I perfectly understand this board is about exercise. And I DO lift myself, and not planning on stopping.
but recently I've heard/read some things about lifting that made me question the health benefits.
>exercise (lifting, cardio, etc.) greately stresses the body, stress is bad for health/longevity, therefore exercise is bad for health/longevity
>some studies suggest that doing >150min/week of lifting is actually detrimental to cardiovascular health (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziKSWaVZ2BA)
>the heart has to work more when you have more muscle/weight, therefore it deteriorates faster
>lower calorie intake was shown to increase longevity, and you have to EAT BIG GODDAMIT when you lift
>longest living people barely exercised (maybe manual labour/farming max, but never hardcore bodybuilding/cardio)
counter arguments:
>muscle mass and cardio are shown to be benefitial for longevity (in certain other studies)
>exercise, even if it stresses the body, reduces stress in the long run when you're resting
>longevity might just be genetics and diet in the end
not even talking about steroids here of course, just regular old lifting/bodybuilding/cardio.
again, I'm not against lifting and I do lift myself, I just want to find the truth in all this.
if your position is
>who cares about longevity, I'm killing myself at 30yo
please do not reply
Thought that was chop chop at first.
Sam sulek is built like that.
so don't overdo it
fricking moron
Meanwhile most steroid abusing golden Era BB made it to like 75+
How long do u wanna live op? Past 85 for most folks is a nightmare.
The LORD Christ in heaven will call thy home when he does.
it doesn't work like that, if you age at an accelerated rate, you'll be at the level of a 85 y.o. person at 75 and just experience the nightmare of old age faster
>frailness leads to fall
>fall shatters your hip and you never fully recover
>quality of life tanks and your health goes to shit in every possible way
>you suffer your first stroke and it's all downhill until you croak
Other than cancer, this is how normal people die (fatties are abhuman). If you wanna live a long gay life stay strong and don't break your fricking hip.
Squats & oats, bros. Squats & oats.
Sounds dumb as hell. If you're a natty with a job and family you don't have to worry about any of that stuff. Loneliness and poverty is deadlier than lifting or excessive cardio.
Lifting does not really help longevity. As you comment, there's reason to believe it might actually hurt longevity. Just think about how there must be some reason why the body is reluctant to buid muscle unless it has to.
On the other hand there's some meme research that says something about how
longevity genes are expressed more after lifting, or some horseshit like that.
Big Gym or Big Supplements sounds like a joke, and it sorta is, but it really is a massive, massive industry. Everyone paying hundreds of dollars a year for gym membership, equipment, supplements, classes and so on, it's a huge deal. So you can't believe them when they talk about its glorious benefits.
Personally I doubt lifting has a large effect on longevity for most people, compared to regular exercise and being skinny, if you go too hard at it it probably harms it. Complicating matters is it helps strengthen bones, and bone weakness can suck for people as they get older, though this is more a quality of life issue and it's really arguable, cause some people are relatively strong and old and have never lifted.
Other than a small window for hoping to have better bones as you grow older, lifting is NOT something to do in the belief it will help longevity and it might even harm it.
>le too much exercise is bad for you
fun fact, the cartilage in your knees exchanges fluids through weeping lubrication (requires compression)
Without regular compression (through things like running) the cartilage degrades even worse than it does from overuse
also there is an agenda to promote shitty lifestyles and data can be twisted in any way imaginable to draw ~~*conclusions*~~
>also there is an agenda to promote shitty lifestyles
Like GOMAD?
Hard lifting has been linked to heart problems since the 1800s, long before roids. Just saying.
cardio too. it strains the heart and you have certain number of heartbeats in your life before it stops.
>you have certain number of heartbeats in your life before it stops.
If this is true then it means cardio improves your lifespan because it leads to a lower resting heart rate
I think he's being facetious because no one could be this stupid organically.
yeah, I'm posting what Sv3rige unironically claims in his vids
What is with weak people and their obsession on clinging onto life for a few more years
who cares about longevity, I'm killing myself at 30yo
living people barely exercised (maybe manual labour/farming max, but never hardcore bodybuilding/cardio)
Where these the outliers? You have to look at the general population and not the outliers
Do you think your brain can trully comprehend 8 billion peoples lives and accurately decipher what made this billion live shorter this billion live longer etc.
Everyone on both sides of every issue pick a few outliers that support their opinion.
(lifting, cardio, etc.) greately stresses the body, stress is bad for health/longevity, therefore exercise is bad for health/longevity
moronic. Stress IS WHAT MAKES YOU STRONGER if applied in gradual progression.
Source: basic fricking science moron.
>some studies suggest that doing >150min/week of lifting is actually detrimental to cardiovascular health (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziKSWaVZ2BA)
moronic, it's beneficial.
>the heart has to work more when you have more muscle/weight, therefore it deteriorates faster
True, but guess what the alternative is? To be a useless fragile homosexual after 50 where any random fall (which is very likely since you never trained) will rape/end your life. Also for natties it's not that big of an effect.
>lower calorie intake was shown to increase longevity, and you have to EAT BIG GODDAMIT when you lift
True, but again, read above.
>longest living people barely exercised (maybe manual labour/farming max, but never hardcore bodybuilding/cardio)
Because it wasn't fricking DONE AT ALL in their day and the reason they lived this long is due to genetics. We WILL see people live much longer now.
>muscle mass and cardio are shown to be benefitial for longevity (in certain other studies)
It's not in LE CERTAIN OTHER STUDIES, it's an obvious fricking fact, that people new for fricking eons, before people knew what blood is.
>exercise, even if it stresses the body, reduces stress in the long run when you're resting
And what's more important is IT MAKES YOU FRICKING LESS LIKELY TO DIE OF FRICKING ANYTHING, MORE SO THAN LITERALLY ANYTHING FRICKING ELSE.
> >longevity might just be genetics and diet in the end
It's obviously not just that, even though genetics is huge.
Bottom line: anti-exercise research you cite is mostly moronic bullshit that pussies like you use to not anything hard.
Hello brainlet. You can synthesize all that data into the following
>Exercise and stay lean
See? Easy. Don't powerbloat, don't roid, and keep your BMI under 25
>no mire thread
>no bar open
What's happening to this board
>go to uni cafeteria with my gf
>get food, find a place to eat
>one my gfs female friends comes over
>asks if I am Anon
>yes
>"I definitely hoped that you were Anon."
>few days later be in cafeteria with gf again
>after lunch leave
>gf mentions her friend texted her how handsome I was
>she wanted my gf to absolutely introduce me to the other girls in the social group
>say, that it seems like she has some competition
>negates this and says that her friend liked girls more for a while
Stay lean guys
Post your mires. How was your weekend?
Any anons getting fricked by the switch away from daylight saving time?
~~*studies suggest*~~ that exercise is actually bad for you, and you should just sit at home watching tv and scrolling on your phone all day instead!!!
If you believe this shit op, you are fricking moronic.
Yeah, if you inject roids and do nothing but pump iron 8 hours a day that is not healthy.
Yeah, if you starve yourself and only run for 8 hours a day training for marathons all year round perhaps that is not healthy.
But there is literally no circumstance where you, the average joe, who will work out at most 1 hour per day, affects you, no shit, if you take athleticism to the absolute extreme and constantly push your body way beyond it's limits you MIGHT experience some negative effects, but really it all comes down to are you being a moron abusing substances and extreme dieting or are you just being a normal fricking human doing some exercise.
So no, doing some natty bench press and some bicep curls and going for a jog around the block is not going to make you "unhealthy", it is not going to "stress your body and accelerate the aging process", this is some reddit cope bullshit made up by ~~*studies*~~ so morons have a convenient excuse to be lazy morons and feel smug and justified in their decision to be lazy morons.
>And I DO lift myself
doesnt sound like it
You wont live on this cursed planet forever and why would you want to?
Which side do you want to spend your short lift on?
It’s even more simple than that. Keeping your body in equilibrium is key. As long as your body isn’t guessing or constantly changing its output it will run better. Think of it as a machine. If you do something plan on always doing it unless it’s something like alcohol.