Is there seriously anybody who actually thinks HIT is the best way to train? Or even a good way for that matter.
Mentzer was either a moron or a grifter. He used the Colorado experiment as evidence of HIT being extremely effective, and that leaves only two options.
He was a literal moron who took the results at face value and actually believed that the guy was 2% bodyfat.
Or that he knew it was bullshit, but pushed it anyway to promote his ideology.
Yes.
You should be doing full-body 4-6 times per week hitting every muscle between 2-4x per week, the exact frequency determined intuitively by what's fresh and what's not.
Traps grow like weeds and recover almost by the next day. Chest takes a beating and needs a few days off. Lat raises can be spammed, lower back volume needs to be treated with care.
Mentzer just got a little crazy later in his career. He actually built his muscle with high volume training, and just maintained it with low volume training which isn't too surprising.
Natty bodybuilding is a waste of time. That's why training for strength makes more sense when you're natural. And bodybuilding makes more sense if you're on roids due to injury risks.
you have to source the study and show what these abbreviations mean. strength training is not the sport of weight lifting as this table implies. But this is all irrelevant. Being natural you'd always look small and unimpressive unless you're willing to get fat
I see. I won't be reading it as it seems it doesn't actually pertain to the discussion. The injury incidence was never a point. The point is that natural bodybuilding is a waste of time because you'll always be small and unesthetic. That's why training for strength makes more sense for a natural
>strength training is not the sport of weight lifting as this table implies.
This statement alone shows that you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. You really don't. The strength trainer focuses on moving the weight, the bodybuilder focuses on squeezing the muscle and range of motion etc.
You saying that just shows how much of a novice you are at lifting.
>strength training is not the sport of weight lifting as this table implies.
This statement alone shows that you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. You really don't. The strength trainer focuses on moving the weight, the bodybuilder focuses on squeezing the muscle and range of motion etc.
You saying that just shows how much of a novice you are at lifting.
>The strength trainer focuses on moving the weight, the bodybuilder focuses on squeezing the muscle and range of motion etc.
Actually a more accurate way to put it is.
Strength trainer focuses on how much weight they can move.
Bodybuilder focuses on getting big muscles in specific proportion.
8 months ago
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and hit gays bon't lift but post about how they are so big while never proving it
Nobody does Mentzer style HIT anymore so I think that is proof enough
HIT shills simply follow what the algorithm is pushing on youtube shorts/tiktok/instagram reels
most of you have never even heard of mentzer or HIT until a few months ago
Bullshit aside though, i believe HIT is good to have just not how everyone perceives it. I use HIT as a final set along with my regular resistance and volume training. For me its just something to do to build more time under tension and gain quality strength to put another plate or two on the bar eventually.
This is pretty much what I do. Arnold-style volume training building up to one balls to the wall high-intensity set on each exercise. Nothing has gotten me better results.
he's likely more qualified to comment than you or other anons
https://i.imgur.com/1LTQs8O.jpg
its funny that he says right at the beginning that Mentzer "was a good bodybuilder.. not the best" when he's not a very good bodybuilder either
this is the most annoying part of Isreal, he constantly frames things as if his way is the objective and only right way, when it's pretty clear it's not producing results (for example look at some of his stage shots).
results are what matters, and its pretty clear what approaches are consistently putting people on stage and improving them year after year
i'm not even a hitgay im just tired of isreal and his smug attitude
see: Eric Helms, Brad Schoenfeld, Greg Nuckols, Menno Henselmens
size isn't a qualification
kek he actually sounded like he likes hit
in the video he said he did HIT for a number of years during highschool/early training
>Brad Schoenfeld
another fraud. watch the video of brad working out with john meadows to see the pathetic effort he considers "failure". it's literally a warmup set and he taps out as failure.
no wonder his research has supported high weekly volumes of 30+ sets per muscle when that is his metric for failure.
>he's likely more qualified to comment than you or other anons
why? his results are completely divorced from reality. he has not made any progress in 3 years on his physique as a bodybuilder. if his evidence based methods were so superior then why are they not producing anything noteworthy.
inb4 "well he doesn't take bodybuilding seriously"
yeah bro, he's just blasting those high doses of roids for the wellness benefits of high blood pressure and cholesterol.
>another fraud. watch the video of brad working out with john meadows to see the pathetic effort he considers "failure"
I don't really care if he jerks off into his own face and calls it training
his physical appearance does not undermine his research in the field
being big isn't a qualification
>why? his results are completely divorced from reality
because he has shit insertions, he's short, and if he wants to look bigger he needs more gear
I'm sure he's also well aware of all the other roidtrannies dying and has openly stated he's looking forward to going off cycle one day
not sure why your whole post is so angry
spend some time outside today
>his physical appearance does not undermine his research in the field
where in my post do you see me mentioning his physical appearance, you illiterate moron.
watch the video to see what he considers failure. he could have easily gotten 4+ reps more but says he's at failure. >hurr why is this important
because if he can't accurately gauge failure, then his research into effective volumes is going to be unreliable and inflated
>where in my post do you see me mentioning his physical appearance, you illiterate moron.
I already addressed this, see: >I don't really care if he jerks off into his own face and calls it training
I'll rephrase my statement so you can understand better >his training does not undermine his research in the field
>because if he can't accurately gauge failure, then his research into effective volumes is going to be unreliable and inflated
we already know that RIR estimation by both trained and untrained individuals is relatively accurate for the sake of studies
9 months ago
Anonymous
>his training does not undermine his research in the field
Yes it does. If he doesn't know what failure is then how can you trust him to conduct a study on it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
his entire body of work isn't "how close can this trained/undertrained lifter estimate their proximity to failure"
also, you're not him, so using one video as your source of "hurr he trains everything 5RIR+ LOL NOOB" is flawed
there could be a million reasons - maybe it was a deload, maybe he didn't want to bust his balls on some youtube video, maybe it interferred with his training - I don't know and neither do you
also with the power of google, I have learned that he is somewhat qualified to talk on this topic >About the author (2021) Brad Schoenfeld, PhD, CSCS,*D, CSPS,*D, NSCA-CPT,*D, FNSCA, is internationally regarded as one of the foremost authorities on muscle hypertrophy. The 2011 National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA) Personal Trainer of the Year, Schoenfeld is a lifetime drug-free bodybuilder who has won multiple natural bodybuilding titles.
anyway, since we've argued substantially over this c**t, did you want to argue about the other people in my post as well? I've got time to waste
I'll give you some extra time and you can post your qualifications on what makes you an expert in this field
9 months ago
Anonymous
>also, you're not him, so using one video as your source of "hurr he trains everything 5RIR+ LOL NOOB" is flawed
there could be a million reasons - maybe it was a deload, maybe he didn't want to bust his balls on some youtube video, maybe it interferred with his training - I don't know and neither do you
Actually in the video he says it's a failure set, but thank you for showing me and everybody else in this thread that either you haven't even seen the video, or you're misremembering due to your biases.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Actually in the video he says it's a failure set, but thank you for showing me and everybody else in this thread that either you haven't even seen the video, or you're misremembering due to your biases.
didn't watch, didn't care
would you care to address the actual point, rather than if I watched a youtube video of someone working out?
is brad schoenfeld recognised and qualified in the hypertrophy research field or not?
>And Dorian Yates is more qualified than him lmao
I tried finding any papers published, certifications, qualifications or anything for him
care to share them?
big =/= qualified
9 months ago
Anonymous
So you admit to arguing about a video you didn't even bother to watch. Not only that but you spoke about it as if you'd seen it.
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To anybody reading this, go to 1:34 in the above video to see Brad's clearly defined 'failure set', with absolutely garbage intensity. This guy's trying to claim Brad had some reason for this when John Meadows is clearly saying 'failure set'... Failure set'. He'll google Brad's education credentials but won't check a youtube video for twenty seconds.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>To anybody reading this >This guy's trying to claim Brad had some reason for this when John Meadows is clearly saying 'failure set'... Failure set'. He'll google Brad's education credentials but won't check a youtube video for twenty seconds.
where do you think you are? writing some weird pseudo-manifesto >HELLO ANYONE OUT THERE I'M BEING BULLIED, CALL IN SUPPORT
maybe they should revoke all of his qualifications and asterisk his research papers due to him lying about this one failure set on a youtube video
9 months ago
Anonymous
Pay attention to this, people, he was trying to be an intellectual before but then he got exposed for not watching the material that he was talking about so now his posts have a memeing quality as if he's been not taking things seriously the entire time. Brother you were serious as a heart attack in a nursing home when you were copy-pasting Brad Schoenfelds credentials earlier, what changed? Could it be making shit up about a video you never even saw?
8 months ago
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>the guy who supposed cares about science and evidence based practices can't even bother to watch a video before constructing his arguments against it
many such cases
>his physical appearance does not undermine his research in the field
It's literally BODYBUILDING, it's all about how you LOOK. Why the frick am I going to listen to some moron that looks like a HUMAN SIZED TUMOR saying FANCY WORDS when I can just listen to someone that ACTUALLY looks GOOD?
If you can't even make yourself look GOOD with all your moronic """"RESEARCH"""", then what's the fricking point?
nta and ive never heard of brad schoenfeld. just wanted to say john meadows is a king, its unfortunate he gets forgotten by so many. he was a god of intensity and such a nice, intelligent dude. RIP mountain dog
i miss him alot too. i was actually so sad when he died because it was obvious that he was kind hearted and had no malice toward anyone.
im still subbed and his family keeps uploading more content and every time i see it in my feed I get upset
poor guy had a kid as well who was devastated
>watch the video of brad working out with john meadows to see the pathetic effort he considers "failure"
I smell a fellow lyle mcdonald enjoyer
Must be the smell of raw testosterone
>more qualified
He looks like dogshit and doesn't even know what he's talking about.
He legit looks like a lvl 90 Jason Genova.
Compare him to Mentzer or Yates who looked like made out of marble and clearly knew what they were doing.
You think Yates would've accomplished anything if he had israelitetel's genetics? Bodybuilding is 99% talent 1% willingness to take copious amounts of gear.
its funny that he says right at the beginning that Mentzer "was a good bodybuilder.. not the best" when he's not a very good bodybuilder either
this is the most annoying part of Isreal, he constantly frames things as if his way is the objective and only right way, when it's pretty clear it's not producing results (for example look at some of his stage shots).
results are what matters, and its pretty clear what approaches are consistently putting people on stage and improving them year after year
i'm not even a hitgay im just tired of isreal and his smug attitude
that might be true but it's not an excuse to show up completely deconditioned. he is obviously not stage ready in that photo and it's insulting he even got on stage in that condition, he looks terrible (by bodybuilding standards)
That’s not from the show he did a couple weeks ago, is it? I follow him on ig, he looked better than this, but the truth is his genetics suck, and you’d think a guy bright enough to get a PhD would realize the cost/benefit ratio on his health. Plus, he already looks like he’s in his 50’s and he just turned 39 wtf
Israetel completely misses a crucial part of hit, which is: as you get bigger and stronger, the stress you inflict on your body goes up, therefore the amount of rest you need increases.
Israetel mentions multiple times that the "maximum recoverable volume" is different for each person and some people can afford to train more than others. This is true, but additionally the maximum recoverable volume changes for each individual as they progress. All those "scientific studies" that prove higher volume/frequency is better are done on beginners and intermediates. Failing to grasp the above relationship, they find what's best for the study participants only at that specific moment in time.
>the maximum recoverable volume changes for each individual as they progress >Failing to grasp the above relationship, they find what's best for the study participants only at that specific moment in time.
Here he talks about the above so he clearly does not fail to grasp this above relationship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSehq8HxHdg&t=709s
The psychological projection in this post is funny
>so he just ignores it and continues to sell bullshit to dweebs lol
Turns in to this and reveals that you just confessed to what you are doing >so I just ignores it[the video, what he says] and continues to post bullshit to anons lol
What are you even trying to say? The guy prescribes a minimum volume, acknowledges that volume needs go way the hell down when you get strong, and then continues to tell people to get more volume.
just lol
RP specifically calls this out in every hypertrophy segment. Big, strong, highly trained? You might only need 1.5x chest sessions a week (1 heavy, 1 active recovery). Small and weak? You can probably bench 3x per week.
Mentzer is an Ayn Rand loving moron who concludes that everyone just needs 1x set to failure for no reason whatsoever.
lets listen to a roider that is surrounded by roiders that reads research done on college age males in their prime that are most of the time novice lifters and the study length is 8-12 weeks and base an entire 50-60 year lifting career off of that.
this
friendly reminder that israelite israetel was a fat and out of shape powerlifter before he hopped on gear and then completely plateau'd with a trash physique.
he's actively competing and his physique looks the exact same as it did 3 years ago. his advice doesn't even work for himself.
remember to buy the """"RP hypertrophy app"""" though goy
i was making more of a general statement about him. Exercise science isn't a very objective science since all the research is done on people that are primed to gain muscle, so protocols are going to be wildly different, and then on top of that, everyone is different as well.
If they made an effort to recruit really skinny small guys and really large guys naturally and then train them and record results, they'd be much better, but it seems they just get guys that are likely already interested in lifting and probably played sports in highschool and are likely on the better side of genetics and make sweeping statements about studies on these guys.
Have you ever seen people who go run almost every day and they look like shit, and they wouldn't last a minute at a considerably higher pace? Well, that's low intensity training for you. Same shit with weights or whatever else. Any good workout gets you near exhaustion. If you don't feel like you're straining your body, you're doing shit. That's why there are so many people who have been "lifting" for years at a time and still look DYEL.
>Any good workout gets you near exhaustion. If you don't feel like you're straining your body, you're doing shit.
what you've just said is laughably wrong. the huge majority of literally every single professional runner's weekly volume is made up of easy runs, with only 20% of their runs being tempo or threshold runs above an easy effort.
This guy used to promote "rep tests" to find "what your muscle fiber type is" for each muscle and it was shit like 5 vs 10 reps. There's no difference, slow twitch is hundreds of "reps." This guy is only a doctor of nutrition he's not some authority.
Volumetards actually believe their warmups induce hypertrophy. So if they just did 15 sets of 20% of their max they think they'll get big that way. That's what they argue, they can't dispute it.
growth happens when the muscle is sufficiently fatigued. This doesn't matter if it's on rep 1 or rep 1,000,000. As long as a muscle is fatigued, it will grow.
The benefit of volume is the creation of myonuclei and other satellite cells that provide the scaffolding for new tissue to develop. As you get into a higher volume set, your muscle's demand for blood exceeds your heart's output, leading to pseudo bloodflow restriction training. This is of course if you have the willpower to withstand the massive amount of pain and burning that's happening in the muscle, which a lot of lifters don't have, which is why a lot people just do low rep training, which is far easier and less painful.
>took the bait
he’s right in that high volume is shit for hypertrophy but of course he has to say 20%1rm; nobody is unironically promoting that
it’s pretty well established by now that 8-12 reps to fatigue generally favors hypertrophy and 6 and less to fatigue favors building more strength
>it’s pretty well established by now that 8-12 reps to fatigue generally favors hypertrophy and 6 and less to fatigue favors building more strength
And 7 does nothing while >12 is cardio, right? I thought this strength vs hypertrophy debate was settled as them both being the same i.e. strength = hypertrophy.
growth happens when the muscle is sufficiently fatigued. This doesn't matter if it's on rep 1 or rep 1,000,000. As long as a muscle is fatigued, it will grow.
The benefit of volume is the creation of myonuclei and other satellite cells that provide the scaffolding for new tissue to develop. As you get into a higher volume set, your muscle's demand for blood exceeds your heart's output, leading to pseudo bloodflow restriction training. This is of course if you have the willpower to withstand the massive amount of pain and burning that's happening in the muscle, which a lot of lifters don't have, which is why a lot people just do low rep training, which is far easier and less painful.
Would you get these supposed nucleation benefits from doing rest-pause sets? Say an initial set to failure of 5 reps followed by 5 single reps with 10 second rests in between?
Did anyone actually watch the video? >says HIT has positives >says that it can have great results, but not all muscle groups are best suited for it >basically a balanced and reasonable take
>Endurance athletes train in high rep range and usually have jacked athletic bodies.
What endurance athletes? Like distance runners and cyclists? They're usually twigs.
Why is every youtube shill so scared of HIT? Is it because if people started doing it and getting results they'd be out of grift work and coaching bullshit?
Because they've already progressed all the way. All they have to do is maintain it, work on their homosexual smiles, and see which combination of drugs gives them the least amount of bloat.
why don't you post body if it works so well? i know you won't becuase hit only works if you're on roids ie metzner and yates but even they got big on volume
I used to post body. I got accused of roiding, not lifting, being small, or being fat. Just the whole range of opinions from dyel to fraud. I could post it but you'll see what you want to see regardless.
>give most scientifically accurate critics on Mike Mentzer's HIT program
ChatGPT:
While I can provide some criticism on Mike Mentzer's High-Intensity Training (HIT) program, it's important to note that scientific research on the effectiveness of HIT is limited. Nevertheless, here are a few points to consider:
1. Limited research: One criticism of the HIT program is the lack of extensive scientific research supporting its effectiveness. The majority of studies on HIT have been small-scale and have not provided conclusive evidence for its superiority over other training methods.
2. Overemphasis on intensity: HIT places significant emphasis on training to failure or near-failure, which can be mentally and physically demanding for some individuals. This high-intensity approach may increase the risk of injury and overtraining, particularly for beginners or those with certain health conditions.
3. Individual variability: HIT programs often prescribe a low volume of training with fewer sets and exercises compared to traditional training methods. However, research suggests that individual responses to training programs can vary greatly. Some people may respond better to higher volume training, while others may benefit from lower volume approaches.
4. Neglected muscle groups: HIT programs commonly focus on compound exercises but may neglect specific muscle groups. This can result in muscle imbalances and potential issues in terms of aesthetics or sport-specific performance.
5. Adaptation plateaus: It is well-established in exercise science that the body can adapt to training stimuli over time. Critics argue that the HIT program may not provide enough variety or progression to continuously challenge the body's adaptations, potentially leading to stagnation in progress.
Is there seriously anybody who actually thinks HIT is the best way to train? Or even a good way for that matter.
Mentzer was either a moron or a grifter. He used the Colorado experiment as evidence of HIT being extremely effective, and that leaves only two options.
He was a literal moron who took the results at face value and actually believed that the guy was 2% bodyfat.
Or that he knew it was bullshit, but pushed it anyway to promote his ideology.
Nobody does Mentzer style HIT anymore so I think that is proof enough
american_untermensch makes hundreds of posts on IST per week
he likes hit so i don't know what you watched
You seriously think that you know what is the unanimously best way to train?
lol, lmao even
please dont tell me its 6day soience based PPL routine
Yes.
You should be doing full-body 4-6 times per week hitting every muscle between 2-4x per week, the exact frequency determined intuitively by what's fresh and what's not.
Traps grow like weeds and recover almost by the next day. Chest takes a beating and needs a few days off. Lat raises can be spammed, lower back volume needs to be treated with care.
Mentzer just got a little crazy later in his career. He actually built his muscle with high volume training, and just maintained it with low volume training which isn't too surprising.
He built is muscle with steroids
>Is there seriously anybody who actually thinks HIT is the best way to train?
Seethe gymcel
All your post is nonsense unrelated to training. You sound like a fricking nerd who has never lifted weights in your life.
I tried HIT and it works for me and that’s all that matters. Unless you try it and have an opinion based on that your opinion is worthless
im gonna be captain buzzkill
mentzer and sulekposting are ironic
Plenty of people switching to HIT and say they feel and do better on it. If you think Colorado experiment is the only thing to rely on you're moronic.
Inb4 post body
>>/hm/
I'm pretty certain at least 90% of it is a meme
Natty bodybuilding is a waste of time. That's why training for strength makes more sense when you're natural. And bodybuilding makes more sense if you're on roids due to injury risks.
strength training leads to higher injury risk and larger muscles lead to more raw strength.
BB is bodybuilder, WL is weightlifter or strength trainer.
Strength training is a waste of time for anyone but those who have to make weight like for fights or special lifting competitions.
you have to source the study and show what these abbreviations mean. strength training is not the sport of weight lifting as this table implies. But this is all irrelevant. Being natural you'd always look small and unimpressive unless you're willing to get fat
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7582410/
I see. I won't be reading it as it seems it doesn't actually pertain to the discussion. The injury incidence was never a point. The point is that natural bodybuilding is a waste of time because you'll always be small and unesthetic. That's why training for strength makes more sense for a natural
i disagree.
>strength training is not the sport of weight lifting as this table implies.
This statement alone shows that you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. You really don't. The strength trainer focuses on moving the weight, the bodybuilder focuses on squeezing the muscle and range of motion etc.
You saying that just shows how much of a novice you are at lifting.
>The strength trainer focuses on moving the weight, the bodybuilder focuses on squeezing the muscle and range of motion etc.
Actually a more accurate way to put it is.
Strength trainer focuses on how much weight they can move.
Bodybuilder focuses on getting big muscles in specific proportion.
and hit gays bon't lift but post about how they are so big while never proving it
Frick then HIT must actually be good if Mike hates on it.
I fricking hate Mentzer though
Dude just hates on everything everyone is doing.
HIT shills simply follow what the algorithm is pushing on youtube shorts/tiktok/instagram reels
most of you have never even heard of mentzer or HIT until a few months ago
Imagine this homosexual thinking he can criticize Dorian Yates about anything
I know right
Bullshit aside though, i believe HIT is good to have just not how everyone perceives it. I use HIT as a final set along with my regular resistance and volume training. For me its just something to do to build more time under tension and gain quality strength to put another plate or two on the bar eventually.
Thats how i see HIT
Criticize if you want but thats my opinion on it.
This is pretty much what I do. Arnold-style volume training building up to one balls to the wall high-intensity set on each exercise. Nothing has gotten me better results.
>Thats how i see HIT
The three principles of HIT are:
Intense
Brief
Infrequent
he's likely more qualified to comment than you or other anons
see: Eric Helms, Brad Schoenfeld, Greg Nuckols, Menno Henselmens
size isn't a qualification
in the video he said he did HIT for a number of years during highschool/early training
>Brad Schoenfeld
another fraud. watch the video of brad working out with john meadows to see the pathetic effort he considers "failure". it's literally a warmup set and he taps out as failure.
no wonder his research has supported high weekly volumes of 30+ sets per muscle when that is his metric for failure.
>he's likely more qualified to comment than you or other anons
why? his results are completely divorced from reality. he has not made any progress in 3 years on his physique as a bodybuilder. if his evidence based methods were so superior then why are they not producing anything noteworthy.
inb4 "well he doesn't take bodybuilding seriously"
yeah bro, he's just blasting those high doses of roids for the wellness benefits of high blood pressure and cholesterol.
>another fraud. watch the video of brad working out with john meadows to see the pathetic effort he considers "failure"
I don't really care if he jerks off into his own face and calls it training
his physical appearance does not undermine his research in the field
being big isn't a qualification
>why? his results are completely divorced from reality
because he has shit insertions, he's short, and if he wants to look bigger he needs more gear
I'm sure he's also well aware of all the other roidtrannies dying and has openly stated he's looking forward to going off cycle one day
not sure why your whole post is so angry
spend some time outside today
>his physical appearance does not undermine his research in the field
where in my post do you see me mentioning his physical appearance, you illiterate moron.
watch the video to see what he considers failure. he could have easily gotten 4+ reps more but says he's at failure.
>hurr why is this important
because if he can't accurately gauge failure, then his research into effective volumes is going to be unreliable and inflated
>where in my post do you see me mentioning his physical appearance, you illiterate moron.
I already addressed this, see:
>I don't really care if he jerks off into his own face and calls it training
I'll rephrase my statement so you can understand better
>his training does not undermine his research in the field
>because if he can't accurately gauge failure, then his research into effective volumes is going to be unreliable and inflated
we already know that RIR estimation by both trained and untrained individuals is relatively accurate for the sake of studies
>his training does not undermine his research in the field
Yes it does. If he doesn't know what failure is then how can you trust him to conduct a study on it?
his entire body of work isn't "how close can this trained/undertrained lifter estimate their proximity to failure"
also, you're not him, so using one video as your source of "hurr he trains everything 5RIR+ LOL NOOB" is flawed
there could be a million reasons - maybe it was a deload, maybe he didn't want to bust his balls on some youtube video, maybe it interferred with his training - I don't know and neither do you
also with the power of google, I have learned that he is somewhat qualified to talk on this topic
>About the author (2021) Brad Schoenfeld, PhD, CSCS,*D, CSPS,*D, NSCA-CPT,*D, FNSCA, is internationally regarded as one of the foremost authorities on muscle hypertrophy. The 2011 National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA) Personal Trainer of the Year, Schoenfeld is a lifetime drug-free bodybuilder who has won multiple natural bodybuilding titles.
anyway, since we've argued substantially over this c**t, did you want to argue about the other people in my post as well? I've got time to waste
I'll give you some extra time and you can post your qualifications on what makes you an expert in this field
>also, you're not him, so using one video as your source of "hurr he trains everything 5RIR+ LOL NOOB" is flawed
there could be a million reasons - maybe it was a deload, maybe he didn't want to bust his balls on some youtube video, maybe it interferred with his training - I don't know and neither do you
Actually in the video he says it's a failure set, but thank you for showing me and everybody else in this thread that either you haven't even seen the video, or you're misremembering due to your biases.
>Actually in the video he says it's a failure set, but thank you for showing me and everybody else in this thread that either you haven't even seen the video, or you're misremembering due to your biases.
didn't watch, didn't care
would you care to address the actual point, rather than if I watched a youtube video of someone working out?
is brad schoenfeld recognised and qualified in the hypertrophy research field or not?
>And Dorian Yates is more qualified than him lmao
I tried finding any papers published, certifications, qualifications or anything for him
care to share them?
big =/= qualified
So you admit to arguing about a video you didn't even bother to watch. Not only that but you spoke about it as if you'd seen it.
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To anybody reading this, go to 1:34 in the above video to see Brad's clearly defined 'failure set', with absolutely garbage intensity. This guy's trying to claim Brad had some reason for this when John Meadows is clearly saying 'failure set'... Failure set'. He'll google Brad's education credentials but won't check a youtube video for twenty seconds.
>To anybody reading this
>This guy's trying to claim Brad had some reason for this when John Meadows is clearly saying 'failure set'... Failure set'. He'll google Brad's education credentials but won't check a youtube video for twenty seconds.
where do you think you are? writing some weird pseudo-manifesto
>HELLO ANYONE OUT THERE I'M BEING BULLIED, CALL IN SUPPORT
maybe they should revoke all of his qualifications and asterisk his research papers due to him lying about this one failure set on a youtube video
Pay attention to this, people, he was trying to be an intellectual before but then he got exposed for not watching the material that he was talking about so now his posts have a memeing quality as if he's been not taking things seriously the entire time. Brother you were serious as a heart attack in a nursing home when you were copy-pasting Brad Schoenfelds credentials earlier, what changed? Could it be making shit up about a video you never even saw?
>the guy who supposed cares about science and evidence based practices can't even bother to watch a video before constructing his arguments against it
many such cases
>his physical appearance does not undermine his research in the field
It's literally BODYBUILDING, it's all about how you LOOK. Why the frick am I going to listen to some moron that looks like a HUMAN SIZED TUMOR saying FANCY WORDS when I can just listen to someone that ACTUALLY looks GOOD?
If you can't even make yourself look GOOD with all your moronic """"RESEARCH"""", then what's the fricking point?
nta and ive never heard of brad schoenfeld. just wanted to say john meadows is a king, its unfortunate he gets forgotten by so many. he was a god of intensity and such a nice, intelligent dude. RIP mountain dog
i miss him alot too. i was actually so sad when he died because it was obvious that he was kind hearted and had no malice toward anyone.
im still subbed and his family keeps uploading more content and every time i see it in my feed I get upset
poor guy had a kid as well who was devastated
>watch the video of brad working out with john meadows to see the pathetic effort he considers "failure"
I smell a fellow lyle mcdonald enjoyer
Must be the smell of raw testosterone
>he's likely more qualified to comment than you or other anons
And Dorian Yates is more qualified than him lmao
>more qualified
He looks like dogshit and doesn't even know what he's talking about.
He legit looks like a lvl 90 Jason Genova.
Compare him to Mentzer or Yates who looked like made out of marble and clearly knew what they were doing.
You think Yates would've accomplished anything if he had israelitetel's genetics? Bodybuilding is 99% talent 1% willingness to take copious amounts of gear.
Bro looks like he's about to sell me some potions and give me a set of fine-crafted armor and join my party to hit on elven girls with wienerney jokes
We all know why ~~*Mike Isreatal*~~ criticised Dorian Yates. Just ask ~~*Dave Palumbo*~~.
kek is this the picture that was the inspiration for than one Captain America comic book cover?
there it is
Haha, that interview Dorian did with palumbo was epic. Wooden doors ftw
I like jordan peters and dorian yates training style, but late stage menzterism bro just do one set once every 2 weeks is obviously moronic.
I still do not understand why the majority of people here think lifting 6 days a week is a good idea.
Honestly its because boredom sets in and you begin to feel unaccomplished throughout the day if you dont do anything.
I mean if thats your mindset of doing bare minimum then your just a fricking little b***h in my book
its funny that he says right at the beginning that Mentzer "was a good bodybuilder.. not the best" when he's not a very good bodybuilder either
this is the most annoying part of Isreal, he constantly frames things as if his way is the objective and only right way, when it's pretty clear it's not producing results (for example look at some of his stage shots).
results are what matters, and its pretty clear what approaches are consistently putting people on stage and improving them year after year
i'm not even a hitgay im just tired of isreal and his smug attitude
Isratel CAN'T become a goody bodbuilder he simply lacks everything needed for a winner physique
that might be true but it's not an excuse to show up completely deconditioned. he is obviously not stage ready in that photo and it's insulting he even got on stage in that condition, he looks terrible (by bodybuilding standards)
buck breaking
>roiding for that
>it's pretty clear it's not producing results (for example look at some of his stage shots).
Genetics are a thing.
>and its pretty clear what approaches are consistently putting people on stage and improving them year after year
Yup pretty much
That’s not from the show he did a couple weeks ago, is it? I follow him on ig, he looked better than this, but the truth is his genetics suck, and you’d think a guy bright enough to get a PhD would realize the cost/benefit ratio on his health. Plus, he already looks like he’s in his 50’s and he just turned 39 wtf
His genetics just aren't that good for bodybuilding and genes matter alot.
Israetel completely misses a crucial part of hit, which is: as you get bigger and stronger, the stress you inflict on your body goes up, therefore the amount of rest you need increases.
Israetel mentions multiple times that the "maximum recoverable volume" is different for each person and some people can afford to train more than others. This is true, but additionally the maximum recoverable volume changes for each individual as they progress. All those "scientific studies" that prove higher volume/frequency is better are done on beginners and intermediates. Failing to grasp the above relationship, they find what's best for the study participants only at that specific moment in time.
>the maximum recoverable volume changes for each individual as they progress
>Failing to grasp the above relationship, they find what's best for the study participants only at that specific moment in time.
Here he talks about the above so he clearly does not fail to grasp this above relationship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSehq8HxHdg&t=709s
so he just ignores it and continues to sell bullshit to dweebs lol
No he specifically talks about that in the video.
All he says is ur small so train more and stay small pls. Check this out. Lol
The psychological projection in this post is funny
>so he just ignores it and continues to sell bullshit to dweebs lol
Turns in to this and reveals that you just confessed to what you are doing
>so I just ignores it[the video, what he says] and continues to post bullshit to anons lol
What are you even trying to say? The guy prescribes a minimum volume, acknowledges that volume needs go way the hell down when you get strong, and then continues to tell people to get more volume.
just lol
RP specifically calls this out in every hypertrophy segment. Big, strong, highly trained? You might only need 1.5x chest sessions a week (1 heavy, 1 active recovery). Small and weak? You can probably bench 3x per week.
Mentzer is an Ayn Rand loving moron who concludes that everyone just needs 1x set to failure for no reason whatsoever.
>Mentzer is an Ayn Rand loving
israelite isreal is even more of an ayn rand loving moron. he literally has ayn rand tattoos.
both metzner and isreatel are israelite homosexuals metzner even admitted to fricking dudes and taking dick no wonder zoomers on tik tok like him kek
>metzner even admitted to fricking dudes and taking dick
Source?
My soon to be released gymbro erotic novel
Damn drop a link when you do release it
you'll get a source when a metner gay posts an aesthetic/nondyel body kek
Not a mentzercuck, legit curious
lets listen to a roider that is surrounded by roiders that reads research done on college age males in their prime that are most of the time novice lifters and the study length is 8-12 weeks and base an entire 50-60 year lifting career off of that.
this
friendly reminder that israelite israetel was a fat and out of shape powerlifter before he hopped on gear and then completely plateau'd with a trash physique.
he's actively competing and his physique looks the exact same as it did 3 years ago. his advice doesn't even work for himself.
remember to buy the """"RP hypertrophy app"""" though goy
kek he actually sounded like he likes hit
i was making more of a general statement about him. Exercise science isn't a very objective science since all the research is done on people that are primed to gain muscle, so protocols are going to be wildly different, and then on top of that, everyone is different as well.
If they made an effort to recruit really skinny small guys and really large guys naturally and then train them and record results, they'd be much better, but it seems they just get guys that are likely already interested in lifting and probably played sports in highschool and are likely on the better side of genetics and make sweeping statements about studies on these guys.
Have you ever seen people who go run almost every day and they look like shit, and they wouldn't last a minute at a considerably higher pace? Well, that's low intensity training for you. Same shit with weights or whatever else. Any good workout gets you near exhaustion. If you don't feel like you're straining your body, you're doing shit. That's why there are so many people who have been "lifting" for years at a time and still look DYEL.
why do metzBlack folk almost never post body and when they do its some dyel with 14 inch arms or a fat brown person?
>metzBlack folk
I literally don't know who that moron is. I'm just going by personal experience.
Here. Now frick off.
>Any good workout gets you near exhaustion. If you don't feel like you're straining your body, you're doing shit.
what you've just said is laughably wrong. the huge majority of literally every single professional runner's weekly volume is made up of easy runs, with only 20% of their runs being tempo or threshold runs above an easy effort.
This guy used to promote "rep tests" to find "what your muscle fiber type is" for each muscle and it was shit like 5 vs 10 reps. There's no difference, slow twitch is hundreds of "reps." This guy is only a doctor of nutrition he's not some authority.
PhD in exercise physiology actually
Volumetards actually believe their warmups induce hypertrophy. So if they just did 15 sets of 20% of their max they think they'll get big that way. That's what they argue, they can't dispute it.
growth happens when the muscle is sufficiently fatigued. This doesn't matter if it's on rep 1 or rep 1,000,000. As long as a muscle is fatigued, it will grow.
The benefit of volume is the creation of myonuclei and other satellite cells that provide the scaffolding for new tissue to develop. As you get into a higher volume set, your muscle's demand for blood exceeds your heart's output, leading to pseudo bloodflow restriction training. This is of course if you have the willpower to withstand the massive amount of pain and burning that's happening in the muscle, which a lot of lifters don't have, which is why a lot people just do low rep training, which is far easier and less painful.
>took the bait
he’s right in that high volume is shit for hypertrophy but of course he has to say 20%1rm; nobody is unironically promoting that
it’s pretty well established by now that 8-12 reps to fatigue generally favors hypertrophy and 6 and less to fatigue favors building more strength
>it’s pretty well established by now that 8-12 reps to fatigue generally favors hypertrophy and 6 and less to fatigue favors building more strength
And 7 does nothing while >12 is cardio, right? I thought this strength vs hypertrophy debate was settled as them both being the same i.e. strength = hypertrophy.
Would you get these supposed nucleation benefits from doing rest-pause sets? Say an initial set to failure of 5 reps followed by 5 single reps with 10 second rests in between?
needs to be at least 5-30 rep range and some relative intensity (0-3 RIR)
if you did a hard enough warmup, sure, but then it's also not a warmup
anybody who counts how much they lift is an effemininate nerd and thats why girls and cute guys aren't impressed with bodybuilders
just excercise until your tired you dorks
Oh look its the israelite who acts like a know it all despite looking like a bag of dogshit every single time he competes.
midwit fraud, fike israelite israel
Did anyone actually watch the video?
>says HIT has positives
>says that it can have great results, but not all muscle groups are best suited for it
>basically a balanced and reasonable take
thats how you know hit is trash and all the people advocating for it are dyels kek
>That hairline
>That fat head
Anyone have the Norwooding flow chart of who to listen to?
HIT is good with bodyweight, 3-8 rep scheme seems to be best for muscle and strength building.
Endurance athletes train in high rep range and usually have jacked athletic bodies.
>Endurance athletes train in high rep range and usually have jacked athletic bodies.
What endurance athletes? Like distance runners and cyclists? They're usually twigs.
I think he's talking about crossfit and he doesn't know that they're all roiding for this.
Why is every youtube shill so scared of HIT? Is it because if people started doing it and getting results they'd be out of grift work and coaching bullshit?
If it's so good, why don't any of the current top tier professional body builders do it?
Because they've already progressed all the way. All they have to do is maintain it, work on their homosexual smiles, and see which combination of drugs gives them the least amount of bloat.
why don't you post body if it works so well? i know you won't becuase hit only works if you're on roids ie metzner and yates but even they got big on volume
I used to post body. I got accused of roiding, not lifting, being small, or being fat. Just the whole range of opinions from dyel to fraud. I could post it but you'll see what you want to see regardless.
post it then
Not that anon, but what do you think of my physique? 🙂
I wanted to not like this guy for obvious reasons but he’s actually kind of funny and occasionally makes decent points, as is the case here
Let me check
>bald
Yep, opinion discarded
if IST is malding at dr mike he must be a good source. thanks morons for making it easy
>give most scientifically accurate critics on Mike Mentzer's HIT program
ChatGPT:
While I can provide some criticism on Mike Mentzer's High-Intensity Training (HIT) program, it's important to note that scientific research on the effectiveness of HIT is limited. Nevertheless, here are a few points to consider:
1. Limited research: One criticism of the HIT program is the lack of extensive scientific research supporting its effectiveness. The majority of studies on HIT have been small-scale and have not provided conclusive evidence for its superiority over other training methods.
2. Overemphasis on intensity: HIT places significant emphasis on training to failure or near-failure, which can be mentally and physically demanding for some individuals. This high-intensity approach may increase the risk of injury and overtraining, particularly for beginners or those with certain health conditions.
3. Individual variability: HIT programs often prescribe a low volume of training with fewer sets and exercises compared to traditional training methods. However, research suggests that individual responses to training programs can vary greatly. Some people may respond better to higher volume training, while others may benefit from lower volume approaches.
4. Neglected muscle groups: HIT programs commonly focus on compound exercises but may neglect specific muscle groups. This can result in muscle imbalances and potential issues in terms of aesthetics or sport-specific performance.
5. Adaptation plateaus: It is well-established in exercise science that the body can adapt to training stimuli over time. Critics argue that the HIT program may not provide enough variety or progression to continuously challenge the body's adaptations, potentially leading to stagnation in progress.
I HATE muh science homosexuals so much its unreal