Give me a good reason why I shouldn't take vitamin pills (or those water dissolvent ones).
"B-because it's unnatural!!!" is not an argument. As long as my body gets the nutrients it needs, it's gonna be fine.
Give me a good reason why I shouldn't take vitamin pills (or those water dissolvent ones).
Manufacturing process can introduce toxic chemicals.
The "unnatural" versions may be less or more bioavailable. Less can make it useless, or worse, detrimental as the biological pathways are shifted and cause disastrous side effects. More bioavailable may be better than natural sources, but may be excessive.
The reason you shouldn't take them is because you were not intelligent enough to discern the above two facts, therefore you lack the intelligence to find good sources of unnatural supplements.
What nutrients are you trying to even get?
>What nutrients are you trying to even get?
Vitamins and magnesium. Due to numerous factors, fresh produce isn't always a given where I live.
>The "unnatural" versions may be less or more bioavailable. Less can make it useless, or worse, detrimental as the biological pathways are shifted and cause disastrous side effects. More bioavailable may be better than natural sources, but may be excessive.
In English, doc.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC508490/
>In contrast, the oxidized form of vitamin C, dehydroascorbic acid (oxidized ascorbic acid), readily entered the brain and was retained in the brain tissue in the form of ascorbic acid.
Basically your body absorbs and processes things differently. For example, off the top of my head is Vitamin A. Beta carotene is plant Vitamin A, and some people can only absorb 2% of it. Retinol (animal vitamin A) is more easy to absorb. Beta carotene can make your skin orange, retinol might not affect your skin at all—or turn it reddish pink, like a lot of carnivores.
Best thing to do is find studied supplements or ones with a large amount of anecdotes, or just get the one that matches real foods.
BUT
Even then it can be different... because of matrices (what surrounds the nutrient or chemicals)
Picrel.
When the body can't shit out toxins or sweat out toxins, it puts them "in jail" by putting them in a matrix where it can't wreak havoc on the rest of the cells in your body. Cooking meat might destroy that matrix and allow you to easily absorb the poison.
>eating fish
>the IQ of this board
Hey, I never pretending to be smart to begin with.
>as the biological pathways are shifted and cause disastrous side effects
Oh yeah look at all those vitamina condiment victims and their crippling osteosclerosis. Nice bullshit science buddy.
I never said it was a 100% guarantee.
It's actually highly unlikely that he will ever get poisoned by supplements unless he takes a massive amount. The benefits will usually outweigh the negatives unless he's sensitive for some reason.
You just can't win, can you? All food is MSG-laden poison, or has disturbing amounts of microplastics in it or god knows what else. It seems all you can do is pick the least toxic shit but good luck trying to find out which that would be without a PhD in biochemistry.
I just said he's probably gonna be fine bro.
If you can't climb the mountain, at least climb halfway.
I take one bottle with three water dissolvent vitamin pills (calcium, magnesium and a multivitamin one) once maybe every two weeks, sometimes between months. How damaging could that be? Certainly must be better than not getting those nutrients at all if I were to stick with my current diet of literally just bread and rice.
>Manufacturing process can introduce toxic chemicals.
You could say that about literally anything.
>The "unnatural" versions may be less or more bioavailable. Less can make it useless, or worse, detrimental as the biological pathways are shifted and cause disastrous side effects. More bioavailable may be better than natural sources, but may be excessive.
Good thing they are all overdosed to hell and back to accommodate for that.
What's on the bottle isn't usually what you are getting.
>Most vitamins, especially multi vitamins are extremely underdosed or flat out lying about what's in it making them pointless.
>Multi vitamins, especially cheap ones, can have contaminants from shit manufacturing that cause more problems than good.
It's a meme in general. Anything that isn't vitamin D (especially if you get a proper prescription for it like I did for a weekly capsule) or vitamin C is a joke.
Magnesium helps me al ot with muscle cramps though.
>dude it's a placebo
Whatever works.
Magnesium is legit.
I think most people get enough calcium and the supplement form is meh. Do you have access to liver or any fish?
>fish
I'm not a millionaire so most meats are out of the question.
I used to eat oatmeal every day, especially in the morning, and I still got cramps in my legs.
How come magnesium is fine but vitamins aren't? How hard could it be to press a bunch of molecules into a gelatin pallet or protein pallet whatever the frick those pills are made out of?
Magnesium is easy to get in your diet.
Fish, bananas, whole weats, greens, fricking yogurt and milk, chicken.
It's extremely unlikely that you are deficient in Magnesium and problem lies elsewhere.
Nope. Veggies conrain 30-40 less magnesium than a century ago. We drink desalinated water now.
So go frick yourself with that "just select proper foods". Yea, not is 300mg, but a century ago people were cobsuming 600. Norms are shit. Now try to get 600mg of megnesium from the food you have listed (book value is overestimated as relies on measures taken half a century ago. But you won't be able to do it even overestimating it.)
>can have contaminants from shit manufacturing
How is that different from just regular food? I don't really see the health issues here.
Oh no, I digested 0.00001 g of dust. Shut it all down.
Vitamin C is one of the easiest vitamins to get through your diet. Why the frick would you take a supplement?
I know and you don't, it's just that it actually works if you are using it for intended purpose.
All you would ever need is vitamin D really. Prescription kind.
Because vitamin C has a really short life in the human body. To reach and most importantly maintain proper levels of vitamin C you need >1g every 3 to 4 hours. Now tell me, would you rather pop a pill a couple of times a day or eat 14 oranges (assuming they are not all kinds of fricked up like 90% of produce is today) every 4 hours?
Watch out for your copper levels though.
When it comes to vitamins and supplements, almost everything that is not behind a prescription and is readily available for purchase and consumption by any moron who walks into a pharmacy is inefficient, flat out lies, placebo, doesn't work.
If you really care about your health to the point you are willing to pop any and all pills, get a full bloodwork done first. Its cheap these days. See your deficiencies and target those by consulting an actual doctor who will give you access to actual supplements that work and could harm the average moron if they used it without actually needing it.
I'm a brainlet and I can do nothing with that information.
The right side is sunlight vitamin D, left side is food or supplement D. Anything with a red asterisk represents genetic variations that could interfere with vitamin D absorption.
There are more steps for the left (ingested vitamin D) so there's a greater chance something about your genetics will be off and inhibit absorption.
Well that sucks, there's nothing I can do about genetics.
Go sunbathe. If you have pale skin you should be able to get vitamin D in cold cloudy areas. If you're a Black person in Europe well you have to take the supplement and hope you're not genetically defective, sorry.
But I was told that sunlight will not only give me cancer but fricks up my skin and makes me age 10 years per minute.
Can't you get Vitamin D some other way, beyond sunlight and prescription? Like meat or anything???
I'll name everything you might be able to do, but you need to figure out the details on your own:
>red light
>UVA UVB selective sunscreen (nontoxic)
Skin quality:
>tretinoin
>bone broth + vitamin C
>hyaluronic acid
>carnivore (retinol, sunbathing)
>tocotrienols
>AGEs
>seed oils
Vitamin D supplements are fine anon, ignore that moron
The amount of sun you need for a noticeable benefit is surprisingly little.
This. You just need to walk outside for 30 minutes or so top
take two multivitamins every morning feel bad if i dont simple as
>you lived to see the day chuds actually accomodated the chud meme as their mascot
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous. ' And God granted it." - Voltaire
He wouldn't approve
What do I care? All it has to produce is some shit for my stomach, the liver needs to shut the frick up.
I rarely eat fish so yes I do supplements
>"B-because it's unnatural!!!" is not an argument
true, but that's not the argument
the argument is the the synthetic version is night and day from the natural counterpart
you are not eating an extract, you are eating a replacement with toxic anti-nutrients at best and carcinogens at worst
>the argument is the the synthetic version is night and day from the natural counterpart
Which is just standing in the sun for half an our per day? How the hell can anyone suffer from Vitamin D deficiency if it's that easy?
>the argument is the the synthetic version is night and day from the natural counterpart
nope
>you are not eating an extract, you are eating a replacement with toxic anti-nutrients at best and carcinogens at worst
nope
Could I just put glycine and proline in my smoothie along with enough protein to have the same effect as taking collagen? Are other amino acids important too? or are collagen peptides magic beyond just the amino profile it supplies?
There's nothing stopping you besides the chance that you could be gullible enough to believe FUD spreading israelites in this thread.
Supplementing means you get to consume a large amount of a certain nutrient without needing to gorge 30lbs of food like a fat frick.
Just make sure it is a legit lab selling legit supps.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28768407/
Link related has a good read to why you should take science with a grain of salt, you could be missing on huge amount of health gains thanks to moronic researchers giving you terrible advice.
The frick is FUD
Answer me
As long as you’re not like 90% of the other morons taking supplements that they don’t even need and wasting money. supplements are for diet SUPPLEMENTATION hence the name. This means you should get you blood checked first to see what you are deficient in and either eat foods with that or take supplements.
I don't need to get my blood checked if I know I'm missing pretty much every vitamin in the book as I don't eat any greens or fruits. Don't need a doctor to tell me to take a multivitamin pill.
Then you’re just a moron and a lazy frick.
Nah I just know what's good homie