Has anyone here ever gotten jaw surgery? Looking for recovery details and how it went.
Has anyone here ever gotten jaw surgery? Looking for recovery details and how it went.
Has anyone here ever gotten jaw surgery? Looking for recovery details and how it went.
Why would you do this when you can just grow a beard?
So when you shave the beard your wife doesn't divorce you
cope for b***h faced homosexuals, if you're ugly you're ugly. nothing short of genetic recombination can fix it
imagine you settle down with B then your kid comes out looking like A
that is an acquired malocclusion moron, not genetics
I have no idea what that is but it looks like my ex
You only have one life. You can choose to live it as a beautiful human or a subhuman fuggo.
why do they do the hand stuff in these videos
It's for the deaf, sign language
is a large portion of tiktok deaf? It would make a lot of sense
sign language while not speaking out loud and captioning the video in plain english
the amount of plastic surgery in korea is insane, viewed as somewhat of a status/class symbol over there. very normalized.
Just be careful if you're thinking about getting cosmetic surgeries in South Korea. They might claim to tailor their techniques to your specific ethnicity, but I've seen a few people hate their results because they tend to make your face look more round, small, and soft - which might look great on an Asian person, but weird as frick on other racial groups. Likewise, I saw an example on /r/JawSurgery of the opposite problem where an Asian guy in the UK hated what his oral surgeon did to his face because they made him look more Caucasian - which just looks bad on him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/jawsurgery/comments/15w6k9h/revision_surgery_needed_after_djs_with_jonathan/
serious question why do you insist on posting this stuff constantly? let people think what they want, its not a good idea if hard facial surgery becomes mainstream. normies are already making mewing vids on tiktok with millions of views, u will make it 100x worse and u dont even benefit from an anonymous post
last time i ever bump one of these threads
Afraid more people will be good looking so you get less pussy? I'm all for it.
Eat shit :^)
yep, pagz and rsm
Tfw no I'll get you my pretties gf
Very few people are unfixibly ugly.
Most uggos have just a few more/less millimeters of jaw bone
But she's still a 4 after
she cute
You realize those before and after pictures are fake, right?
>Use the worst pics in the before and the best in the after
Genius.
She looked at least as good in the original.
Fuark unreaal lass went fae 4 'e 6.8
Yes. Got it done on the NHS. Recovery was pretty bad but no where near as bad as I was expecting based on what I'd read online.
The nose before the operation was better. The overbite was quite nasty.
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I got double jaw surgery a few months ago in order to correct a pretty severe underbite. It was absolutely awful. Hardest thing that I've ever been though by far.
They used a small, rotating, Dremel-like saw in order to completely remove my upper jaw from my skull. They then took my detached upper jaw, sawed it in half, put it in a custom made plastic splint in order to widen it, and then reattached it to my skull several millimeters forward using custom made titanium plates and screws. For my lower jaw, they made 4 cuts with the same saw in order to separate my jaw into 3 pieces so that they could remove a few millimeters of bone and move it backwards and kept in place with more custom made titanium plates and screws. They also rotated both of my jaws to the left about 1.5 millimeters in order to align them with the center of my face. They used a bunch of different kinds of rubber bands to keep my jaws wired shut for the next 6 weeks.
The surgery took about 7 hours. Here's actual video footage of the surgeries for all of the gore fans.
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When you wake up, your face will be swollen like crazy. The first time you look at your face it will be shocking and comical because you'll look like the Nutty Professor. You won't be able to talk at all. And so you can only communicate with paper or pen or large text on your phone (pro tip: get the Big app on iOS to make it easier). You also won't be able to eat or drink at all. Everything you consume will have to be squirted into the side of your mouth with a long rubber hose connected to a feeding syringe. Everything will have to be liquified and you'll have to swallow your food without chewing like a human snake.
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Lots of people report violently vomiting blood when they wake up - which is especially horrible because your jaws are wired shut. The bloody vomit has nowhere to go, and so it blows up in your mouth like a grenade. And so ask them to give you anti-vomit pills and patches to hopefully avoid this. I never puked, but I almost did a couple of times.
You also have to take huge amounts of liquid antibiotics and painkillers every 3-6 hours - which is way more horrible than it sounds. The liquid painkillers burn the shit out of your mouth and throat and are insanely sweet and make you feel extremely nauseous. You'll also inevitably cough half of them up, and so your comically swollen lips, completely numb chin, throat, chest, arms, and humidifier mask will get absolutely coated in sticky liquid pain killers that reek of artificial fruit. You also have to be propped up at a 45 degree angle at all times - which killed my back and ass and made it super hard to sleep. In my opinion, sleep is more important than keeping yourself at a 45 degree angle, but follow your surgeon's advice on this because it could be dangerous to lie down flat.
Every time you sit up straight or stand, blood will gush out of your nose and throat. You'll also be slobbering bloody drool constantly. And when you try to sleep, blood and drool will accumulate in the back of your throat and choke you, and so good luck with trying to sleep during your recovery.
In America, they want you out of the hospital 24 hours after your surgery, and they charge you a fortune (picrel is one of many bills), because frick you. In Europe, it's typically 3 days (and free). They also put a feeding tube in your nose in Europe, which would have made my recovery so much easier - which I'll get to next.
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When you first look at your face on the first day post-op, your mind will be blown by how horrible it looks. You won't think that it's possible for it to get any bigger, but it will. It will just keep getting bigger, BIGGER, and BEEGER until around day 4 when the swelling will very gradually start to subside. The swelling won't go away completely for 6-18 months. My face swelled up so much that my skin peeled off of my face from being overstretched. Those weird yellow maggot looking things on my face was rolled up peeled skin. And keep in mind that I took those pictures right after showering. And so they looked even worse before that.
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I had to go the emergency room on the 3rd morning of my recovery at like 3:30 AM because I could barely breathe. My lips had fused together from all of the swelling, blood, drool, and snot. And my nostrils got almost completely filled with rock hard black blood clots. It felt like someone shoved 2 fistfuls of charcoal into my face. My right nostril was 100% clogged with black blood clots, and my left nostril was about 95% clogged. And so I was one little booger or blood clot away from not being able to breathe at all. And the emergency hospital experience ending up this whole (expensive) ordeal because the nearest emergency room pretty much refused to help me because they didn't want to screw up my surgery. A male nurse just came over an pulled a blood clots out of my nostrils with some medical pliers, but he only went like half an inch into my nostrils. I then had to take an ambulance to the hospital that hosted my surgery in Washington, D.C., which was only like 30 minutes away. They told me the ambulance would be here in 45 minutes tops, instead it took like 8 hours and I was gasping for air and in extreme pain the entire time (mostly in my right ear because the surgery aggravated my TMJ). Despite the ambulance ride only being about 30 minutes, they still charged me about $1,000 after insurance. They didn't even touch me or say a single word to me. And they followed all traffic laws and didn't use their sirens or flashing lights. Fricking ridiculous. When I got to the hospital that conducted my surgery, I was supposed to meet my surgeons who worked on me. Instead, they sent some 20-something jaw surgeon in training to look at me. He just abruptly ripped my lips open, which hurt like a motherfricker and caused my lips to be covered in scabs, shoved some Afrin nasal spray up my nose, gave me a tube of generic petroleum jelly for my lips, and told me to go home.
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The hardest part of your recovery is going to be eating and taking your meds and painkillers. I lost 20 pounds in the first 2 weeks of my recovery because eating was so difficult. Like I said before, everything has to be liquified and put in a feeding syringe. Your mouth hurts like crazy, you have stiches on both your top and lower gums that you have to worry about, and just knowing that your jaws were freshly sawed into several different pieces and kept together with metal plates and screws will freak you out. And so you have to be very delicate and careful with everything that you do, especially when you come anywhere near your mouth.
You also have to consume 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight - which especially sucks for we dudes because we're much heavier. I weigh about 200 pounds, and so I had to consume 200 grams of protein every day. And while that might not sound like a big deal to gym bros because we've been doing that for years anyway, it's way harder when you have to use a feeding syringe. I tried to liquify my normal diet in a blender, but it just wasn't working. My taste buds changed for whatever reason, and so the protein shakes that I loved prior to my surgery now made me want to vomit. I also tried simply using high protein pre-made meal replacement shakes like ensure, but God that made me feel so sick. It was also still super hard to do because each one of these shakes typically only had about 10-30 grams of protein in them depending on the brand and formula, and so I had to consume about 12 of them per day. And I had to fill a feeding syringe about 3 or 4 times for each one. And so I'd spend hours every day laying back on a recliner with a tray next to me and pumping gross meal replacement shakes into the side of my lips - which would spill all over the side of my face and neck. Legit torturous.
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And then I had to clean my mouth out after every feeding the best I could with warm salt water, prescription mouthwashes, and by very gently brushing the front of my teeth. I couldn't clean the top or back part of my teeth or the rest of my mouth because my jaws were wired shut. And so my mouth felt so fricking gross. It smelled like something died in my mouth.
Eventually I resorted to simply pouring half a box of sugary children's breakfast cereal into a blender along with 2 or 3 high protein meal replacement shakes (my favorite was vanilla flavored Premier Protein) and heaping spoons of peanut butter. I would eat 2 or 3 of those per day and it tasted great. That allowed me to put on 25 pounds of fat over the next 4 weeks.
I also couldn't exercise at all. I was limited to simply walking. Nothing else. And so I lost about 50% of my gains which I had been building for years - which was psychologically difficult to watch. And it happened shockingly fast too. My arms looked so frail and pathetic only a couple of weeks after my surgery. And my torso looked pudgy and soft despite losing a ton of weight during those first couple of weeks. Luckily, I regained about 90% of that in only about 6 weeks of working out. And so muscle memory is definitely a thing.
And even after you get your splint taken out, you still won't be able to eat normally again for months - which they lied to me about. They told me that I could eat a big juicy burger right after my appointment, and so I reserved a table at my favorite restaurant to celebrate. Only to realize that I couldn't even open my mouth enough to fit a single finger in-between my teeth, which caused me to cry in the middle of the restaurant - which was super embarrassing. Your teeth, gums, and jaws will still be super sore and tender for months. And you'll gradually have to stretch your jaws every day so that you can regain normal mouth function.
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You also might experience permanent numbness. The studies say 10-30% risk. It still feels like my chin is asleep. But it can take a year for the nerves to completely heal. And so you won't know if the numbness is permanent or not for quite a while.
Can't really think of anything else to share. But feel free to ask me anything that you want.
No questions, but damn, dude. Glad it all seems to have worked out in the end. Really does sound like it was fricking torture.
Frick, man. Read it all. I hope you're okay now.
God damn I’m glad I haven’t had to do something like this
goddamn homie thats hardcore as frick. what painkillers dod you get and was it worth it.
I'm pretty sure the prescription painkillers were Hydrocodone. But I could only take them for the first couple of weeks. I also had to take liquid Tylenol and Ibuprofen every 3 hours. And so I'd take Tylenol at noon, Ibuprofen at 3, Tylenol again at 6, et cetera, all day for like 2 and 1/2 months. This regimen worked okay-ish for managing my pain. But it was the ear pain caused by TMJ which destroyed me. And the weird thing about it is that it was positional. So it would ramp up to like a 7/10 when I was sitting in certain positions like while driving, but not while sitting in my recliner, at least not usually. But when I laid down to go to sleep, it would quickly ramp up to 9/10. It felt like someone was jabbing an icepick into my eardrum. But then it would dissipate almost immediately once I stood up and walked around. I just hope it doesn't come back because that would completely ruin my life.
I'm doing okay now. The biggest complications is my inability to speak properly. My words are still super slurred. I'm also still wearing braces - which is a pain in the ass. I've had them on for over 4 years straight. Hopefully, I can finally get them removed in October or November.
Fricking hell that's brutal as shit. Not super regretful I coped with a genioplasty.
I could take it. Too bad I live in 2nd world shithole and are most likely dying of small bowel cancer so my dreams of v line are in the shitter
It's mostly dangerous and expensive
That's why you advance genetics so people can avoid skull deformations and thus actual ugliness altogether
Studying phenotypic expression is a nightmare. 20,000 genes are most of them are multi-function and co-dominant. We've identified almost 200 genes responsible for just balding, as an example. Logstically it'll take centuries to understand how every gene is expressed.
With enough motivstion and stubborness it's still possible + there are common pathways that are responsible for most of widespread deformations/diseases so it's not like everything is in your way
yeah the idea that women can select pretty genes when even chad has plenty of ugly Black person genes just waiting to be recombined the wrong way is hilarious
but of course the idea that female sexual selection acts as any form of eugenics at all can be immediately disproven by simply walking outside. 200000+ years of female sexual selection, multiple brutal genetic bottlenecks, and the average guy is still ugly and moronic
women evolved to be psychopaths for literally no reason, and that's how you know god isn't real
+ years of female sexual selection, multiple brutal genetic bottlenecks, and the average guy is still ugly and morone
Random distribution of alleles during meiosis causes our genetic distribution to follow the central limit theorem. It's very possible for a sperm to get none of the expressed traits a women chose her man for. Or a slight mutation when he was 12 removed that nice chin from all his gametes entirely lol
Scientists might not understand how each gene affects a phenotypic trait for a very long time, but AI will still figure it out and allow us to modify virtually every single phenotypic trait that you can think of, and probably in the next 10 to 20 years. Researchers have already figured out how to create DNA-based predictors for highly polygenic phenotypic traits like adult human height back in 2017. They took ginormous genomic data sets like the UK Biobank and used an algorithm that was created by a Finnish mathematician in the mid 2000s for the oil and gas industry in order to find useful patterns of information within that ocean of genomic data. They fed this algorithm hundreds of thousands of Brits' genomes + their height, and were able to create a height predictor that was accurate to within an inch. And the reason why that was such a major breakthrough is because human height is one of the most highly polygenic phenotypic traits for whatever reasons. There's thousands of genes and alleles involved in determining how tall someone will be (once you control for environmental factors like diet). And so if researchers can create a human height predictor, then they should be able to use that same technique to create DNA-based predictors for virtually every other phenotypic trait as well, regardless of how complex it is. From what I read, IQ is the most complex polygenic trait involving like 20,000 different genes. But that will eventually get cracked as well. They just need like 1,000,000 people's genomes + their IQ scores, and then an algorithm should be able to create an IQ predictor based on that. Eventually some lab somewhere will fund that, if they haven't already.
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Since this height predictor got published, researchers from all around the world have been churning out polygenic predictors for all sorts of phenotypic traits like cancer risk, heart disease risk, diabetes risk, chronic depression risk, schizophrenia risk, autism risk, BMI, bone density, academic performance, and even adult socioeconomic status. And so, right now, parents can walk into a fertility clinic that's on the cutting edge of this research, have the woman's embryo's harvested, genetically sequenced, and placed in super cooled liquid nitrogen for long-term storage, and then the parents can get a detailed phenotypic profile for each embryo. So, for example, embryo 1 might might be 6'2" tall, average BMI, 140 IQ, high adult socioeconomic status, and low disease risk, while embryo 2 might be 5'6", high BMI, 80 IQ, low adult socioeconomic status, and high disease risk. Obviously, most parents are going to select embryo 1 for implantation. And in order to be relevant to this thread, eventually they'll create DNA-based polygenic predictors for jaw size and function as well, and so parents will be able to select against people like me who have insanely screwed up jaws. By the way, only a decade ago, most scientists, even most geneticists, thought it would take hundreds of years to pull this off. And then once scientists, or AI, figure out where exactly in the human genome to make edits in order to maximize desirable phenotypic traits while simultaneously avoiding harmful pleiotropic effects, that's when creating humans will be designing characters in a video game. You'll only be limited by your own imagination. And again, that's maybe 20 years away tops, not centuries, especially since AI continues to get more and more advanced, and because these 2 revolutionary technologies are self-reinforcing. Smarter AI will create smarter humans, smarter humans will create even better AI, so on and so forth. And so this century is going to be absolutely wild.
There is no such thing as genetics as you think there is.
Sorry to hear that. Honestly, it's not THAT dangerous since it's pretty rare for people to die from jaw surgery. The recovery is just absolutely brutal. At least it was for me. I follow /r/JawSurgery, and you'll see some people say that it's a walk in the park, while people like me will freak you out by describing how God awful it was. And I have no idea why there's such a huge gulf in the recovery process from one person to the next. For me, being nearly 40 probably explains part of the reason why my recovery was so bad since most people get this done when they're 18-21. The biggest risk is complications like permanent pain and dumbness, screwed up aesthetic results, and relapse - which is my worst nightmare because I really, really don't want to go through this again.
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I wish every country on the planet had a good and cheap healthcare system like they do in most of Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, Singapore, et cetera. Allowing people to suffer and fleecing desperate people is evil.
i got a genioplasty, didn’t do jaw correction because i like my overbite. pretty easy recovery of eating soft foods for 2 weeks and wait about 2 months for swelling to reduce
Would you recommend a genioplasty for me?
Honestly, yes. It would make you look a lot better.
still healing
What procedure?
>children are born ugly asf
Korean men have started sueing their now attractive wives for not showing their husband what the looked like before surgery because their kids are being born so fricking ugly.
Achievement unlocked: Fellow white people
>frick these chicks
>children come out with israelite nose types
Kek, hope they get together with poltards and ruin their lives and they start coping with calling them 'roman' noses.
>jaw surgery is bad...
By the way, it's not common to get a nose job along with your jaw surgery. Most oral surgeons only care about the proper function of your jaws. Your aesthetic appearance is secondary to them. It's only the Gucci private clinics like LACOMS that will focus on both function and aesthetics and do things like nose jobs and adding bone grafts to your chin or whatever.
But one of the nice bonuses of getting double jaw surgery is that you'll sometimes get a free nose job out of the process. My upper jaw was moved forward so much that it actually straightened out my nose a bit and have me slightly more prominent cheekbones.
But I recommend going balls deep when you get these kinds of surgeries. Your recovery is going to be hellish and expensive anyway (mine cost about $17,000, and I have really good insurance), and so you might as well looksmaxx as much as you can. If I could do it all over, I'd probably go to LACOMS and just fork over the $25,000-$50,000 for their total facial reconstruction package.
Also, I don't recommend cheaping out and getting these types of surgeries in Turkey or wherever. They're too dangerous and life affecting to worry about money. If you can't afford to get it done by a highly rated surgeon, then don't do it.
Hahahahha this homie looked like the turtle from land before time
Is there any non-surgical procedure you can do to reduce a bulbous tip and make your nose a bit slimmed down?