I'm trying carnivore and not really losing fat, seem to be gaining it. When I was eating a paleo diet but still a lot of carbs, fasting for 24 hours once or twice a week would melt fat off. Now I’m doing OMAD, but still putting down 3000+ calories in that meal and gaining weight? Still haven’t gotten a full handle on my hunger cues...... just don’t feel hungry on ketosis. The other day I ate to satiety and it was 6000 calories (seemed a bit ridiculous, but most days I’m somewhere between 2500 and 3000). I’m 27, male, constantly moving throughout the day and weight lifting heavy two to three times a week. So what the frick am i doing wrong?
idk but you deserve whatever happens to you for practicing unnatural, moron diets
>unnatural
You realize none of your Le Vegetables existed a thousand years ago?
agriculture was invented 12,000 years ago and before then women and children would forage for fruits and veggies you fat moron.
12,000 years isn't a long time
it also doesn't mean it's optimal, only that it's easier
>fruits and veggies
fruits and maybe tubers. nobody ate green leaves
The elephant in the room is the agricultural diet we eat today isn't even remotely similar to what we ate 12,000 years ago. We're eating frankenfood genetically modified to be sweeter, grow in worse soil (thus less nutrition per pound), etc. Back then everyone would've been eating "raw" and local whereas today you'd have to quite rich to do the same.
Yes for example all bread used to be fermented (sourdough) which lowers the amount of carbs. This was the case until very recent history. Commercial yeast started being used in the 1900s to churn out more bread faster. Granulated dried yeast was invented in WW2 and then instant yeast was invented in 1973. Modern yeast works so fast you don't have to ferment the dough.
Go to modern bread today and they're using sawdust and corn syrup for filler.
This. All you need to do is try out proper corn from outside the US, say latin america. If you think anything you eat today is not 90% engineered to be palatable instead of healthy you are a complete moron.
>entire tribe gets poisoned and dies
most were probably smart enough to not eat random leaves or mushrooms that some weirdo picked out of the forest. when meat and fat are plentiful why would you? personally when i get enough meat and animal fat i have little appetite for anything else
That’s my point idiot. No reason to eat leaves and grass and shit when you can just kill a large animal and feed your tribe for weeks
>lemme just try every meme diet on the planet
>what the frick am i doing wrong?
Hmmm....
You realize none of Le Animals you eat existed thousands of years ago? Cows are domesticated aurochs (which are extinct now, in case you didn't get the memo). Chickens are absolute monstrosities compared to their wild ancestors. Pigs were domesticated from wild boars around the same time as aurochs -> cows.
>eat 6000 calories
>why am I not losing weight???
is this the definitive proof keto is a mental disorder?
it's what happens when you follow diets from the resident fatasses of IST and not accredited nutritionists
>accredited nutritionists
Yeah, they're never wrong!
>oh no is that a healthy diet? AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Food pyramid hasn't been used in over a decade.
moron
What exactly is wrong with the food pyramid? Here is a mockup of what it would actually look like. A serving of whole grains isn't that much.
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Nothing is wrong with it
It's just almost no one actually follows the guidelines.
They've done plenty of studies over the decades and almost no one actually follows it.
Yet it's become the new boogeyman of people who follow fad diets for explaining why everyone is so unhealthy.
Even though almost no one eats or has eaten like it for decades.
the food pyramid is proven to be no better than a junk food standard american diet in clinical trials. you are a moron israelite or both
Holy shit you're so stupid
No one is taking away your blood sugar spikes anon.
This app (chronometer) is the app used by vegans.
Therefore proving that this thread is a vegan shill thread.
>eating feed for cows because the government says so
this homie is eating 5 saltines and 3 slices of bread for breakfast lmao
>wow they changed their recommendations based on older bad science after newer, better science was demonstrated!
Fricking moron, you deserve to be grifted
They knew it was wrong at the time though. The 22 nation study alone disproved the conclusion they reached
The best part it came from the time where they were in denial about the connection between cigarettes and heart disease.
One study alone does not ever prove anything in science, anon.
Nutritional "Science" lmao.
> IST moron.
google "Minnesota Coronary Experiment"
"Where we, the USDA nutritionists, called for a base of 5-9 servings of fresh fruits and vegetables a day, it was replaced with a paltry 2-3 servings (changed to 5-7 servings a couple of years later because an anti-cancer campaign by another government agency, the National Cancer Institute, forced the USDA to adopt the higher standard). Our recommendation of 3-4 daily servings of whole-grain breads and cereals was changed to a whopping 6-11 servings forming the base of the Food Pyramid as a concession to the processed wheat and corn industries. Moreover, my nutritionist group had placed baked goods made with white flour -- including crackers, sweets and other low-nutrient foods laden with sugars and fats -- at the peak of the pyramid, recommending that they be eaten sparingly. To our alarm, in the 'revised' Food Guide, they were now made part of the Pyramid's base. And, in yet one more assault on dietary logic, changes were made to the wording of the dietary guidelines from 'eat less' to 'avoid too much', giving a nod to the processed-food industry interests by not limiting highly profitable 'fun foods' (junk foods by any other name) that might affect the bottom line of food companies.
"But even this neutralized wording of the revised Guidelines created a firestorm of angry responses from the food industry and their congressional allies who believed that the farmers' department (U.S.D.A.) should not be telling the public to eat less of anything.
"I vehemently protested that the changes, if followed, could lead to an epidemic of obesity and diabetes -- and couldn't be justified on either health or nutritional grounds. To my amazement, I was a lone voice on this issue, as my colleagues appeared to accept the 'policy level' decision. Over my objections, the Food Guide Pyramid was finalized, although it only saw the light of day 12 years later, in 1992. Yet it appears my warning has come to pass."
-Luise Light, MS, EdD
Yeah frick that, don’t eat grains at all and just eat more fruit
grains are gay and lame. imagine eating oats for breakfast.
No wonder your kind is fat
Pretty much. If you manage a nutritionist to build a keto/carnivore dirt for you he'll still follow CICO guidelines
In fact IST was the first place I heard about people following cult diets and refusing to count calories.
The worlds leading obesity expert Dr Eric Westman tells his patients they can eat unlimited meat.
I watch his videos, no he doesn't.
He explicitly tells people they "can have an unlimited amount of meat, poultry, fish and shellfish, and eggs".
https://adaptyourlifeacademy.com/dr-eric-westman/foods-to-avoid/
calories still exist homosexual
the youtube video of fatties not losing weight on carnivore is proof you can overeat
>calories still exist
they dont. calories are a construct
Fat storage is a myth?
Calories don't exist. Just like grams and liters don't exist. Measurements are ideas, not physically existing things.
It is the substance being measured which affects your biology, not the measurement itself. Calorie measurements tell you nothing about how obesogenic a substance is.
so you will lose the same amount of weight eating 3 pounds of meatover 48 hours as you would fasting 48 hours?
No, fasting lowers insulin more than eating meat (fat+protein).
oh so how much you eat does matter
thanks!
No, only insulin matters.
Oh wow a nuanced and informed opinion on IST of all places. A high fat, high protein, and low/no carb diet can help someone control the insulin spikes, and the cravings that carbohydrate physiologically induces. If in doubt track your calories on a keto/low carb diet.
Calories are a scam invented by food corporations to get morons (like yourself) to eat pop tarts and McDonald’s every day because “it fits muhhhh macros!!!!! The guy on the internet said that calories are all that matters!”
LOL I am all for ignoring the carnivore/Aajonus homosexualplanetz schizos but the average dietician has an IQ of 91. And practically speaking keto/low carbs have too many success stories to ignore. If it works it works.
You can tell nutritionists are moronic because with basic critical thinking you can tell the studies are full of shit. At best it's just showing if you eat McDonald's every day while being overweight you'll die. the insane conclusions they have about eating steak and saturated fat is absurd.
I am inclined to think they are right about red meat because of the high methionine content. Saturated fat I am still not sure of. But I think low fat diets are the way to go for most people trying to stave off being fat.
>I think low fat diets are the way to go for most people trying to stave off being fat.
You think wrong.
Unironically stating the nutrition advice of the people who said paper masks stopped the spread. Do the opposite of what THEY say.
post belly
post jaundiced vegan skin
i accept your concession
I don't give a frick about you having sugar spikes or not soiboy
cope seethe dilate fat troony
you really get mad about how I eat meat huh?
Low fat doesn't mean no meat nor diary. It just means you aim to get 20% or less of your calories from fat.
You’re moronic
It's a fake story posted by moxyte. It is evidence that leftists lie constantly.
>It is evidence that leftists lie constantly.
oy vey antisemitism
Usually eating fatty meals and lots of meat is very satiating for people compared to something like rice or bread and that's the main way people lose weight with keto/carnivore - they feel more satiated
but op doesn't
And I mean frick, 6000 calories of beef is like 5 pounds - that's in a single meal
Literally how?
It’s a troll obviously. This is like two steaks, an entire stick of butter, and a glass of whole milk for a single meal. You’d get fricking sick and throw up before you even finished the food. Do you have any idea how shitty you’d feel if you ate 6,000 calories of fricking butter?
You've gotta be a serious gluttonous fat frick to be gaining weight off eating only meat
he's probably eating 2k calories in meat and 4k in butter and cream
He says he’s eating over 3000 calories a meal. Accounting for moron frickery, he’s probably well over 4k. “Why not muh carnivore works” stupid fricking morons just haven’t understood yet that it doesn’t matter what latest woo fad diet you’re doing, it’s still going to follow CICO
are these the same morons that think
"oh i'll just run for 30 mins after eating 2k calories worth of food for lunch" and think it'll burn it all off?
The morons here still think that CICO is a diet and not a baseline description for being alive.
Carnivore diets seem viable to be given you're doing it right, but yeah you'd still have to be eating at a deficit. Selecting out food types usually helps people with subclinical allergic reactions, fatigue, skin issues or whatever but you're not going to lose weight just because you replaced your 3000 mixed source of calories with 3000 calories from meat
>3000 mixed source of calories with 3000 calories from meat
you might. carbohydrate restriction tends to increases expenditure so you could in theory eat the same calories and lose weight
Keto and carnivore diets still count calories. How are you this fricking stupid?
Why don't you keep doing Paleo then if it was working for you?
Only reason to do carnivore is for weird autoimmune or gut issues.
>Why am I not losing fat if I'm eating twice as many calories as I used to?!?
CICO is your friend, anon. Not to mention, what fricking fat loss diet are you supposed to "eat to satiety" on? If you're dieting to lose fat, you WILL be hungry on occasion and not fully stuffed at every meal. Learn to not be moronic, please.
A lot of plebbitor keto “bro science” tells these idiots that they can cram their fricking maws as much as they want on keto, “it’s high fat your body will not want to eat more swearsies!”. Disregarding that a lot of these people have unregulated eating patterns and the feedback loop is absolutely wrecked. And then you see them so often come back and post whining about why has it been a plateau for months, all they eat is 4 packs of bacon a day! Morons.
htf do ADULTS fall for these grifts anyway?
They want a easy way out.
My coworker was trying to fast up to 60hours and he kept showing me pictures of fat guys that supposedly became ripped bodybuilders after fasting for several days.
Fat people are lazy
explains how herbalife was able to con those morons out of money
Sometimes I think I should start scamming morons too
bro i knew a dude who took steroids (would never admit it) and he tried to convince me that he was jacked because of herbalife and was trying to make me invest in it. he got angry with me after i looked into it first and found out it was a pyramid scheme. i dont think he wanted to believe he had been conned
>If you're dieting to lose fat, you WILL be hungry on occasion and not fully stuffed at every meal.
Not really anon. You just need to put more meals and eat things with less calories
I'm on a 300 to 500 caloric deficit right now and never been hungry. Personally potatoes are my best friends
On low carb diets you simply eat to satiety (unlimited calories) and you get much better results than restricting calories with carbs.
No such thing as unlimited calories when obese people eat out of habit not hunger. It's always moronic when you say shit like this. There are many people on Youtube who do carnivore and don't lose weight because they eat at TDEE. You will be hungry sometimes if you want to lose actual weight.
>You will be hungry sometimes if you want to lose actual weight.
Literal moron. There is no reason this must be the case.
It's kinda true but if you are insinuating that keto doesn't have this problem then yeah you're mostly right.
>Now I’m doing OMAD, but still putting down 3000+ calories in that meal and gaining weight?
Are you moronic? You still have to eat under maintenance
Literally you:
>Why am I eating so much more food but gaining weight?
????????????????????????????????????
Are you moronic? You're replying to a fake story posted by a vegan shill as if it is real.
Notice how op never responded to any of the posts? Such riveting geniuses who state the obvious that if more come in than come out you gain weight and vice versa, yet can't detect a bait post.
>Such riveting geniuses who state the obvious
Many people here don't know the obvious.
But yes it's bait. I was trying to bait ketoschizo
Not me, OP I mean
Whatever happened to eating at a deficit while on these diets. That's how it's supposed to work. What the frick is wrong with you people?
>not really losing fat, seem to be gaining it.
>putting down 3000+ calories in that meal and gaining weight?
>I ate to satiety and it was 6000 calories
>most days I’m somewhere between 2500 and 3000
>weight lifting heavy two to three times a week.
>So what the frick am i doing wrong?
are you moronic?
youre eating too much and lifting too little
How the frick are you eating 6000 calories on carnivore? That's like 5 pounds of steak. You're not eating that much in a day.
Put down what you eat even for 3000 calories. Even for me 800 calories of ground beef keeps me full all day.
>How the frick are you eating 6000 calories on carnivore?
Probably lots and lots of butter
5+ sticks of butter? Yeah?
You'd get sick.
Having done carnivore, binging is extremely difficult, it's one of the few diets where you're happy to put down the fork before you're done eating.
Butter isn't carnivore though. That's animal-based. OP is obviously a liar since he hasn't responded to any posts.
He's telling a fake story because he is a vegan who shills on IST all day every day. His name is moxyte and he has his own subreddit where he posts about the arguments he gets into on IST.
vegans are always adorable
Cool story, vegan.
If you're eating chicken and/or pork, stop. 20% and 10% PUFA.
He doesn't eat meat at all. OP is a vegan from reddit whose alias is moxyte.
I hate vegans as much as the next guy but it's really weird how they obsess over keto and make their entire life around them, reminds me of TDS.
Veganism causes mental illness and they think keto is causing an animal holocaust. It causes vegans emotional distress to see how popular keto and now carnivore are.
Are you eating ribeyes all day like a dumbass?
Track your macros and P:E ratio bro.
T. carnivore eating 180 protein a day with enough cals left to have some home made ice cream 4-5 days a week and not break the bank.
All this hula hoop diet and workout plans are on the same level as herbalife scams.
Want to lose weight? Eat less, do cardio.
Want to gain muscle? Eat more protein, lift heavy weights.
Do this consistently for an extended period of time, years even, and you will see results.
Everyone needs to shut the frick up.
Here's a life pro tip anon: just because you can dig a hole with a spoon doesn't mean you should.
All right, rather dig with a spoon but slowly and surely make progress than buy into whatever e-celeb is preaching.
And as always with these fad diet threads no one ever posts their body, goes to show just how effective these diets are.
For the record, you and everyone else is free to eat whatever the frick you want, but if you want to lose weight then you have to drop the fork and to accelerate it even more you have to burn calories be it through cardio or lifting. You fat motherfrickers could be given the miracle fruit of ultimate gains and fat loss but if you eat a truck load of it everyday you'll still end up fat.
Turns out we figured out shovels exist
3,000 calories is INSANE for carnivore OMAD
It's hard but throw in cheese, a fat cut of steak cooked in a generous amount of butter, and some milk (raw since most carnies are schizos) and you can get there.
who the frick eats meat and drinks milk at the same time?
>he has never drank milk with eggs + pancakes + bacon
Pitiful moron.
post belly
Dude, a 12 oz ribeye fried in butter is about 1,000 calories. You’re eating 3 of those in a single sitting. A whole cup of whole milk is only 200 calories. How do you even 3 ribeyes cooked in butter in a single sitting? Oh it’s cheese? Do you have any idea how much cheese that is? This is an absurd amount of food. How are you not ready to throw up when you finish eating? Carnivore OMAD done properly is like a single ribeye steak. If you are getting above 2,000 calories in a meal on carnivore you are doing something very wrong.
>6000 calories in meat per day
H-how? Are you slurping up sticks of butter?
Why the frick are you eating 6k calories Black person?