I knew nick. We built my drums together, he was based. He also bought me in n out and I went to one of his band practices. He gave me a bunch mf merch from the rust/countdown era but I lost it all in a move. Autographed tour pamphlets and shit, really cool stuff.
Nick was a terrific drummer, and by all accounts a wonderful person. That's an awesome story, sorry to hear that you lost the merch while moving.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>muh wonderful person
shut up and stop namegayging a literalwho, I don't care about you shilling "muh wonderful person" over and over and over.
its fricking annoying and benefits nobody
I've dealt with many shit people and morons will still go "muh wonderful person" when they're circlejerking each other hand on dick.
I can't even fricking participate in what interests me anymore cause of moronic website administration and their circlejerk cabal.
so sick of people saying the "I knew literalwho and he was like.. a wonderful heckin person and skilled xyz" like shut the frick up you aren't at his funeral or some gay shit we don't need to know that.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He was a solid dude but he was a drug addict; I don’t think he ever kicked meth. Especially living in studio city LA where I’m sure speed is super easy to find. But we bullshitted a lot, he was good to me so I have nothing but love for true guy.
I know his wife left him for some gay she met on WoW so I’m sure he wasn’t the greatest of men. He was a good fricking drummer, forearms lime I’ve never seen on another human especially a short guy and he bought me in n out.
I think he was just super happy that somebody looked up to him as an actual rock star instead of a washed up hasbeen. This was in 2007 so I was like 18 at the time and had been listening to megadeth since I was little so I was over the moon about it.
>muh wonderful person
shut up and stop namegayging a literalwho, I don't care about you shilling "muh wonderful person" over and over and over.
its fricking annoying and benefits nobody
I've dealt with many shit people and morons will still go "muh wonderful person" when they're circlejerking each other hand on dick.
I can't even fricking participate in what interests me anymore cause of moronic website administration and their circlejerk cabal.
so sick of people saying the "I knew literalwho and he was like.. a wonderful heckin person and skilled xyz" like shut the frick up you aren't at his funeral or some gay shit we don't need to know that.
Dude you are insufferable. We weren’t even talking to you. Go cry some more about not being g herbie Hanwiener after taking a 30 minute YouTube lesson
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
"go cry more about not being literalwho"
your the one crying over a drug addict but claiming he was "muh solid and wonderful guy", maybe you should look at yourself and fricking realize why I'm insufferable in the first place when people have been treating me like shit for 5+ years at this point no matter the context or space, I don't even fricking want to bother.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That sounds like a great experience, full bragging rights anon.
Shame he was hitting the pipe, probably trying to replicate that adrenalised buzz of playing arenas. I wonder how things would've been if the Megs reunion worked out (the Menza/Friedman lineup was best era imo).
Not really. With acoustic you need one classical or flamenco, one parlour or 00, one dreadnought. On electric you need at least a telecaster and a superstrat like charvel.
frick man, I'll stick to electrics. I don't want to end up spending a lot on a single type of instrument while I can learn multiple with less money. Nta btw
Electric is fine but a trap people fall into is hiding behind effects pedals and distortion and never developing tightness and feel that acoustic forces you to get. Steel strings are also much harder to play well when it comes to barring. Nylon feels a lot like electric strings but the cool thing is how much space between the strings there is, it's a great instrument for learning more and more chords on.
I'm one of the bass players itt and want to get a guitar but it looks like a rabbit hole I'm not ready to fall into.
I fully agree with the pedal argment and it's one of the reasons I am tempted by electrics so much, mainly becasue I can emulate them on the pc via plug ins or w/e, which I cannot do with acoustcs. I also cannot tell the differences between the types of guitars so I think I will buy the "wrong one". I'd rather just buy a cheap strat and learn technique before looking into more specific things (which I won't because I enjoy playing bass A LOT).
I'll probably go for a piano idk
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I think I will buy the "wrong one"
buy a stratocaster that has a humbucker at the bridge (pick-up configuration of the red guitar in
https://i.imgur.com/u2zwr8w.jpg
Guitar
Bench
). This will have you covered in 90% of cases. You'll have both single coils for the twangy and funky shit like country and indie pop music and the humbucker at the bridge is what will do the job if you want to play metal and rock someday and chug on the guitar.
You won't get as much variety in any other configuration tbh so a strat with a humbucker is by far the savest way to go if you've got no clue what you want. Squier ones are dirt cheap and really good quality.
After that you should get a hang of things a little more and know if you need something specific or more frets, but you can't go "wrong" with a humbucker strat as your first. But make sure it has a humbucker, not three single coils, that limits you quite a lot again.
t. own dozens of guitars and been playing for 19 years
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The "wrong" was referring to the acoustics and the different types of them that keeps me away from bothering with them. I am a little familiar with electrics and I admit I already am split between getting a cheap strat with the specs you gave (HSS/HS) but I was looking into starting out with more frets. I think this is not a good starting point especially since I have big hands
What this anon said [...]
Now as for the price, I wouldn't recommend going below 350 euros, possibly get one second hand. I've seen reviewers praise cheap guitars like harley bentons nowadays but I have one as a backup guitar and it plays and sounds like ass.
I am not very confident in getting a used bc I won't be able to tell how it has been taken care of. I have to admit I have been looking at the HB and Eastcoast since they have configurations I am looking for for docent price. I guess I'll have to keep a closer eye on used guitars or wait for any deals on any of the stores around here.
Thank you chaps
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
okay homie, then get an Ibanez GIO with 24 frets and hh or ssh if you're already familiar with them.
If you still need anything else you're just kidding yourself. Don't buy HB and don't buy used unless you can inspect and play it once. If you know what a well-maintained bass is the same applies for guitars, they're not different at all.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I am not very confident in getting a used bc I won't be able to tell how it has been taken care of.
I get what you mean, I don't buy used shit for the same reason no matter how much my dad and my friends insist I'm just paranoid. But I think if you've ever bought a bass second hand a guitar shouldn't be that different.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I bought a used bass and was forced to turn it into a project bass bc the room was dim and did not do a thorough inspection.
okay homie, then get an Ibanez GIO with 24 frets and hh or ssh if you're already familiar with them.
If you still need anything else you're just kidding yourself. Don't buy HB and don't buy used unless you can inspect and play it once. If you know what a well-maintained bass is the same applies for guitars, they're not different at all.
I wasn't being dismissive anon. I do appreciate what you said and will take it into consideration when I decide to buy one. I meant I am familiar with the basic terminology and stuff. I know frick all when it comes to everything else. I meant to say that my only requirement was getting one with 24 frets but wanted to ask you if you think it's a good idea for a bass player to go to 24 instead of going for a versatile one like the strat. Just came back from word, pardon my incoherence
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>wanted to ask you if you think it's a good idea for a bass player to go to 24 instead of going for a versatile one like the strat
https://i.imgur.com/QcZQomA.png
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Here, this thing is by far the best bang for your buck if you're a starter and even beats HB prices. It covers 99% of any type of music you should ever want to try. I'd suggest removing the tremolo, though. Those are pieces of shit on just about any guitar that's less than four figures and a beginner has no use for tremolo technique in the first place, that's advanced stuff.
covers everything. but honestly, 24 frets are a meme. Most rock songs used stuff like Gibson and Fenders which are 22 at best and you can bend the 22nd fret up to sound like a 24th if you really need that double octave. Very few use cases, but it sure can't hurt to have those 24 just in case. I get where you're coming from. But again, you won't find a much better instrument than
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Here, this thing is by far the best bang for your buck if you're a starter and even beats HB prices. It covers 99% of any type of music you should ever want to try. I'd suggest removing the tremolo, though. Those are pieces of shit on just about any guitar that's less than four figures and a beginner has no use for tremolo technique in the first place, that's advanced stuff.
to start out and cover just about any aspect a guitar can cover. Only thing you'll miss is a neck humbucker, but only real pros would be able to tell the difference between a neck humbucker and two middle single coils anyways.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/QcZQomA.png
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Here, this thing is by far the best bang for your buck if you're a starter and even beats HB prices. It covers 99% of any type of music you should ever want to try. I'd suggest removing the tremolo, though. Those are pieces of shit on just about any guitar that's less than four figures and a beginner has no use for tremolo technique in the first place, that's advanced stuff.
You c**ts should ask thomann a commission bc I'm about to pull the trigger. It's pretty much what I have been looking for and quite possibly the most convincing shilling I have seen. Thanks for the input too!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
both are me kek. I just know my stuff and that guitar is truly the best starter shitter you can get new.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You should still ask for a commission. You're a good man, guitargay. I'l spare you when the day of the raking comes (sry can't come up with a good pun)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
just make sure you remove that god-awful tremolo or say goodbye to having much fun on a guitar you won't have to re-tune every half hour. If you want to get into tremolo you need to spend much much more.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I come here with a very annoying question: I've noticed on myself and some students that the volume knob being this close to the strings interferes with the picking hand when you're doing something on the high E string. Ever noticed anything like it? I learned on a guitar with a volume knob like that and the moment I got a LP shaped guitar my mind was blown by how easy it was to play for that specific reason.
To the guy who wants to buy it: it looks great, don't worry about this it's mostly a schizo theory
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bro, almost any guitar is fine. The things are 85% built by auto cutting machines nowadays. Just test every fret on every strong and make sure there's not excessive fret buzz. Make sure the open string and the 12th fret are the same note one octave apart. Make sure the strings aren't absurdly high off the fret board (no more than a fifth of an inch or so). That's all. You can play any type of music with any guitar. There are dudes playing convincing metal with telecasters. There's dudes playing country with hellraiser schecters. The Stratocaster is probably the most universal thing and if you want to play heavy stuff try to get a humbucker but those things aren't even really that terribly important. Building the skills is 90% of the tone. Geargays are obsessed over the dumbest shit. I found a perfectly good strat at the pawn shop for 40 dollars last year and it's 100% playable with no real problems. That's a really really good deal, but the point is you DONT need to spend 200 dollars if you don't want. Expect to spend around 100 for something decent but sometimes you can find them for less.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Make sure the open string and the 12th fret are the same note one octave apart
Bro, I have been playng bass for almost 2 years and I only learned how to do that a few weeks ago. I felt like an absolute moron having to read a book about maths to understand and be able to tell the difference.
The rest of the post is exactly what I needed to be told. I felt relieved I was not talked down by another guitargay about tonewood gear quality or whatever. 10/10 post.
I like you man, I wish you the best
just make sure you remove that god-awful tremolo or say goodbye to having much fun on a guitar you won't have to re-tune every half hour. If you want to get into tremolo you need to spend much much more.
Yea, tremolo is out of the question until technique reached a level I am confident I can add it to my playing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only real pros would be able to tell the difference between a neck humbucker and two middle single coils anyways.
Is that a bad thing though? It's more versatile because you can use the neck single coil for clean stuff.
My guitar has 2 active humbuckers so I admittedly have no practical experience with this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>muh herpderper
Shut up n play yer guitar. Simple as.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
humbuckers sound really fat, that's why they're so prevalent on those chugging machines and commonly used at the bridge to make up for the thinner tone the string create down there while retaining the clanky sound that caused those brutal chugs.
Single coils sound thin as frick, which is very good for funk and shit like for example here: youtu.be/nmbsW1JbQXo?t=7
In an ideal world you'll get a guitar like a PRS that can simply split the coils and transform humbuckers into singles and then you'll truly have a guitar that covers not 99% but 100% of possible applications, but you won't find something like that on a budget that quickly.
I come here with a very annoying question: I've noticed on myself and some students that the volume knob being this close to the strings interferes with the picking hand when you're doing something on the high E string. Ever noticed anything like it? I learned on a guitar with a volume knob like that and the moment I got a LP shaped guitar my mind was blown by how easy it was to play for that specific reason.
To the guy who wants to buy it: it looks great, don't worry about this it's mostly a schizo theory
>I've noticed on myself and some students that the volume knob being this close to the strings interferes with the picking hand when you're doing something on the high E string
Yeah, that's a Strat thing. You either get used to it and somehow find a way to position your hand in a way that doesn't touch it when you play close to the bridge or you simply never play further down than the middle pick-up which is what most strat players do anyhow since the bridge single coil sounds like shit and might as well not exist, the chick with the blonde hair did it right in my opinion kek: youtu.be/Y9UdrctkzbQ?t=1136
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
okay homie, then get an Ibanez GIO with 24 frets and hh or ssh if you're already familiar with them.
If you still need anything else you're just kidding yourself. Don't buy HB and don't buy used unless you can inspect and play it once. If you know what a well-maintained bass is the same applies for guitars, they're not different at all.
Here, this thing is by far the best bang for your buck if you're a starter and even beats HB prices. It covers 99% of any type of music you should ever want to try. I'd suggest removing the tremolo, though. Those are pieces of shit on just about any guitar that's less than four figures and a beginner has no use for tremolo technique in the first place, that's advanced stuff.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The "wrong" was referring to the acoustics and the different types of them that keeps me away from bothering with them
Just get a concert then.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What this anon said
>I think I will buy the "wrong one"
buy a stratocaster that has a humbucker at the bridge (pick-up configuration of the red guitar in [...]). This will have you covered in 90% of cases. You'll have both single coils for the twangy and funky shit like country and indie pop music and the humbucker at the bridge is what will do the job if you want to play metal and rock someday and chug on the guitar.
You won't get as much variety in any other configuration tbh so a strat with a humbucker is by far the savest way to go if you've got no clue what you want. Squier ones are dirt cheap and really good quality.
After that you should get a hang of things a little more and know if you need something specific or more frets, but you can't go "wrong" with a humbucker strat as your first. But make sure it has a humbucker, not three single coils, that limits you quite a lot again.
t. own dozens of guitars and been playing for 19 years
Now as for the price, I wouldn't recommend going below 350 euros, possibly get one second hand. I've seen reviewers praise cheap guitars like harley bentons nowadays but I have one as a backup guitar and it plays and sounds like ass.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
When did you buy yours?
I’ve bought 2 in the last two years and they’re both pretty spectacular. Especially the dreadnought.
Electric is fine but a trap people fall into is hiding behind effects pedals and distortion and never developing tightness and feel that acoustic forces you to get. Steel strings are also much harder to play well when it comes to barring. Nylon feels a lot like electric strings but the cool thing is how much space between the strings there is, it's a great instrument for learning more and more chords on.
the thing is if you learn acoustic you can also play electric but not vice versa
acoustic is a hard beast to tame but imo you don't want to be the guy that can play electric but not acoustic
You got me there, frick. I still don't want to get the "wrong guitar" only to end up wanting to buy a new one or trade the old one in. Unless I can find one that is versatile enough with skill carry-over I'll probably stick to bass and piano
Depends on what you play, but generally one of each is doable. Some people like having different guitars set-up differently and they do have different tones, but ultimately its much more about the player than the instrument.
Yeah, but it's a good finger workout. His solos just get more fun as you go along. And they're not super technically difficult, but a good showcase for how you can use pentatonics and not sound boring.
what a pretentious and expected answer. 100% guitarst who couldn't cut it and switched to bass.
Post more recordings
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
nah, 1000% bassist who bought guitars for funsies, I like being in demand
https://vocaroo.com/1nmBeQtLDMtP
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>trips
well frick me I can't wiggle my way out of this one. I still think you're a pretentious homosexual and not only because I suck at my instruments
>wasted
PRS Chads rise up
https://voca.ro/17SxzbL8oBXs
Well, his recordings me be filled with pretentious suppressed homosexuality but you are the typical flashy tryhard guitar player. You are bad
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I still think you're a pretentious homosexual
if it cheers you up, you're likely to mogg my manlet ass irl so chin-up princess
https://vocaroo.com/1hU6eGzdDOXP
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>if it cheers you up, you're likely to mogg my manlet ass irl so chin-up princess
it doesnt because I don't like being on the taller side. I also have a lot of respect towards "manlets" with your attitude. You may be short but definitely not a manlet fren.
That vocaroo gave me a good laugh, keep 'em coming
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>keep 'em coming
https://vocaroo.com/1i5Jum8BEbgS
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ok, the sound is a little muddy but i'm curious what are you using to record and mix stuff. Good stuff but I'd like some more audible janny defecation
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
post your guitar solo
https://voca.ro/1epn7MMLMmn7
I have one of these bad boys but I love all my guitars and basses God bless them.
Several times now I’ve thought I’d like to learn to play but I listen to guys like Buckethead and Stevie Ray Vaughan and think about how I’ll never be that good and change my mind.
Hope you didn't use the same approach for fitness tbf. If it helps I can guarantee you the following things will make you mog most "players" you can meet in everyday life >basic music theory >read tabs and notation >learn how to mute the strings you're not playing
I might add more but this is more than enough
did you guys learn to play guitar yourselves?
Yeah but I fricked my tendons up early on because I was playing for 10 hours a day so I kinda needed proper lessons
One day when i happen to be rich im gonna get myself a Laiho signature Greeny, should have gotten it sooner cause ever since he died those things are like 5k and up.
Several times now I’ve thought I’d like to learn to play but I listen to guys like Buckethead and Stevie Ray Vaughan and think about how I’ll never be that good and change my mind.
You might never be that good but you can be really really really fricking good. Hell, guys who aren't good at all are in successful bands.
Several times now I’ve thought I’d like to learn to play but I listen to guys like Buckethead and Stevie Ray Vaughan and think about how I’ll never be that good and change my mind.
Just because you'll never be an elite player does not mean you shouldnt do it. I'm shit at playing bass, which has a very easy learning curve but I still try to learn and I'm at a point I enjoy it. Pick an instrument and start learning. Avoid spending too much on it regardless what the IST snobs tell ya
IST bucks the trend when it comes to IST boards knowing autistically about their craft.
They know how to be music listening snobs but know very little about actually playing and making music
even outside IST, music people are like that Gatekeeping and snobbery are core traits of being someone who's identity revolves around liking a specific music genre. Metalheads are a perfect example
>Metalheads are a perfect example
True, but I find metal scratches a very specific itch that no other gnere can touch and theres lots of difference between subgenres.
Most annoying shit I find is people is the more obscure/brutal = better crowd, and some pretentious idiots who claim metal is basically jazz or classical in a vain attempt to look sophisticated.
IST bucks the trend when it comes to IST boards knowing autistically about their craft.
They know how to be music listening snobs but know very little about actually playing and making music
To play devils advocate, having musical skills does not mean you have good taste, and it perfectly possible to know a large amount of good music without being able to play even one note. Same thing applies to movies and games.
>being good at music doesn't mean you have good taste
Yes, that's true. Taste is also subjective, and I would rather be a skilled musician than "have good taste"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm inclined to agree. Shame that IST has neither.
>they infiltrate and subvert
That's because the people who become trannies are autistic lonely nerds with similar brains to other posters on IST. They are us, but they got pulled in by the troon mind virus.
Trannies are of course the spearhead online, but I was more talking about leftists in general. I don't think an artist is by definition left wing, but for some reason the current right simply does not appeal to artistic types at all.
It's actually kind of impressive how they manage to infiltrate and subvert everything.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they infiltrate and subvert
That's because the people who become trannies are autistic lonely nerds with similar brains to other posters on IST. They are us, but they got pulled in by the troon mind virus.
Drums are the most fun instrument though, they're so physical and primal
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Guitar
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You might never be that good but you can be really really really fricking good. Hell, guys who aren't good at all are in successful bands.
https://i.imgur.com/4e0v9nc.jpg
I have one of these bad boys but I love all my guitars and basses God bless them.
[...]
Hope you didn't use the same approach for fitness tbf. If it helps I can guarantee you the following things will make you mog most "players" you can meet in everyday life >basic music theory >read tabs and notation >learn how to mute the strings you're not playing
I might add more but this is more than enough
[...]
Yeah but I fricked my tendons up early on because I was playing for 10 hours a day so I kinda needed proper lessons
https://i.imgur.com/Q1J6A8P.gif
Just because you'll never be an elite player does not mean you shouldnt do it. I'm shit at playing bass, which has a very easy learning curve but I still try to learn and I'm at a point I enjoy it. Pick an instrument and start learning. Avoid spending too much on it regardless what the IST snobs tell ya
NTA but I thought reaching SRV levels was achievable
is he that insane?
Definitely doable technique wise but his solos are very unpredictable and his vibrato was out of this world. You can do it and even just attempting to learn one of his solos is an incredible exercise that will make you a better player no cap fr fr
I have to because I can't afford lessons so I have to watch online lessons, practice, record myself and evaluate. It's a very slow process but I dont have many options since I'm a broke homie
GAS is a costly illness bro. I fell for it but I finally realised that it's better to get familiar with one tool before getting a new flashy one. You got a very solid bass there, easily one of the best for starting
I've had my guitar and bass for 15 years, so I'm due some upgrades. I tried to get the bass fixed cause the action is too moronic to play, but it was a lost cause.
It's a bit budget but it's fine for the amount I play. For a new guitar I might consider dropping a grand. If I can only find an X shape guitar without jumbo frets or a floyd rose. Seems impossible.
should have gotten the YamahaTRB in Mango finish instead, looks way fancier.
I wouldn't have minded it in black but I I don't care that much, I just wanted to pull the trigger when I was the store.
In your case I understand. I thought you were a beginner like me, in which case it's very bad thing to buy new gear before your experience warrants an upgrade
I'm learning the Ironman solo and by fretting index finger middle phalanx hurts for days after holding the barre chord for too long. Will it get stronger over time?
For some reason I was very confident in my ability to change a string without checking YT. I need to get my tuner fixed. BTW do any of you play piano? I've been playing for about 6 months. I'm trying to figure out what I should be focusing on when I practice.
how the FRICK do learn music theory and improvisation and shit?
I've "played guitar" for years but all I'm really capable of is sight reading tabs and noodling
Also use this at least for writing. And realize you can substitute major on the VI, major on the III, Minor on the iv. But just start in C and learn how I, IV, V, vi, ii, iii sound. And learn the 12 pop progressions.
Start with minor pentatonic scale, learn a few licks, then put on a backing track and sound like ass for a long time until you don't. There's a million ideas on YouTube for improv. Restrict yourself to 3 notes only or something and see how expressive you can make them sound. Learn to bend. Learn good vibrato. I used to just jam with backing tracks while stoned for hours and very slowly over time, it sounded better. I still hit wrong notes to this day though because I never did intensive fretboard memorization but I'm actually doing that now with learning triads in all positions in all inversions. Soon I'll be ripping off arpeggios at will
This is somewhat true but please note that minor and major pentatonic have exactly the same shape but 3 frets apart. And substituting minor for major and vice versa is one of the tricks to both country and blues. Don't neglect learning country because it will teach you mixolydian and how to bend around 3rds.
Dude, I'm a metalhead and I can shred quite a bit and play some mean improvisation and none of what you said pertains to me. I hate country music. I know the major scale but rarely play in it. Dude wants to know how to get started in improvisation and you're throwing intermediate theory language at him about subbing chords when the dude says he just knows how to play tabs. Let him noodle in the minor pentatonic and get some enjoyment out of that to inspire him to learn more before bogging him down with intervals and dodgy advice like "you HAVE to study this genre even if you don't want to"
Metal is a cope for suburban whitoid males who are absolutely desperate for any sembalance of a masculine identity in the sterilized corporate hellscape in which they find themselves. Torn as babes at age 5 from his parents, he is forced into a state indoctrination facility and raised by a deeply unimpressive government worker as his parents go to work for a corporation and then are paid in state funny money which is being devalued constantly and forced to pay back some of this fake money to their slave-masters. The child instinctively knows there ia something deeply, deeply wrong with this situation as he is fed goybean oil chicken nuggets and corn syrup rbst milk in this state owned facility day after day. By 12 or 13 he finds metal ane begins dressing like a spooky dark clown and listening to angry music to adapt to this absolutely horror inducing existance of living from inside box to box staring at a box.
NTA but I just like metal because it's similar to classical guitar but faster. Chill out.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>power chords >like classical
Because of harmonic minor leads oh i am laughin
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not that, you fricking goofball, I mean stuff like Jason Becker.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That impressed me when I was 15. But if you want to see some baroque understanding in terms of the actual progressions and voice leading instead of just pantomiming with harmonic minor arpegios then check this out.
By your logic, what isn't a cope? Anything that involves acts of devotion towards such a hellscspe?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Having a trad wife, some home agriculture for a primarily whole food diet, hunting for meat and buying it from a local rancher and having chickens and/or goats, and enrolling your kids in a homeschool co-op or private montessori. Public education is inherently evil.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I do all that except for hunting and I still like heavy metal and lifting heavy weights. You need to keep your inner child somewhat alive anon, it's for the best.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And for all anons who want children: brace for the first 3 to 4 years, you'd better work on your time management skills now if you don't have them because you're gonna have to squeeze your workouts/practice like you wouldn't believe.
This applies to me as a teenager mostly but there's nothing wrong with it. Gotta cope somehow. You eventually figure shit out but in the meanwhile it's necessary to cope somehow, and through metal you might get to learn an advanced level of technique if you play an instrument, which is valuable in itself.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean most metal is just power chords. I don't really find it particularly impressive unless they have some particularly tasty phrasing on their single note soloing with some modal things going on and not just plain harmonic minor and pentatonic.
metal, especially black, is just reggae for white people, basically modern ethnic music. it's a genre of contrasts, unlike black music, because ytbois, we have no smooth groove like Blacks, we just go either full soft or full hard, it's actually kinda hard to understand if you're not white, that's why some people have a problem with it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Look up any reggae song compilation on YouTube and randomly jump between points in the time. Every single guitar is EXACTLY the same part (chop chop ka-chop). The only variation will be in key and tempo
There is no such thing as more than one reggae song.
obvious b8 but I'm married with a kid and one on the way
I just took the time to get back into playing after college, the same way I set aside time for liftan and roonin
Looking for some advice, what are good drills for technique and theory? I'm just doing spider walks and pinky isolation drills then trying to memorize the fretboard so I can carryover to scales later on. or should I start with scales? I'm not really motivated to learn songs now because my technique sucks.
Depends on your goals, but the advice of "play slowly until you get it right then speed it up" is always pertinent. The only exception to this rule is if you want to be a speed shredder because you eventually develop decent slow technique but you'll never become a shredder until you FORCE yourself to play fast shit even if it sucks. I got stuck in the "don't go faster until you've got it perfect" camp for years thinking I was gonna play fast stuff eventually. You never get fast until you force yourself to play fast. But if you want flawless technique at moderate speeds, you must play very slowly until you've got it perfect.
The thing that absolutely changed the game for me was a video called "The Principles of Correct Practice for Guitar". It was made by some dude who has trooned out in recent years but the old video, they're still a man. That's besides the point though because the video is fricking priceless for developing good technique. The emphasis is on elimination of ALL tension in the body and playing effortlessly. Also, practice playing SO SLOWLY that there is no tempo and it's like you're playing in super slow motion. Use this excessive time to PERFECT your finger movements as if you were a robot. Watch the video, it will make it clear. It's boring practice for sure, but if you ACTUALLY do it, you will see improvement guaranteed.
That's it! Follow that dude's (now a "woman" if you watch his newer content lmfao) advice and practice consistently and you ABSOLUTELY WILL get much better at guitar. It's boring for sure but you'll never struggle again once you've got that correct effortless technique down. I'm serious when I say that video was the one thing that made all the difference in my playing.
scales are super easy and always good to learn, but really you gotta just learn songs you like tbh
learning to play songs that use techniques that are new to you and/or difficult teaches you those techniques in a structured context, instead of as arbitrary finger exercises. the trick is in finding songs that are harder and harder than what you already know, and having the diligence to push yourself
So, for example, there's a song I'm learning now through tabs. It's in E minor, so I'm looking at a e minor scale diagram while practicing, and I'm trying to recognise the triads being hit in the tabs. Does that approach make any sense?
scales are super easy and always good to learn, but really you gotta just learn songs you like tbh
learning to play songs that use techniques that are new to you and/or difficult teaches you those techniques in a structured context, instead of as arbitrary finger exercises. the trick is in finding songs that are harder and harder than what you already know, and having the diligence to push yourself
Both of these. Scales and chord shapes are intertied. Knowing basic theory about triads and how they tie into the scale your playing will help you understand how to build a solo, but ultimately knowing theory won't make you sound good.
Practicing with that information and learning solos you like while also being mindful of the theory (chord progression, target notes, riff sequences) behind them will help you immensely.
I've played guitar for a while now
I wish rock was still cool and it was like the 90s where you could form a band with your mates and travel around the country in a dingy van
>I wish rock was still cool and it was like the 90s where you could form a band with your mates and travel around the country in a dingy van
it is and you can, it's just a different style than what was mainstream back then. bands like Peach Pit and Mom Jeans. and PUP do the van-touring thing off the strength of simple four-piece band songs (guitar, vocals, bass, drums), they're just not the same style of rock that was big back then.
I have a short, low vocal range and tuned it specifically for BM / DM e.g. Burzum. I just don't know where to get started lol. There's also some Rush and Type O Neg to play
not a guitargay but I wanted to try playing piano.
so I got a guide, and followed it a few pages in, probably wasted 30+ minutes or frick was it two hours?
Kept trying to do LH and RH until they sounded OK, but it just fricking sucks.
Piano posture fricking sucks, can’t rest my arms, fingers are positioned awkwardly close together, fingers feel weak and uncoordinated despite me doing stuff like typing on a keyboard fine.
Musicians are homosexuals, I don’t know how to fix weak fingers but they must spend so much time fingering someone else’s butthole that they got over muscled fingers or something.
I don’t think I’ll have a hobby other than consoom
Get some lessons Black person
I don't know why people avoid music lessons like the plague, wanna do it well quick? Pay someone and learn, it's that simple. You will have to study hard anyway but you won't be spinning your wheels.
i don't have money
plus aren't some hobbies supposed to be fricking free in the first place, I literally got a piano I never used but lord forbid if I'm trying to learn how to use it and I have to pay for this shit.
musicians are unironic cancer frick them, shitty ass "yeah just pay 120 a hour!!" type of garbage just so you have the "novelty" of playing some obscure song without fricking up.
already reading this homosexual, book's concepts are fine but frick timing and frick playing with both hands, their methods of keeping timing are moronic anyway.
Lol stay scared of a metronome. Two hand abilities will come over time with practice. Unfortunately you can't just cheat with roids for piano.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't have a metronome in the first place homosexual.
anyway frick this "muh practic!" bullshit, how many times do I have to do it until I become not shit? Why can't you fricking answer that?
inb4 >muh cheats muh roids!
Black person, I'm not composing music, I just want to play a couple songs and be fine at them, I don't give a shit about excellence or trying to nail muh timing and muh fundamentals.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It probably takes a few months of daily practice. But once you get one or two songs, the rest start to come quicker.
How quickly it comes is directly relatable to how much focused practice you put in.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>muh few months
frick this shit why does everything take months of work
I learned how to drive fine after a few days, lost my parallel parking skills but I can regain them in a couple hours.
meanwhile musicgays keep doing the same autistic shit over and over for multiple months until they "break le barrier" just to play fricking music and not even compose it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
K, keep being shit then.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Feels good 90% of people don't have the patience for this sort of stuff unless their parentd forced them to learn it as kids.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I literally already answered why. Muscle adaptation in hands/forearms and the mind-muscle connectivity.
You don't get jacked or lean after one half-assed gym session. Most things in life are hard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>hobbies are easy! >nobody likes you if you don't get a hobby! >try getting hobby >get dragged down and poisoned by shitty advice from moronic people, book has OK advice but it still is shit in some aspects like "muh piano posture" which makes things even more uncomfortable
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Unless your hobby is dull shit like stamp/funko pop collecting, some degree of skill is involved yes. What's the point of doing something if it's easy?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
good to know that musicians and artists are shitty people.
had to deal with a shitty ass artgay whining over me "stalking" him by looking at his publicly viewable favourites list.
now I have to deal with shitty musicgays going "just heckin pay absurd amounts of money to git gud or else it's like heckin roiding if you don't and instead try to learn yourself!"
fricking hell, do you want more musicians in the world or not?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are legit moronic. I told you there's unlimited free resources on YouTube and the greater internet. The only cost to getting proficient at piano is practicing consistently.
Any whining about teachers and money is coming from you. You don't need to pay anyone UNLESS YOU NEED YOUR HAND HELD. Do you need your hand held? Do you need someone to do all the work for you?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you really nitpicking the merits of paying somebody who knows how to do something tk teach you how to do something?
Unless you’re Richard Christy and you intend on living in a storage unit in Orlando where you practice 10 hours a day for a couple years, you have almost zero chance at getting anywhere by yourself. The learning curve is just too high, especially with drums because nothing you do when you’re a technically proficient drummer is intuitive. It all feels weird and wrong, even down to simply picking up a drum stick
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The other thing aboht lessons is that it keeps you true to practicing what you’ve been given for the week or two between lessons. I’m sure you’re okay with it, but I really don’t like looking or feeling stupid and it’s very obvious if you didn’t practice in the interim between lessons.
I’d advise against the YouTube youte because you can easily pick up bad habits and it’s easier to learn good habits than unlearn bad ones. It’s hard to tell what you’re doing wrong when you’re playing but it’s easy for somebody else to watch and see the minutiae
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Unless you’re Richard Christy and you intend on living in a storage unit in Orlando where you practice 10 hours a day for a couple years
I looked into this, even storage units have gone up in price.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Abloo bloo I want to be good but don't want to suffer
Anything impressive you must suffer and pain for it otherwise every NPC lame (you) would be good at it
that's why video games are such a popular hobby because it takes barely any effort to see and feel that dopamine hit of """success""" you should probably stick to that
All the cool actually genuinely badass hobbies like instruments, sports, gym, skateboarding etc no one gets good unless they take victory in the small wins and build over time. If you want to get good at guitar, you first pick a song or riff you want to learn, learn it, play it, enjoy it. Learn a simple solo. Learn some open chords. Then you can maybe learn one scale.
It's a long journey no one gets insanely good overnight, but you can teach even a day one beginner to play smoke on the water or something easy
>Duuhh but I could learn to drive easy
Yeah and you ain't beating a rally driver in a race. So what's your point. You can learn power chords in a day and make endless music with just that.
But end of the day you are a contrarian troll fox and grapes coper
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Take lessons. Drum lessons changed everything, I had to start from the beginning after having played ffotbyesrs to undo bad habits.
You sound like a loser tbh. Don’t ever be good at anything, I don’t really care
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lol wtf are you whining about? I haven't said anything about hobbies. I've just given you some basic, general knowledge about some shit you chose for yourself.
A hobby should be something you enjoy working at. Or something passive where you don't have to put any effort in like playing cards or watching tv. Learning to read/play music from scratch is like learning a new language or learning to draw and paint with some skill, and that shit ain't easy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't have a metronome
https://www.metronomeonline.com/
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I hate how people like you think.
You whine about everything you cant do and how hard it is in an age where thousands of teachers exist online for free.
>Guitar is hard
If it was easy it wouldnt be as impressive
>being fit is hard
If it was easy it wouldnt be as impressive
>Being rich is hard
you see where this is going.
Metronome apps are free. YouTube is free. Ive been playing for about two years and im better than most players because I actually practice. get started or keep sucking either way its not our problem
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’ll make your damn problem if don’t stop being mean to me
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Im not trying to be mean anon. Im just trying to drive home the fact its going to be difficult at first but its well worth it.
Generally speaking most people would rather complain and not learn instead of learning. How many people have you heard say
>"Id love to get fit like you anon but I (insert excuse)
>"Yeah I used to bench (insert lie) back when I was 20, but I dont work out anymore because (insert excuse)
Usually, difficult things are worth doing. Just push through.
Literally begin by learning the 7 chords in C and the major scale. Learn some basic pop songs like taylor swift that are 100% in C. Then learn a new key one week at a time going around the circle of fifths. So after learning the 7 chords in the key of C, learn the 7 in G then D and so on.
Lol it's called practice and reps homosexual. You have to build mind muscle connection with tiny muscles on your hands. You can't 'learn piano' in 30 minutes or a day.
>be me >play almost everyday for 6 years >in three bands. One starts gaining traction >manage to book enough gigs to tour eastern Canada >all the bros are psyched, can’t wait for summer 2020 >2020 >no more bands, no more guitar >barely touch it for four years, get into gay shit like techno and house >get back into lifting >wonder if increased grip strength will make bending easy >I’ll just jam to little wing I guess >it starts coming back >its still fun
Don’t let those gay e-gays tell you that shredding is lame, they can’t handle a guitar the way it was meant to be handled. Nothing like thinking of a sick line, and playing it right away. Keep it up bros, frick the haters.
You are my witness. Some rando online. You who looks at my collection of useless toys. Thank you.
I made a song book of stuff I wanna learn on piano. Stole the sheet music, printed it all and threw it in a binder. Still need to learn my scales but man I'm excited.
Have a ibanez bass that was bought as a birthday gift. Love the thing, plus I have a frostgiant Massif pedal with one knob and it makes it sound heavy af!!
I promise you won’t be able to learn drums from watching videos. There’s too much technique and it’s literally your entire body that’s involved, your hands alone have a hundred things that you can be doing wrong
Drums are the hardest of the rock instruments to learn. Find a jazz teacher. And start exclusively listening to good drummers. Watch people with flawless technique like louis cole or jd beck
Lol go try to play this. The consistantly is quite hard and there are so many subtle techniques to learn not just in swinging the beat or syncopation but just in physically playing a rimshot or ghost notes with good dynamics and volume control. It's 4 different limbs with ankle and wrist techniques all moving on top of the difficulty of the count being consistant and perfect on top of swinging at a different rate on every piece on the kit. Playing some fricking power chords with occasional pinch harmonics is a hell of a lot easier. And nothing sounds worse than a bad drummer.
> check out this complex drum riff, it's way harder than doing something easy on guitar
What an enormous homosexual. Guitar has every bit as much difficulty in crafting good technique. You think a bad guitarist sounds better than a bad drummer? But then add on top of all of that the fact that the guitarist has to actually know some music theory and AT LEAST study patterns in depth. Drummer literally doesn't have to do an ounce of intellectual work. BANG BANG IS HARD GUIZ
Hahahaha a guitarist who knows music theory let me search for a unicorn and leprechauns gold
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Guess you hang around idiots and homosexuals no surprise
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Almost no guitarists know any music theory whatsoever. Mostly because the guitar is a dumb shitty instrument for learning music theory due to the matrix system and tuning in 4ths with 1 third. There are 72 positions of the 12 notes to memorize before the pattern repeats. On a piano there are 12. The wholes are white and flats/sharps are black. You can see visueally with your eyes that there is no such thing as E#/Fb. You can count out notes to add in a 7 or 9 by following the scale pattern easily. This is why guitarists generally don't know anything and all play the fricking minor pentatonic and power chords and you are lucky if they can even play a c shaped or g shaped barre chord let alone know any of their 9th chords or half diminished or 13s or even any sus chords besides d2/4. They do not know how to write anything modal. They maybe MAYBE just learn enough about modes to single note solo (over power chords) in lydian, phrygian, mixolydian- if you're lucky. But normally all yoh ever hear out of a guitarist is minor pentatonic and harmonic minor.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Have you heard of miles dimitri baker ? He knows theory .
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just listened to 30 seconds. It was power chords and harmonic minor riffs.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So your argument then is "drums are harder because they're easier"
And if you're not the guy I was replying to, then you're just arguing a point I never made.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I play both. Just trust me bro, drums are harder. The skill floor is much much much higher. It is more vital to the group to have a good drummer than a good guitarist. For example, tools guitarist isn't good at all. Bad drumming ruins a song but a bad guitarist can just play power chords and it's fine. A great guitarist with a shitty drummer is unlistenable and it ruins the music.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The skill floor is higher? The frick are you talking about? I could play ACDC drums within literally a day of fricking with drums. It took weeks to be able to move chords without sounding like absolute scratchy noisy ass on guitar. Just because you're projecting your weak guitar playing power chord shit on me doesn't mean you're right. I can play plenty of complex things on guitar very fluently. Drums and guitar have their own challenges when it comes to technique, but my point still stands that guitar is actually a MUSICAL instrument that, if you're going to get good at it, requires you learn some music theory. Actual thinking work. Drums don't require thinking. Only repetition. It just so happens that guitar is more popular and affordable so there are tons of unmotivated morons who pick up guitar and dilute the player pool with bad skills and knowledge. The barrier to entry for getting into drums requires someone more dedicated and thus you tend to have a higher percentage of drum players who are competent. However, place a high level drummer against and high level guitarist and control for variables, and the guitarist has done more work because he KNOWS MUSIC.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lol try it. Acdcs drums are deceptive because he swings the beats on almost every song.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You can't play good because you can't do that thing that is so subtle that you've been deceived into thinking it didn't actually happen! Checkmate
I bet your powerchords would sound like shit to my elite trained ear
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lmao you have such poor rhythm that you don't notice a swing? Just attempt to learn drums. My first guitar song was paranoid by sabbath and I learned it in an afternoon at 14. I don't play power chord music anymore.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
YOU'RE the one who said it was deceptive. Playing a basic swing on drums isn't fricking hard dude.
That's why i said drums are the hardest "rock" instrument at the start. Because the skill floor is the highest to actually play with people. You can be playing all the small things on guitar in less than one month easily on guitar. Not drums.
Dude you're so full of shit. You can play all the small things on drums EASILY within less than one month. You're comparing easy guitar shit to intermediate drum shit. NOBODY is playing guitar in any way "good" in less than a month. They can fumble around some powerchords and make a lot of nasty noise, and sound like an amateur garage band sure, but so can a fricking beginner drummer. A beginner drummer will always sound better than a beginner guitarist because it's just fricking easier. Hihat 8th notes, bass quarter notes, snare half notes. It's simply not fricking hard. Sure they may not be able to do a fricking swing amd every beat may not be on point because they're a fricking beginner but you're going to argue that the beginner guitarist doesn't sound like straight fricking unlistenable garbage? The drummer for the white stripes had literally ZERO experience with the drums when they decided to make a band. It wasn't technical. It wasn't swing. But it was good enough to become world renowned. You have to have SEVERAL months of practice on guitar before you can even begin to entertain the idea of being part of a band that isn't nails on chalkboard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Kek try it out. You won't even be able to play the rolls
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he can’t even play a 5 stroke roll
Lmao. Dunning Kruger at its finest. You might be able to “play” all the small things but trust me, everybody can tell you’ve been playing for a month. Dynamically it’s a nightmare and nothing is intuitive about playing drums. You hit a ceiling really quickly where you simply aren’t going to get better without training
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Meanwhile, turn on distortion and learn to play a power chord and palm mute and instantly you can play most punk and pop punk which is all on beat down strokes. I could teach somebody how to play all the small things in a day on guitar. After a month of that start teaching the open chords in the keys of C, G, then D and let them loose to learn to strum some folk and country with those. After a month of that you can start on the A shape pentatonic and then just teach the other 4 positions, a week each. Then move on to upward and reverse bends, vibrato, and phrasing and have them play to backing tracks in the 5 positions for another month. Then move on to the major scale and start teaching theory and how chords are built and go back to the folk songs and start ear training on the chord changes and write a few songs of their own in root position and with power chords and experiment. Then move on to 7ths, octaves, and barring. Then caged. Then the minor scales.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can keep shoving coins in a coin sorter but it doesn't mean it isn't going to get jammed. Teaching skills to a guitar player does not translate to them sounding good. There's an infinite level of subtle nuance to the proper way to fret a string and mute the other strings and maintain minimal tension in the body that translates to sounding good. I don't care if you can play Neapolitan chords in a fancy cadence. If your technique is sub-year one, you're going to sound like shit. Why do you think the phrase "tone is 90% in the fingers" is a thing? It takes an enormous amount of time and dedication to play even the simplest things and not show the earmarks of amateur technique.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I play fingerstyle lol. But on electric guitar with distortion you can cover up your slop. Why do you think electric primary players love pedals so much. They can start on some steel string acoustic after a year on electric and that will develop more feeling and their fingers will be strong enough to begin by then especially if you start them on .8s and move to .11s by then. Acoustic makes you truly naked, especially steel string. Nylon is a lot more buttery and the mid heavy eq of it can cover up some of the high string slop that steels don't.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>on electric guitar with distortion you can cover up your slop
Absolutely moronic take, by far the most low IQ thing I've ever read. It is true pedalgays hide their mistakes any way they can be it noise gat reverbs or other homosexualry, true guitar players know how to mute their shit and handle heavy distortion with no cheap tricks. Have some goddamn respect for each instrument homosexual.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That being said I'll come clean and say I can't play fingerstyle acoustic for shit, anything beyond travis picking is black magic to me.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok? How does that prove my point wrong? God damn you keep trying to point to the fact that a beginner can't play intermediate skills as some kind of argument here. All I'm trying to say is a beginner drummer sounds less like broken glass than a beginner guitarist does. Which is basic fact. And an advanced guitarist has had to learn more skills to master his instrument than an advanced drummer. You telling me that I, as a beginner drummer, cannot do fancy shit means absolutely nothing in this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
A beginner drummer can't even hold a beat for 60 seconds. He can't play a roll for 10 seconds. You have no idea what you're talking about. A beginning guitarist can reasonably play smells like teen spirit in a weeks time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not without still sounding like shit. You apparently don't know what you're talking about about. By your very same metric, a beginning drummer can play 90% of ACDC "reasonably" well within a weeks time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
But you CAN play it. They will be able to even play the solo in a week. You can't play a song on drums in a week.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is the last time I will reply to you completely ignoring what I'm saying like some kind of drooling moron. One more time slowly so your room temp drummer IQ brain can understand.
Within a week, a guitar player can play smells like teen spirit, but it will sound like shit.
Within a week, a drummer could play a basic song, like something from ACDC or White Stripes, but it will sound like shit.
Is that in plain enough English? Be sure to wipe the fricking semen out of your eyes before you try to sound out the words.
I play fingerstyle lol. But on electric guitar with distortion you can cover up your slop. Why do you think electric primary players love pedals so much. They can start on some steel string acoustic after a year on electric and that will develop more feeling and their fingers will be strong enough to begin by then especially if you start them on .8s and move to .11s by then. Acoustic makes you truly naked, especially steel string. Nylon is a lot more buttery and the mid heavy eq of it can cover up some of the high string slop that steels don't.
You can cover up some shit but you make other things worse. I used to think distortion was "cheating" when I first started so I played clean all the time to hone my technique even though I wanted to play rock and metal. Then one day I put on distortion and realized my muting technique was shit and all the unplayed string were ringing out constantly. Distortion hides some bad techniques but clean playing hides other bad techniques.
Guitar has a very large learning curve. You have to be dedicated. The skill floor is not low no matter how many times these fricking drummers want to spout bullshit. You can get better quickly but it takes a lot of dedication.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Within a week, a drummer could play a basic song, like something from ACDC or White Stripes, but it will sound like shit.
You can't though.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I guess there's still semen in his eyes and probably brain parasites from too much unprotected pozzed drummer sessions
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lol yes they could. Seven Nation Army is easy peasy for a beginner.
Neither drums or guitar is 'harder' or 'more sophisticated' than the other. They're different skill sets.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think his argument is that you can't play it perfectly flawless like a drum god in one week but he won't apply the same standards to a guitarist claiming that some beginner slopping over powerchords is somehow proof that guitar is easier. He broke off too many drumsticks in his ass and now his brain is leaking out of his ears.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can’t even play singles properly. Hitting a drum is an extremely complicated mechanical movement and it’s extremely difficult to do it consistently. You’re out of your element here, dude.
You probably can’t even make a simple 4 on the floor beat sound good. You’re no Harvey mason and you definitely ain’t no Bernard purdie. Those guys play simple grooves and they make them sound musical, you, on the other hand, are banging on pots and pans
Two drummers can play the exact same beat musically on the same drum kit and sound COMPLETELY different because one is more technically proficient
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can’t even play a single note properly. Fretting a string is an extremely complicated mechanical movement and it’s extremely difficult to do it consistently. You’re out of your element here, dude.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no u
Not an argument homosexual. I play both and im a better guitar player than a drummer, there’s a steeper learning curve for basic acoustic drums. Usually the more simple something sounds the more complicated it is
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I remember I played sax in hs band and I was talking shit about just the snare and the percussion section laughed because sax is one of the easiest band instruments. Mechanically guitar is pretty easy. I mean the thing has frets and all you have to do is pluck it. Try learning violin. It's the tuning that makes guitar difficult to learn.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Mechanically guitar is pretty easy
lmao yeah if all you want to do is be able to play campfire songs on an acoustic. if you want to do more advanced techniques like economy picking or alternate picking, sweeps, arpeggios, tapping interspersed between running through scales like the fricking satch, then nah it's pretty difficult to master, or even understand the mechanics of these things, without some amount of formal training.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Lol arpeggios and sweep picking are just chords with individually picked notes and alternate picking is just what everybody does. Now when you get to chickin picking ring me up
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fingering a sweep is hard because when the note is played that finger needs to be moving to its next place. It’s definitely not easy. Regular arpeggiated picking is what you said
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You just use the same muscle memory as chords because that's what you are playing. Buy chord chemistry by ted green
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well clearly you suck at both because I'm an advanced guitarist and there absolutely unequivocally IS an enormous amount of nuance to properly playing even the simplest things on the guitar and an advanced player can hear the difference. I'm not even trying to say drums don't require a lot of nuance. I'm not dumb enough to claim one is harder to master than the other. That's YOUR mistake. You're just too fricking stupid to understand that you apparently overestimate your own playing and don't realize you've probably got a lot of work to be done before you can play a slow smooth line without instantly alerting everyone that you're not an expert. Any sentence you can type out detailing the extremely subtle skills needed to play drums properly can literally be reworded to apply guitar. That's the point I am trying to make. Get back to practicing until you actually understand that.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why don't you guys compare two original songs on acoustic guitar on vocaroo
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You sound like a fricking loser lmao. Go jam out to wonderwall at a college party
Why don't you guys compare two original songs on acoustic guitar on vocaroo
If he posts and he’s good I’ll post. If he’s trash im not posting. I wasn’t the dude that started arguing with him but boy he sure is a homosexual
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm going to guess that guy just makes power chord metal in a daw and can't sing to whatever he makes up either
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You hang around with idiots.
A good blues player will know theory. A good Jazz guitarist will know more than you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's why i said drums are the hardest "rock" instrument at the start. Because the skill floor is the highest to actually play with people. You can be playing all the small things on guitar in less than one month easily on guitar. Not drums.
>bought a guitar interface and studio monitors four years ago to start making songs with my guitar >never decided what DAW to buy so I never actually use them
I hate analysis paralysis
I made some solid quality metal few years ago with fruity loops. You can use any daw tbh as long as you understand the music you're trying to make. It's just a matter of workflow and interface preferece.
I just started playing guitar I think I’d like to release at least like a cool dsbm ep at some point but I have a long way to go before I’m any good at guitar
BASED
whats your style dude
just pick something and start doing it everyday
I play guitar in drop A so sludgy doom riffs. Working on jazz comping and sight reading drum music
Soultones...nice sound to them...reminds me of Nick Menza drum videos (RIP)
I knew nick. We built my drums together, he was based. He also bought me in n out and I went to one of his band practices. He gave me a bunch mf merch from the rust/countdown era but I lost it all in a move. Autographed tour pamphlets and shit, really cool stuff.
Nick was a terrific drummer, and by all accounts a wonderful person. That's an awesome story, sorry to hear that you lost the merch while moving.
>muh wonderful person
shut up and stop namegayging a literalwho, I don't care about you shilling "muh wonderful person" over and over and over.
its fricking annoying and benefits nobody
I've dealt with many shit people and morons will still go "muh wonderful person" when they're circlejerking each other hand on dick.
I can't even fricking participate in what interests me anymore cause of moronic website administration and their circlejerk cabal.
so sick of people saying the "I knew literalwho and he was like.. a wonderful heckin person and skilled xyz" like shut the frick up you aren't at his funeral or some gay shit we don't need to know that.
He was a solid dude but he was a drug addict; I don’t think he ever kicked meth. Especially living in studio city LA where I’m sure speed is super easy to find. But we bullshitted a lot, he was good to me so I have nothing but love for true guy.
I know his wife left him for some gay she met on WoW so I’m sure he wasn’t the greatest of men. He was a good fricking drummer, forearms lime I’ve never seen on another human especially a short guy and he bought me in n out.
I think he was just super happy that somebody looked up to him as an actual rock star instead of a washed up hasbeen. This was in 2007 so I was like 18 at the time and had been listening to megadeth since I was little so I was over the moon about it.
Dude you are insufferable. We weren’t even talking to you. Go cry some more about not being g herbie Hanwiener after taking a 30 minute YouTube lesson
"go cry more about not being literalwho"
your the one crying over a drug addict but claiming he was "muh solid and wonderful guy", maybe you should look at yourself and fricking realize why I'm insufferable in the first place when people have been treating me like shit for 5+ years at this point no matter the context or space, I don't even fricking want to bother.
That sounds like a great experience, full bragging rights anon.
Shame he was hitting the pipe, probably trying to replicate that adrenalised buzz of playing arenas. I wonder how things would've been if the Megs reunion worked out (the Menza/Friedman lineup was best era imo).
What's the point of having multiple guitars?
Isn’t one acoustic and one electric enough
Realistically four electrics and two acoustics is “enough”. Different gauge strings, different tunings, different tones
Not really. With acoustic you need one classical or flamenco, one parlour or 00, one dreadnought. On electric you need at least a telecaster and a superstrat like charvel.
frick man, I'll stick to electrics. I don't want to end up spending a lot on a single type of instrument while I can learn multiple with less money. Nta btw
Electric is fine but a trap people fall into is hiding behind effects pedals and distortion and never developing tightness and feel that acoustic forces you to get. Steel strings are also much harder to play well when it comes to barring. Nylon feels a lot like electric strings but the cool thing is how much space between the strings there is, it's a great instrument for learning more and more chords on.
I'm one of the bass players itt and want to get a guitar but it looks like a rabbit hole I'm not ready to fall into.
I fully agree with the pedal argment and it's one of the reasons I am tempted by electrics so much, mainly becasue I can emulate them on the pc via plug ins or w/e, which I cannot do with acoustcs. I also cannot tell the differences between the types of guitars so I think I will buy the "wrong one". I'd rather just buy a cheap strat and learn technique before looking into more specific things (which I won't because I enjoy playing bass A LOT).
I'll probably go for a piano idk
>I think I will buy the "wrong one"
buy a stratocaster that has a humbucker at the bridge (pick-up configuration of the red guitar in
). This will have you covered in 90% of cases. You'll have both single coils for the twangy and funky shit like country and indie pop music and the humbucker at the bridge is what will do the job if you want to play metal and rock someday and chug on the guitar.
You won't get as much variety in any other configuration tbh so a strat with a humbucker is by far the savest way to go if you've got no clue what you want. Squier ones are dirt cheap and really good quality.
After that you should get a hang of things a little more and know if you need something specific or more frets, but you can't go "wrong" with a humbucker strat as your first. But make sure it has a humbucker, not three single coils, that limits you quite a lot again.
t. own dozens of guitars and been playing for 19 years
The "wrong" was referring to the acoustics and the different types of them that keeps me away from bothering with them. I am a little familiar with electrics and I admit I already am split between getting a cheap strat with the specs you gave (HSS/HS) but I was looking into starting out with more frets. I think this is not a good starting point especially since I have big hands
I am not very confident in getting a used bc I won't be able to tell how it has been taken care of. I have to admit I have been looking at the HB and Eastcoast since they have configurations I am looking for for docent price. I guess I'll have to keep a closer eye on used guitars or wait for any deals on any of the stores around here.
Thank you chaps
okay homie, then get an Ibanez GIO with 24 frets and hh or ssh if you're already familiar with them.
If you still need anything else you're just kidding yourself. Don't buy HB and don't buy used unless you can inspect and play it once. If you know what a well-maintained bass is the same applies for guitars, they're not different at all.
>I am not very confident in getting a used bc I won't be able to tell how it has been taken care of.
I get what you mean, I don't buy used shit for the same reason no matter how much my dad and my friends insist I'm just paranoid. But I think if you've ever bought a bass second hand a guitar shouldn't be that different.
I bought a used bass and was forced to turn it into a project bass bc the room was dim and did not do a thorough inspection.
I wasn't being dismissive anon. I do appreciate what you said and will take it into consideration when I decide to buy one. I meant I am familiar with the basic terminology and stuff. I know frick all when it comes to everything else. I meant to say that my only requirement was getting one with 24 frets but wanted to ask you if you think it's a good idea for a bass player to go to 24 instead of going for a versatile one like the strat. Just came back from word, pardon my incoherence
>wanted to ask you if you think it's a good idea for a bass player to go to 24 instead of going for a versatile one like the strat
covers everything. but honestly, 24 frets are a meme. Most rock songs used stuff like Gibson and Fenders which are 22 at best and you can bend the 22nd fret up to sound like a 24th if you really need that double octave. Very few use cases, but it sure can't hurt to have those 24 just in case. I get where you're coming from. But again, you won't find a much better instrument than
to start out and cover just about any aspect a guitar can cover. Only thing you'll miss is a neck humbucker, but only real pros would be able to tell the difference between a neck humbucker and two middle single coils anyways.
You c**ts should ask thomann a commission bc I'm about to pull the trigger. It's pretty much what I have been looking for and quite possibly the most convincing shilling I have seen. Thanks for the input too!
both are me kek. I just know my stuff and that guitar is truly the best starter shitter you can get new.
You should still ask for a commission. You're a good man, guitargay. I'l spare you when the day of the raking comes (sry can't come up with a good pun)
just make sure you remove that god-awful tremolo or say goodbye to having much fun on a guitar you won't have to re-tune every half hour. If you want to get into tremolo you need to spend much much more.
I come here with a very annoying question: I've noticed on myself and some students that the volume knob being this close to the strings interferes with the picking hand when you're doing something on the high E string. Ever noticed anything like it? I learned on a guitar with a volume knob like that and the moment I got a LP shaped guitar my mind was blown by how easy it was to play for that specific reason.
To the guy who wants to buy it: it looks great, don't worry about this it's mostly a schizo theory
Bro, almost any guitar is fine. The things are 85% built by auto cutting machines nowadays. Just test every fret on every strong and make sure there's not excessive fret buzz. Make sure the open string and the 12th fret are the same note one octave apart. Make sure the strings aren't absurdly high off the fret board (no more than a fifth of an inch or so). That's all. You can play any type of music with any guitar. There are dudes playing convincing metal with telecasters. There's dudes playing country with hellraiser schecters. The Stratocaster is probably the most universal thing and if you want to play heavy stuff try to get a humbucker but those things aren't even really that terribly important. Building the skills is 90% of the tone. Geargays are obsessed over the dumbest shit. I found a perfectly good strat at the pawn shop for 40 dollars last year and it's 100% playable with no real problems. That's a really really good deal, but the point is you DONT need to spend 200 dollars if you don't want. Expect to spend around 100 for something decent but sometimes you can find them for less.
>Make sure the open string and the 12th fret are the same note one octave apart
Bro, I have been playng bass for almost 2 years and I only learned how to do that a few weeks ago. I felt like an absolute moron having to read a book about maths to understand and be able to tell the difference.
The rest of the post is exactly what I needed to be told. I felt relieved I was not talked down by another guitargay about tonewood gear quality or whatever. 10/10 post.
I like you man, I wish you the best
Yea, tremolo is out of the question until technique reached a level I am confident I can add it to my playing
>only real pros would be able to tell the difference between a neck humbucker and two middle single coils anyways.
Is that a bad thing though? It's more versatile because you can use the neck single coil for clean stuff.
My guitar has 2 active humbuckers so I admittedly have no practical experience with this.
>muh herpderper
Shut up n play yer guitar. Simple as.
humbuckers sound really fat, that's why they're so prevalent on those chugging machines and commonly used at the bridge to make up for the thinner tone the string create down there while retaining the clanky sound that caused those brutal chugs.
Single coils sound thin as frick, which is very good for funk and shit like for example here: youtu.be/nmbsW1JbQXo?t=7
In an ideal world you'll get a guitar like a PRS that can simply split the coils and transform humbuckers into singles and then you'll truly have a guitar that covers not 99% but 100% of possible applications, but you won't find something like that on a budget that quickly.
>I've noticed on myself and some students that the volume knob being this close to the strings interferes with the picking hand when you're doing something on the high E string
Yeah, that's a Strat thing. You either get used to it and somehow find a way to position your hand in a way that doesn't touch it when you play close to the bridge or you simply never play further down than the middle pick-up which is what most strat players do anyhow since the bridge single coil sounds like shit and might as well not exist, the chick with the blonde hair did it right in my opinion kek: youtu.be/Y9UdrctkzbQ?t=1136
Here, this thing is by far the best bang for your buck if you're a starter and even beats HB prices. It covers 99% of any type of music you should ever want to try. I'd suggest removing the tremolo, though. Those are pieces of shit on just about any guitar that's less than four figures and a beginner has no use for tremolo technique in the first place, that's advanced stuff.
>The "wrong" was referring to the acoustics and the different types of them that keeps me away from bothering with them
Just get a concert then.
What this anon said
Now as for the price, I wouldn't recommend going below 350 euros, possibly get one second hand. I've seen reviewers praise cheap guitars like harley bentons nowadays but I have one as a backup guitar and it plays and sounds like ass.
When did you buy yours?
I’ve bought 2 in the last two years and they’re both pretty spectacular. Especially the dreadnought.
the thing is if you learn acoustic you can also play electric but not vice versa
acoustic is a hard beast to tame but imo you don't want to be the guy that can play electric but not acoustic
You got me there, frick. I still don't want to get the "wrong guitar" only to end up wanting to buy a new one or trade the old one in. Unless I can find one that is versatile enough with skill carry-over I'll probably stick to bass and piano
Depends on what you play, but generally one of each is doable. Some people like having different guitars set-up differently and they do have different tones, but ultimately its much more about the player than the instrument.
I learned how to play time by Pink Floyd today
Damn those David gilmour bends are fricking tough
use 08 strings bro
NTA but I use 10's for standard tuning, I hate loose spaghetti setups
I'm 100% on the opposite side, mostly because my first teacher was a Malmsteen fan and taught me the donut man's ways
Yeah, but it's a good finger workout. His solos just get more fun as you go along. And they're not super technically difficult, but a good showcase for how you can use pentatonics and not sound boring.
I guitarmog you
https://voca.ro/13ZklUnowmhb
So much money spent just to play an inferior version of the TopGear theme...
>*bassmogs you*
https://vocaroo.com/1lRwsL827t0T
>six string bass
Who molested you when you were a kid?
>Who molested you when you were a kid?
Life
https://vocaroo.com/18mbI7OQIp2O
what a pretentious and expected answer. 100% guitarst who couldn't cut it and switched to bass.
Post more recordings
nah, 1000% bassist who bought guitars for funsies, I like being in demand
https://vocaroo.com/1nmBeQtLDMtP
>trips
well frick me I can't wiggle my way out of this one. I still think you're a pretentious homosexual and not only because I suck at my instruments
Well, his recordings me be filled with pretentious suppressed homosexuality but you are the typical flashy tryhard guitar player. You are bad
>I still think you're a pretentious homosexual
if it cheers you up, you're likely to mogg my manlet ass irl so chin-up princess
https://vocaroo.com/1hU6eGzdDOXP
>if it cheers you up, you're likely to mogg my manlet ass irl so chin-up princess
it doesnt because I don't like being on the taller side. I also have a lot of respect towards "manlets" with your attitude. You may be short but definitely not a manlet fren.
That vocaroo gave me a good laugh, keep 'em coming
>keep 'em coming
https://vocaroo.com/1i5Jum8BEbgS
ok, the sound is a little muddy but i'm curious what are you using to record and mix stuff. Good stuff but I'd like some more audible janny defecation
post your guitar solo
https://voca.ro/1epn7MMLMmn7
I don't play guitar
>wasted
PRS Chads rise up
https://voca.ro/17SxzbL8oBXs
Prs is for söyboys
PRS is based af
Fender and Gretsch are absolute Onionsöycore
My butt is fartin' (fartin')
Why can't i pooooooo?
A little ploppin (ploppin)
It's gonna flush its way to you
YOU CAN'T STOP THE BLOOD
FROM RUNNIN
This is why I built my own guitars
actually, scratch that. I see that's an SE, lmao. Maybe the amount of money you spent was just about right.
Hell yeah. Here's my shitty little "production studio"
replace the chair with something better quality and it'll be max comfy.
I think I have that same guitar in black. Hate it.
how come anon?
>randomly bought an 8 string guitar
You got what you paid for buddy
i regret not playing electric guitar when i was younger and instead picking drums
Drums are great and all but nothing in comparison to shredding
Look at the bright side, drummers are always needed
post:
>your instrument
>your favourite lift
bass, pull ups
drums are fricking cool tho
guitar
SKKULLLLLL
CCCRRUUSSSSHHHEEERRRR
I have one of these bad boys but I love all my guitars and basses God bless them.
Hope you didn't use the same approach for fitness tbf. If it helps I can guarantee you the following things will make you mog most "players" you can meet in everyday life
>basic music theory
>read tabs and notation
>learn how to mute the strings you're not playing
I might add more but this is more than enough
Yeah but I fricked my tendons up early on because I was playing for 10 hours a day so I kinda needed proper lessons
>notation
yeah, i'll learn that uhhhhh... tomorrow. yeah, i'll get around to it. one day. maybe next week.
Way easier than you think and you don't even have to sight read, it's like roids for music
Drums are the most IST instrument. Playing them is a workout in itself. Any fatass can strum a guitar.
UH DUDE U SOUND LIKE UR IN A CULT
not if youre playing tasty and brvtal death metal riffs
weighted dips
electric guitar
Electric guitar (still a noob)
Deadlifts
12-string acoustic
Squats
>verification not required
Guitar
Bench
Horn
Dips
the kind of person nobody ever wants to be left alone with.
Your mum sure liked being alone with me
my mom is dead but I wouldn't be surprised if a person like you is a necrophiliac on top of everything else
>instrument
Bass
>favorite lift
OHP and pull ups
my music corner
skullcrushers
Nice ESP 6 stringer anon
Piano
Squats
>guitar
>barbell clean and press
>Trumpet
>Bench Press
I play guitar and piano too but trumpet was the first instrument I ever learned.
cello
pullups
Guitar, weighted pull-ups
One day when i happen to be rich im gonna get myself a Laiho signature Greeny, should have gotten it sooner cause ever since he died those things are like 5k and up.
Drums are the most fun instrument though, they're so physical and primal
Guitar
Shrugs
You might never be that good but you can be really really really fricking good. Hell, guys who aren't good at all are in successful bands.
drums are cool bro. Guitars look cool but drumming is way more expressive imo. Also a great workout
Several times now I’ve thought I’d like to learn to play but I listen to guys like Buckethead and Stevie Ray Vaughan and think about how I’ll never be that good and change my mind.
Just because you'll never be an elite player does not mean you shouldnt do it. I'm shit at playing bass, which has a very easy learning curve but I still try to learn and I'm at a point I enjoy it. Pick an instrument and start learning. Avoid spending too much on it regardless what the IST snobs tell ya
IST bucks the trend when it comes to IST boards knowing autistically about their craft.
They know how to be music listening snobs but know very little about actually playing and making music
even outside IST, music people are like that Gatekeeping and snobbery are core traits of being someone who's identity revolves around liking a specific music genre. Metalheads are a perfect example
>Metalheads are a perfect example
True, but I find metal scratches a very specific itch that no other gnere can touch and theres lots of difference between subgenres.
Most annoying shit I find is people is the more obscure/brutal = better crowd, and some pretentious idiots who claim metal is basically jazz or classical in a vain attempt to look sophisticated.
To play devils advocate, having musical skills does not mean you have good taste, and it perfectly possible to know a large amount of good music without being able to play even one note. Same thing applies to movies and games.
>being good at music doesn't mean you have good taste
Yes, that's true. Taste is also subjective, and I would rather be a skilled musician than "have good taste"
I'm inclined to agree. Shame that IST has neither.
Trannies are of course the spearhead online, but I was more talking about leftists in general. I don't think an artist is by definition left wing, but for some reason the current right simply does not appeal to artistic types at all.
As a metalhead myself I can only agree. Some gatekeeping is healthy but it's clearly not working since black metal is now full of troons lmao
It's actually kind of impressive how they manage to infiltrate and subvert everything.
>they infiltrate and subvert
That's because the people who become trannies are autistic lonely nerds with similar brains to other posters on IST. They are us, but they got pulled in by the troon mind virus.
NTA but I thought reaching SRV levels was achievable
is he that insane?
Definitely doable technique wise but his solos are very unpredictable and his vibrato was out of this world. You can do it and even just attempting to learn one of his solos is an incredible exercise that will make you a better player no cap fr fr
did you guys learn to play guitar yourselves?
yeah, start banging power chords when I was 12
I have to because I can't afford lessons so I have to watch online lessons, practice, record myself and evaluate. It's a very slow process but I dont have many options since I'm a broke homie
Mostly. I took some lessons, but I wasn’t really open to learning scales and jazz chords at age 12.
Yes. My first song was paranoid by black sabbath. It took an afternoon to learn.
based I love gooning on my guitars after work or after a workout. These days I'm just trying to do my best Racer X's era Paul Gilbert impression
>get home from running
>play some violin
I've sounded like shit this week and I don't know why. Just cannot get the right tone on songs that I used to play easily.
Maybe your strings are just old?
Bought this two days ago, now I have the urge to get a new guitar as well..
GAS is a costly illness bro. I fell for it but I finally realised that it's better to get familiar with one tool before getting a new flashy one. You got a very solid bass there, easily one of the best for starting
I've had my guitar and bass for 15 years, so I'm due some upgrades. I tried to get the bass fixed cause the action is too moronic to play, but it was a lost cause.
It's a bit budget but it's fine for the amount I play. For a new guitar I might consider dropping a grand. If I can only find an X shape guitar without jumbo frets or a floyd rose. Seems impossible.
I wouldn't have minded it in black but I I don't care that much, I just wanted to pull the trigger when I was the store.
In your case I understand. I thought you were a beginner like me, in which case it's very bad thing to buy new gear before your experience warrants an upgrade
Yeah I'm just cheap and stubborn.
should have gotten the YamahaTRB in Mango finish instead, looks way fancier.
any guitar players in southeast texas? been looking for some ppl to play with
Steers and queers. Texas is for gays and cows. Nice state, dumbass.
>floyd rose is going randomly out of tune
I just want to play some Van Halen
I sold a nice guitar for the sole reason that it had a Floyd rose. I didn’t want a project for an instrument.
Get a better guitar with a real floyd instead of a cheap licensed knock off.
Or just don't have a whammy pedal.
I had a nice Jackson with a real Floyd. Not worth the trouble, it took me all day to switch to a heavier gauge string
, frick that noise
Or a Schaller Lockmeister.
Built to original specs.
Yeah, it's a real one. Jackson D2K. Great fun to play when it's not giving me trouble.
>get home from lifting
>play saxophone
Anything with more than 6 strings is homosexual.
I'm learning the Ironman solo and by fretting index finger middle phalanx hurts for days after holding the barre chord for too long. Will it get stronger over time?
please respond
For me it's piano
look out man there's a guy about to steal your piano
Don't worry I have a spare just in case it's stolen
Looks like he got the E string on your bass too
For some reason I was very confident in my ability to change a string without checking YT. I need to get my tuner fixed. BTW do any of you play piano? I've been playing for about 6 months. I'm trying to figure out what I should be focusing on when I practice.
Give them back jamarcus
I’m not black I’m indian
Good morning sir!
this website is whites only
rude
get into midi
how the FRICK do learn music theory and improvisation and shit?
I've "played guitar" for years but all I'm really capable of is sight reading tabs and noodling
Honestly, you either have that or you don't.
Also use this at least for writing. And realize you can substitute major on the VI, major on the III, Minor on the iv. But just start in C and learn how I, IV, V, vi, ii, iii sound. And learn the 12 pop progressions.
Forgot link
https://randscullard.com/CircleOfFifths/
Start with minor pentatonic scale, learn a few licks, then put on a backing track and sound like ass for a long time until you don't. There's a million ideas on YouTube for improv. Restrict yourself to 3 notes only or something and see how expressive you can make them sound. Learn to bend. Learn good vibrato. I used to just jam with backing tracks while stoned for hours and very slowly over time, it sounded better. I still hit wrong notes to this day though because I never did intensive fretboard memorization but I'm actually doing that now with learning triads in all positions in all inversions. Soon I'll be ripping off arpeggios at will
This is somewhat true but please note that minor and major pentatonic have exactly the same shape but 3 frets apart. And substituting minor for major and vice versa is one of the tricks to both country and blues. Don't neglect learning country because it will teach you mixolydian and how to bend around 3rds.
Dude, I'm a metalhead and I can shred quite a bit and play some mean improvisation and none of what you said pertains to me. I hate country music. I know the major scale but rarely play in it. Dude wants to know how to get started in improvisation and you're throwing intermediate theory language at him about subbing chords when the dude says he just knows how to play tabs. Let him noodle in the minor pentatonic and get some enjoyment out of that to inspire him to learn more before bogging him down with intervals and dodgy advice like "you HAVE to study this genre even if you don't want to"
Metal is a cope for suburban whitoid males who are absolutely desperate for any sembalance of a masculine identity in the sterilized corporate hellscape in which they find themselves. Torn as babes at age 5 from his parents, he is forced into a state indoctrination facility and raised by a deeply unimpressive government worker as his parents go to work for a corporation and then are paid in state funny money which is being devalued constantly and forced to pay back some of this fake money to their slave-masters. The child instinctively knows there ia something deeply, deeply wrong with this situation as he is fed goybean oil chicken nuggets and corn syrup rbst milk in this state owned facility day after day. By 12 or 13 he finds metal ane begins dressing like a spooky dark clown and listening to angry music to adapt to this absolutely horror inducing existance of living from inside box to box staring at a box.
NTA but I just like metal because it's similar to classical guitar but faster. Chill out.
>power chords
>like classical
Because of harmonic minor leads oh i am laughin
Not that, you fricking goofball, I mean stuff like Jason Becker.
That impressed me when I was 15. But if you want to see some baroque understanding in terms of the actual progressions and voice leading instead of just pantomiming with harmonic minor arpegios then check this out.
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Cool oddly specific story bro. Funny how it describes zero percent of MY life though. I guarantee I can play better than you can too.
You're not some survivalist guy lmfao
Sit down
By your logic, what isn't a cope? Anything that involves acts of devotion towards such a hellscspe?
Having a trad wife, some home agriculture for a primarily whole food diet, hunting for meat and buying it from a local rancher and having chickens and/or goats, and enrolling your kids in a homeschool co-op or private montessori. Public education is inherently evil.
I do all that except for hunting and I still like heavy metal and lifting heavy weights. You need to keep your inner child somewhat alive anon, it's for the best.
And for all anons who want children: brace for the first 3 to 4 years, you'd better work on your time management skills now if you don't have them because you're gonna have to squeeze your workouts/practice like you wouldn't believe.
This applies to me as a teenager mostly but there's nothing wrong with it. Gotta cope somehow. You eventually figure shit out but in the meanwhile it's necessary to cope somehow, and through metal you might get to learn an advanced level of technique if you play an instrument, which is valuable in itself.
I mean most metal is just power chords. I don't really find it particularly impressive unless they have some particularly tasty phrasing on their single note soloing with some modal things going on and not just plain harmonic minor and pentatonic.
metal, especially black, is just reggae for white people, basically modern ethnic music. it's a genre of contrasts, unlike black music, because ytbois, we have no smooth groove like Blacks, we just go either full soft or full hard, it's actually kinda hard to understand if you're not white, that's why some people have a problem with it.
Look up any reggae song compilation on YouTube and randomly jump between points in the time. Every single guitar is EXACTLY the same part (chop chop ka-chop). The only variation will be in key and tempo
There is no such thing as more than one reggae song.
All this because he said he didn't like red neck hillbilly cowboy larp music? Kek
https://vocaroo.com/1jIi9CnWSCrf
lmao just do it man. I'm not even good but I can make a beat.
>short fingers so it's impossible to play guitar proficiently
Genetics are everything.
This thread is PEAK inceldom
t. 2 stoopid 2 lrn ny art mdm
obvious b8 but I'm married with a kid and one on the way
I just took the time to get back into playing after college, the same way I set aside time for liftan and roonin
I'm a near 30 year old kissless virgin, doesn't stop me from shredding away on my strat
>t. got cucked by some scrawny gay who could play wonderwall
filtered
Looking for some advice, what are good drills for technique and theory? I'm just doing spider walks and pinky isolation drills then trying to memorize the fretboard so I can carryover to scales later on. or should I start with scales? I'm not really motivated to learn songs now because my technique sucks.
Depends on your goals, but the advice of "play slowly until you get it right then speed it up" is always pertinent. The only exception to this rule is if you want to be a speed shredder because you eventually develop decent slow technique but you'll never become a shredder until you FORCE yourself to play fast shit even if it sucks. I got stuck in the "don't go faster until you've got it perfect" camp for years thinking I was gonna play fast stuff eventually. You never get fast until you force yourself to play fast. But if you want flawless technique at moderate speeds, you must play very slowly until you've got it perfect.
The thing that absolutely changed the game for me was a video called "The Principles of Correct Practice for Guitar". It was made by some dude who has trooned out in recent years but the old video, they're still a man. That's besides the point though because the video is fricking priceless for developing good technique. The emphasis is on elimination of ALL tension in the body and playing effortlessly. Also, practice playing SO SLOWLY that there is no tempo and it's like you're playing in super slow motion. Use this excessive time to PERFECT your finger movements as if you were a robot. Watch the video, it will make it clear. It's boring practice for sure, but if you ACTUALLY do it, you will see improvement guaranteed.
I think I found it. The guy sounds crazy specific about technique, thanks! https://youtu.be/2jmjuWWFt1k?si=34M7TQzChSqSPmcW
That's it! Follow that dude's (now a "woman" if you watch his newer content lmfao) advice and practice consistently and you ABSOLUTELY WILL get much better at guitar. It's boring for sure but you'll never struggle again once you've got that correct effortless technique down. I'm serious when I say that video was the one thing that made all the difference in my playing.
scales are super easy and always good to learn, but really you gotta just learn songs you like tbh
learning to play songs that use techniques that are new to you and/or difficult teaches you those techniques in a structured context, instead of as arbitrary finger exercises. the trick is in finding songs that are harder and harder than what you already know, and having the diligence to push yourself
So, for example, there's a song I'm learning now through tabs. It's in E minor, so I'm looking at a e minor scale diagram while practicing, and I'm trying to recognise the triads being hit in the tabs. Does that approach make any sense?
Yeah man, that's a great start.
Kind of. Is the diagram of the fretboard? Is tabs also? Do you know the notes names and frets that are in the triads? And the chords in the key?
Both of these. Scales and chord shapes are intertied. Knowing basic theory about triads and how they tie into the scale your playing will help you understand how to build a solo, but ultimately knowing theory won't make you sound good.
Practicing with that information and learning solos you like while also being mindful of the theory (chord progression, target notes, riff sequences) behind them will help you immensely.
I've played guitar for a while now
I wish rock was still cool and it was like the 90s where you could form a band with your mates and travel around the country in a dingy van
>I wish rock was still cool and it was like the 90s where you could form a band with your mates and travel around the country in a dingy van
it is and you can, it's just a different style than what was mainstream back then. bands like Peach Pit and Mom Jeans. and PUP do the van-touring thing off the strength of simple four-piece band songs (guitar, vocals, bass, drums), they're just not the same style of rock that was big back then.
The rhythms in this album are the best forearm workout you can get.
How to learn as an oldgay? I got a Washburn chilling on an Eb tune I haven't properly played yet. I think I got some high gauge slinkies on it.
you got the frickin dimebag darrell guitar and youre not gonna go beast mode on the pinch harmonics? sheit.
WEeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeWWWWWWeeeeeeeEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeWEWEWEWEeeeeEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. etc.
No need to play in Eb unless you actually know some songs in it that you want to play. If you're learning, E Standard and Drop D will take you far.
It depends more on your vocal range really
I have a short, low vocal range and tuned it specifically for BM / DM e.g. Burzum. I just don't know where to get started lol. There's also some Rush and Type O Neg to play
>Type o negative
Hello brother, I wish you luck trying to play some of those B tuning songs
nice guitar fren. can u play limp bizkit
I keep noodling in Drop D Phyringian dominat rhythm guitar
can't stop chugging
>RG8.
A peasant guitar if I ever saw one. But I respect the grind.
>/gg/ has entered the thread
not a guitargay but I wanted to try playing piano.
so I got a guide, and followed it a few pages in, probably wasted 30+ minutes or frick was it two hours?
Kept trying to do LH and RH until they sounded OK, but it just fricking sucks.
Piano posture fricking sucks, can’t rest my arms, fingers are positioned awkwardly close together, fingers feel weak and uncoordinated despite me doing stuff like typing on a keyboard fine.
Musicians are homosexuals, I don’t know how to fix weak fingers but they must spend so much time fingering someone else’s butthole that they got over muscled fingers or something.
I don’t think I’ll have a hobby other than consoom
Get some lessons Black person
I don't know why people avoid music lessons like the plague, wanna do it well quick? Pay someone and learn, it's that simple. You will have to study hard anyway but you won't be spinning your wheels.
i don't have money
plus aren't some hobbies supposed to be fricking free in the first place, I literally got a piano I never used but lord forbid if I'm trying to learn how to use it and I have to pay for this shit.
musicians are unironic cancer frick them, shitty ass "yeah just pay 120 a hour!!" type of garbage just so you have the "novelty" of playing some obscure song without fricking up.
There's a trillion free tutorials on YouTube.
You already have a keyboard, you just need to practice. Here's a free resource for your dumb ass: imslp.org
Free sheet music.
already reading this homosexual, book's concepts are fine but frick timing and frick playing with both hands, their methods of keeping timing are moronic anyway.
Lol stay scared of a metronome. Two hand abilities will come over time with practice. Unfortunately you can't just cheat with roids for piano.
I don't have a metronome in the first place homosexual.
anyway frick this "muh practic!" bullshit, how many times do I have to do it until I become not shit? Why can't you fricking answer that?
inb4
>muh cheats muh roids!
Black person, I'm not composing music, I just want to play a couple songs and be fine at them, I don't give a shit about excellence or trying to nail muh timing and muh fundamentals.
It probably takes a few months of daily practice. But once you get one or two songs, the rest start to come quicker.
How quickly it comes is directly relatable to how much focused practice you put in.
>muh few months
frick this shit why does everything take months of work
I learned how to drive fine after a few days, lost my parallel parking skills but I can regain them in a couple hours.
meanwhile musicgays keep doing the same autistic shit over and over for multiple months until they "break le barrier" just to play fricking music and not even compose it.
K, keep being shit then.
Feels good 90% of people don't have the patience for this sort of stuff unless their parentd forced them to learn it as kids.
I literally already answered why. Muscle adaptation in hands/forearms and the mind-muscle connectivity.
You don't get jacked or lean after one half-assed gym session. Most things in life are hard.
>hobbies are easy!
>nobody likes you if you don't get a hobby!
>try getting hobby
>get dragged down and poisoned by shitty advice from moronic people, book has OK advice but it still is shit in some aspects like "muh piano posture" which makes things even more uncomfortable
Unless your hobby is dull shit like stamp/funko pop collecting, some degree of skill is involved yes. What's the point of doing something if it's easy?
good to know that musicians and artists are shitty people.
had to deal with a shitty ass artgay whining over me "stalking" him by looking at his publicly viewable favourites list.
now I have to deal with shitty musicgays going "just heckin pay absurd amounts of money to git gud or else it's like heckin roiding if you don't and instead try to learn yourself!"
fricking hell, do you want more musicians in the world or not?
You are legit moronic. I told you there's unlimited free resources on YouTube and the greater internet. The only cost to getting proficient at piano is practicing consistently.
Any whining about teachers and money is coming from you. You don't need to pay anyone UNLESS YOU NEED YOUR HAND HELD. Do you need your hand held? Do you need someone to do all the work for you?
Are you really nitpicking the merits of paying somebody who knows how to do something tk teach you how to do something?
Unless you’re Richard Christy and you intend on living in a storage unit in Orlando where you practice 10 hours a day for a couple years, you have almost zero chance at getting anywhere by yourself. The learning curve is just too high, especially with drums because nothing you do when you’re a technically proficient drummer is intuitive. It all feels weird and wrong, even down to simply picking up a drum stick
The other thing aboht lessons is that it keeps you true to practicing what you’ve been given for the week or two between lessons. I’m sure you’re okay with it, but I really don’t like looking or feeling stupid and it’s very obvious if you didn’t practice in the interim between lessons.
I’d advise against the YouTube youte because you can easily pick up bad habits and it’s easier to learn good habits than unlearn bad ones. It’s hard to tell what you’re doing wrong when you’re playing but it’s easy for somebody else to watch and see the minutiae
>Unless you’re Richard Christy and you intend on living in a storage unit in Orlando where you practice 10 hours a day for a couple years
I looked into this, even storage units have gone up in price.
>Abloo bloo I want to be good but don't want to suffer
Anything impressive you must suffer and pain for it otherwise every NPC lame (you) would be good at it
that's why video games are such a popular hobby because it takes barely any effort to see and feel that dopamine hit of """success""" you should probably stick to that
All the cool actually genuinely badass hobbies like instruments, sports, gym, skateboarding etc no one gets good unless they take victory in the small wins and build over time. If you want to get good at guitar, you first pick a song or riff you want to learn, learn it, play it, enjoy it. Learn a simple solo. Learn some open chords. Then you can maybe learn one scale.
It's a long journey no one gets insanely good overnight, but you can teach even a day one beginner to play smoke on the water or something easy
>Duuhh but I could learn to drive easy
Yeah and you ain't beating a rally driver in a race. So what's your point. You can learn power chords in a day and make endless music with just that.
But end of the day you are a contrarian troll fox and grapes coper
Take lessons. Drum lessons changed everything, I had to start from the beginning after having played ffotbyesrs to undo bad habits.
You sound like a loser tbh. Don’t ever be good at anything, I don’t really care
Lol wtf are you whining about? I haven't said anything about hobbies. I've just given you some basic, general knowledge about some shit you chose for yourself.
A hobby should be something you enjoy working at. Or something passive where you don't have to put any effort in like playing cards or watching tv. Learning to read/play music from scratch is like learning a new language or learning to draw and paint with some skill, and that shit ain't easy.
>I don't have a metronome
https://www.metronomeonline.com/
I hate how people like you think.
You whine about everything you cant do and how hard it is in an age where thousands of teachers exist online for free.
>Guitar is hard
If it was easy it wouldnt be as impressive
>being fit is hard
If it was easy it wouldnt be as impressive
>Being rich is hard
you see where this is going.
Metronome apps are free. YouTube is free. Ive been playing for about two years and im better than most players because I actually practice. get started or keep sucking either way its not our problem
I’ll make your damn problem if don’t stop being mean to me
Im not trying to be mean anon. Im just trying to drive home the fact its going to be difficult at first but its well worth it.
Generally speaking most people would rather complain and not learn instead of learning. How many people have you heard say
>"Id love to get fit like you anon but I (insert excuse)
>"Yeah I used to bench (insert lie) back when I was 20, but I dont work out anymore because (insert excuse)
Usually, difficult things are worth doing. Just push through.
You don't even have $10 for an online course? Doubt it. I hope you didn't use the same approach in the gym.
Literally begin by learning the 7 chords in C and the major scale. Learn some basic pop songs like taylor swift that are 100% in C. Then learn a new key one week at a time going around the circle of fifths. So after learning the 7 chords in the key of C, learn the 7 in G then D and so on.
Lol it's called practice and reps homosexual. You have to build mind muscle connection with tiny muscles on your hands. You can't 'learn piano' in 30 minutes or a day.
You're just a b***h.
death to all "piano" teachers
who the frick is going to pay 240 a day just to learn jack shit, who has the fricking money and time for that
https://www.fretjam.com/
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
pirate guitarpro 5 or 6
you literally do not need more
My guitars. I sit there like a moron and just look at them.
Be my witness
Looking at them too. Nice.
And here’s the pedals.
>be me
>play almost everyday for 6 years
>in three bands. One starts gaining traction
>manage to book enough gigs to tour eastern Canada
>all the bros are psyched, can’t wait for summer 2020
>2020
>no more bands, no more guitar
>barely touch it for four years, get into gay shit like techno and house
>get back into lifting
>wonder if increased grip strength will make bending easy
>I’ll just jam to little wing I guess
>it starts coming back
>its still fun
Don’t let those gay e-gays tell you that shredding is lame, they can’t handle a guitar the way it was meant to be handled. Nothing like thinking of a sick line, and playing it right away. Keep it up bros, frick the haters.
You are my witness. Some rando online. You who looks at my collection of useless toys. Thank you.
straighest and gayest post at the same time. I'm in awe
“I’m not gay! I’m a deeply closeted gay man!”
Thank you. I like them
Hot take, Ibanez's Floyd knockoffs are better than the original Floyd Rose.
They’re an improved design.
honestly I never liked guitar virtuoso music
I like rhythm guitar and riffs way more than solos and noodling
I am with you on this but I like listening and watching mancuso playing ngl
I made a song book of stuff I wanna learn on piano. Stole the sheet music, printed it all and threw it in a binder. Still need to learn my scales but man I'm excited.
I'm stealing this idea fellow Frank Ocean enjoyer. Great album choice too
Kindly show your stationery collection within that pencil case if you please.
>every fitizen plays a metalgay guitar
Grim
OP here, I play an eight string for more note varity. It was the only eight string the store had. I don't play a "set" style of music.
I've wanted to make a nine string before, but I doubt I'll ever do it. It was strictly for tying bass to standard on one neck.
I literally play metal for a living
I play a 00 parlour, strat, and jazzmaster
Have a ibanez bass that was bought as a birthday gift. Love the thing, plus I have a frostgiant Massif pedal with one knob and it makes it sound heavy af!!
post pic and favorite lift NOW
I love electric as much as the next guy but do we have any acoustic or fingerstyle chads in the thread?
>any acoustic or fingerstyle chads in the thread?
of coursh
https://vocaroo.com/1oPzzDCyBO8N
I play a Yamaha SLG200N
I started learning guitar because I wanted to be the Idaho version of euronomos but I still suck
Get proper 8string guitar like Ibanez M80M, dude.
a lot of drummers here...
what are the best courses out there I can steal to learn drums?
bang on pots and pans Black person.
I promise you won’t be able to learn drums from watching videos. There’s too much technique and it’s literally your entire body that’s involved, your hands alone have a hundred things that you can be doing wrong
Drums are the hardest of the rock instruments to learn. Find a jazz teacher. And start exclusively listening to good drummers. Watch people with flawless technique like louis cole or jd beck
Or Carmine Appice and Cozy Powell
For me, it’s Benny greb and Todd sucherman.
>banging a bunch of shit is hard to learn
do Black folk really? Setting a beat isn’t hard if you can tap/drum consistently
Lol go try to play this. The consistantly is quite hard and there are so many subtle techniques to learn not just in swinging the beat or syncopation but just in physically playing a rimshot or ghost notes with good dynamics and volume control. It's 4 different limbs with ankle and wrist techniques all moving on top of the difficulty of the count being consistant and perfect on top of swinging at a different rate on every piece on the kit. Playing some fricking power chords with occasional pinch harmonics is a hell of a lot easier. And nothing sounds worse than a bad drummer.
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> check out this complex drum riff, it's way harder than doing something easy on guitar
What an enormous homosexual. Guitar has every bit as much difficulty in crafting good technique. You think a bad guitarist sounds better than a bad drummer? But then add on top of all of that the fact that the guitarist has to actually know some music theory and AT LEAST study patterns in depth. Drummer literally doesn't have to do an ounce of intellectual work. BANG BANG IS HARD GUIZ
Hahahaha a guitarist who knows music theory let me search for a unicorn and leprechauns gold
Guess you hang around idiots and homosexuals no surprise
Almost no guitarists know any music theory whatsoever. Mostly because the guitar is a dumb shitty instrument for learning music theory due to the matrix system and tuning in 4ths with 1 third. There are 72 positions of the 12 notes to memorize before the pattern repeats. On a piano there are 12. The wholes are white and flats/sharps are black. You can see visueally with your eyes that there is no such thing as E#/Fb. You can count out notes to add in a 7 or 9 by following the scale pattern easily. This is why guitarists generally don't know anything and all play the fricking minor pentatonic and power chords and you are lucky if they can even play a c shaped or g shaped barre chord let alone know any of their 9th chords or half diminished or 13s or even any sus chords besides d2/4. They do not know how to write anything modal. They maybe MAYBE just learn enough about modes to single note solo (over power chords) in lydian, phrygian, mixolydian- if you're lucky. But normally all yoh ever hear out of a guitarist is minor pentatonic and harmonic minor.
Have you heard of miles dimitri baker ? He knows theory .
I just listened to 30 seconds. It was power chords and harmonic minor riffs.
So your argument then is "drums are harder because they're easier"
And if you're not the guy I was replying to, then you're just arguing a point I never made.
I play both. Just trust me bro, drums are harder. The skill floor is much much much higher. It is more vital to the group to have a good drummer than a good guitarist. For example, tools guitarist isn't good at all. Bad drumming ruins a song but a bad guitarist can just play power chords and it's fine. A great guitarist with a shitty drummer is unlistenable and it ruins the music.
The skill floor is higher? The frick are you talking about? I could play ACDC drums within literally a day of fricking with drums. It took weeks to be able to move chords without sounding like absolute scratchy noisy ass on guitar. Just because you're projecting your weak guitar playing power chord shit on me doesn't mean you're right. I can play plenty of complex things on guitar very fluently. Drums and guitar have their own challenges when it comes to technique, but my point still stands that guitar is actually a MUSICAL instrument that, if you're going to get good at it, requires you learn some music theory. Actual thinking work. Drums don't require thinking. Only repetition. It just so happens that guitar is more popular and affordable so there are tons of unmotivated morons who pick up guitar and dilute the player pool with bad skills and knowledge. The barrier to entry for getting into drums requires someone more dedicated and thus you tend to have a higher percentage of drum players who are competent. However, place a high level drummer against and high level guitarist and control for variables, and the guitarist has done more work because he KNOWS MUSIC.
Lol try it. Acdcs drums are deceptive because he swings the beats on almost every song.
>You can't play good because you can't do that thing that is so subtle that you've been deceived into thinking it didn't actually happen! Checkmate
I bet your powerchords would sound like shit to my elite trained ear
Lmao you have such poor rhythm that you don't notice a swing? Just attempt to learn drums. My first guitar song was paranoid by sabbath and I learned it in an afternoon at 14. I don't play power chord music anymore.
YOU'RE the one who said it was deceptive. Playing a basic swing on drums isn't fricking hard dude.
Dude you're so full of shit. You can play all the small things on drums EASILY within less than one month. You're comparing easy guitar shit to intermediate drum shit. NOBODY is playing guitar in any way "good" in less than a month. They can fumble around some powerchords and make a lot of nasty noise, and sound like an amateur garage band sure, but so can a fricking beginner drummer. A beginner drummer will always sound better than a beginner guitarist because it's just fricking easier. Hihat 8th notes, bass quarter notes, snare half notes. It's simply not fricking hard. Sure they may not be able to do a fricking swing amd every beat may not be on point because they're a fricking beginner but you're going to argue that the beginner guitarist doesn't sound like straight fricking unlistenable garbage? The drummer for the white stripes had literally ZERO experience with the drums when they decided to make a band. It wasn't technical. It wasn't swing. But it was good enough to become world renowned. You have to have SEVERAL months of practice on guitar before you can even begin to entertain the idea of being part of a band that isn't nails on chalkboard.
Kek try it out. You won't even be able to play the rolls
>he can’t even play a 5 stroke roll
Lmao. Dunning Kruger at its finest. You might be able to “play” all the small things but trust me, everybody can tell you’ve been playing for a month. Dynamically it’s a nightmare and nothing is intuitive about playing drums. You hit a ceiling really quickly where you simply aren’t going to get better without training
Meanwhile, turn on distortion and learn to play a power chord and palm mute and instantly you can play most punk and pop punk which is all on beat down strokes. I could teach somebody how to play all the small things in a day on guitar. After a month of that start teaching the open chords in the keys of C, G, then D and let them loose to learn to strum some folk and country with those. After a month of that you can start on the A shape pentatonic and then just teach the other 4 positions, a week each. Then move on to upward and reverse bends, vibrato, and phrasing and have them play to backing tracks in the 5 positions for another month. Then move on to the major scale and start teaching theory and how chords are built and go back to the folk songs and start ear training on the chord changes and write a few songs of their own in root position and with power chords and experiment. Then move on to 7ths, octaves, and barring. Then caged. Then the minor scales.
You can keep shoving coins in a coin sorter but it doesn't mean it isn't going to get jammed. Teaching skills to a guitar player does not translate to them sounding good. There's an infinite level of subtle nuance to the proper way to fret a string and mute the other strings and maintain minimal tension in the body that translates to sounding good. I don't care if you can play Neapolitan chords in a fancy cadence. If your technique is sub-year one, you're going to sound like shit. Why do you think the phrase "tone is 90% in the fingers" is a thing? It takes an enormous amount of time and dedication to play even the simplest things and not show the earmarks of amateur technique.
I play fingerstyle lol. But on electric guitar with distortion you can cover up your slop. Why do you think electric primary players love pedals so much. They can start on some steel string acoustic after a year on electric and that will develop more feeling and their fingers will be strong enough to begin by then especially if you start them on .8s and move to .11s by then. Acoustic makes you truly naked, especially steel string. Nylon is a lot more buttery and the mid heavy eq of it can cover up some of the high string slop that steels don't.
>on electric guitar with distortion you can cover up your slop
Absolutely moronic take, by far the most low IQ thing I've ever read. It is true pedalgays hide their mistakes any way they can be it noise gat reverbs or other homosexualry, true guitar players know how to mute their shit and handle heavy distortion with no cheap tricks. Have some goddamn respect for each instrument homosexual.
That being said I'll come clean and say I can't play fingerstyle acoustic for shit, anything beyond travis picking is black magic to me.
Ok? How does that prove my point wrong? God damn you keep trying to point to the fact that a beginner can't play intermediate skills as some kind of argument here. All I'm trying to say is a beginner drummer sounds less like broken glass than a beginner guitarist does. Which is basic fact. And an advanced guitarist has had to learn more skills to master his instrument than an advanced drummer. You telling me that I, as a beginner drummer, cannot do fancy shit means absolutely nothing in this.
A beginner drummer can't even hold a beat for 60 seconds. He can't play a roll for 10 seconds. You have no idea what you're talking about. A beginning guitarist can reasonably play smells like teen spirit in a weeks time.
Not without still sounding like shit. You apparently don't know what you're talking about about. By your very same metric, a beginning drummer can play 90% of ACDC "reasonably" well within a weeks time.
But you CAN play it. They will be able to even play the solo in a week. You can't play a song on drums in a week.
This is the last time I will reply to you completely ignoring what I'm saying like some kind of drooling moron. One more time slowly so your room temp drummer IQ brain can understand.
Within a week, a guitar player can play smells like teen spirit, but it will sound like shit.
Within a week, a drummer could play a basic song, like something from ACDC or White Stripes, but it will sound like shit.
Is that in plain enough English? Be sure to wipe the fricking semen out of your eyes before you try to sound out the words.
You can cover up some shit but you make other things worse. I used to think distortion was "cheating" when I first started so I played clean all the time to hone my technique even though I wanted to play rock and metal. Then one day I put on distortion and realized my muting technique was shit and all the unplayed string were ringing out constantly. Distortion hides some bad techniques but clean playing hides other bad techniques.
Guitar has a very large learning curve. You have to be dedicated. The skill floor is not low no matter how many times these fricking drummers want to spout bullshit. You can get better quickly but it takes a lot of dedication.
>Within a week, a drummer could play a basic song, like something from ACDC or White Stripes, but it will sound like shit.
You can't though.
I guess there's still semen in his eyes and probably brain parasites from too much unprotected pozzed drummer sessions
Lol yes they could. Seven Nation Army is easy peasy for a beginner.
Neither drums or guitar is 'harder' or 'more sophisticated' than the other. They're different skill sets.
I think his argument is that you can't play it perfectly flawless like a drum god in one week but he won't apply the same standards to a guitarist claiming that some beginner slopping over powerchords is somehow proof that guitar is easier. He broke off too many drumsticks in his ass and now his brain is leaking out of his ears.
You can’t even play singles properly. Hitting a drum is an extremely complicated mechanical movement and it’s extremely difficult to do it consistently. You’re out of your element here, dude.
You probably can’t even make a simple 4 on the floor beat sound good. You’re no Harvey mason and you definitely ain’t no Bernard purdie. Those guys play simple grooves and they make them sound musical, you, on the other hand, are banging on pots and pans
Two drummers can play the exact same beat musically on the same drum kit and sound COMPLETELY different because one is more technically proficient
You can’t even play a single note properly. Fretting a string is an extremely complicated mechanical movement and it’s extremely difficult to do it consistently. You’re out of your element here, dude.
>no u
Not an argument homosexual. I play both and im a better guitar player than a drummer, there’s a steeper learning curve for basic acoustic drums. Usually the more simple something sounds the more complicated it is
I remember I played sax in hs band and I was talking shit about just the snare and the percussion section laughed because sax is one of the easiest band instruments. Mechanically guitar is pretty easy. I mean the thing has frets and all you have to do is pluck it. Try learning violin. It's the tuning that makes guitar difficult to learn.
>Mechanically guitar is pretty easy
lmao yeah if all you want to do is be able to play campfire songs on an acoustic. if you want to do more advanced techniques like economy picking or alternate picking, sweeps, arpeggios, tapping interspersed between running through scales like the fricking satch, then nah it's pretty difficult to master, or even understand the mechanics of these things, without some amount of formal training.
Lol arpeggios and sweep picking are just chords with individually picked notes and alternate picking is just what everybody does. Now when you get to chickin picking ring me up
Fingering a sweep is hard because when the note is played that finger needs to be moving to its next place. It’s definitely not easy. Regular arpeggiated picking is what you said
You just use the same muscle memory as chords because that's what you are playing. Buy chord chemistry by ted green
Well clearly you suck at both because I'm an advanced guitarist and there absolutely unequivocally IS an enormous amount of nuance to properly playing even the simplest things on the guitar and an advanced player can hear the difference. I'm not even trying to say drums don't require a lot of nuance. I'm not dumb enough to claim one is harder to master than the other. That's YOUR mistake. You're just too fricking stupid to understand that you apparently overestimate your own playing and don't realize you've probably got a lot of work to be done before you can play a slow smooth line without instantly alerting everyone that you're not an expert. Any sentence you can type out detailing the extremely subtle skills needed to play drums properly can literally be reworded to apply guitar. That's the point I am trying to make. Get back to practicing until you actually understand that.
Why don't you guys compare two original songs on acoustic guitar on vocaroo
You sound like a fricking loser lmao. Go jam out to wonderwall at a college party
If he posts and he’s good I’ll post. If he’s trash im not posting. I wasn’t the dude that started arguing with him but boy he sure is a homosexual
I'm going to guess that guy just makes power chord metal in a daw and can't sing to whatever he makes up either
You hang around with idiots.
A good blues player will know theory. A good Jazz guitarist will know more than you.
That's why i said drums are the hardest "rock" instrument at the start. Because the skill floor is the highest to actually play with people. You can be playing all the small things on guitar in less than one month easily on guitar. Not drums.
just start with basic rudiments. sticks and a pad is all you need. I recommend ted reeds 'syncopation for the modern drummer' to all beginners.
drumeo is cheap, homie
>bought a guitar interface and studio monitors four years ago to start making songs with my guitar
>never decided what DAW to buy so I never actually use them
I hate analysis paralysis
Just get protools. It's $10/mo. Most of the others are more for midi shit than real instruments.
I made some solid quality metal few years ago with fruity loops. You can use any daw tbh as long as you understand the music you're trying to make. It's just a matter of workflow and interface preferece.
I just started playing guitar I think I’d like to release at least like a cool dsbm ep at some point but I have a long way to go before I’m any good at guitar
hey that was the first 8 string i got as well 😀
very thin neck on that fricker
I've been playing for 20 years