Do more wide-grip lat pulldowns with a slow eccentric?
If you can't do 5 pull-ups, don't do them. Do LPDs till you build up enough lat strength to bang out at least 3 sets of 5 on a normine grip.
Work up to 4x10 with that grip than transition to Wides, work up to 4x10, now add weight. Add in increments of 5kg - this isn't the type of exercise where 2.5kg increments are condusive.
Not really, the cable changes the resistance quite a bit
Strengthen your back with free weight rows and do the usual compounds, and just attempt chin ups at the end of every session, or settle for dead hangs
Unless you're fat and getting fatter, they'll come eventually, they did for me when I was a blob beginner
I'm 6'2" and 230, going on 220-215 in the next month or two as my cut rounds off back to maintenance. I can hit 160 wide grip lat pulldowns with perfect form for reps.
More for the close grip chin up type pulldowns.
At what point should I be able to do legit pull-ups vs. the machine? I've heard it's not 1 to 1.
My gym doesn't have an assisted pull up station and I don't want to look like a b***h hitting 1 or less pull ups on my first attempt.
Alright, so I should just try to cut more since weight is the ultimate factor, and aim for like sub 205 body weight while trying to hit 205 on my pulldowns.
It would take more than 2 months, but that definitely sounds reasonable.
I could aim for like 190-195 body weight, but I'd definitely be losing muscle in my legs at that point. Do you think more rows and bicep isolation could compensate a little, or should I just say frick it to my squat and deadlift maxes to get the back first and hope say a 3x8 pull ups routine can keep up with whatever muscle I want to later re-gain in my legs?
>160 wide grip lat pulldowns with perfect form for reps
If this is 160lbs of resistance, that's not all that much, you should definitely increase your working weight. Also pullups don't typically use a very wide grip, and recruit more of the biceps.
I'm 6'2" and 230, going on 220-215 in the next month or two as my cut rounds off back to maintenance. I can hit 160 wide grip lat pulldowns with perfect form for reps.
More for the close grip chin up type pulldowns.
At what point should I be able to do legit pull-ups vs. the machine? I've heard it's not 1 to 1.
My gym doesn't have an assisted pull up station and I don't want to look like a b***h hitting 1 or less pull ups on my first attempt.
put a pullup bar in your doorway or find a place to hang some rings, then you can practice in private
>fatty >3.5 plate DL >Could never do a pull up >assister pull up machine with 40kg >Lost some weight and got my lats and technique in check. >18kg assistedx5
Im going for it. I will reach the 1 pull up
I'm 6'8" and 255, I struggle to do one pull-up.
What do I do?
Lose weight or get stronger
What else?
Pull-ups also is a skill movement, have to do them a lot to get better at them.
Do more wide-grip lat pulldowns with a slow eccentric?
If you can't do 5 pull-ups, don't do them. Do LPDs till you build up enough lat strength to bang out at least 3 sets of 5 on a normine grip.
Work up to 4x10 with that grip than transition to Wides, work up to 4x10, now add weight. Add in increments of 5kg - this isn't the type of exercise where 2.5kg increments are condusive.
Limb shortening surgery
start with hangs and then holding yourself at the top and slowly lowering down
start with the assisted pullup machine
It’s just hard for us brother. I can do 5 at 6’7 265. It’s just not our exercise.
Thanks tall bro, I'm gonna keep trying because I want to be the outlier. Maybe one day I'll be able to do more than 10.
I was able to do so many when I was younger, but I was under 200lbs then and that's just not a healthy weight to be at for our height.
I’m 6’, 225lb and do sets of 10… get stronger.
Accept your inferior lat development and console yourself with heightmogging everyone
Lmao based.
Neither be a powershitter nor a fatass, its that simple. If you can't "lift" your own bodyweight above bar, you're a real DYEL.
DYEL filtered
The exercise I use to mog normies at the gym
God bless
I'm so bad at these, can I just do lat pulldowns until I have decent back strength, then move on to pullups?
Yes but try to at least do one. If you can do one then you're good to go.
Try doing negatives
Not really, the cable changes the resistance quite a bit
Strengthen your back with free weight rows and do the usual compounds, and just attempt chin ups at the end of every session, or settle for dead hangs
Unless you're fat and getting fatter, they'll come eventually, they did for me when I was a blob beginner
I'm 6'2" and 230, going on 220-215 in the next month or two as my cut rounds off back to maintenance. I can hit 160 wide grip lat pulldowns with perfect form for reps.
More for the close grip chin up type pulldowns.
At what point should I be able to do legit pull-ups vs. the machine? I've heard it's not 1 to 1.
My gym doesn't have an assisted pull up station and I don't want to look like a b***h hitting 1 or less pull ups on my first attempt.
For a lat pulldown you have to hit at minimum your bodyweight, but preferably more, for reps for it to have some sort of carryover to pull-ups.
Alright, so I should just try to cut more since weight is the ultimate factor, and aim for like sub 205 body weight while trying to hit 205 on my pulldowns.
It would take more than 2 months, but that definitely sounds reasonable.
I could aim for like 190-195 body weight, but I'd definitely be losing muscle in my legs at that point. Do you think more rows and bicep isolation could compensate a little, or should I just say frick it to my squat and deadlift maxes to get the back first and hope say a 3x8 pull ups routine can keep up with whatever muscle I want to later re-gain in my legs?
Body weight pull ups recruit from a lot the core so they aren't a perfect 1 to 1 carry over to lat pull downs.
It's more like 0.95 to 1. On the days I don't feel like wearing plates I do lat pulldowns and it has a huge effect on my pull ups
Dunno if it's true or not but I can lat pulldown reps and pull-up from deadhangs.
How can you pull down more than your own body weight on a pulley? Wouldn't you just end up pulling yourself up?
>160 wide grip lat pulldowns with perfect form for reps
If this is 160lbs of resistance, that's not all that much, you should definitely increase your working weight. Also pullups don't typically use a very wide grip, and recruit more of the biceps.
What's the consensus on what constitutes a full pull up?
chin over bar from a dead hang
put a pullup bar in your doorway or find a place to hang some rings, then you can practice in private
Straight arms to chest to bar.
I do self assisted pullups like this and OP cand suck my dick
fattie seething
resistance band assistance is better than the machine
I'm a bit of a fatass, 5'11 and 220lb at my heaviest, and I could still do 9 pullups/11 chinups with good form. Now I'm 210 and can do 10-11 pullups.
imagine not being able to do at least 10 pullups. lmao. lmfao even.
>t. drops from 10 to 5 pull ups on 2nd set
pullups are not a big deal
I could do like 10 as a baseline as a skinny dyel
A 4 plate deadlift is way more useful
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>fatty
>3.5 plate DL
>Could never do a pull up
>assister pull up machine with 40kg
>Lost some weight and got my lats and technique in check.
>18kg assistedx5
Im going for it. I will reach the 1 pull up
I built up crazy strength on pullups and chinups when i was lean, but even though im fat now I can still do weighted pullups and weighted chinups