I understand there are many positions where your joints, muscles or spine are vulnerable and that lifting heavy in these situations is highly dangerous.
However, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that I should just accept being weak in those movements and never addressing that, it seems like I'm just counting on luck that I will never in life accidently put stress on my spine while it's curved, or any load on my shoulders in an awkward angle. I think these weak spots should be trained too in order to increase resilience, just maybe not the same way you train everything else.
There are plenty of training methods that don't involve going to failure or using heavy weights and that can still lead to some moderate strength and muscle gains, so why not save them for the "dangerous" snap city exercises and positions in order to mitigate injury risk and see what happens? If there is some type of progressive overload there will be adaptation.
Anyway tell me why I shouldn't do this.
Do it, and then post it on /gif/
Training normally will increase your durability in compromised positions. Those positions are weak relative to your overall strength. If you can deadlift 5pl8, deadlifting 2pl8 with shitty form is extremely unlikely to hurt you. You don't need to train in those exact positions to strengthen them and doing so increases your risk of injury. Certain specific exercises like Jefferson curls are good, but that's more because of misconceptions that rounding the spine is inherently bad.
This.
If you can lift above average on normal lifts, your body is strong enough to handle bad form with average weights.
Id like to add there are things that you cannot really train, unless you actually want to specialize in these movementa. E.g. you will almost certainly spdain your shoulder or elbow if you armwrestle + have a chance to vreak your bone.
Sprains happen because your tendons are not accustomed to these movements and bones break because there is a twisting motion that bone structure, even strong, is simply not familiar with, and never has grown any layer to counter it.
Jumping awkwardly has a way greater chance of injury than squatting. There is not much you can do othet than strengthen surrounding muscles with good technique and form on normal exercises.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3966561/
The forces applied can be 8x body weight on the hip and 10x on the ankle.
Strength is not bending your spine under heavy load.
Strength is preventing your spine from bending too much under heavy load.
>I understand there are many positions where your joints, muscles or spine are vulnerable and that lifting heavy in these situations is highly dangerous.
There aren't. Flexion is a core function of your spine that you are DESIGNED to do. There is absolutely nothing more inherently injurious about bending your spine than any other position. Stop listening to nocebo peddlers. They are the one's actually getting you hurt.
>However, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that I should just accept being weak in those movements and never addressing that, it seems like I'm just counting on luck that I will never in life accidently put stress on my spine while it's curved, or any load on my shoulders in an awkward angle. I think these weak spots should be trained too in order to increase resilience, just maybe not the same way you train everything else.
You're starting to peer through the veil, anon.
>Anyway tell me why I shouldn't do this.
There is literally no reason. If you train spinal flexion you will build a back of pure steel anon. Picrel literally makes DYEL pencilnecks quiver and shake in fear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8KMn1R67Ec
Dumb Black person.
Training stability under load gives you ability to bend your spine under load. Doing tons of loaded flexion is moronic.
Haviland shows off his loaded flexion SOMETIMES, do you really think he always trains that way you dumb frick? Most of his training is heavy carrying. That builds a base for being able to flex under load.
>Training stability under load gives you ability to bend your spine under load. Doing tons of loaded flexion is moronic.
During the Bronze Era novices were universally told to BEGIN with jefferson curls before they work up to deadlifts. It was considered a more fundamental movement pattern than the straight-backed hip hinge. And these two things are different. Anti-flexion is not the same thing as flexion, and though there is obvious carry-over, both need to be trained directly.
Okay fine I’m interested. Why is this knowledge lost in the past? Why do they want us to have weak backs these days?
Also look at picrel. This dudes lumbar region is actually not bending at all. There is a small flat area, but the rest of the spine bends. You need strong anti flexion muscles to allow this.
Listen, I'm not telling you to train spinal anti-flexion. Good mornings are an absolutely god-tier excercise. Just do your zercher deadlifts and jefferson curls as well.
>Why is this knowledge lost in the past? Why do they want us to have weak backs these days?
Like most of this nocebo bullshit it has its origins in some gay and moronic scientific papers from like the 70s that has been spread around as infallible dogma by physios ever since. This propaganda has been so influential that most normies will literally start feeling their backs or knees ache when they see someone do a sissy squat or bend their spine.
how can you be this fricking moronic?
do you at all realize how fricking stupid you look right now, how you're fricking embarrassing yourself? stop fricking posting you absolute drooling moron.
have a nice day subhuman trash.
you're such a fricking moron.
Did my insight rustle your jimmies?
Do you have a weak core and back?
You are fricking moron.
First of all, for zercher squats or exercises like moving stone, you are supposed to keep your spine in the same position through out the whole movement.
Our brain literaly doesn't allow you to lift heavy if there is not enough of pressure in your abdominal to support the spine. Moving your spine you can't mantain the pressure in your abdomen.
For some controlled movements like jefferson curls or without any weight it's ok to bend your spine any way you want. But not for loaded exercises.
The exercise you presented as the evidence, recuires to keep abdominal pressure and to keep the spine in the same position.
Why don't champions in powerlifting ever round their back on deadlifts? Rounding their back would provide much better leverages and they would be able to lift more... but they aren't as moronic as you are.
Glassback cope.
His lumbar spine is straight.
His thoracic spine is curved, which is fine.
Not a single person lifts heavy weight with a curved lumbar spine.
Want to add *not a single person lifts heavy with a curved lumbar spine unless they are mentally challenged, weak, or some combo
I don't know what all them fancy labcoat words mean, but you sound moronic. I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing.
Spoken like a true glassback
Everything about his spine is curved. Keep embarrassing yourself drooling moron, you've already lost.
>Flexion is a core function of your spine that you are DESIGNED to do. There is absolutely nothing more inherently injurious about bending your spine than any other position.
Yes, but yu are also not designed to lift more than 100kg/220lbs or so because you're not gonna lift and carry much more than a deer irl.
I am entierly unconcerned with what my body is "designed" to do.
IQ 89 take
>when you're a such a glassback fricking moron mouthbreather you have to redefine what strength is
And then he has the gaul to accompany his God awful post with Tom Haviland, who does a shitton of unconventional lifts that curve his spine.
>he has the gaul
The gaul? Really? Pic related?
yep
u should be fine if u do it properly. ive been lifting heavy for more than a decade and the only times i got injured (actually injured, tendon detachment/tear/partial tear of muscle) was due to doing things i shouldnt be doing, ending in places i shouldnt end up etc. they also didnt happen overnight it was usually a buildup over 1-1.5 months before the snap. what i mean by places and things i shouldnt be doing? things like abusing momentum, doing exercises that are well know for causing injury without preparation/form checking etc. these injuries dont just happen unless you keep abusing your joints for extended period of time or do something super moronic like attempting 150kg bench when ur max is 110kg
I have been training for 15+ years including movements like heavy deadlifts and good mornings. I recently got an MRI of my back due to an unrelated issue, and the doctor was amazed that my spine was in perfect shape, especially compared to other people my age. This shit is actually the fountain of youth if you do it properly.
You are 100% correct aside from calling them """""""""""""""high risk""""""""""""" if you gradually overload them and start with low weight you will become more resilient than anybody
>like I'm just counting on luck that I will never in life accidently put stress on my spine while it's curved,
It's not luck. You're counting on having a strong back that won't let it curve under resistance and no weaknesses and imbalances that cause immobility forcing you to curve it.
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How can I push through the pain of a back injury?
I herniated my L5-S1 disc and doctors told me to stop lifting.
I got angry and kept lifting.
Pushed through the pain.
Sometimes it hurt so bad I was sweating and dizzy.
Super sharp pain all the way down to my toe.
Couldn’t lift my foot.
The worse it got, the more I wanted to push through it.
One day during heavy deadlifts I felt an electric shock in my whole body, and I lost control of my bladder.
Literally peed myself in the gym.
Later that night, I shat the bed without even realizing.
It only took a week to regain control of my bladder and bowels.
I’m still trying to deadlift heavy.
How to push through and develop a strong back?
Wtf bro, why would you do that? Find some movement that doesn't hurt and slowly progress at it. If that means deadlifting the bar than so be it.
It’s not because of deadlifting though… pain and symptoms are biopsychosocial.
My brain is tricking my body into pain and shitting myself.
Seriously most people have herniated discs and don’t feel anything.
If I do more deadlifts and things like Jefferson curls, I’m hoping to overcome it.
Zased.
You're gonna put yourself in a wheelchair
No one gets put in a wheelchair cause of lifting weights you fear mongerer
Would he have been saved by applying the biopsychosocial model from barbell medicine? Or maybe from Jefferson curls?
>the only example he can provide is the greatest outlier on the planet
you could have just gotten a random gif of a guy going to snap city and you chose him of all people?
Ronnie is an actually a great example, because what crippled him wasn’t deadlifting 700, but deadlifting after his surgery when his doctors and his body was telling him to take a break. If you ignore sharp and or chronic pain you are asking to frick yourself up, no matter if you’re using 700 or 200 lbs.
This, my point exactly. He could've recovered and been completely fine but tried to power through like a moron and crippled himself. Ronnie has gone on record numerous times as having hurt himself, ignored medical advice, and lifted through the pain until it was unbearable. Now he's doing holistic "medicine" in the UAE to try to fix it, just as moronic as ever.
I hope this story is real lmao you're so fricking moronic
keep going bro you're almost there
Leaving humanity behind and literally sharting on DYELs
there is a surgery in which they will remove your dysfunctional l5-s1 disc and fusion together the l5 and s1 bones. i am not sure but i think you might be able to lift safely again afterwards.
You start with light weight and slowly work up. Your body will adapt if you train and don't do dipshit high rep shit early on.
Lifting with an arch in your back does nothing to “strengthen” yourself in those positions it’s literally only going to have a negative effect and the fact you can’t see that makes me want to ask DYEL and post body
ayyy bruh fr fr fr on god aint these shawties know yall gon mess your back up on god yall lift like that tho? on god tho they aint have that zyzz physique that gymshark slick tho. fr stethic shawties know yall gon snap yall aint keep you back straight
Come on Black person, do it
Then when you get hurt you can cry about it on your tiktok
(Frick you IST"Error: Our system thinks your post is spam." my ass)
ROM and clean technique are overrated by autists BUT you should grow up and ignore your weeb Baki fantasies.
Work out with bad form, just do it at incredibly low weights, only after your main movements done properly. Do all you would normally do, everything you're worried about progressively overloading. Get your squats and deadlifts done or fahves or whatever followed by whatever accessories and isolations for hypertrophy, sure. Then and only then do maybe some stiff legged deads with a rounded back at just 65 lbs or whatever. Use literal baby weight. Don't worry about progressive overload for these ones. Just get some comfortable work done recruiting at these less than ideal positions.
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What's to bump for? Do this
Carve the motor patterns of moving through bad technique as well, without the acute stress of doing it by surprise on a bad day under real weight.