Natty lifting is a joke, working out with perfect diet for 10+ years to look like someone on roids that got the same body in 6 months. Even a mild cycle is more than sufficient for looking like someone who's worked out for years.
Natty lifting is for people do it for general health and to 'have fun' - not people like us who are obesssed with ourselves.
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6 months roiding gains are basically water drawn into muscles. I've met several roiders smaller and much weaker than me. One was basically tiny and just cut and roided up for men's physique comps and won them, then month later would be dyel again.
That said I should've ran a cycle a long time ago I heard it enhances subsequent natty muscle building.
But the real problem is that no roiding will make you look like a genetic freak. I've seen two in my life, tall broad shouldered thick boned fricks with chiseled jaws. Regular people simply cannot compare, roids or no roids.
True.
The only ones who retain at least a resemblance to their roid body are the ones who lift even harded aftrr they end roiding.
It is not sustainable and will make you crooked and damaged by age of 40.
Yea, perspective of having fun 10+years is nice but it comes at a cost.
Chances are you would nwver achieve any net value using your roided body, so you basically would just delete solid chunk from your life just to lose the self-conscious feeling for a moment.
>so you basically would just delete solid chunk from your life just to lose the self-conscious feeling for a moment
What's the downside?
The downside is being in your 40's which are supposed to be full of family and a good career, but instead you're crippled and rely on pain meds to get up every day because your spine and internal organs are fried. And it only gets worse from there but only for another 20ish years or so.
>but I lifted 225 pounds over my head when I was 25!
Cool dude, do you want me to push your wheelchair out into the screen porch for a bit so you can get some fresh air before you have to go back in bed for another 22 hours?
Is there anything worse than a midwit?
a morally pure midwit is a problem for many people
>That said I should've ran a cycle a long time ago I heard it enhances subsequent natty muscle building.
you can get on a cycle, spam shoulder stuff to grow mega jooicy side delts, and hop off while still keeping those gains. Once you procc the androgen receptors they never get shut down
then why tf dont people put ham planets on roids? hear me out
>bigger muscles require more calories, so higher TDEE
>put calorie elemental on fricking test and tren, while lifting of course (if their joints arent LARDED)
>force the hamplanet to follow a cutting/normal diet and keep lifting
>???
>profit
sometimes they do
boogie is on testosterone
>do cheeky pair of cycles one year as a very young man
>go natty after that and lift like frick
>claim natty and back it up with blood work while seeming enhanced
how come this never happens though (for celebs, “celebs”, and ecelebs)? fake natties always get caught out some how.
It doesn't get caught. 6% of men worldwide roid.
>6%
WE GOTTA PUMP THOSE NUMBERS UP
Not possible
to be
defeated
5 day fast, eternal no fap, lifting, raw milk, kombucha, saurkraut, raw meat, roasted chicken, pizza bread, french fries crispy in the oven
Spit on all flags, nations, governments, states.
also, 56 bpm resting heart rate, normal blood pressure, and:
jews
/thread
80mcg of clen put my resting heart rate at 100+ lol
tried clen once
tried it again years later, this time i had a heart rate monitor on my watch
never touched it again
very bad
Im asthmatic and if I take 40mcg once daily I can breathe perfect and dont really use my enhalers, im trying to switch one of my inhalers to a laba oral like clen as I use the saba inhalers all my life and like them alot. But yes it was annoying. I take it all at once though so might be that but I do like it.
I remember that
I remember being able to breathe clearly for the first time in my life, it was exhilarating at the time, maybe 6 or 7 years ago now.
In March 2023, I realized that I had a deviated septum and started using a nasal dilator to breathe through my nose 24/7, it was a similar revelation, and my health improved dramatically since I started breathing like this
Damn I have the same. Are you shredded as frick with a big dick and big muscles? If you are we are literally the same.
So heres the thing, roid muscle is 100% fake, you dont keep any of it. The drugs chemically change the way your body holds fluid and sodium, puts you in positive nitrogen balance etc. It makes your existing muscle fibres bigger but you dont actually get any new fibres unless you use hgh. So youre on drugs that inflate your muscles, come off the drugs and you will go back to what you were before or worse. It can take years and if you train you will still look amazing but you wont be anything like when youre on drugs.
That's bs, just 1 good cycle permanently makes gaining muscle easier for life. By your logic no athlete would be roiding in the off season, which is traditionally what they do.
It can take years for the muscle to go if youre still training, can also take months weeks, just look at kevine levrone off season vs onstage lol. Im not saying peds dont work or change you im saying without the drugs you will eventually go back to normal, they dont bind to the receptors and never turn off lmao which is what youre implying," permanent gains" lol if you understand halflifes of drugs it takes ages to clear even fast acting compounds fully, with long acting you can do a cycle and for 8 weeks after shot still be enhanced. But none of this is forever . Once you roid you wont stop , just like everyone else lmao
It's not a matter of half lives, it's a matter of generating new myonuclei and all the infrastructure in place for increased strength and size. Every time you reach a new PR, it becomes easier to return to it natty.
Powerlifting and strongman is another sport. Im talking bodybuilding, of which is a sport solely about gaining muscle tissue and being ripped using all kinds of drugs and every single person loses the muscle when theyre actually off the drugs and like I said earlier it can take months to be fully cleared from compounds if youre doing mutliple grams aweek of different drugs.
Ive done alot of different steroids and its true. Look at every single pro bodybuilder thats retired, they all lose everything. Using steroids for actual athletic enhancement is another whole topic but bodybuilding, the muscle is all fake, hence why its known as a drug sport.
So use roids like an athlete or actor, don't blast and crash like a bodybuilder.
Yes it "can" be healthier but again, you wont be as polished off when on unless you train mega hard and eat clean. Age also plays a role in how you look on / off. Im not anti steroids, I love them.
It actually ruins natty lifting for most if you do "one" cycle. You will see how shit it is to not recover super fast anymore, not be as super strong or high endurance output anymore, the pump wont last days anymore, you wont be able to eat anything and still make gains and depending how much you take you mentally wont feel as good when normal as your new normal becomes the dose and you remember how you feel. Natty lifting honestly is a joke but atleast its healthy and you can look really good natty so not knocking it.
It wasn’t even that for me. It was working my ass off just to maintain vs. working my ass off and getting incredible results. I still like working out natty- as in between cycles- but for me the biggest issue is psychological, knowing I’m barely getting anything out of it.
It is a joke. It really fricking pisses me off honestly because in America being intelligent doesn’t mean shit, people are obsessed with pro athletes and even college who are all fricking cheating. There is no way to know who would be the best in a world without steroids at this point. I went from 6’4 200 benching 225 for an absolute maximum of 5 reps to being a leaner 230 and being able to bench 225 30 times. On just 400mg test and then test+ anavar second cycle. Also able to dunk despite never really being close before and not focusing on legs- literally just dumbbells for almost all my leg exercises including squats. And getting all kinds of attention in public. Have never had this much female attention and lust. I guess I was just naive but there’s something REALLY fricking perverse about America where you have endless fricking moronic rules that only end up punishing the people who play by them all while rewarding the people who don’t play by the rules. Still makes me seethe despite finally seeing the light.
>REALLY fricking perverse about America where you have endless fricking moronic rules that only end up punishing the people who play by them all while rewarding the people who don’t play by the rules. Still makes me seethe despite finally seeing the light.
Yeah smalltime roid dealers get busted, meanwhile Arnold gets to be governor of the largest state while blatantly being a roid abuser.
natty maxx at 12% is peak aesthetics nothing else comes close in terms of attracting women. You are able to attract every women, but if you are nichemaxxing then perhaps some more steps are needed it ultimately depends on your current goals and if you are looksmaxxing or nichemaxxing.
The only flaw in your logic is assuming everyone has the same natty max. Obviously the same input across all members of the population does not equal the same output. Some unfortunate souls need to roid just to reach a normal man's natty max.
>Some unfortunate souls need to roid just to reach a normal man's natty max.
But no one needs to roid in order to look considerably better and be stronger/fitter than most people.
True true and aesthetics is overrated anyway, it's always heavily implied that this is related to getting girls which, if you simply go to a mall or big city park any time, you'll see almost every man there with a girlfriend is not roided or even athletic looking.
>But no one needs to roid in order to look considerably better and be stronger/fitter than most people.
>no one needs to
>no one
thats... not entirely true. you can always improve yourself but some people truly are cursed. i also dont think someone with terminal cancer is going to be getting any bigger than "most people" naturally.
Out of curiosity, are you on the spectrum?
>asking that on IST
Redundant
the thing is that you can either devote every breathing second to reach your "natty max" at favorable bf% and have a hard time maintaining it, or you can do moderate test dose to get there, and effortlessly maintain it all year around, then claim natty, and everyone will believe you, so what's the point
Thou art nattier than thou
Im actually on now and not really supposed to because im mentally ill and my kidney is apparently failing but thats not stopping me, im blasting till I die now, feels like it wont be long but Ive had death over ny shoulder for awhile now he wants me but he likes me so he lets me roid for just alittle bit more.
Post body
Steroids didnt work for me I quit em saw no mass no fat loss no strength gains...
correct
>needing to go and make a post on IST totally not justifying it
go fricking pin. what do you want, my permission?
The amount of moronic aliens in this thread is insane. Just lift hard when natty, induce personal trauma, and chudmaxx, you will become shredded in no time.You all have cringy b***h brains. been doing it for 10 years and mog most roidtrannies, eat whatever the frick I want, still healthy as frick and aesthetic. Y’all homies afraid of some hard work?
>WAAH WAAH WAAH
Oh my god, shut the frick up, you whiny homosexual b***h
>WAAAAAA
>im a lazy b***h
stop with the cope pussy
>working out with perfect diet for 10+ years
You probably haven't even tapped into the esoteric knowledge available to you
Without all the information and discipline needed to obtain the physique you desire
You really think taking roids is the answer
You are lost without a map, you think you can eat some shrooms and hallucinate your way out of the forest