>have one Eastern European guy in gym that used to train wrestling
>every other person that trains some other martial art says wrestling is useless
>they start sparring and the match literally ends when the wrestler grabs them
Is wrestling really that bad as WEU and Americans say?
>Is wrestling really that bad as WEU and Americans say?
where do americans say wrestling sucks
this board? wrestling constantly gets sucked off here
martial arts forums, martial arts videos on yt
never seen this, idk, theyre just moronic i guess
aikido? Tai chi?
Wrestling gets sucked off on youtube as well. https://youtu.be/ACXakVE4l_c
I have never heard anyone shit talk wrestling, it is one of the most meme’d up martial arts, for good reason though
Nobody shits on wrestling, the biggest problem with it is the toll that it takes on your body
It creeped up into BJJ over the last few years and now it's part of our regular training
what makes wrestling unhealthy?
is it the training? the dieting for the lower weight classes?
or is it the sport it self?
idk because I never did any wrestling, but judokas and bjj guys in my country all have injuries so I think it's not something exclusive to wrestling but all combat sports
It's everything you mentioned
Wrestling is designed to be grueling, take your soul and have the 0.1% survive. The 0.1% jacked 20 year olds that survive will now slam into each other on an almost weekly basis so you find out who's cut out for 0.01% and 0.001%, WEIGHT CUTS INCLUDED.
Just the "warmups" can be enough to make you puke, and not to mention outdated exercises like neck bridges that are meant to frick up your neck and spine.
Mind you, that's different from me practicing single legs, grip fights, trips etc. at a BJJ practice, and being completely fine in my 30s (and further). You're right about injuries, and wrestling especially burns the candle on both ends. How many guys train BJJ in their 50s, and how many train wrestling in their 50s?
This is purely an American wrestling phenomenon that was mainly popularized by Iowa.
The Russians don’t train like this and they are the most successful wrestling nation on earth.
LMAO ok Ivan
You can train grappling without routinely hurting each other.
Bro, even Japan is more successful than the US in wrestling. Lower your voice.
What do you mean? Look up history of world competitions. Russians have dominated for a long time. This is pretty well known in the wrestling community.
I’m not saying American wrestling is bad, just pointing out the Russians don’t train like that and are very, very successful.
The meat grinder approach to wretsling (to any sports training, really), is puely American and is not done in other countries. I know I say this a lot but it cannot be overstated. American sports systems are a fricking joke and can only work because being an athlete is something that is culturally and socially enviable in the US, meaning there is a huge pool of meat to grind. It's absically that one M&Ms copypasta, only with (very stupid) humans. Ofc it produces a few very strong and capable people, or rather, it sieves out the strongest people in the land. But it's not a developemntal program at all, just a sharpening program.
>outdated exercises like neck bridges that are meant to frick up your neck and spine
nonsense, bridges are the safe exercise. neck machines and harnesses frick you up
>what makes getting dumped on your spine and explosive movements that demolish your knees for 15 years straight bad for you???????
all sports consistently and seriously trained hurt you, don't be a homosexual
Yes and no
There is a massive difference in the type and frequency of injury sustained in contact sports vs non contact sports and wrestling is a 100% contact sport.
>what makes wrestling unhealthy
concrete
Look, guys, if you practice any combat sport even a tad seriously, you MUST take extremely good care of your body. This means, above all, to stretch and actively condition your body several times per week, if not every day. Maintaining healthy habits in general (rest, diet) is also important. You cannot put that kind of stress on your organism during practice three to five days a week or more and do absolutely nothing besides that for the rest of the time. Injuries will come regardless, but how long you sustain them and how frequently you get them will be determined by what I mentioned above.
Wrestling is legit the absolute best fighting sport. UFC proves this time and time again
Wrestling was legit the most fun I had highschool . Experimenting with takedowns, setups and finishing moves then exciting them perfectly was the greatest euphoria I felt in my life. Particularly loved to blast double and cradle anybody I was able to get my hand to.
Damn I wish I did wrestling in high school, but honestly I wasn't interested in it back then. Now that I'm a lot heavier I'd like to learn how to use my size to my advantage. My friend kinda knows some bjj, you think that's a good place to start?
did it for a year and half and quit because of burnout and fricked up my back . I regret quitting the sport . I also regret not play football in highschool . Frick being a linebacker looks so much fun.
> My friend kinda knows some bjj, you think that's a good place to start?
Its a fun enough sports(not as fun as wrestling though) , too much ground game and not enough takedowns though.
Lmao this homie can’t tell when people talk about pro wrestling vs real wrestling, op u dumb.
I’d wager it has something to do with the popularity of BJJ. It teaches you ground skills and submissions while most people’s perception of wrestling is either WWE meme tier stuff or just pinning people which lacks the effectiveness of submissions in an MMA environment.
I agree that wrestling is very underrated these days.
ever seen street fight vids? it's fricking OVER once the wrestler slams the other guy just once
And then Tyrone comes and kicks you in the head
By all means train whatever discipline you want, but if you're around the type of people who start 'street fights' you might be a Black person, and even if you are a Black person, stay on your fricking feet
>And then Tyrone comes and kicks you in the head
Nobody said you had to follow them to the ground. Throw them on their head and then throw Tyrone too
Tyronepilled
Europoors boasting about having Black personmaxxed their countries
Wrestling is amazing, because it focuses on position over everything. The guy who's is the better position and able to constantly get back there or improve will be awarded more points in wrestling matches. You've gotta have the fitness holy trinity of strength speed and cardio just to be competitive. Jujitsu is great, but people look for submissions from positions that really only work in jujitsu rule sets, because alot of high level guys pull gaurd, but that's really risky when strikes are allowed. Judo is great as well, but the rules make it less applicable outside of judo competition, because so many techniques use the gi and they are trained not to touch legs from standing, besides trips. Wrestling shows you how to dominate another opponent without threat of serious injury, which is its biggest strength and drawback. It's helps you learn to control a very unmanageable opponent and always be in a position to hurt them. However with pure wrestling, you aren't taught how to finish your opponents or how to keep them from finishing you, so you will put your head/neck in bad position without thinking some dude might try and strangle you. In reality, alot of wrestlers are moving into the no gi jujitsu scene, so I'm not surprised to really just hear people call it grappling because you need a combination of all the grappling martial arts to be relevant.
wrestling is great in a 1 on 1
like in a control somebody scenario or if somebody tries to grab you hold you down or something
anything more and you probably get your shit pushed in
while boxer still have a chance to have a lucky one shot even multiple people
its a great sport though very athelthic
crazy stamina, flexibility and strenght 10/10 could recommand
>wrestling is great in a 1 on 1
>like in a control somebody scenario or if somebody tries to grab you hold you down or something
There are ways to make it work in a group fight. You can take someone as a hostage or just blast single/double leg takedowns and stand back up after slamming people. You people also severely underestimate how easy it is to KO people with ungloved punches. In boxing matches real KOs only happen less than 10% of the time, and that's between professionals with 16oz gloves.
just search Aleksandr Karelin on youtube and you tell me if you think wrestling is bad after seeing that guy
Wrestling is an amazing martial art, especially if you integrate it with a bunch of simple judo throws and basic standup. Look at how wrestlers dominate the UFC (Cejudo, Khabib, Jon Jones, DC, Usman, Makhachev, …). It is somewhat useless againsg multiple opponents though, as you will get curbstomped into oblivion by the other opponents if you take only one down
>as you will get curbstomped into oblivion by the other opponents if you take only one down
You'll get curbstomped into oblivion by the other opponents + the guy you would've taken down if you did striking anyways. I never understood this argument, it's completely irrelevant.
Haha, what? Americans are literally the only people who think wrestling is usable in an actual fight. Probably because Americans suck at unarmed fighting and replaced it with guns and sports matches decades ago.
In Europe, wrestlers get literally killed in street fights. It doesn't work when people DGAF about rules and conduct.
Wrestling is a civilized sport, where two men can spar until one establishes dominance and then part as friends. Unfortunately we live in a niggrified age and thus savage sports like boxing where the only option to establish dominance is killing the opponent are favored
From the thumbnail it looks like the dudes in red are laughing at him
I love wrestling but I'm getting old, man. I got rekt yesterday. However, adopting a brahmachari lifestyle and turning from my cooming ways will make me a titan and preserve my strength well into middle age. Retaining all semen starting yesterday.
I have never, literally not once, heard anyone shit talk wrestling