half the number of countries do olympic wrestling compared to judo though. i think it's more valuable to be physically capable of wrestling because of the stamina, but a judo throw would be ruthless against someone wearing even regular clothes i think.
Boxing and/or wrestling for self defence
like thai boxing? or does capoeira/taekwondo count?
The Olympics are killing judo with over the top rules and pretty all judo gyms follow these rules because they get there funding from the judo Olympic committee go with mma wrestling or submissions grappling they are the future and are growing amazingly >judo better regular clothes
A judo gi is made to to not rip and regular clothes are not so it better to train without it i.e. no-gi or wrestling
>near useless without a gi
you can always grab from the pants retard, always on the streets you aint gonna fight somebody naked almost ever, and if you do end up fighting a naked crackhead for whatever reason: kick him in the balls hard as fuck that you split those fucks.
you are never gonna fight somebody naked literally dont fuckign worry. Judo is god tier for self defense ask the big Russians so train Sambo how good Judo is, its extremely good.
No they don't they just fight full force because they can't feel their bodies getting tired but you can wear them out just like anyone else and their body will shut down eventually.
you are never gonna fight somebody naked literally dont fuckign worry. Judo is god tier for self defense ask the big Russians so train Sambo how good Judo is, its extremely good.
Depends where you live. If you like in a cold area where people wear jackets year round, judo is still great.
It's always good to have a good solid basis in every martial art, especially if mma is your goal. Having some knowledge of judo makes you basically immune to 99% of throws people do, and you can counter throw their shitty attemps super easy. I do it all the time after only a few months of judo. It's the same as having a few months of wrestling will make you WAY harder to take down in mma.
Sambo is most versatile but honestly it's just mma in disguise. Wrestling is very intense and will get you real strong, if you want a bulkier physique but still be athletic try it and see how you feel
Boxing and freestyle/folkstyle wrestling. Muay thai depending on if there is a decent gym near you (see if they have trained mma fighters and teach clinch work, knees, and elbows).
Yeah, that's my point. There are probably mcdojos that gloss over the aspects of muay thai that make it distinct from kickboxing. Especially because clinching isn't as popular in the west.
MMA is literally only the most effective techniques boiled down into an extremely competitive environment with very few rules. You're coping hard for the time you got marked by a guy who trained for half the time you did in sparring.
I think his point is that MMA is a compilation of different martial arts and most fighters learn one at a time to integrate them into their arsenal. But it's all semantics.
Every martial art is a distillation of technique. Nearly every traditional art pulls from multiple others and evolved over time to keep what works for their rules. Mma is no different. And it's VERY fair to say there is a kind of "MMA style" you can spot from a mile away in stance and movement.
the problem is MMA has no specific form or brand to it. it's just whatever works, which is like saying your martial art is using your body. no shit, but what makes it a style? there has to be some system or flow of reasoning that makes specific moves work in an art. it could be the philosophy of fighting, the environment where you need specific moves, and so on.
The fact that it's mainly just muay thai + wrestling + bjj. There are for example no headbutts, no stomps, no eye gouges, etc. Just because it has a flexible ruleset doesn't mean that these rules don't cause a particular style. For example, most fighters use a medium-width bladed stance with upright posture.
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i feel like fundamentally, you can't learn it in isolation. you or your instructor has to come into it with a preexisting understanding of a particular set of martial arts, regardless of it being striking or grappling based. if we were to reduce it to bjj + wrestling + thai moves, then you could argue that learning Gaidojutsu is even more efficient, because it encompasses catch wrestling, judo locks, and muay thai strikes.
MMA can be broken into styles for each person submission grappling, striking, sprawl and brawl, ground and pound
> there has to be some system or flow /philosophy of fighting
not really each person is different and that the greatness of mma
>environment
a cage and this is a thing you must train
you're tailoring your style is my point. MMA has no meaning beyond finding what works for you, but finding a martial art that works for you should already be your goal. that's why i don't get it. every martial art has scenarios where you are in an open area or closed space, and you have to figure out when to use what moves. > submission grappling, striking, sprawl and brawl, ground and pound
Thousands of moves cover this though. how do you pick which ones to focus on? an art has rules that help you decide what to pick and when. MMA is the environment, but you have to learn to adapt in that environment. it doesn't offer you anything other than a scenario.
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>i feel like fundamentally, you can't learn it in isolation. you or your instructor has to come into it with a preexisting understanding of a particular set of martial arts
Yeah, but if someone says they train mma, they are almost certainly just learning bjj+wrestling+thai moves. So I don't see what difference it makes. Does a martial art being a combination of existing ones invalidate its existence as a distinct art? That's just a semantic problem.
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because all it takes is someone not learning those big three and winning for it to be an invalid concept. and it hasn't happened yet, but some fighters are getting close with just wrestling and basic striking skills.
>MMA is literally only the most effective techniques boiled down into an extremely competitive environment with very few rules.
That doesn't make MMA a martial art. It's a sport. >You're coping hard for the time you got marked by a guy who trained for half the time you did in sparring.
Ok retard
>That doesn't make MMA a martial art. It's a sport.
The distinction is rather murky. Muay thai, boxing, taekwondo, and wrestling instruction are all extremely influenced by their sports/scoring procedures.
>coolest
Taekwondo or Capoeira are the flashiest martial arts that aren’t 100% bullshido. Judo is cool on the grappling side of things. Of course retards are only concerned with how effective martial arts are in le ebin street fightz that they ignore anything but Muay Thai and BJJ.
Just pick the one that seems the coolest and most fun to you. If you just choose whichever one the internet tells you to choose like some autistic minmaxer, you aren’t gonna have fun and you’ll quit after a month.
Is Muay Thai worth while? I've recently improved my cardio and strength and would like to do a martial art where I can inflict damage. I'm 36 yo, 6'3" 210 lbs, did various gay martial arts like tkd as a kid
That sounds interesting. I should say, I live in suburban Richmond, VA so my options are likely limited. What are the best relatively commonly trainable martial arts, especially ones that aren't at gyms for kids.
Yes, knees hurt even when you're wearing a big ass pad. I can imagine how bad it would crack ribs/dent the gut if someone came up to you expecting to hit a 1-2-3 combo.
muay thai is heavy on cardio more than strength if you are wondering, its brutal af dont use knees or elbows during spars and the speed is like 50% dont injure the other students.
Knees to the body any day. Just dont blast them. If someone gets caught in the head, it's a good lesson to not escape a clench from lowering your head. But yeah, no elbows.
Oh also your height gives you an extreme advantage because you can head-kick or head-knee manlets and regular sized people with relative ease. Or grab/push people from far away. Or kick people from far away.
Clinch is allowed in K-1 so he could have done it if he wanted, but I'm guessing he didn't want to set a potentially bad precedent. Hadj (red gloves) is the taller fighter with the longer reach. If you have the reach advantage and have to resort to clinch, then that usually sends the message that you're in trouble and don't want to get into strike exchanges. Would be a pretty bad look, especially so early in the fight.
>which ones are the coolest?
definetly the coolest one is Taekwondo, some of the kicks these fuckers are performing are sick beyond measure, that being said you'd probably get your ass beaten in a streetfight anyway is you choose it, taekwondo is all about cool kicks and they won't teach you shit about punching or grapling, so the moment your oponent manages to shorten the distance between both of you, you are fucked and will lose some teeth
None, theyre all gay. Also you will become one of those lame retards who always have to talk about their gay little hobby. Literally vegan-tier in conversation. Its all gonna be downhill from there, you will make "which routine to supplement my COOL FECHTER ACTIVITY?"-threads just because you want people to know youre a super tough fighter guy now. MMA-fags are a plague on this board and I really dont want you becoming one
Muay Thai is cool and very effective, Kyokushin or Shotokan Karate and TKD are also very stylish and they do work, but don’t have the same amount of success in MMA/UFC. Kung Fu looks the coolest, but is pretty incomplete, janky and esoteric on its own and you’ll need to train multiple other arts alongside it to be competitive
>very effektive >alright lads we have 3 nichts of our week to become incredible fighters for the 0 physical confrontations we are going to face in our lives
Judo (Maybe some Thai Boxing, but mostly Judo.) >>>>>>>>>>> All the other shit
Judo is literally the most homosexual of marital arts.
That's BJJ.
Judo is gay for some reasons -
>near useless without a gi
>no leg grabs, any good judoka will get mugged by someone who bum rushes their legs
Just do no gi submission grappling at an MMA gym
so is it inferior to shoot wrestling?
Yes and shoot wrestling is the future
half the number of countries do olympic wrestling compared to judo though. i think it's more valuable to be physically capable of wrestling because of the stamina, but a judo throw would be ruthless against someone wearing even regular clothes i think.
like thai boxing? or does capoeira/taekwondo count?
The Olympics are killing judo with over the top rules and pretty all judo gyms follow these rules because they get there funding from the judo Olympic committee go with mma wrestling or submissions grappling they are the future and are growing amazingly
>judo better regular clothes
A judo gi is made to to not rip and regular clothes are not so it better to train without it i.e. no-gi or wrestling
>near useless without a gi
you can always grab from the pants retard, always on the streets you aint gonna fight somebody naked almost ever, and if you do end up fighting a naked crackhead for whatever reason: kick him in the balls hard as fuck that you split those fucks.
but what if he guards his balls with the inside of his ankle and does a reversal scorpion hold?
you are never gonna fight somebody naked literally dont fuckign worry. Judo is god tier for self defense ask the big Russians so train Sambo how good Judo is, its extremely good.
Never fight a crack or meth head they have inhuman levels of strength
No they don't they just fight full force because they can't feel their bodies getting tired but you can wear them out just like anyone else and their body will shut down eventually.
the judofag fears the turkish oil wrestler rapist
transgenders vote against their own economic interests
Depends where you live. If you like in a cold area where people wear jackets year round, judo is still great.
It's always good to have a good solid basis in every martial art, especially if mma is your goal. Having some knowledge of judo makes you basically immune to 99% of throws people do, and you can counter throw their shitty attemps super easy. I do it all the time after only a few months of judo. It's the same as having a few months of wrestling will make you WAY harder to take down in mma.
JUDO IS KING
Kickboxing
OP here. what about gaidojutsu, sambo or Greco-Roman wrestling?
Sambo is most versatile but honestly it's just mma in disguise. Wrestling is very intense and will get you real strong, if you want a bulkier physique but still be athletic try it and see how you feel
Boxing and/or wrestling for self defence
Muay thai
muay thai, judo, mma
Boxing and freestyle/folkstyle wrestling. Muay thai depending on if there is a decent gym near you (see if they have trained mma fighters and teach clinch work, knees, and elbows).
Also, judo, but most of the useful judo trips and shit are legal in wrestling as well, so you can experiment in wrestling with it.
you mean go to a muay thai dojo and hope they have mma principles, or an mma gym and hope they have muay thai fighters?
I mean if a muay thai gym trains professional or amateur fighters, they are probably pretty good quality.
>and teach clinch work, knees, and elbows
If they don't do this then it isn't muay thai, retard
Yeah, that's my point. There are probably mcdojos that gloss over the aspects of muay thai that make it distinct from kickboxing. Especially because clinching isn't as popular in the west.
Ninjutsu style larp martial arts will be fun as shit and give you enough tools to beat up randos in Walmart parking lots
>martial
4. (not comparable, astrology) Pertaining to the astrological influence of the planet Mars.
>martial arts
Art from Mars
If anyone calls "MMA" a martial art or claims to train "MMA", you can safely disregard their opinion/advice
you can safely disregard their opin -ack!
MMA is literally only the most effective techniques boiled down into an extremely competitive environment with very few rules. You're coping hard for the time you got marked by a guy who trained for half the time you did in sparring.
I think his point is that MMA is a compilation of different martial arts and most fighters learn one at a time to integrate them into their arsenal. But it's all semantics.
Every martial art is a distillation of technique. Nearly every traditional art pulls from multiple others and evolved over time to keep what works for their rules. Mma is no different. And it's VERY fair to say there is a kind of "MMA style" you can spot from a mile away in stance and movement.
the problem is MMA has no specific form or brand to it. it's just whatever works, which is like saying your martial art is using your body. no shit, but what makes it a style? there has to be some system or flow of reasoning that makes specific moves work in an art. it could be the philosophy of fighting, the environment where you need specific moves, and so on.
The fact that it's mainly just muay thai + wrestling + bjj. There are for example no headbutts, no stomps, no eye gouges, etc. Just because it has a flexible ruleset doesn't mean that these rules don't cause a particular style. For example, most fighters use a medium-width bladed stance with upright posture.
i feel like fundamentally, you can't learn it in isolation. you or your instructor has to come into it with a preexisting understanding of a particular set of martial arts, regardless of it being striking or grappling based. if we were to reduce it to bjj + wrestling + thai moves, then you could argue that learning Gaidojutsu is even more efficient, because it encompasses catch wrestling, judo locks, and muay thai strikes.
you're tailoring your style is my point. MMA has no meaning beyond finding what works for you, but finding a martial art that works for you should already be your goal. that's why i don't get it. every martial art has scenarios where you are in an open area or closed space, and you have to figure out when to use what moves.
> submission grappling, striking, sprawl and brawl, ground and pound
Thousands of moves cover this though. how do you pick which ones to focus on? an art has rules that help you decide what to pick and when. MMA is the environment, but you have to learn to adapt in that environment. it doesn't offer you anything other than a scenario.
>i feel like fundamentally, you can't learn it in isolation. you or your instructor has to come into it with a preexisting understanding of a particular set of martial arts
Yeah, but if someone says they train mma, they are almost certainly just learning bjj+wrestling+thai moves. So I don't see what difference it makes. Does a martial art being a combination of existing ones invalidate its existence as a distinct art? That's just a semantic problem.
because all it takes is someone not learning those big three and winning for it to be an invalid concept. and it hasn't happened yet, but some fighters are getting close with just wrestling and basic striking skills.
MMA can be broken into styles for each person submission grappling, striking, sprawl and brawl, ground and pound
> there has to be some system or flow /philosophy of fighting
not really each person is different and that the greatness of mma
>environment
a cage and this is a thing you must train
>MMA is literally only the most effective techniques boiled down into an extremely competitive environment with very few rules.
That doesn't make MMA a martial art. It's a sport.
>You're coping hard for the time you got marked by a guy who trained for half the time you did in sparring.
Ok retard
>That doesn't make MMA a martial art. It's a sport.
The distinction is rather murky. Muay thai, boxing, taekwondo, and wrestling instruction are all extremely influenced by their sports/scoring procedures.
you can go to a gym and take class in mma
at this point it is a martial art but then again martial art is such a loose term like your bussy
>coolest
Taekwondo or Capoeira are the flashiest martial arts that aren’t 100% bullshido. Judo is cool on the grappling side of things. Of course retards are only concerned with how effective martial arts are in le ebin street fightz that they ignore anything but Muay Thai and BJJ.
Just pick the one that seems the coolest and most fun to you. If you just choose whichever one the internet tells you to choose like some autistic minmaxer, you aren’t gonna have fun and you’ll quit after a month.
You gotta do the fake one that everyone thinks is cool. I think it's called Aikido.
Is Muay Thai worth while? I've recently improved my cardio and strength and would like to do a martial art where I can inflict damage. I'm 36 yo, 6'3" 210 lbs, did various gay martial arts like tkd as a kid
Learn gun-fu
That sounds interesting. I should say, I live in suburban Richmond, VA so my options are likely limited. What are the best relatively commonly trainable martial arts, especially ones that aren't at gyms for kids.
muay thai, judo, sambo, jiu jitsu
Yes, knees hurt even when you're wearing a big ass pad. I can imagine how bad it would crack ribs/dent the gut if someone came up to you expecting to hit a 1-2-3 combo.
muay thai is heavy on cardio more than strength if you are wondering, its brutal af dont use knees or elbows during spars and the speed is like 50% dont injure the other students.
That makes sense, and def wouldn't want to hurt sparring partners, thanks for info
Knees to the body any day. Just dont blast them. If someone gets caught in the head, it's a good lesson to not escape a clench from lowering your head. But yeah, no elbows.
Oh also your height gives you an extreme advantage because you can head-kick or head-knee manlets and regular sized people with relative ease. Or grab/push people from far away. Or kick people from far away.
Muay thais really cool. They somehow figured out how to cut people with your elbows by just making a barely glancing hit on their skin.
I have one judo gym and one wrestling gym in my city. I'm stuck between which one I should chose bros since they both look fun
You can do one for a year and then the other for a year. They're extremely compatible.
Oh, you should also try a free class of each before picking.
Kickboxing if you can find a good gym that produces active fighters
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They're so close. Why doesn't blue guy just grab red guy and start kneeing him instead of eating barrages of punches?
Clinch is allowed in K-1 so he could have done it if he wanted, but I'm guessing he didn't want to set a potentially bad precedent. Hadj (red gloves) is the taller fighter with the longer reach. If you have the reach advantage and have to resort to clinch, then that usually sends the message that you're in trouble and don't want to get into strike exchanges. Would be a pretty bad look, especially so early in the fight.
Sorry, meant Hadj (blue gloves). Zambidis is the fighter with the red gloves.
A glock holstered at your appendix.
>which ones are the coolest?
definetly the coolest one is Taekwondo, some of the kicks these fuckers are performing are sick beyond measure, that being said you'd probably get your ass beaten in a streetfight anyway is you choose it, taekwondo is all about cool kicks and they won't teach you shit about punching or grapling, so the moment your oponent manages to shorten the distance between both of you, you are fucked and will lose some teeth
I think wrestling is underrated for how smooth/cool some moves can look.
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i mean wrestling obviously is more cool than taekwondo but anon asked for combat sports, when wrestling is more like a theatre than combat sport
>when wrestling is more like a theatre than combat sport
I'm talking about freestyle/folkstyle wrestling, not WWE
This.
Effective, yes. But not very cool at all unless you design your own guns or are a master quickdraw shooter.
small time
>unsheathes katana
heh nothin personal kid
Boxing, muay thai and BJJ(I hate the people who do it tho, they sip too much kool-aid)
Pankration
tacticool knife fighting
None, theyre all gay. Also you will become one of those lame retards who always have to talk about their gay little hobby. Literally vegan-tier in conversation. Its all gonna be downhill from there, you will make "which routine to supplement my COOL FECHTER ACTIVITY?"-threads just because you want people to know youre a super tough fighter guy now. MMA-fags are a plague on this board and I really dont want you becoming one
Muay Thai is cool and very effective, Kyokushin or Shotokan Karate and TKD are also very stylish and they do work, but don’t have the same amount of success in MMA/UFC. Kung Fu looks the coolest, but is pretty incomplete, janky and esoteric on its own and you’ll need to train multiple other arts alongside it to be competitive
>very effektive
>alright lads we have 3 nichts of our week to become incredible fighters for the 0 physical confrontations we are going to face in our lives