear on tiktok and say that muscles make you slow when that only happens if you only ever move slow and just showing up to training will make you faster or as of you can't lift explosively and do plyometrics if you have any decent muscle mass as if there aren't tons of bulky guys fighting at the bigger weightclasses.
Or for the cardio you literally just need to do interval sprints during jogging but the morons don't lift or train martial arts, they just want an echo chamber for their shit opinions.
Based. Keep it natural. Roid trannies will never be real men.
I want to begin my martial arts journey with Muay Thai. What are some things I should look out for when selecting a a gym to train at?
If they dont have people actively competing, it's not a real gym
I want to back boxing after 5 years not doing it. Was never fantastic as the coaching we had in college (where I did it) was subpar and we didn't do enough sparring. How hard is it to get actually good if you go back at a relatively late age? - I'm 29 now. I feel like I never picked up the fundamentals and while I'm pretty strong, my coordination has always been a weak point. Basically the situation of someone with good pure strength and bodyweight strength but from an unathletic base
>How hard is it to get actually good if you go back at a relatively late age?
Good enough to beat untrained people, not hard at all, just show up.
Good enough for competition, kinda hard but you can still do it.
Read this post and the chain replies, people confuse form with fundamentals, these are the actual fundamentals and if you learn them and get good at them you will get fairly good even if you have seemingly crappy form, obviously if you have good form that's better but even if you have form that looks as good as that of a world champion without these fundamentals you can't fight.
Read them and look up as much as you can about them and practice them at your gym
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/63702292/#63702855
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I actually had a few fights at a lower level and did ok, won 2 (1 KO) and lost one on points. Always felt I was never fully "there" though and just sort of flailing a bit, focusing more on not getting knocked out than trying to put it to my opponent
>focusing more on not getting knocked out than trying to put it to my opponent
This is usually what separates good from great.
Aggression, athletism and skills are all required to be really good at fighting and if one fails then the fighter isn't that good.
Usually people get more defensive because they don't have much trust in their offence and that's usually because either athletism and/or skills are lacking.
From what you said it seems you are fairly athletic so improving your skills will let you develop more aggression.
Obviously this doesn't mean that you should just be an angry moron and swing at your opponent, you need all 3 but improving what you lack at lets you improve at the other aspects.
So I'd like to achieve this body type. What's my next route?
Calisthenics and cardio (lots of cardio) is perfect for this physique
Being a fightgay is a sign of either
>little man syndrome
>inferiority complex
>anger issues
>mental illness
99% of you won't get into an actual fight because you're social outcasts that are scared to even talk to a woman. And in the off-chance you actually get into a fight, you'll most likely either get sued or shanked like a fricking pig.
>OH YEAH BRO I COULD TOTALLY BEAT YOU UP UHHHH I'M SO MANLY I'M LE ANIMAL IN LE CAGE
kek
>casually records your anemic jab and sues you for easy money
thanks anon
Welcome to the truth brother. Once you've done some form of combat sport you realize bulky and no cardio is a death sentence.
What if bulky and cardio?
Don’t use logic against fight gays. They only think of extremes from their thrones of sweaty mats and safety regulations.
Do you think there are no bulky fighters with good cardio or something?
There isn't really. Any heavyweight mma fighter is completely gassed after the first round.
>"bulky" means "heavyweight"
>Stipe Miocic is not "bulky"
>nonsense about heavyweights being "completely gassed" after the first round even though that's not true about anyone in the Top 10
You two are morons.
The nog was literally sleeping in the ring after the fight.
The maymonkey needed to be carried back to his corner after every round he was so tired.
They may not have world champion level cardio, but their cardio is still 10x better than any gymrat lifter.
>top 10 doesnt gas
are you fricking moronic? have you watched heavyweight bouts?? Even the most athletic one, Cyril Gane, gas horrible.
>cyril gane
>the guy who got gassed 1 minute after kicking Jon Jones in the nuts and then got guillotined while slumped against the fence
>the most athletic heavyweight
no there is not, we haven seen Jon Jones heavyweights in 5 rounds tbh. I could say Stipe but he is not bulky for a heavyweight.
Bulky and cardio works, that's Olympic wrestling status. Tbh, I mostly shit on the homosexuals who make every excuse in the book to not do cardio. Weak willed beta pussies can't handle being out of breath.
That's fair, ideally you want both but a lot of people act like lifting and being strong is optional and even detrimental when is a necessity too.
I would try combat sports myself but I'm not good with being around people or dealing with social situation shit
I'm just happy to lift in solidarity in my home gym.
A kick to the calf or chin will floor anyone
M[anlet]A posters are some of the worst fricking people on here I swear
Yeah have fun wrestling with your fellow 130 lb guys who follow strict rules on what is vs isn’t allowed. Meanwhile the 200 lb guy who has been in multiple bar fights will snap you in half
>T.has never been in a fight nor is 200lbs.
Just buy a gun, big guy.
Zoomers love this mma cringe mullet shit because they're insecure from all the porn they watch. Real life fighting isn't in some ring with rules. I've never trained boxing but I hit someone in the face once and he almost died. Keep living in your little head fantasy "I could take him" while you look dyel
>I've never trained boxing
Yeah i can tell
And he also never trained boxing... what's your point?
Everyone in this thread is coping about something. Am powerlifter turned mma fighter since I was arround natty ceiling and am no roidtrenny, so fighting was the next evolution. On that topic I fricked up people at the beginning already by pure physique, instinct and whatever little I had learned as a kid in judo. Being a twink hiding in midgetdivisions doesn't make you a "warrior", it makes you a metagaming homosexual aiming for minors in a vulnerable decision. Being a sole strike- or grapplelet makes you just as much of a homosexual as you can't perform in no rules barred situations and makes you shit bricks when your opponent doesn't adhere to your sheduled dance. The truth is that you need EVERYTHING for MMA, NOTHING IS NOT IMPORTANT! strength, dexterity, fortitude, flexibility, constitution, intelligence/fightiq and even some luck. It all matters. Someone who says otherwise is coping in some way or other and has never actually fought. I see it every weekend sparr where boxers think they are the best - but refuse to fight in anything not under boxing ruleset. BJJ prissies deem themselfes the king of grappling but cry when they get slammed in guard "it's illegal!" as they spread their legs and demand you sit between them.
>inb4 you only did sportfights no le real streetfights
I worked as a bouncer and got charged and exonerated for aggravated assault while you D&D addicted homosexual search deep voice tutorials on youtube
>le gun
everyone should own guns and be proficient in them, I punch submoa groups @100m with a .308, 1 1/2inch groups@25m with a 9x19
exactly
bjj is a meme in and off itself, just badly kozen ryu judo
there is a viennan study that says punchpower and benchpress directly correlate with each other
agreed, but no need for hard sparring for any moron sub6 months that can't guard and is only there to sandbag for actual fighters. Many striking based gyms do this to cringe newjoins
Finally, a good post.
I really wish kosen judo was the mainstream grappling style.
Bjjhomosexuals overreliance on bottom guard is promoted as it's unique strength when is their biggest weakness and get destroyed by any wrestler because they actually good top control even with their lack of submissions and bjjgays think they have great guard retention when is just that bjj top control is garbage.
Kosen judo meanwhile is pretty well rounded groundwork having submissions from top and bottom without an overreliance on one thing hindering the rest.
Even a lot of things that bjjgays think are exclusive to bjj like de la riva, spider guards, butterflies, back takes, sweeps and even berimbolos can all be found in kosen judo from as early as the 20.
Not to mention that is actually structured and doesn't add new moves every day that are just useless and make the style become a slop of moves.
Bjj is destined to end as cucked as karate, great style once upon a time but hardly anything of value that many places do better is left.
Also bjj sissy grappling is too low intensity while wrestling and judo are pretty high intensity without hindering technique and as a result have an inherent strength advantage, kosen judo is the same on the ground, much more intense than bjj rolling.
>there is a viennan study that says punchpower and benchpress directly correlate with each other
Ok, where's the study comparing punch power with people who punch on a weekly basis to people who bench press on a weekly basis?
Some of the hardest punchers can barely do two plate bench
Imagine if they could bench
why do gays get so utterly defensive whenever someone says they don't want to be huge and that they prefer to focus on other areas of fitness isntead?
you're all insecure as frick lmfao
There doesn't have to be a dichotomy between lifting heavy and combat sports unless maybe you're aiming for the top of a sport.
If someone spends 30 minutes a day lifting heavy, they'll probably be top 10% of the population at it in a few years. Same with spending 30 minutes a day with fighting.
IRL doesn't have weight classes either, so it especially wouldn't matter IRL, unless your bulky muscles are really making you substantially worse at fighting.
why not both? i train muay thai 3 days a week and lift 3 days a week.
what's with the martial arts gays on this board talking about being humble while also saying they can kick the shit out of everybody they meet what's wrong with you gays do some curls
they just like some buddhists, its really like CONSTANTLY talking about being humble and enlightened, sucking your own dick too long and you want everybody else to too. Its hilarious bc martial arts SUPER CLIQUEY if you train hard at one gym, go to another and FRICK them up at the new spot, they all got a chip on the shoulder except for the real fighters who are humble. large amoutns of homosexualry in the hobby (like any)
A punch of from the average person is a slowmo unco Black person flail compared to what we have to deal with on a regular basis
We can