Any warnings/anything I should know? Going the topical route to lessen chance of killing my dick forever.
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Any warnings/anything I should know? Going the topical route to lessen chance of killing my dick forever.
fin doesnt kill your dick. you fell for a meme.
I've been on dutasteride for a year now and I'm as hard as I were
it doesn't kill your dick, it kills your brain.
are you gonna risk a lifetime of torture for a chance of slowing hair loss?
Dont be a coward, just shave it!
get on oral minoxidil. also oral fin didn't kill my dick at all, you've just seen a tiny % of guys who get posted everywhere online
Why oral minox vs rubbing it on your head?
Helps you max out your resting heart rate
bruh isnt that bad for you? i thought a lower resting HR is a sign of better cardiovascular fitness
good to start with topical to make sure you're not predisposed to the sides, and if you're not, trying oral can be worth just cause topical can make it hard to style hair. for a few hours after application it can make your hair look a lil gummed up or weird, and it precludes you from styling your hair with gel, as that can mess with the topical solution
finasteride didnt kill my dick either but it absolutely fucked with my mind. Made me scared my dick might be kill. Started to get performance anxiety about sex. You can see how its a self perpetuating thing, especially for neurotic fags who are also the same people who would go to a doctor for hair loss.
Im on the fence about it because obv with all the horror stories, but
is probably right in that you only hear about the guys where it goes wrong, not the rest of the something like 10 million prescriptions, guys that have no sides don't post about it everywhere online they just get on with their lives
If you’re that much of an anxious bitch then it makes sense why your dick can’t keep up either. Stop watching porn and don’t pretend that you aren’t
It literarly makes you hypogondal (ruins your hormones) and therefore affects your mind (depression, anxiety, etc) all of which can kill your libido and sex on there own... but it also physically kills your dick.
Its not just in your mind lol, fin will effect your brain.
DHT as androgenic and effects your brain
it killed my dick
What if you can’t shave it? I’m mexican and I would get hit up everyday if I did and possibly shot
tell us more about that its probably more interesting than pill advertisement
went to a hairloss clinic today cause I've been rapidly balding over the past 8ish months, and they told me I shouldn't go on finasteride because I'm so young (22) and they want 1500 to do laser therapy and min 2x a week which I know will be a temporary solution at best. might go on fin anyway but I'm scared it'll fuck me up long term (like when I'm 30-40) but at the same time I genuinely can't stand to look at myself in the mirror anymore (also I already seem to have gotten a pretty low libido over the past couple months, but I've been cutting and also am not sure if it's related to the stress of realising I'm balding so hard)
You’re getting scammed son
Holy shit please don't get scammed
Like the others said, you're getting scammed
I also tried fin when I was about your age. Wish my doctor warned me away, no idea what I might have done long term but my balls ached for the three months I was taking it.
Only anecdotal but I have been using nizoral for the last 10 years and I still have decent hair.
I went through a majorly traumatic shedding and transition from boyish hairline to manly hairline around age 19. Thought I was for sure going bald and it just pretty much stopped. This also could have been caused by stress or something idk. Anyway it either just happened naturally or the nizoral helped a lot, cant be sure.
how dry is your hair?
Ketoconazole shampoo is proven to reduce DHT in your scalp. That's a no brainer, you can also use shampoos with biotene and saw palmetto and caffeine to give your hair some growth boost, as well as a scalp massage in the shower.
All these things add up, and then the fin/min stuff just helps a bit more.
If by "proven" you mean has a small Japanese study showing some effect if used alongside finasteride then yes, ketocanozale is proven.
Saw Palmetto also doesn't help at all and most likely doesn't even block DHT type 2. Neither do scalp massages since blüdflew is not the reason why hair falls out to begin with.
Only fin and min work. The rest of your suggestions do jack shit.
okay mr goldbergstein i will consume your pills till i live
You either pay Dr. Merckberg or Mr. Gilettestein.
Just do it, been on it for 4 months still feeling good. Hair just starting to get better. I do 0.25mg per 2ml, mix it myself with prop glycol and alcohol that I've bought online. Gonna take it oral after cause it's a pain tho.
1. Sides on finasteride and dutasteride are rare
2. All sides on finasteride and dutasteride are perfectly reversible according to 40 years of research.
3. Losing your hair means you won't need your dick anyway. See the guy in the following clip. Regardless of how well or not his dick works, he will never get to use it again.
This is true.
My mid tier GF broke up with me for balding. I've gotten no matches on apps in the last year. 29, 6'1" 195 lbs, 10% BF, make 125k in a MCOL city, not socially awkward and have friends.
I have become a Baldcel.
you're real desperate to get people to buy chud drugs huh?
shills really trying to tap into that male market huh? too bad men aren't as insecure and easy to manipulate as women huh?
I started fin a few years ago,no side effects
Has stopped most of it, held the line at Norwood 2.5
No more shredding, but will eventually get a hair transplant
Maybe in Mexico or Turkey, heard good things from frens that have
You might want to consider adding dutasteride in order to get additional regrowth.
Interesting, will look into it, might try
what age did you start at?
I cured 2 years of PFS by watching the haircafe videos about it lmao
sides aren't real wagmi don't become a baldcel
I'm with you OP, just started on liposomal gel topical 0.01% 1ml a day after extensive research. The study showed that there were zero sides, zero systemic DHT reduction, but high enough scalp DHT reduction to stop balding for the people who take it.
check this article if you are interested https://perfecthairhealth.com/topical-finasteride-the-best-dosage-for-maximizing-regrowth-and-minimizing-side-effects/
Topical fin absolutely causes systemic absorbtion, don't kid yourself. The reason why it causes less sides is because less nocebo.
Never said there wasn't any systemic absorption, just said that the systemic absorption was so MINISCULE that it did not affect DHT levels. Check the link I posted
Topical gets a bad rep because retards take 0.25% or even 2.5% concentration at 1ml = 2.5g or 25g (and then probably 5-10% goes systemic), and then are surprised when they still get same sides as oral
Always see this threads here, and as someone who already did the fin/minox dance, I adivse you to reconsider, and I'll give you some useful tips. Firstly, the purpose of DHT (which is what fin lowers) is not to make you bald anymore that cholesterol exists to clog your arteries. They both have a myriad of important functions in the body, and you will feel weaker, more depressed, less able to sleep, neurotic, etc. if you lower your DHT so that it doesn't make your hair fall. While it using fin did lower and in fact reverse my hair loss (the hair regrowth happens in sheddings stages, i.e. you'll regrow hair and then lose it), it affected my hormones in such a negative way that I ended up developing hormonal issues down the line. There isn't a single day I regret it, especially because, as I found out, hairloss is generally accelerated by inflammation. Meaning, carb heavy diets with a lot of rice and sugar, and not getting enough sleep will all make you prone to be more inflamed and then lose more hair. Because your DHT is higher than normal, it also means your prostate is in more danger of being enlarged, which will cause more issues (potentially cancer in that are) for you down the line.
For what it's worth, my hairloss got dramatically slowed down when I entered a keto diet, and if you ask around here you'll see that anecdotically other guys will tell you the same. Keto, good sleep, not jerking off more than once in the evening (I mean this, pre-covid this wasn't a problem, but being locked up did no favors for my libido), will all help lower inflammation and regulate your DHT levels so that hair stops falling. Try it for a month or two and then get back to me. If none of this is convincing, considering how old you are, you should then save up 10 grand (or take a loan, alternatively), and just get a hair transplant, it would still be better than putting that fin poison in your body.
so many factually wrong things with what you posted
0.01% at 1 ml topical does NOT lower DHT
finasteride does not increase prostate cancer risk
there is no proof that keto stops or prevents hairloss
finally, getting hair transplant will require you to take finasteride since you wont have enough donor hair to cover your entire balding area if all your normal hair falls out
also when i tried keto for other reasons, it just made constipated
maybe do 0.005% at 2ml?
You're such a fucking imbecile I'm amazed you even capable to even make it to the end of the paragraph.
>0.01% at 1 ml topical does NOT lower DHT
The whole purpose of using fin is that it lowers DHT, as that hormone has a tremendous effect on hair growth and follicles, and it accumulates on the scalp on people that suffer from mala pattern baldness. If the topical fin you're using does not do anything to reduce DHT in the scalp then you're officially buying snake oil.
>finasteride does not increase prostate cancer risk
Didn't say that you retard, I said that increased DHT is also linked to an enlarged prostate, so none of the things are unrelated.
>there is no proof that keto stops or prevents hairloss
Which why I used the word "anecdotically". Just so you know, there isn't any research showing how much muscle trenbolone can grow, it's all anecdotal too, and we know how well it works.
>finally, getting hair transplant will require you to take finasteride since you wont have enough donor hair to cover your entire balding area if all your normal hair falls out
Everybody's case is different, and anyhow they'd be using hair from the part of your scalp that doesn't thin out, which is the whole purpose of getting a hair transplant.
>also when i tried keto for other reasons, it just made constipated
lmao, doesn't surprise me.
You're free not too, just talking what work and what doesn't from experience, as opposed to you retards who recommend people take hormone supressing pills as if you knw anything about the endocrine system.
I obviously mean does not lower DHT as in systemic DHT, obviously it inhibits scalp DHT or it wouldn't work - i felt like that was pretty clear from the post you replied to originally.
As my post
mentioned. you can check the 1997 study there for proof
the prostate thing, yeah fine, i just skimmed your post
topical fin will still go systemic unless you use some super specific vehicle that has limited research. topical fin is a meme that helps people avoid nocebo. and in that case it is fine and that is good. it will still go systemic and inhibit 5ar the same way oral does eventually though. that 1997 mozzarella study is always brought up but there has barely been any research on microdoses of topical since, and it is one study with a low amount of participants. all you can find on topical fin at low dosages is anecdotal experiences across hairloss forums. finasteride accumulates in the body over time even if you're microdosing topical. to each their own. at the very least, it is an easier way of microdosing if that's the route you want to take. if it makes you feel more comfortable then go for it
It goes way less systemic than oral, I mean how couldn’t it, topical isn’t passing through the liver where most of our DHT gets made. At 24 weeks it’s still far lower DHT reduction, despite better hair regrowth than oral. It clearly doesn’t “build up” in your body any more than a few weeks.
>34.5% reduction of serum vs 55.6% reduction
you will still experience side effects at some point
I tried all the natural stuff, it doesn't work.
>take out a 10k take loan to fiance a hair transplant
Lol. Not taking any advice from you.
Sorry to hear the you nocebo'd yourself.
you’re so dumb
I was on Fin from the time i was 16 to 22. I am of the belief that many of the side effects don't start until you're years into it and your hormonal balance changes. The first years, maybe nothing will happen. After that I think the incidence of sides goes up quite a bit, but most men quit for various reasons before then, thus you don't see a lot of people with sides.
I increased vitamin intake around vitamin D, Zinc, and started with natural DHT inhibitors like green tea (zinc is one too). Now I'm 24 and I question why i went on finasteride at all. My short term sides cleared up, but I seriously question if i damaged my prostate long term by using a prostate shrinking drug. Now I have problems with my prostate often, but if anything that is likely because I got on at such a young age.
>fin at 16
What mad scientist doctor did that to you?
Canadian walk in clinic dude. Genuinely can't say it did anything.
At 16 your DHT is still actually acting on your physiology. That's pretty fucked up.
I always thought Green Tea increases DHT? Latest study?
> Topical fin absolutely causes systemic absorption
Stop believing influencers anon, they’re dumb as fuck
This is minoxidil, an entirely different molecule altogether.
>nocebo nocebo nocebo nocebo
what is this meme? i dont buy the pfs lunatic shit but this feels equally crazy, which eceleb said this? why are you spamming it in every fin related thread?
Most PFS sufferers acknowledge that it’s rare but unfortunately very real. Even Merck has admitted it exists, after being sued for manipulating their own studies. They have always found subjects who continue having side effects even after quitting the drug, they just hide the data from the FDA
Kevin Mann, he’s a literal incel on a bunch of steroids with a minor youtube channel who makes rants about how PFS doesn’t exist, when the fucking company that makes finasteride admitted it’s real
He’s had multiple hair transplants and still looks like shit. The worst part is he’s look fine bald, I mean he’s like 40 anyway who the fuck cares at that age?
>I mean he’s like 40 anyway who the fuck cares at that age?
Banging college girls is a powerful drug.
>I mean he’s like 40 anyway who the fuck cares at that age
He's taking an anti androgen that effects the brain, he's got some women thoughts going on
A vegan youtuber said this who also calls himself a hair witcher and wears witcher related clothes and has witcher figurines all over his house.
This is the state of hair drug shills.
Sounds good cheif. I was thinking of aiming for about 0.2mg equivalent of fin, from the concentrations of things I'm seeing on line the main problem might be nothaving enogh liquid to spread around the area of my scalp I'm worried about if I want to aim for such a low dose of the fin itself.
I've considered this, but scared about increased dick death risk. Is regrowth with fin rare? I've seen lots of examples online claiming they got some regrowth with fin. Guess I'll try out the topical fin first then maybe move up to dutasteride if I want after that.
I take it for 2 weeks.
finasteride only fucked my sleep so had to make the change, if you can include minoxidil thatbwould be good
I have heard that if you have general thinning and no hairline recession, then minoxidil works very well. Is this true? If minox works for say a decade before the effect wear off, then would I be able to last my entire 20's with hair and without having to mess with hormones?
My hair is fine, just not as thick as it was when I was a teen. I don't even think I lose 100 hairs per day.
Minox without fin will work for about two years before the hairloss catches up to you and then you'll have a huge shed. If you are not willing to hop on finasteride, better start shaving now. Andrew Tate bro.
Such a stupid fucking question. If you are the <0.005 of dysgenic retards with a nonfunctional dick on top of baldness then just do kegels and cardiomaxx, fuck just use Cialis even. If you are on fit that means you work out and that means YOUR DICK SHOULD WORK!!!!!!
How long before fin kicks in? I'm on 2mg just started because I'm blasting a gram of test a week
It can take up to 2-3 years for fin to hit its peak effects.
Congrats, you successfully nocebo'd yourself.
>take fin pill
>start to feel low energy and dry-eyed about an hour later
>this lasts about 10-15 hours before going away
Is this placebo? It's worse when I think about it.
It takes several weeks for the effects (and potential sides) to hit, so yeah it’s placebo. You are probably going to keep freaking out and then blaming it all on fin so you might as well stop taking it right now
Oh and all the topical fin things I see online also come with minoxodil. Is this a good idea, or should I try find one without?
If you're already willing to go the topical route, might aswell add minoxidil.
I started taking the fin pill and after a few weeks I noticed my ejac volume dropped way down and it was coming out kind of oily and yellow. I didn't lose my ability to get hard or cum, though.
But I was deeply troubled by my ejac looking like that and being so small, so I took that as a sign and I got the topical fin/min from "for hims" it's a spray and easy to apply.
Decreased sperm volume usually resolves itself within a few months of being on finasteride. That effect is usually caused by your prostate shrinking.
if you start fin early, will you get a shedding period? My hair is still good and low hair loss. If I shed, it will look worse.
It depends. If you have a lot of hair in the telogen phase, it will definitely shed. But it would've shed anyway in some months and then either not grow back at all or only grow back miniaturized.
From personal experience, I didn't shed much on finasteride but within a week of just trying dutasteride my left hairline thinned out badly while my right hairline held steadily.
am I going bald bros?
I cry every day about it.
Yea I remember when my hairline looked like that. Your time will come
Is oral min a meme? It seems like so much less of a hassle than the foam/liquid, but I'm somewhat worried about my heart exploding
Holy shit have a nice day you fucking bong, I'm tired of seeing your threads on /int/ and now here too. Just take fin or shave it already, you don't need someone to teach you how to make decisions
26y/o, no thinning, still thick hair all around but hairline heavily receding. I'm at NW2.5, creeping into 3 territory and I think I'm one of the few people with the "A" progression. Seems logical enough since my father also went through the A-progression.
What supplements/meds will be best for the receding-but-not-thinning situation?
>born at NW3
>still at NW3
>will probably be NW3 for the rest of my life
Not great, not terrible I guess
Man. Some guy I know through work. His son is 16, and the kid is at a NW3 already, progressed there over a couple years. The dad guy has a full head of thick NW1 black hair.
That poor fucking kid man. He legit looks 30 in high school and not in a good way. Kid looks like the disappointing 30 year old Timmy Turner not the Chad one.
dont do it
you will get sides, its just a matter of time lol
Every single guy on it claiming no sides has clearly never been healthy and is content living with a shiiter quality life than optimal. your dick will never be 100% on fin (if you think it is, you've never experienced your dick at 100% lol) and your brain and hormones will also be fucked up.
Finasteride is legitimately poison and as others have said, it merely DELAYS hairloss... 90% of growth comes from minoxodil (also not a drug you really want to use yet its far safer than fin)
So its basically this, kill your hormones, kill your brain, and kill your dick for slowed hairloss, or stay healthy and experiment with other ways of reversing it (male pattern hairloss is a sign that you are metabolically unhealthy so your lifestyle isnt great)
The SIDES WILL ALWAYS APPEAR, slowly but surely they will come. It varies by indiviual, some get them immediately, others only notice them once they become severe, yet had been dealing with them since using. They just blame it on age lol.
I was dumb and didnt do real deep dive research and trusted the normies and uneducated on youtube and reddit who tell you its safe and that DHT is a trash hormone that only makes you bald and enlarges your prostate LOL
I used topical fin 0.25% 1x a day on and off for about 3-4 months. While I avoided anyhting major, im confident that it was imapcting my mood and feelings and therefore also my dick, which id say certainly was 5-10% "off"... weaker erection, size, ejaculate. This is all shown in studies as well, finasteride WILL make your dick smaller, through weaker erections and tissue change.
Ive hopped off now and luckily everything seems to be coming back to normal and i definitely feel better... some people have these sides PERMANENTLY.
BTW if you think fin doesnt hurt muscle gains and make your body composition worse, you are COPING
WOOPS i actually used 6% minoxidil and 0.05% finasteride... not 0.25%
so apparently a low "safe" dose according to the shills!
retards dont even understand how topical works either, its BULLSHIT that it binds to receptors in the scalp exclusively LOL
it cured my problem with premature ejaculation i had from being a coke addict